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(LA Times)   One single mother complains, and so the ACLU trolls a Rhode Island school district and wins -- No more father daughter dances for you, you sexist gender discriminating pig   (latimes.com) divider line 262
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2012-09-19 12:27:33 AM  

kiwimoogle84: Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.


As a middle-class, heterosexual, white male, this is nonsense. We have the least overt privilege because the policies which used to benefit us directly have been rightfully stripped away to be replaced by laws which seek to curtail discriminatory practices. You would think for all of the subtle privilege we have amassed over a history of discrimination which has placed our families generally in better financial and education positions as well as culturally aligned with the mannerisms of affluence we would be less prone to f*cking whining.

Oh no! A black student gets a scholarship I do not have access to which was devised to increase minority enrollment and graduation rates considering there is no reason for lower educational attainment amongst blacks except for complex, interacting sociohistorical factors. I'll survive because, as Louis C.K. said, "I am not saying white people are better, I am saying being white is clearly better."
 
2012-09-19 12:29:42 AM  

punkwrestler: kiwimoogle84: cig-mkr: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)

Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.

What can I say? I live on the edge.

There is no hetero parade. There is no white history month. If I wish the wrong person merry Christmas I'll get sued. Yet there's a black history month and gay pride parade.

Not saying that's wrong. But we've gone past equality, here.

OK off the top of your head list 20 gay people in history.(no googling) Now name 50 white males from history.....
If you really need a white pride parade to celebrate your whiteness then just march in the St. Patty's Day parade.,,,


So white males shouldn't be allowed celebrate their contributions to society and their historical accomplishments because there are so many? That makes sense. So ignore the fact a bunch of honkeys hopped on a boat and started a farking country from the ground up. Let's ignore the scientific advances, the political advances, art, literature, everything that was created, thought up, discovered or conquered by any man that's white because it happened too many times. That is what we are calling equality now? MECHA and the NAACP are OK but God forbid I start a group called the NAAWP that has the exact same agenda as the other groups because I am the white devil. You can't have it both ways.
 
2012-09-19 12:32:12 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I know this is insane, but how about if you don't have a dad, then you don't get to participate in the father/daughter dance? Just like if you don't make good grades you don't get on the honor roll, or if you aren't athletic you don't get to be quarterback?


Totally! Or if your family is f*cked up and don't support you and you have to stay back a year and never learn long division or how to read a job application? Or if you're ugly and don't have friends? SUCK. IT. UP.

Just like all the freeloading whelps whose mothers refuse to direct Esmerelda to pack them a bento box lunch each day and therefor have to mooch free tater tots and pizza off our taxpayer dime.
 
2012-09-19 12:34:43 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I know this is insane, but how about if you don't have a dad, then you don't get to participate in the father/daughter dance? Just like if you don't make good grades you don't get on the honor roll, or if you aren't athletic you don't get to be quarterback?

Totally! Or if your family is f*cked up and don't support you and you have to stay back a year and never learn long division or how to read a job application? Or if you're ugly and don't have friends? SUCK. IT. UP.

Just like all the freeloading whelps whose mothers refuse to direct Esmerelda to pack them a bento box lunch each day and therefor have to mooch free tater tots and pizza off our taxpayer dime.


Do what, now?
 
2012-09-19 12:37:20 AM  

kiwimoogle84: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

I'm sure you're trolling, but honestly? Why couldn't they allow the mom to attend the dance with the daughter? Why attack something someone else gets when you can't have it? RGG. Take an uncle to the dance or something. Don't halt a time honored tradition because one single person went boohoo.

PUSSIFICATION

OF

AMERICA.



Time-honored tradition? Huh, I must have grown up in a different USA than you cause I've never even heard of this crap. Sounds...weird to me. Not creepy like that symbolic marriage stuff those promise ring weirdos do, but still...weird.
 
2012-09-19 12:42:13 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Do what, now?


Tater Tots. From Ore-Ida.
 
2012-09-19 12:42:16 AM  

Doubletwist-: I'm normally in favor of the ACLU, but this is just a travesty.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to say that, in the absence of a father figure, the mother may attend the function with their daughter? And the same case for the mother-son activities. And there ARE mother-son dances, so this really isn't a matter of gender stereotyping as they've claimed.

Stupid. It's just stupid.


Did you not read this part?

[Parent-teacher organizations] remain free to hold family dances and other events, but the time has long since passed for public school resources to encourage stereotyping from the days of Ozzie and Harriet. Not every girl today is interested in growing up to be Cinderella -- not even in Cranston. In fact, one of them might make a great major league baseball player someday.

