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(LA Times)   One single mother complains, and so the ACLU trolls a Rhode Island school district and wins -- No more father daughter dances for you, you sexist gender discriminating pig   (latimes.com) divider line 63
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2012-09-18 10:04:59 PM
8 votes:

mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.


so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.
2012-09-18 10:09:59 PM
6 votes:

mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.


What does that have to do with anything?

"Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that some families aren't smarter than others, or more talented, or stronger, or more coordinated, so it's time for everyone to start wearing Diana Moon Glampers's mental handicap boxes."

And if a single mother or any mother wanted to dance with her daughter at a father daughter dance, do you think anyone would care?
2012-09-18 10:49:03 PM
5 votes:
... a complaint from a single mom who said her daughter was prevented from attending a father-daughter dance in the Cranston Public Schools district

Prevented = Discrimination

This is why we can't have nice things people. Let a kid from a single-parent family bring somebody else, or go with another family. Let a gay kid have a prom date. Let a farking school assembly go by where you don't have to stick your religious dick in the mashed potatoes.
2012-09-18 10:54:13 PM
4 votes:

Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.


You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.
2012-09-18 10:45:17 PM
4 votes:

Proteios1: The ACLU. Helping sensitive little snowflakes force their wills on everyone else. One lawsuit, one threat at a time. Hmm...what will offend me today...


Yeah, blame the ACLU, not the woman who filed the suit OR the morons running the school who were so inflexible they wouldn't allow her to attend.

One of these days you may need their help. I hope they refuse you.
2012-09-18 10:24:11 PM
4 votes:

gonegirl: Father-daughter dances are a cute idea, and I'm sure the families who participated had fun.

If the school is genuinely unwilling or unable to make occasional exceptions ("Oh, you don't have a dad? No dance for you, you bastard") then they shouldn't keep doing it. If they'd said, "Meh, okay, a few single moms dancing with their daughters won't hurt," then they wouldn't have dug their own grave quite so efficiently.


Or they can bring their grandfather. Or their uncle. Or their moms new boyfriend. Or ANYONE!! I can't see a school not making an exception for girls without a dad.

But this sounds more like a shrew with an absent ex who would rather ruin things for everyone else.
2012-09-18 10:11:58 PM
4 votes:
Typical. Woman can't keep a husband and decides to ruin everyone else's fun. Congratulations.
2012-09-18 11:28:08 PM
3 votes:
Father-daughter ballroom dances and mother-son baseball games? Nobody has a problem with this? Really? Girls aren't allowed to go to the baseball game, and boys aren't allowed to go to the dance? You're all cool with this? OK then.

The ACLU has sued several times...for your right to say "Merry Christmas". They fought in favor of being able to say it, not against. The government shouldn't be in the religion business, whether it's making you say "Merry Christmas" or forbidding you to do so.
2012-09-18 10:30:57 PM
3 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Typical. Woman can't keep a husband and decides to ruin everyone else's fun. Congratulations.


Uuh, no. School banned daughter from participating. School's fault, not mother's. Not to say the ACLU is right though. But it's not wrong either.
2012-09-18 10:23:31 PM
3 votes:

mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.


I'm sure you're trolling, but honestly? Why couldn't they allow the mom to attend the dance with the daughter? Why attack something someone else gets when you can't have it? RGG. Take an uncle to the dance or something. Don't halt a time honored tradition because one single person went boohoo.

PUSSIFICATION

OF

AMERICA.
2012-09-18 10:16:11 PM
3 votes:
Father-daughter dances are a cute idea, and I'm sure the families who participated had fun.

If the school is genuinely unwilling or unable to make occasional exceptions ("Oh, you don't have a dad? No dance for you, you bastard") then they shouldn't keep doing it. If they'd said, "Meh, okay, a few single moms dancing with their daughters won't hurt," then they wouldn't have dug their own grave quite so efficiently.
2012-09-18 10:02:45 PM
3 votes:
Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.
2012-09-18 09:08:43 PM
3 votes:
Let's be clear...this is at a school. Nobody is stopping anybody from holding a private father/daughter anything.

