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(LA Times)   One single mother complains, and so the ACLU trolls a Rhode Island school district and wins -- No more father daughter dances for you, you sexist gender discriminating pig   (latimes.com) divider line 263
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2012-09-19 01:52:20 AM  

Gyrfalcon: And if a single mother or any mother wanted to dance with her daughter at a father daughter dance, do you think anyone would care?

So we change it to a "parent-daughter" dance. Or have a "mother-son" dance the next night. Or any of half a dozen easy compromises I can think of.


That would have been fine with me. Also Temple of Doom's suggestion that people just get over it.

The problem is that all these idiot lawyers at the ACLU and the school board decided the right thing to do was to just shut the dance down. And the claims from supposed progressives here that shutting the dance down was not just unfortunate, but in fact a great thing to do.

The article is for shiat of course. The question is, did the mother go to the school first and if so, what did they do, or did she go straight to the ACLU?

Does atheism really progress when every single instance of prayer or mention of god is outlawed in public?

Does gender equality really progress when one woman's complaint can shut down a dance that apparently many people enjoy?

One of these days, the courts are going to shut down courthouses in YOUR state, and you'll have no recourse for these petty little squabbles, and be forced into mediation, and then...THEN...I'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

Yeah, it's late for me, I'm not sure what you're saying. What's more likely is the special interest lawyers will ensure everything in the states have to go through lawyers and committees etc.

Hey, you know how in California lawyers are relatively rarely needed to buy/sale real estate but in many states, you definitely need a lawyer because lawsuit lawsuit lawsuit. And yet, California doesn't seem to have a big problem with fraudulent real estate deals.

I don't see a whole lot of motion in the courts or by lawyers to get rid of lawyers, except from corporations trying to move everything to mediation.

Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked. See all the Wendy Kaminer articles (a former board member of the ACLU) for more on that.
 
2012-09-19 01:53:15 AM  

RoyBatty: Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked.


You sound ... concerned.
 
2012-09-19 02:05:21 AM  
A huge fight the ACLU didn't take part in that Wendy Kaminer thinks they should have:

Obama Administration: Soft on Bullying, Hard on Speech

Who did fight this fight? FIRE, which often when mentioned at FARK is derided as right wing because they defend ugly speech, much like the ACLU once did in Skokie

Sexual Harassment and the Loneliness of the Civil Libertarian Feminist

The results of the ACLU absence?

On College Campuses, Civil Liberties Took a Beating
 
2012-09-19 02:05:57 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked.

You sound ... concerned.


I am very concerned. Where do Tater Tots come from?
 
2012-09-19 02:06:44 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked.

You sound ... concerned.


Says the guy trolling the thread that father daughter dancing is about pedophilia.

But my concern has amply been backed up in this thread by the statements and columns of Wendy Kaminer, feminist, civil libertarian, and former board member of the ACLU.

Your move dance guard!
 
2012-09-19 02:15:33 AM  

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: And if a single mother or any mother wanted to dance with her daughter at a father daughter dance, do you think anyone would care?

So we change it to a "parent-daughter" dance. Or have a "mother-son" dance the next night. Or any of half a dozen easy compromises I can think of.

That would have been fine with me. Also Temple of Doom's suggestion that people just get over it.....


As I read the article, and I'm happy to be corrected if this is wrong, I think they just changed the policy to make the whole situation gender-inclusive. Which, as I read your post, you're happy with. So I'm uncertain as to why you've still got concerns. If the dance was shut down, it was only done so in its 'father-daughter' format, not completely.

I could have misunderstood this, so sorry if I'm wrong.
 
2012-09-19 02:21:34 AM  
Hey you know what.
I wanted to join a hair-style contest but they don't accept bald people.
I sued them and now they all have to shave their head.
And there was this game and we all had to bring a balloon but I didn't have one so I poked all other people's balloons with a pin so nobody had a balloon and I laughed.

Because if there is one thing I can't stand, it's people having fun.
And one thing I can stand even less, is people having fun in ways that are not available for me.

Because, in my head, I'm 5 years old. And I don't want to grow up. And life should be unfair for everyone but me.

GROW THE FARK UP!
 
