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(NBC Chicago)   Chicago's teacher strike ends; classes resume Wednesday   (nbcchicago.com) divider line 143
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2012-09-18 08:48:17 PM
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2012-09-18 08:48:32 PM
I'm sure it's for the best.
 
2012-09-18 08:49:54 PM
Thank dog, now I don't have to hear about it anymore.
 
2012-09-18 08:50:07 PM
Xlation. Teachers unions in Illinois are non accountable dickbags. Because accountability is racist.
 
2012-09-18 08:50:18 PM
So is it the same contract they turned down a week ago minus some donations to the union bosses?
 
2012-09-18 08:51:48 PM
1. Who gives a fark? Fark isn't some borough in Chicago
2. No snark in headline makes me a bit sad
 
2012-09-18 08:53:18 PM

cman: 1. Who gives a fark? Fark isn't some borough in Chicago
2. No snark in headline makes me a bit sad


This. I posted all I cared to contribute to the thread.
 
2012-09-18 08:53:45 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Xlation. Teachers unions in Illinois are non accountable dickbags. Because accountability is racist.


Yes. Let's not forget the REAL victims.
 
2012-09-18 08:53:48 PM

cman: 1. Who gives a fark? Fark isn't some borough in Chicago
2. No snark in headline makes me a bit sad


Chicago doesn't have boroughs.
 
2012-09-18 08:53:53 PM

TheGreatGazoo: So is it the same contract they turned down a week ago minus some donations to the union bosses?


They're getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years and a rehire pool for laid off teachers. In exchange, they're now going to be evaluated based on the performance of their students on standardized tests.
 
2012-09-18 08:54:45 PM

Ikam: cman: 1. Who gives a fark? Fark isn't some borough in Chicago
2. No snark in headline makes me a bit sad

Chicago doesn't have boroughs.


That is besides the point
 
2012-09-18 08:54:52 PM
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2012-09-18 08:55:11 PM
Now get to work on the farking NFL referees.
 
2012-09-18 08:55:52 PM
Now if we could just end that other strike...

www.cbc.ca
 
2012-09-18 08:56:30 PM
Supposedly, they have a law in this state that states that, in towns with over 0.5 x 10^6 population or greater, teachers can only sue over compensation and job conditions.

//Yup,
//Chicago only.
 
2012-09-18 09:00:17 PM
sue strike
 
2012-09-18 09:06:31 PM
Glorious socialist paradise. All is good here. Look over there! Mittens misquoted the Annoited one!

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2012-09-18 09:06:45 PM
My parents were teachers, which is why I'd never put up with the shiat they had to. Being a telemarketer seems to mean dealing with assholes less than dealing with parents.
 
2012-09-18 09:12:50 PM
Dammit!!!
 
2012-09-18 09:17:37 PM
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2012-09-18 09:17:38 PM
:(

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2012-09-18 09:18:03 PM
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2012-09-18 09:22:28 PM
woody.typepad.com
 
2012-09-18 09:26:43 PM

Kenny B: [i306.photobucket.com image 430x519]


Silly Jesus: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 504x353]


smitty04: [encrypted-tbn0.google.com image 241x209]


Wow. All of you, what color is the sky in your bubble in your world?
 
2012-09-18 09:26:54 PM
Such a good job the wealthy have done pitting the middle class against itself.

/class civil war?
 
2012-09-18 09:28:17 PM
Since every post here seems to be from once side, anyone wanna link to a balanced article on the impasse?
 
2012-09-18 09:29:01 PM
Newsflash: If you're in a job that a million other people can do and you can be replaced virtually overnight, then you're not going to be that successful when you ask for a big raise.
 
2012-09-18 09:29:53 PM

howdoibegin: Since every post here seems to be from once side, anyone wanna link to a balanced article on the impasse?


Popcorn Johnny: They're getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years and a rehire pool for laid off teachers. In exchange, they're now going to be evaluated based on the performance of their students on standardized tests.

 
2012-09-18 09:32:00 PM
www.survivinggrady.com
Awesome, totally awesome.
 
2012-09-18 09:33:17 PM

CavalierEternal: Now if we could just end that other strike...

[www.cbc.ca image 620x349]


Guess who doesn't know the difference between a strike and a lockout.
 
2012-09-18 09:37:08 PM
In one sentence, we get this from school board president David Vitale:

"This will transform the way we run the district to the benefit of teachers, not just to our kids."

the next sentence, we get this from Mayor Rahm Emanuel:

' It means returning Chicago's schools to their primary purpose: educating children.'