Hell, it's Rhode Island, if your daughter is old enough you can sell her services so long as it's behind closed doors.
2012-09-18 08:59:25 PM
3 votes:
ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.
2012-09-19 11:07:53 AM
2 votes:

cig-mkr: FTA: following a complaint from a single mom
If the woman was divorced, the ex could have taken the child. (if he wasn't in prison)
If she chose to raise the child single, she assumed the role of mother and father.


Well, that's the issue.

She wasn't allowed to assume the role of mother and father. Her child was prohibited from attending the dance.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, the child's father was run over by a bus last year. She has no father by no fault of her own (of course, when is it a child's fault she has no father, unless she personally killed him?). She would be prohibited from going to this dance. Saying "she could go with an uncle" doesn't cut it; he's not her father any more than her mother is.

Also, the ACLU merely sent the school district a letter which pointed out that the exclusion of the child was in violation of state law. The district's attorneys looked at the state law and they were the ones who said "Y'know, they're right. There's a law against this." It's not the ACLU, nor even the mother of the child who was prohibited from going to the dance, but the Rhode Island state law that said this was illegal.

Methinks Subby has something of an agenda here.
2012-09-19 12:27:33 AM
2 votes:

kiwimoogle84: Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.


As a middle-class, heterosexual, white male, this is nonsense. We have the least overt privilege because the policies which used to benefit us directly have been rightfully stripped away to be replaced by laws which seek to curtail discriminatory practices. You would think for all of the subtle privilege we have amassed over a history of discrimination which has placed our families generally in better financial and education positions as well as culturally aligned with the mannerisms of affluence we would be less prone to f*cking whining.

Oh no! A black student gets a scholarship I do not have access to which was devised to increase minority enrollment and graduation rates considering there is no reason for lower educational attainment amongst blacks except for complex, interacting sociohistorical factors. I'll survive because, as Louis C.K. said, "I am not saying white people are better, I am saying being white is clearly better."
2012-09-19 12:14:09 AM
2 votes:

kiwimoogle84: cig-mkr: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.


i.imgur.com

But some of your friends are black, right?

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)

Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.

What can I say? I live on the edge.

There is no hetero parade. There is no white history month. If I wish the wrong person merry Christmas I'll get sued. Yet there's a black history month and gay pride parade.


Yes, because it's well known that in the US, white people are openly discriminated against. In the past, racial segregation was practised. This allowed all the coloured people the prime seats at the back of the bus.

And gays have always had it easy. It's not as if their group has ever been discriminated against by WASPs.

Not saying that's wrong. But we've gone past equality, here.

Well, the reasons for gay pride parades and black history month is that those segments of society were traditionally discriminated against by the straight, white majority. Would you not get a bit of a buzz from being able to, having been denied the right by social mores, display your identity, openly?
2012-09-18 11:01:21 PM
2 votes:
The ACLU: defending our imaginary right to not be offended. Because fark the constitution, that's why.
2012-09-18 10:58:53 PM
2 votes:
Civil rights, they're for everybody or they're for nobody.

/Card carrying member since 1980-something.
2012-09-18 10:57:22 PM
2 votes:
Those things are insanely awkward and awful. I had one at my high school and we all "strongly encouraged" to attend. My dad hated them too. We went twice, stayed twenty minutes or so, ate bad food and left.

This is kind of a relic of the nuclear family where Dad works as the sole breadwinner and doesn't really help co-parent, so you have to create this artificial time together. Good riddance.
2012-09-18 10:20:12 PM
2 votes:

LindenFark: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

This is not hyper PC garbage:

public schools have no business fostering the notion that girls prefer to go to formal dances while boys prefer baseball games.

Do you also think that insisting women be able to drive or have their own checking account is also hyper PC garbage?