2012-09-19 02:22:23 AM  

Aussie_As: As I read the article, and I'm happy to be corrected if this is wrong, I think they just changed the policy to make the whole situation gender-inclusive. Which, as I read your post, you're happy with. So I'm uncertain as to why you've still got concerns. If the dance was shut down, it was only done so in its 'father-daughter' format, not completely.

I could have misunderstood this, so sorry if I'm wrong.


Maybe it is too late for me, but I read the LA Times article, and I am left with no understanding at all as to what they actually did. "Did they say, Parent Kid Dance Monday, everyone welcome?" I don't see that. But maybe I missed it. The only thing that comes close is the language saying the Father daughter dance was banned, with nothing speaking to what it was replaced with or how it was altered.

I think that either:

A) Making it Parent Kid dance, OR
B) Saying tough kids, it's still a Father Daughter dance

are reasonable positions.

I think that cancelling the dance is a win win only for idiot lawyers and people that like to encourage future gender wars.
 
2012-09-19 02:27:54 AM  

Vangor: titwrench: should not be discounted just because a perception that someone had it easier because of the color of their skin.

Oh, I see you. You have the same argument ready no matter what I wrote. Have fun with this whole "not reading" thing. Sure you'll do whites proud.


Your argument was that white people are the "dominant race" and therefore their accomplishments don't hold as much weight because they don't have the added burden say a black person might have. I merely pointed out examples of individual achievement that are equally as important regardless of race and should be celebrated equally but because of some perceived slight society feels the need to put a greater importance on an accomplishment. So I acknowledged what you said I just didn't agree with you because you are wrong. Then I pointed out that if we would stop trying to separate from each other we might have a better chance of getting along and seeing eye to eye. So yeah I hope I do whites proud by wanting everyone to put aside their bullshiat and learn to move forward. If we won 125 metals at the Olympics I really don't give a shiat that 50 were white athletes and 75 were black athletes or 60% were female athletes or any of that crap I just care that the athletes went out and did their best to accomplish their goals. No one athlete deserves any more praise than another because of race or gender or any of that.
 
2012-09-19 02:37:37 AM  

davidphogan: BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked.

You sound ... concerned.

I am very concerned. Where do Tater Tots come from?


Oregon, and Idaho.
 
2012-09-19 02:38:29 AM  

RoyBatty: Your move dance guard!


Ooh ... have I been served?

Is it on?
 
2012-09-19 02:39:52 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Your move dance guard!

Ooh ... have I been served?

Is it on?


Oh. Good question. No then, I'm backing out. Way too tired.
 
2012-09-19 02:41:15 AM  

titwrench: Your argument was that white people are the "dominant race" and therefore their accomplishments don't hold as much weight because they don't have the added burden say a black person might have.


No, this was not. This was the caricature of the argument you began your conversation with. This is the strawman I responded to by saying we do not need to celebrate accomplishments by white people as accomplishments by white people, simply accomplishments. The added burden is why we celebrate the accomplishments by black people as accomplishments by black people rather than simply accomplishments. Difference is in explicitness of the population not praise for the accomplishment.

This is why I said you have the same argument ready, because no where did I suggest accomplishments be discounted or given less weight, but this is what you entered with suggesting white males were not allowed to celebrate accomplishments.

titwrench: Then I pointed out that if we would stop trying to separate from each other we might have a better chance of getting along and seeing eye to eye.


This position, while laudable, tends to come from the privileged position where seeing eye to eye means coming to your eye level. Not a conscious effort, but, when we seek to eschew differences, the image in our mind of normalization tends to be the culturally familiar.
 
2012-09-19 02:42:21 AM  

drayno76: wedun: drayno76: There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual

now I'm curious. Tell me more about these "anti-sexual" dances.

Linky 

IMO anyway. :P


Country-Western line dancing is "anti-sexual" because there's no touching?

No touching is not the polar opposite of sexual (which is the definition of anti-sexual). Sexuality can exist without touching. I was really hoping that you knew what you were talking about and not just spouting lame crap.
 
2012-09-19 02:43:39 AM  

RoyBatty: Way too tired.


Me too.

A most pleasant good evening to you, sir!
 