And to insult everyone's intelligence, the next sentence he says this:

"It means a new day and a new direction for the Chicago Public Schools, and [with] this contract we gave our children a seat at the table,"
 
2012-09-18 09:37:52 PM

smitty04: encrypted-tbn0.google.com


So standing up for yourself to your employer is bad?
 
2012-09-18 09:39:46 PM
I'm amazed the strike lasted as long as it did. If I had to negotiate with Jabba the Hutt, I'd cave almost immediately to union demands.
 
2012-09-18 09:40:50 PM

Silly Jesus: [woody.typepad.com image 560x560]


Oh, the lie is up to $76k a year now? It's $67k, according to 2011 salary figures, and before getting all huffy about a 16% increase, it's over 4 years, which cumulatively is about 3.5% per year, making it not much more than a COLA.
 
2012-09-18 09:42:04 PM

GoldSpider: CavalierEternal: Now if we could just end that other strike...

[www.cbc.ca image 620x349]

Guess who doesn't know the difference between a strike and a lockout.


they don't have a contract because they not only want a raise, they want a huge one.
there are 119 referees. they make on average $32k a month for 4 months for part time unusually weekend work.
they are also demanding a 5-11% raise (depending on seniority) each for each over the next 5 years.
the NFL isn't locking them out, they just aren't interested in giving an equity stake to a handful of part time workers. this is a strike.
 
2012-09-18 09:44:00 PM

relcec: GoldSpider: CavalierEternal: Now if we could just end that other strike...

[www.cbc.ca image 620x349]

Guess who doesn't know the difference between a strike and a lockout.

they don't have a contract because they not only want a raise, they want a huge one.
there are 119 referees. they make on average $32k a month for 4 months for part time unusually weekend work.
they are also demanding a 5-11% raise (depending on seniority) each for each over the next 5 years.
the NFL isn't locking them out, they just aren't interested in giving an equity stake to a handful of part time workers. this is a strike.


And after the massive sh*t show the replacement refs put on across the league this weekend and on national television last night, they've got all of the leverage they need to get those demands met.
 
2012-09-18 09:44:01 PM

mutterfark: Such a good job the wealthy have done pitting the middle class against itself.

/class civil war?


They really have done a great job. We could raise taxes on the wealthy to pay teachers more (maybe even attracting better ones due to the higher pay), bit that would be class warfare, apparently. Apparently the top 1% needs an even greater share of wealth and income.
 
2012-09-18 09:44:39 PM

ImpendingCynic: Silly Jesus: [woody.typepad.com image 560x560]

Oh, the lie is up to $76k a year now? It's $67k, according to 2011 salary figures, and before getting all huffy about a 16% increase, it's over 4 years, which cumulatively is about 3.5% per year, making it not much more than a COLA.


FOR THE CHILDREN
 
2012-09-18 09:44:42 PM

Popcorn Johnny: They're getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years and a rehire pool for laid off teachers. In exchange, they're now going to be evaluated based on the performance of their students on standardized tests.


If they know they are getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years, what is the point of evaluating their performance? I read the "Summary Term Sheet" in TFA, and bullet item 3 says "No Merit Pay."

I am all for teachers making more money. In fact, when people point out the "average salary" I generally think it should be higher. The problem I have is that basic economics teaches us that if you completely divorce reward from performance, performance will decrease.
 
2012-09-18 09:46:47 PM

FarkLiter: If they know they are getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years, what is the point of evaluating their performance?


People who are guaranteed raises can still be terminated for bad performance.
 
2012-09-18 09:47:10 PM

FarkLiter: Popcorn Johnny: They're getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years and a rehire pool for laid off teachers. In exchange, they're now going to be evaluated based on the performance of their students on standardized tests.

If they know they are getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years, what is the point of evaluating their performance? I read the "Summary Term Sheet" in TFA, and bullet item 3 says "No Merit Pay."

I am all for teachers making more money. In fact, when people point out the "average salary" I generally think it should be higher. The problem I have is that basic economics teaches us that if you completely divorce reward from performance, performance will decrease.


True, but the metrics for performance as dictated by NCLB are vague and ridiculous. I seem recall reading or hearing somewhere that recently states have found that they can opt out of NCLB.

I'm all for national education standards, but NCLB isn't it. Worthless standardised tests, punitive school closings, and catering to the lowest common denominator are certainly not helping.
 