Non sequitur. Weak attack, try harder net time. I have no issues with a mother/son dance as well. I even have no problem with this single mom going to the father daughter dance, who the hell is going to tell her no? Our national policy should not e be "I have the right to never be offended no matter how ridiculous my demands are"

This is hyper PC garbage and discredits the aclu
2012-09-18 10:12:57 PM
2 votes:
PLEASE tell me the school is just overreacting and the ACLU just asked that she be allowed to attend with her daughter or something like that.
2012-09-18 10:08:12 PM
2 votes:
People participate in these types of events? I would never have wanted to go to a dance with my parents when I was a kid.
2012-09-18 10:03:17 PM
2 votes:

cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.


They outlawed ladies night here a long time ago.
2012-09-18 06:57:21 PM
2 votes:
No more mother-son dances, either, so some good came of this.
2012-09-19 03:29:25 PM
1 votes:

Brostorm: of course mafiageek1980 thinks not eating meat or diary is normal, I am shocked by that revelation


Like I stated in my post: Just cuz my crazy-peta-hating-Vegan-ass thinks not eating meat/dairy is normal doesn't mean I expect you to think the same. It's nuts but I have to remind people that I am completely COOL if you eat a cheeseburger in front of me. It's your choice, we are all different, let's party-on man!
2012-09-19 02:18:34 PM
1 votes:

marleymaniac: I would LOVE to just live my life, but apparently everything grounded in morality and common sense is frowned upon and taken so god damn personally they feel they have to put an end to such atrocities. Such as Father-Daughter dances. OH GOD THE HORROR. Mother-Son baseball games, FOR SHAME! When the hell are they going to fight the PURE EVIL OF SEGREGATED BATHROOMS! FOR farkS SAKE!..


The issue for me is that they're spending school funds on school activities that not all students can participate in.
2012-09-19 05:07:48 AM
1 votes:
This is outraging my younger brother, who a few years ago was pissed at his employer having a 'bring your daughter to work day' - omitting his son. Why yes, he is a knee-jerk republican, how did you guess?

I'm good with the ACLU's work here, as well as my brother's employer eventually caving in and changing the event to 'bring your children to work day'.
2012-09-19 03:33:13 AM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: Eleri: kiwimoogle84: Farklee: Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.

Hey I'm TF and I'm incredibly anti ACLU.

At some point when the given population of any group HAD to be a certain percentage X and X and Y, jobs and opportunities were being given to people not because they were qualified, but because of the color of their skin. It's white supremacy backwards.

Can't a greeter in Walmart wish someone merry Christmas without that person suing? If someone wished me happy Kwanzaa I wouldn't be aghast and in shock. Jesus Christ.

By ensuring EVERYONE has freedoms, now no one does.

Thanks, ACLU.

I do have a question. From your example it appears your in the same boat as most people who dislike the ACLU. That is, your examples have nothing to do with constitutional rights that the ACLU cares about. Would you care to give some actual examples or merely a coherent explanation behind your posititon? I have you marked as intelligent, so I'm honestly curious.

Here's my belief in a nutshell.

I'm an odd bird politically. I believe and support things all over the map. I am absolutely in favor of equality. Slavery and segregation was bad, as was the KKK. I support gay marriage and rights for everyone.

However.

I think it's gone too far. The right to swing my fist end where the other man's nose begins, right? Why are women allowed a women only gym but men can't have men only gyms without women suing?

I am absolutely all for anyone who is qualified to have what they are entitled to. And they should be able to. But when you take a basic principle like this- a friend of mine was an HR manager. She hires 10 people for a new hire class. If she hired 10 white people because they were the most qualified, she'd get the pants sued off of her. She has to hire at least 3 minorities, even if they don't have the same skills. This isn't ok.

I'm totally fine with all religions having the ability to express the freedom of worship. But I don't think my Jewish neighbor should be able to complain about my Christmas tree when I don't complain about her menorah.

Everyone should be free to do what they want to do without fear of "offending" people. My thing is respect of all people.

I love the movie Crash for this. "So what you're saying is that you're mad because the white waitress didn't pour coffee you didn't order?" "she gave us crappy service because she knows black guys don't tip." "how much did you tip her?" "I wasn't gonna tip for that crappy service!"

What a nightmare.