2012-09-19 02:52:52 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Those things are insanely awkward and awful. I had one at my high school and we all "strongly encouraged" to attend. My dad hated them too. We went twice, stayed twenty minutes or so, ate bad food and left.

This is kind of a relic of the nuclear family where Dad works as the sole breadwinner and doesn't really help co-parent, so you have to create this artificial time together. Good riddance.


Imagine how awkward it would have been if he had booked a hotel room for after the dance!

:-D
 
2012-09-19 03:03:45 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Way too tired.

Me too.

A most pleasant good evening to you, sir!


goodnight sam goodnight ralph
 
2012-09-19 03:24:25 AM  
Yet another case of one person going "If I can't have it, nobody will" ruining it for everybody
 
2012-09-19 03:29:21 AM  

gonegirl: Father-daughter dances are a cute idea, and I'm sure the families who participated had fun.

If the school is genuinely unwilling or unable to make occasional exceptions ("Oh, you don't have a dad? No dance for you, you bastard") then they shouldn't keep doing it. If they'd said, "Meh, okay, a few single moms dancing with their daughters won't hurt," then they wouldn't have dug their own grave quite so efficiently.


I might have to play Devil's Advocate. Single fathers go full derp sometimes when a hot mama passes by. Maybe they're trying to prevent a simple dance from turning into a battleground?
 
2012-09-19 03:29:41 AM  

RoyBatty: Aussie_As: As I read the article, and I'm happy to be corrected if this is wrong, I think they just changed the policy to make the whole situation gender-inclusive. Which, as I read your post, you're happy with. So I'm uncertain as to why you've still got concerns. If the dance was shut down, it was only done so in its 'father-daughter' format, not completely.

I could have misunderstood this, so sorry if I'm wrong.

Maybe it is too late for me, but I read the LA Times article, and I am left with no understanding at all as to what they actually did. "Did they say, Parent Kid Dance Monday, everyone welcome?" I don't see that. But maybe I missed it. The only thing that comes close is the language saying the Father daughter dance was banned, with nothing speaking to what it was replaced with or how it was altered.

I think that either:

A) Making it Parent Kid dance, OR
B) Saying tough kids, it's still a Father Daughter dance

are reasonable positions.

I think that cancelling the dance is a win win only for idiot lawyers and people that like to encourage future gender wars.


It's a variant of the full inclusion = total exclusion scenario that we've seen in similar issues: School throws an event that precious snowflake cannot attend (snowflake is in wheelchair, dance is for "father/daughters" and parent has only a mommy/son, etc.). Parent sues, and predictably wins. District responds with equal predictability: We'll just cancel the whole thing! If nobody does anything, nobody can be excluded/offended!

And the Harrison Bergeroning of America goes on...
 
2012-09-19 03:33:13 AM  

kiwimoogle84: Eleri: kiwimoogle84: Farklee: Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.

Hey I'm TF and I'm incredibly anti ACLU.

At some point when the given population of any group HAD to be a certain percentage X and X and Y, jobs and opportunities were being given to people not because they were qualified, but because of the color of their skin. It's white supremacy backwards.

Can't a greeter in Walmart wish someone merry Christmas without that person suing? If someone wished me happy Kwanzaa I wouldn't be aghast and in shock. Jesus Christ.

By ensuring EVERYONE has freedoms, now no one does.

Thanks, ACLU.

I do have a question. From your example it appears your in the same boat as most people who dislike the ACLU. That is, your examples have nothing to do with constitutional rights that the ACLU cares about. Would you care to give some actual examples or merely a coherent explanation behind your posititon? I have you marked as intelligent, so I'm honestly curious.

Here's my belief in a nutshell.

I'm an odd bird politically. I believe and support things all over the map. I am absolutely in favor of equality. Slavery and segregation was bad, as was the KKK. I support gay marriage and rights for everyone.

However.

I think it's gone too far. The right to swing my fist end where the other man's nose begins, right? Why are women allowed a women only gym but men can't have men only gyms without women suing?