2012-09-18 09:47:28 PM

cman: Ikam: cman: 1. Who gives a fark? Fark isn't some borough in Chicago
2. No snark in headline makes me a bit sad

Chicago doesn't have boroughs.

That is besides the point


The fact that you call it a borough by default tells me that you are probably from the North East. When the endless NYC threads come pouring in we don't start complaining, "Who gives a fark? Fark isn't some neighborhood in New York".

Let us have this one.

/ I don't give a fark about your borough, district, parish, quarter, district, precinct, ward, or diocese
// I will concede that deep dish is not actually pizza
/// New York pizza is shiatty pizza
//// Casserole
 
2012-09-18 09:54:09 PM

pxlboy: I'm all for national education standards, but NCLB isn't it. Worthless standardised tests, punitive school closings, and catering to the lowest common denominator are certainly not helping.


No argument here. I also am amazed that teachers performances are done based on standardized tests that are not administered every year. (At least, they weren't when I was in school, not that long ago.. maybe they have started now.) When I was in school, I was tested early.. 1st or second grade. I was tested again in 5th grade, before I went to middle school. If I tested badly, was it my 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th grade teachers fault?

I know that our current system of testing is flawed and needs to be changed. Giving up and just giving everyone the same salary, though, based on nothing but showing up to work every day and not failing in some very public and embarrassing way is no better.
 
2012-09-18 09:55:02 PM

CavalierEternal: Now if we could just end that other strike...

[www.cbc.ca image 620x349]


Lockout, not a strike.
 
2012-09-18 09:55:04 PM
A Midwest city ends it's teacher strike and it's considered national news? lol wut
 
2012-09-18 09:55:55 PM
Oh, so now the entire world is going to be doing nothing but educating to the fine, fine, standards of 'not completely mentally retarded and managed not to eat the frog today' aka standardized tests.

While a good idea in concept, they actually mean that teachers do nothing but teach the test material, and test taking strategy, ignoring that pesky 'education' thing almost entirely. While administrators and districts jerrymander and send home and manipulate the system for all its worth to maximize money.

The stupid kids get kicked out, the smart ones get ignored, and the average ones don't learn anything. But damnit, Head master Jimmy farkbag gets his budget money and can buy the school shiatkickers some new jerseys and trillion dollar scoreboards.
 
2012-09-18 09:56:19 PM
I'm glad it's over. Someone's gotta teach those South Side niglets how to prepare for a life of welfare, parole, incarceration, and out-of-wedlock births.  Mugshots! Drugs! Rims!!!
 
2012-09-18 09:56:38 PM

RogermcAllen: cman: Ikam: cman: 1. Who gives a fark? Fark isn't some borough in Chicago
2. No snark in headline makes me a bit sad

Chicago doesn't have boroughs.

That is besides the point

The fact that you call it a borough by default tells me that you are probably from the North East. When the endless NYC threads come pouring in we don't start complaining, "Who gives a fark? Fark isn't some neighborhood in New York".

Let us have this one.

/ I don't give a fark about your borough, district, parish, quarter, district, precinct, ward, or diocese
// I will concede that deep dish is not actually pizza
/// New York pizza is shiatty pizza
//// Casserole


Yes sir. I am a Mainer. Although we do not have boroughs in Maine, our big brother MA has them, and we visit our big brother occasionally.
 
2012-09-18 09:57:04 PM

FarkLiter: Popcorn Johnny: They're getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years and a rehire pool for laid off teachers. In exchange, they're now going to be evaluated based on the performance of their students on standardized tests.

If they know they are getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years, what is the point of evaluating their performance? I read the "Summary Term Sheet" in TFA, and bullet item 3 says "No Merit Pay."

I am all for teachers making more money. In fact, when people point out the "average salary" I generally think it should be higher. The problem I have is that basic economics teaches us that if you completely divorce reward from performance, performance will decrease.


How do wr grade teacher performance? Just standardized tests? What about teachers who deal with at risk or learning disabled students?
 
2012-09-18 09:57:53 PM

Popcorn Johnny: FarkLiter: If they know they are getting a 17.6% raise over the next 4 years, what is the point of evaluating their performance?

People who are guaranteed raises can still be terminated for bad performance.


Yes, but you give them zero incentive to put in any extra effort. If their kids meet minimum standards, or if they all test in the top 1% of the world, the teacher gets the same reward.
 
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