I'm rambling.

In short, I think people should celebrate their differences and respect everyone else for theirs. Everyone will always be offended by something, so eventually we'll have nothing so no one will be offended.

/end threadjack
//heading to bed, hope that cleared it up a little?
/thanks for the complimentary farkie


Your're welcome, but that really didn't clear it up. I was wonderimg what exactly the ACLU had done to earn your scorn. An explanation of fundamental beliefs is not unwelcome, though.

It's just, your fundamental beliefs seem to be self-contradictory. That isn't unusual, most people worth talking to hvae interesting beliefs, but I would beg fogiveness for a little disection. I would split this up, but I'm too lazy to grab the laptop, so the tablet's full quote will have to do.

I am rather confused by the fact that you believe your neighbor shouldn't be able to complain about your religious display if you don't first complain about his/hers. And yet, your next sentence is that everyone shpuld be able to act without fear of offending someone. I see an inherit contradiction in wanting to stifle complaints, and yet condoning outspoken complaints given without fear of consequences.

I am also confused by your example of men's and women's gyms. There are men only and women only gyms. You can sue either one for not admitting the opposite sex, but the lawsuit would be a losing proposition. I don't see anything wrong with being able to bring suit when you think you've been wronged, but I also don't see anything wrong with the courts kicking the suit to the curb.

Still, what I really want to know is what ecactly has the ACLU done to earn your scorn?
2012-09-19 03:29:41 AM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Aussie_As: As I read the article, and I'm happy to be corrected if this is wrong, I think they just changed the policy to make the whole situation gender-inclusive. Which, as I read your post, you're happy with. So I'm uncertain as to why you've still got concerns. If the dance was shut down, it was only done so in its 'father-daughter' format, not completely.

I could have misunderstood this, so sorry if I'm wrong.

Maybe it is too late for me, but I read the LA Times article, and I am left with no understanding at all as to what they actually did. "Did they say, Parent Kid Dance Monday, everyone welcome?" I don't see that. But maybe I missed it. The only thing that comes close is the language saying the Father daughter dance was banned, with nothing speaking to what it was replaced with or how it was altered.

I think that either:

A) Making it Parent Kid dance, OR
B) Saying tough kids, it's still a Father Daughter dance

are reasonable positions.

I think that cancelling the dance is a win win only for idiot lawyers and people that like to encourage future gender wars.


It's a variant of the full inclusion = total exclusion scenario that we've seen in similar issues: School throws an event that precious snowflake cannot attend (snowflake is in wheelchair, dance is for "father/daughters" and parent has only a mommy/son, etc.). Parent sues, and predictably wins. District responds with equal predictability: We'll just cancel the whole thing! If nobody does anything, nobody can be excluded/offended!

And the Harrison Bergeroning of America goes on...
2012-09-19 01:53:15 AM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked.


You sound ... concerned.
2012-09-19 01:31:00 AM
1 votes:

tjfly: cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.

Yes, this single mom and her daughter are suffering the same indignity as Rosa Parks.

This bs diminishes the ACLU and the TRUE ideology of civil rights.


Umm, if you're referring to the specific incident of not being allowed to sit in the front of the bus because of something you can't help about yourself, then yes this is the same indignity.

Basically you're being told "you can't do X because we arbitrarily don't like Y about you" is pretty clear cut discrimination.

I'm sure the kid in the article doesn't face the same discrimination through her entire life, and of course sustained discrimination is more serious in aggregate, but as an incident in isolation, yes it is very comparable.
2012-09-19 01:20:23 AM
1 votes:
Hey look, it's another thread full of blithering, spittle-flecked ACLU hate. All completely ridiculous and pretty much incorrect in their arguments.
2012-09-19 01:17:07 AM
1 votes:

Some people in this thread really need to read this book ... sheesh ... "white" people are discriminated against ... are you farking serious?? Really, some of you are *REALLY* going to make that argument?


www.brettyasko.com
2012-09-19 01:15:27 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I know this is insane, but how about if you don't have a dad, then you don't get to participate in the father/daughter dance? Just like if you don't make good grades you don't get on the honor roll, or if you aren't athletic you don't get to be quarterback?