I am absolutely all for anyone who is qualified to have what they are entitled to. And they should be able to. But when you take a basic principle like this- a friend of mine was an HR manager. She hires 10 people for a new hire class. If she hired 10 white people because they were the most qualified, she'd get the pants sued off of her. She has to hire at least 3 minorities, even if they don't have the same skills. This isn't ok.

I'm totally fine with all religions having the ability to express the freedom of worship. But I don't think my Jewish neighbor should be able to complain about my Christmas tree when I don't complain about her menorah.

Everyone should be free to do what they want to do without fear of "offending" people. My thing is respect of all people.

I love the movie Crash for this. "So what you're saying is that you're mad because the white waitress didn't pour coffee you didn't order?" "she gave us crappy service because she knows black guys don't tip." "how much did you tip her?" "I wasn't gonna tip for that crappy service!"

What a nightmare.

I'm rambling.

In short, I think people should celebrate their differences and respect everyone else for theirs. Everyone will always be offended by something, so eventually we'll have nothing so no one will be offended.

/end threadjack
//heading to bed, hope that cleared it up a little?
/thanks for the complimentary farkie


Your're welcome, but that really didn't clear it up. I was wonderimg what exactly the ACLU had done to earn your scorn. An explanation of fundamental beliefs is not unwelcome, though.

It's just, your fundamental beliefs seem to be self-contradictory. That isn't unusual, most people worth talking to hvae interesting beliefs, but I would beg fogiveness for a little disection. I would split this up, but I'm too lazy to grab the laptop, so the tablet's full quote will have to do.

I am rather confused by the fact that you believe your neighbor shouldn't be able to complain about your religious display if you don't first complain about his/hers. And yet, your next sentence is that everyone shpuld be able to act without fear of offending someone. I see an inherit contradiction in wanting to stifle complaints, and yet condoning outspoken complaints given without fear of consequences.

I am also confused by your example of men's and women's gyms. There are men only and women only gyms. You can sue either one for not admitting the opposite sex, but the lawsuit would be a losing proposition. I don't see anything wrong with being able to bring suit when you think you've been wronged, but I also don't see anything wrong with the courts kicking the suit to the curb.

Still, what I really want to know is what ecactly has the ACLU done to earn your scorn?
 
2012-09-19 03:46:07 AM  

sweatybronson: Without any sort of societally-instilled gender expectations, female toddlers are drawn to playing with dolls, males are drawn to playing with trucks and balls.


Exactly. And every parent always buys their child, regardless of gender, dolls and trucks and balls and lets them choose.
And many parents, like my dad, still considered GI Joes to be a "doll". The fact it had a gun in the hand didn't matter to him.
 
2012-09-19 03:49:30 AM  

Brutal Momentum Loss: Hey you know what.
I wanted to join a hair-style contest but they don't accept bald people.
I sued them and now they all have to shave their head.
And there was this game and we all had to bring a balloon but I didn't have one so I poked all other people's balloons with a pin so nobody had a balloon and I laughed.

Because if there is one thing I can't stand, it's people having fun.
And one thing I can stand even less, is people having fun in ways that are not available for me.

Because, in my head, I'm 5 years old. And I don't want to grow up. And life should be unfair for everyone but me.

GROW THE FARK UP!


School is compulsary, a hair style contest isn't. Now, if somehow the town you lived in ponied up tax money to host the contest and then denied you entry into it, then yeah, you have a complaint.
 
2012-09-19 03:50:40 AM  
Where is the ACLU to protect the guy who made the shiatty film that sparked all the 'Muslim rage'. When they pck and choose their battles they lose some credibirt
 
2012-09-19 03:52:10 AM  

publikenemy: Where is the ACLU to protect the guy who made the shiatty film that sparked all the 'Muslim rage'. When they pck and choose their battles they lose some credibirt


They lose some CREDIBILITY that should be
 
2012-09-19 03:57:41 AM  

publikenemy: Where is the ACLU to protect the guy who made the shiatty film that sparked all the 'Muslim rage'. When they pck and choose their battles they lose some credibirt


Is he being sued?
 
2012-09-19 04:22:03 AM  

stonicus: sweatybronson: Without any sort of societally-instilled gender expectations, female toddlers are drawn to playing with dolls, males are drawn to playing with trucks and balls.

Exactly. And every parent always buys their child, regardless of gender, dolls and trucks and balls and lets them choose.
And many parents, like my dad, still considered GI Joes to be a "doll". The fact it had a gun in the hand didn't matter to him.


I gave my two daughters Fox Force Five Action Figures, regardless, they still fight over their "owen ishi doll". (So cute). (Anyway, the girls are now 23 and 25.)
 
2012-09-19 04:59:37 AM  

Cthulhain: BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: yeah you're a douche

Um ... is it too late to choose from buggerers, bulldykes, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, mugs, pugs, and thugs?

As long as you have enough gum for everybody, you're good to go.


QFT

Always remember: gum will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through time of no gum. (paraphrased)

davidphogan: shiat, I put my tater tot rant in the wrong thread. I guess it still kind of works at least.


Henceforth and evermore, I shall call you "Tater Salad"
 
2012-09-19 05:00:57 AM  

stonicus: Exactly. And every parent always buys their child, regardless of gender, dolls and trucks and balls and lets them choose.
And many parents, like my dad, still considered GI Joes to be a "doll". The fact it had a gun in the hand didn't matter to him.


Financially, it makes more sense to buy the kind of toy ones offspring is more likely to choose. perhaps throw in an unexpected toy every now and again as a test, and if that sort of toy gets the most attention, then perhaps move in that direction somewhat.
 
2012-09-19 05:07:48 AM  
This is outraging my younger brother, who a few years ago was pissed at his employer having a 'bring your daughter to work day' - omitting his son. Why yes, he is a knee-jerk republican, how did you guess?

I'm good with the ACLU's work here, as well as my brother's employer eventually caving in and changing the event to 'bring your children to work day'.
 
2012-09-19 05:33:50 AM  
Well, of course, because...

Gay
 
2012-09-19 07:20:27 AM  
Now here's a legit question:

If this is truly about "gender rights" then why was the whole thing turned off? To me that restricts everyone's right. Why did the ACLU call this an "amicable solution"

Normal adults would think, hmm maybe allow a "sub" such as a male relative or the mother/femal relative that allows the 1 person to join in the exercise of free assembly rather that pissing on the other 99 people who were already happy.

In the civil rights era, we didn't shut down the restaurant that restricted blacks, we allowed equal access.

But of course that would be compromise and freaking common sense.

Now back to your racist perv thread.
 
2012-09-19 09:06:41 AM  

Vangor: titwrench: Your argument was that white people are the "dominant race" and therefore their accomplishments don't hold as much weight because they don't have the added burden say a black person might have.

No, this was not. This was the caricature of the argument you began your conversation with. This is the strawman I responded to by saying we do not need to celebrate accomplishments by white people as accomplishments by white people, simply accomplishments. The added burden is why we celebrate the accomplishments by black people as accomplishments by black people rather than simply accomplishments. Difference is in explicitness of the population not praise for the accomplishment.

This is why I said you have the same argument ready, because no where did I suggest accomplishments be discounted or given less weight, but this is what you entered with suggesting white males were not allowed to celebrate accomplishments.

titwrench: Then I pointed out that if we would stop trying to separate from each other we might have a better chance of getting along and seeing eye to eye.

This position, while laudable, tends to come from the privileged position where seeing eye to eye means coming to your eye level. Not a conscious effort, but, when we seek to eschew differences, the image in our mind of normalization tends to be the culturally familiar.


A privileged position? You really have no idea what you are talking about. I grew up poor and lived in predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods. I got my ass kicked all the time just for being white. It took years to get to a point where I was finally allowed to exist without people waiting for me to get off the bus to kick my ass. I had to learn how to understand and include myself. I still volunteer time a few times a month to help kids, some of which are the kids of people that would beat the hell out of me, doing tutoring, mentoring giving rides to appointments what ever I can do through the school. So I didn't expect any one to come to my "eye level" I made it a point to make the effort. You can spout your rhetoric all you want or you can show a little reverence to mankind and try and make difference in your thinking do you don't feel like you need to bring someone to your level to accept them or feel comfortable getting to know them. I have never feared the " culturally unfamiliar " nor have I ever expected anyone to be more like me to accept them as a friend or equal. Your argument says more about your inability to let go of the differences between cultures and races than mine. I'm not saying your point doesn't make sense but it doesn't apply to me.
 