There can be excellent reasons to exclude folks from certain roles. It's for the good of the kids working hard on the football team that the most appropriate quarterback is selected (on athletic ability and teamsmanship, hopefully). It's for the good of the school, the state and the nation that kids with intellectual ability are encouraged to work that bit harder to get on the honor roll, as their talents will be put to the best use down the track this way.

Who benefits from kids without dads being excluded from a frigging dance? No one. Just as no one benefits from black kids needing to use a separate water fountain or sit up the back of the bus. Promoting participation is good, even though this sometimes mean some folks miss out. Exclusion for no positive reason is horrible for those involved. It can be a tightrope to make these decisions sometimes (in the case of scholarships for minorities, for example, where some decisions appear to be exclusionary but they are for the overall good of the community), but the school here just farked up.
2012-09-19 12:59:17 AM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: PLEASE tell me the school is just overreacting and the ACLU just asked that she be allowed to attend with her daughter or something like that.


Reading between the lines, what I'm getting is that someone's running for office and looking to run an issue campaign, since that's easier than a normal campaign where you have to have ideas and answer questions and all that boring hard stuff.

/15 years in Rhode Island - when in doubt, assume the worst and you'll usually be right
2012-09-19 12:56:10 AM
1 votes:
Last I checked, the ACLU does not make laws in Rhode Island, or anywhere else for that matter; legislatures do. Perhaps complaints are most appropriately directed at the Rhode Island legislators who passed the specific state law in question. The fact that the ACLU might choose to defend a law on the books is irrelevant to the existence of such laws. Those who actually control laws might consider changing the ones they think are inappropriate, rather than whining like little biatches when the laws they make or leave in place actually get enforced.

Now, if it's a question of interpretation, that's for a higher court to decide -- but again, not the ACLU or anyone else not empowered to do so. I actually know people in Rhode Island who have some pretty interesting ideas about what certain laws mean. Those people are free to advance their notions, and hire counsel to do so on their behalf. But that's still irrelevant to the existence and meaning of any laws that exist, as that is strictly the purview of legislatures and courts.
2012-09-19 12:32:12 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I know this is insane, but how about if you don't have a dad, then you don't get to participate in the father/daughter dance? Just like if you don't make good grades you don't get on the honor roll, or if you aren't athletic you don't get to be quarterback?


Totally! Or if your family is f*cked up and don't support you and you have to stay back a year and never learn long division or how to read a job application? Or if you're ugly and don't have friends? SUCK. IT. UP.

Just like all the freeloading whelps whose mothers refuse to direct Esmerelda to pack them a bento box lunch each day and therefor have to mooch free tater tots and pizza off our taxpayer dime.
2012-09-19 12:26:07 AM
1 votes:
My rebel mom took me to "father/daugher kite flying day" when I was 8 or so (mid 70s). Dad was pre-occupied, mom stepped up. as she'd done so often. Mom was a fox - none of the dads minded.

She had a bit of the "Harper Valley PTA" thing going on.

The picture of mom and me working a kite is in a book now, about changing norms of family (don't have the link handy). A professional photographer was on site that day and I guess felt the need to throw some diversity into the mix. I have the book, thus the picture, but not scanned. Thin, curvy brunette mom with her curly haired daughter building a kite. We were the third ones to get our kite in the air - dozens of father/child combos followed us.

Mom rocked.

/RIP
2012-09-19 12:03:41 AM
1 votes:
So instead of making it a parent-child dance or something, the schools decided to take their ball, go home, and complain about how the evil ACLU took away their god-given right to restrict access to public school events to any student depending on their family status?

Christ, what a bunch of assholes.
2012-09-18 11:56:25 PM
1 votes:

kiwimoogle84: cig-mkr: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)

Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.

What can I say? I live on the edge.

There is no hetero parade. There is no white history month. If I wish the wrong person merry Christmas I'll get sued. Yet there's a black history month and gay pride parade.