2012-09-19 10:45:40 AM  
I'm a Transgendered person and while I agree with WHY the ACLU did what they did, they COULD have went about it a different way instead of it being banned. For example, why don't they just make a "parents-kids" party or something so that EVERYONE is included, no matter what. THEN no one would have a right to biatch about it (ok, maybe the really hard-core fundies that give Christians a bad name), and everyone wins? If they whole point in this is to celebrate families being together, why ban it? We should CELEBRATE families, no matter HOW they are constructed.
 
2012-09-19 10:46:02 AM  
Call me factitious, call me obtuse, but I have a question about "white privilege"..

What about multi-racial people? I am half white/half Indian (Casino, not 7-11), do I get a half share in all the privilege? Hell, what about President Obama? He's half-white, so is his being elected President of the United States somehow diminished, or was he elected because his white-half "kicked in"?
 
2012-09-19 10:56:12 AM  

Eleri: kiwimoogle84: Eleri: kiwimoogle84: Farklee: Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.

Hey I'm TF and I'm incredibly anti ACLU.

At some point when the given population of any group HAD to be a certain percentage X and X and Y, jobs and opportunities were being given to people not because they were qualified, but because of the color of their skin. It's white supremacy backwards.

Can't a greeter in Walmart wish someone merry Christmas without that person suing? If someone wished me happy Kwanzaa I wouldn't be aghast and in shock. Jesus Christ.

By ensuring EVERYONE has freedoms, now no one does.

Thanks, ACLU.

I do have a question. From your example it appears your in the same boat as most people who dislike the ACLU. That is, your examples have nothing to do with constitutional rights that the ACLU cares about. Would you care to give some actual examples or merely a coherent explanation behind your posititon? I have you marked as intelligent, so I'm honestly curious.

Here's my belief in a nutshell.

I'm an odd bird politically. I believe and support things all over the map. I am absolutely in favor of equality. Slavery and segregation was bad, as was the KKK. I support gay marriage and rights for everyone.

However.

I think it's gone too far. The right to swing my fist end where the other man's nose begins, right? Why are women allowed a women only gym but men can't have men only gyms without women suing?

I am absolutely all for anyone who is qualified to have what they are entitled to. And they should be able to. But when you take a basic principle like this- a friend of mine was an HR manager. She hires 10 people for a new hire class. If she hired 10 white people because they were the most qualifi ...


Shoot me an email, EIP. I was really tired and had a few drinks in me and my thoughts came out jumbled.
 
2012-09-19 10:58:25 AM  
That's too bad. People like to joke about that shiat but Father/daughter activities mean a lot to the kids. My girlscout council held a "Me & my Gal" weekend campout every fall. It's a memory of my dad I'll never forget. We had a lot of fun. I don't remember them being really strict about it either. If you didn't have a dad, you could bring another male figure like an uncle, or grandpa or family friend.
 
2012-09-19 11:07:22 AM  

mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.


Were you immaculately conceived?
 
2012-09-19 11:07:53 AM  

cig-mkr: FTA: following a complaint from a single mom
If the woman was divorced, the ex could have taken the child. (if he wasn't in prison)
If she chose to raise the child single, she assumed the role of mother and father.


Well, that's the issue.

She wasn't allowed to assume the role of mother and father. Her child was prohibited from attending the dance.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, the child's father was run over by a bus last year. She has no father by no fault of her own (of course, when is it a child's fault she has no father, unless she personally killed him?). She would be prohibited from going to this dance. Saying "she could go with an uncle" doesn't cut it; he's not her father any more than her mother is.

Also, the ACLU merely sent the school district a letter which pointed out that the exclusion of the child was in violation of state law. The district's attorneys looked at the state law and they were the ones who said "Y'know, they're right. There's a law against this." It's not the ACLU, nor even the mother of the child who was prohibited from going to the dance, but the Rhode Island state law that said this was illegal.

Methinks Subby has something of an agenda here.
 