Not saying that's wrong. But we've gone past equality, here.




Also, there are several "white history months". January and march through December, if you were curious.
2012-09-18 11:55:45 PM
1 votes:

Eleri: kiwimoogle84: Farklee: Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.

Hey I'm TF and I'm incredibly anti ACLU.

At some point when the given population of any group HAD to be a certain percentage X and X and Y, jobs and opportunities were being given to people not because they were qualified, but because of the color of their skin. It's white supremacy backwards.

Can't a greeter in Walmart wish someone merry Christmas without that person suing? If someone wished me happy Kwanzaa I wouldn't be aghast and in shock. Jesus Christ.

By ensuring EVERYONE has freedoms, now no one does.

Thanks, ACLU.

I do have a question. From your example it appears your in the same boat as most people who dislike the ACLU. That is, your examples have nothing to do with constitutional rights that the ACLU cares about. Would you care to give some actual examples or merely a coherent explanation behind your posititon? I have you marked as intelligent, so I'm honestly curious.


Here's my belief in a nutshell.

I'm an odd bird politically. I believe and support things all over the map. I am absolutely in favor of equality. Slavery and segregation was bad, as was the KKK. I support gay marriage and rights for everyone.

However.

I think it's gone too far. The right to swing my fist end where the other man's nose begins, right? Why are women allowed a women only gym but men can't have men only gyms without women suing?

I am absolutely all for anyone who is qualified to have what they are entitled to. And they should be able to. But when you take a basic principle like this- a friend of mine was an HR manager. She hires 10 people for a new hire class. If she hired 10 white people because they were the most qualified, she'd get the pants sued off of her. She has to hire at least 3 minorities, even if they don't have the same skills. This isn't ok.

I'm totally fine with all religions having the ability to express the freedom of worship. But I don't think my Jewish neighbor should be able to complain about my Christmas tree when I don't complain about her menorah.

Everyone should be free to do what they want to do without fear of "offending" people. My thing is respect of all people.

I love the movie Crash for this. "So what you're saying is that you're mad because the white waitress didn't pour coffee you didn't order?" "she gave us crappy service because she knows black guys don't tip." "how much did you tip her?" "I wasn't gonna tip for that crappy service!"

What a nightmare.

I'm rambling.

In short, I think people should celebrate their differences and respect everyone else for theirs. Everyone will always be offended by something, so eventually we'll have nothing so no one will be offended.

/end threadjack
//heading to bed, hope that cleared it up a little?
/thanks for the complimentary farkie
2012-09-18 11:48:22 PM
1 votes:
You know, right before a lot of units deploy, they have Father/Daughter dances, so the soldiers or Marines who are leaving for 7 months to a year can have a night with their daughters, all spiffed up in their dress blues. They're a really nice event. The ACLU really needs to chill out.
2012-09-18 11:36:39 PM
1 votes:

BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.


So you're extending the classification of sex offender to Dads who take dance classes with their daughters? Sorry dude, dance is an art form. There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual and many which are hyper sexual. Leaving 'art' dancing behind, ever been to a school dance? Most farking kids can't waddle in rhythm much less actually throw down moves, that's something I'd get a kick out of doing with my kid.

I don't give a shiat about gender roles, if my daughter wants to take dance with Daddy, then Daddy will swallow his pride and dance. If she wants to take Hap-Ki-Do and kick some ass, I'll go do crunches with her.. Farking parental involvement is what's becoming extinct. In this case, fark the ACLU, there were many compromises that could have been found.
2012-09-18 11:28:35 PM
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stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
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And just a little creepy.


If you had a daughter, you would know it's not creepy. Father-daughter's do dates and other things together. It creates a great-bond.

Of course there are pedos out there, but the vast majority of dad's would prefer the f/d dance versus some young slob clawing on her.
2012-09-18 11:24:47 PM
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Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
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And just a little creepy.
2012-09-18 11:23:04 PM
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The ACLU are a cancer. Putrid cancer run by scumbag lawyers.
2012-09-18 11:10:18 PM
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Does anyone but me find the notion of father-daughter dances kinda creepy?
/cue "Daddy's Little Girl"
2012-09-18 11:07:03 PM
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Genevieve Marie: Those things are insanely awkward and awful. I had one at my high school and we all "strongly encouraged" to attend. My dad hated them too. We went twice, stayed twenty minutes or so, ate bad food and left.

This is kind of a relic of the nuclear family where Dad works as the sole breadwinner and doesn't really help co-parent, so you have to create this artificial time together. Good riddance.


My sister enjoyed hers and had a great time with my dad. wah. Seriously, farking wah.
2012-09-18 11:01:25 PM
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The ACLU might seem like jackasses in this context, but they would do exactly the same for mother-son dances as well.

Just call it a parent-child dance, no self-respecting bay would be caught infront of his schoolmates dancing with his mother.
2012-09-18 10:56:50 PM
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That settles it...I'm walking into a "Curves" tomorrow with my son and we are both demanding a membership!

I Know, I know farktards..."Curves is a private business and can allow membership to whomever it wants". Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.
2012-09-18 10:54:58 PM
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Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.
2012-09-18 10:49:54 PM
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The American Civil Liberties Union
Spreading freedoms by restricting things since 1920
2012-09-18 10:46:44 PM
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There's nothing that brings out the idiots like an ACLU hate thread.
2012-09-18 10:32:08 PM
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Rather than shut down everything, start up everything:

Father-daughter dances
Mother-son dances
Father-son dances
Mother-daughter dances
Father-son baseball games
Mother-son baseball games
Father-daughter baseball games
Mother-daughter baseball games
2012-09-18 10:29:11 PM
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ic.pics.livejournal.com
2012-09-18 10:28:45 PM
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MadMagnum: I must of have missed the part in civics were dance attendance was a fundamental civil right.

I can't join any Woman's groups as I am not a woman...should we outlaw this too? Does the ACLU have any REAL issue to look into? I know the stupid libitards are screaming about voting rights, maybe they could go look into that for a while and let the rest of us enjoy ourselves.

The ACLU does more to discredit themselves and dig a whole for all the good work they may have done in the past.

My daughter has no Grandparents for "Grandparents day" at school perhaps that is age discrimination. Or maybe I go instead as a special guest and we all go about our lives without lawsuits.



/Sorry, man.
//Pet peeve.
2012-09-18 10:22:21 PM
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LindenFark: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

This is not hyper PC garbage:

public schools have no business fostering the notion that girls prefer to go to formal dances while boys prefer baseball games.

Do you also think that insisting women be able to drive or have their own checking account is also hyper PC garbage?


Slippery slope fallacy....
2012-09-18 10:16:09 PM
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Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.


This is not hyper PC garbage:

public schools have no business fostering the notion that girls prefer to go to formal dances while boys prefer baseball games.

Do you also think that insisting women be able to drive or have their own checking account is also hyper PC garbage?
2012-09-18 10:15:47 PM
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I must of missed the part in civics were dance attendance was a fundamental civil right.

I can't join any Woman's groups as I am not a woman...should we outlaw this too? Does the ACLU have any REAL issue to look into? I know the stupid libitards are screaming about voting rights, maybe they could go look into that for a while and let the rest of us enjoy ourselves.

The ACLU does more to discredit themselves and dig a whole for all the good work they may have done in the past.

My daughter has no Grandparents for "Grandparents day" at school perhaps that is age discrimination. Or maybe I go instead as a special guest and we all go about our lives without lawsuits.
2012-09-18 10:13:30 PM
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Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.


Same here. No dad in the picture, but I never gave a shiat about father/son activities at shool.
2012-09-18 10:12:44 PM
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When I was in grade school we had a big party at some time (I think it was 6th grade). The dj did a father-daughter and mother-son dance at the same time.
2012-09-18 10:08:06 PM
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The ACLU. Helping sensitive little snowflakes force their wills on everyone else. One lawsuit, one threat at a time. Hmm...what will offend me today...
 
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