2012-09-19 11:10:39 AM  

mafiageek1980: I'm a Transgendered person and while I agree with WHY the ACLU did what they did, they COULD have went about it a different way instead of it being banned. For example, why don't they just make a "parents-kids" party or something so that EVERYONE is included, no matter what. THEN no one would have a right to biatch about it (ok, maybe the really hard-core fundies that give Christians a bad name), and everyone wins? If they whole point in this is to celebrate families being together, why ban it? We should CELEBRATE families, no matter HOW they are constructed.


Or... and this is going out there... or, the school's can worry about teaching children useful skills in life, and not having stupid dances. If father wants to dance with his daughter, he can't do it at home?
 
2012-09-19 11:16:54 AM  

stonicus: mafiageek1980: I'm a Transgendered person and while I agree with WHY the ACLU did what they did, they COULD have went about it a different way instead of it being banned. For example, why don't they just make a "parents-kids" party or something so that EVERYONE is included, no matter what. THEN no one would have a right to biatch about it (ok, maybe the really hard-core fundies that give Christians a bad name), and everyone wins? If they whole point in this is to celebrate families being together, why ban it? We should CELEBRATE families, no matter HOW they are constructed.

Or... and this is going out there... or, the school's can worry about teaching children useful skills in life, and not having stupid dances. If father wants to dance with his daughter, he can't do it at home?


Good Point, I have to agree with ya on that.
 
2012-09-19 11:28:10 AM  

LindenFark: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

This is not hyper PC garbage:

public schools have no business fostering the notion that girls prefer to go to formal dances while boys prefer baseball games.

Do you also think that insisting women be able to drive or have their own checking account is also hyper PC garbage?


I can't believe that I'm actually going to feed a troll, but you're a special kind of stupid.
 
2012-09-19 11:44:37 AM  
Somewhere, someone is offended. By EVERYTHING. The story isn't complete, was the daughter really DENIED attendance, or was she hurt that she didn't fit in? The latter is a harsh fact of life and shouldn't rain on everyone else's parade.

Just a continued attack on people living "normal" lives that make alternative lifestyles feel so offended.
 
2012-09-19 11:55:46 AM  

marleymaniac: Somewhere, someone is offended. By EVERYTHING. The story isn't complete, was the daughter really DENIED attendance, or was she hurt that she didn't fit in? The latter is a harsh fact of life and shouldn't rain on everyone else's parade.

Just a continued attack on people living "normal" lives that make alternative lifestyles feel so offended.


"attack", eh? Thank you for the laugh, pal!

ooooh we so-called "alternatives" are coming to attack your so-called "normal" life. Oooh, we are sooo scary! Before you know it, we will be shopping with you in the same stores, going to the same schools, and *Gasp* we might very well be your neighbors. Talk about SCARY man! We've already "taken over" and you just don't know it, LMFAO! Oh noes, your little normal life has been "invaded" because we scary folks that are different from YOUR point of view are merely sharing the same air with you and not confined to "hide" and deny who we are simply because people like YOU are afraid of us.

My point?

Get a life and deal with it. You live your life, we live ours. And if you would just take a moment to get your head out of your ass, perhaps we can live together in peace, rather than feel like we are outsiders because people like YOU deem us to be. I'm SICK of the "us vs them" crap that we so-called "not normal" people have to deal with. Trust me, we wouldn't have to "fight" so hard to BE recognized as human beings if people would just accept the fact that we aren't what YOU might deem as so-called "normal"

*steps off soapbox*
 
2012-09-19 12:07:10 PM  

mafiageek1980: marleymaniac: Somewhere, someone is offended. By EVERYTHING. The story isn't complete, was the daughter really DENIED attendance, or was she hurt that she didn't fit in? The latter is a harsh fact of life and shouldn't rain on everyone else's parade.

Just a continued attack on people living "normal" lives that make alternative lifestyles feel so offended.

"attack", eh? Thank you for the laugh, pal!

ooooh we so-called "alternatives" are coming to attack your so-called "normal" life. Oooh, we are sooo scary! Before you know it, we will be shopping with you in the same stores, going to the same schools, and *Gasp* we might very well be your neighbors. Talk about SCARY man! We've already "taken over" and you just don't know it, LMFAO! Oh noes, your little normal life has been "invaded" because we scary folks that are different from YOUR point of view are merely sharing the same air with you and not confined to "hide" and deny who we are simply because people like YOU are afraid of us.

My point?

Get a life and deal with it. You live your life, we live ours. And if you would just take a moment to get your head out of your ass, perhaps we can live together in peace, rather than feel like we are outsiders because people like YOU deem us to be. I'm SICK of the "us vs them" crap that we so-called "not normal" people have to deal with. Trust me, we wouldn't have to "fight" so hard to BE recognized as human beings if people would just accept the fact that we aren't what YOU might deem as so-called "normal"

*steps off soapbox*


I use "normal" and "alternative" because EVERYONE knows what that means. Why, because it is popular nomenclature.

I would LOVE to just live my life, but apparently everything grounded in morality and common sense is frowned upon and taken so god damn personally they feel they have to put an end to such atrocities. Such as Father-Daughter dances. OH GOD THE HORROR. Mother-Son baseball games, FOR SHAME! When the hell are they going to fight the PURE EVIL OF SEGREGATED BATHROOMS! FOR farkS SAKE!
 
2012-09-19 12:16:27 PM  

jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Epic win!
 
2012-09-19 12:21:38 PM  
 
2012-09-19 12:30:46 PM  

marleymaniac: mafiageek1980: marleymaniac: Somewhere, someone is offended. By EVERYTHING. The story isn't complete, was the daughter really DENIED attendance, or was she hurt that she didn't fit in? The latter is a harsh fact of life and shouldn't rain on everyone else's parade.

Just a continued attack on people living "normal" lives that make alternative lifestyles feel so offended.

"attack", eh? Thank you for the laugh, pal!

ooooh we so-called "alternatives" are coming to attack your so-called "normal" life. Oooh, we are sooo scary! Before you know it, we will be shopping with you in the same stores, going to the same schools, and *Gasp* we might very well be your neighbors. Talk about SCARY man! We've already "taken over" and you just don't know it, LMFAO! Oh noes, your little normal life has been "invaded" because we scary folks that are different from YOUR point of view are merely sharing the same air with you and not confined to "hide" and deny who we are simply because people like YOU are afraid of us.

My point?

Get a life and deal with it. You live your life, we live ours. And if you would just take a moment to get your head out of your ass, perhaps we can live together in peace, rather than feel like we are outsiders because people like YOU deem us to be. I'm SICK of the "us vs them" crap that we so-called "not normal" people have to deal with. Trust me, we wouldn't have to "fight" so hard to BE recognized as human beings if people would just accept the fact that we aren't what YOU might deem as so-called "normal"

*steps off soapbox*

I use "normal" and "alternative" because EVERYONE knows what that means. Why, because it is popular nomenclature.

I would LOVE to just live my life, but apparently everything grounded in morality and common sense is frowned upon and taken so god damn personally they feel they have to put an end to such atrocities. Such as Father-Daughter dances. OH GOD THE HORROR. Mother-Son baseball games, FOR SHAME! When the hell are they going to ...


I respectfully disagree with you. But, last time I checked there's no set definition on what's "Normal" or "moral". People like to THINK there is, but that's a load of bullshiat. Case in point: I think it's normal to not eat meat or dairy. BUT that's what I deem it. That's not to say you will agree with me. I don't expect you to. Same for what's "moral". I deem non-violence to be "moral" while some don't. No one has a say-so, even when people THINK they do.
 
2012-09-19 12:39:52 PM  

Farklee: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
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And just a little creepy.

If you had a daughter, you would know it's not creepy. Father-daughter's do dates and other things together. It creates a great-bond.

Of course there are pedos out there, but the vast majority of dad's would prefer the f/d dance versus some young slob clawing on her.


My 10yr old daughter loves those Just Dance games on our Kinect. I play them with her and we both laugh and have a great time. I don't see anything creepy about it at all. Of course she also plays COD, MOH, and HALO with me too.
 
2012-09-19 12:40:17 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: No more mother-son dances, either, so some good came of this.


A victory that has come too late for some of us.
 
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