Dances are fine. Restricting access based on gender of the student or parent is not.
 
2012-09-19 12:44:51 AM  

titwrench: MECHA and the NAACP are OK but God forbid I start a group called the NAAWP that has the exact same agenda as the other groups because I am the white devil. You can't have it both ways.


Yes, you can, and here is why you are mistaken on the entire rest of your post. White people do not need groups or a focus on contributions specific to white people. White people are part of the dominant culture who have created the history books, social clubs, etc., of the United States and much of the postindustrialized world. The accomplishments of white people are great and many but you would be hard pressed to find examples of those made despite any discrimination towards whites. We celebrate other peoples explicitly to enter those into our common culture because history has long been written in a narrow way.
 
2012-09-19 12:49:54 AM  

Aussie_As: drayno76: BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.

So you're extending the classification of sex offender to Dads who take dance classes with their daughters? Sorry dude, dance is an art form. There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual and many which are hyper sexual..

Your arguement would be much stronger if many conservative Christian churches hadn't banned dancing among their congregations on the basis that it is a sex metaphor. You're statement is perfectly correct to me as a liberal, but to an old-timey Methodist you're completely wrong. Not your fault, sure, but you've been set up by stupid Christians.


Try again. Methodists are the relative liberals of the Protestant world when it comes to things like dancing, at least here in the Southern US. Methodist congregations are where you will see a better mix of races and cultures, more modern and upbeat music, and open mindedness about current issues. They still skew right-wing as a whole, but they are generally much more open and accepting than other Protestant sects.

You may be thinking of the old-school Bible-thumping Baptists and the Pentecostals when it comes to no dancing. The Holiness sects (the ones you see making their women wear dresses instead of pants and forbidding them to cut their hair) won't even let men and women pray together.

I've always felt that kind of crap resulted from a sect founder using religion to foist his own insecurities on his congregation, and it somehow stayed in the bylaws.
 
2012-09-19 12:50:35 AM  
Here's a crazy idea, how about we use our public schools to yeah math and shiat, and can all this "father daughter dance" nonsense altogether?
 
2012-09-19 12:56:10 AM  
Last I checked, the ACLU does not make laws in Rhode Island, or anywhere else for that matter; legislatures do. Perhaps complaints are most appropriately directed at the Rhode Island legislators who passed the specific state law in question. The fact that the ACLU might choose to defend a law on the books is irrelevant to the existence of such laws. Those who actually control laws might consider changing the ones they think are inappropriate, rather than whining like little biatches when the laws they make or leave in place actually get enforced.

Now, if it's a question of interpretation, that's for a higher court to decide -- but again, not the ACLU or anyone else not empowered to do so. I actually know people in Rhode Island who have some pretty interesting ideas about what certain laws mean. Those people are free to advance their notions, and hire counsel to do so on their behalf. But that's still irrelevant to the existence and meaning of any laws that exist, as that is strictly the purview of legislatures and courts.
 
2012-09-19 12:56:34 AM  

Cthulhain: Aussie_As: drayno76:
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Try again. Methodists are the relative liberals of the Protestant world when it comes to things like dancing, at least here in the Southern US. Methodist congregations are where you will see a better mix of races and cultures, more modern and upbeat music, and open mindedness about current issues. They still skew right-wing as a whole, but they are generally much more open and accepting than other Protestant sects.

You may be thinking of the old-school Bible-thumping Baptists and the Pentecostals when it comes to no dancing. The Holiness sects (the ones you see making their women wear dresses instead of pants and forbidding them to cut their hair) won't even let men and women pray together.

I've always felt that kind of crap resulted from a sect founder using religion to foist his own insecurities on his congregation, and it somehow stayed in the bylaws.


Uuh, no you try again. Methodists don't just exist in the US. And they certainly didn't originate there. I have no experience of American Methodists. But in the country where I live, Methodists banned dancing and these bans extended in many places until very modern times, and as I correctly noted, many old timey Methodists opposed their lifting.

There's a thing called Google you ought to try.
 
2012-09-19 12:59:17 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: PLEASE tell me the school is just overreacting and the ACLU just asked that she be allowed to attend with her daughter or something like that.


Reading between the lines, what I'm getting is that someone's running for office and looking to run an issue campaign, since that's easier than a normal campaign where you have to have ideas and answer questions and all that boring hard stuff.

/15 years in Rhode Island - when in doubt, assume the worst and you'll usually be right
 
2012-09-19 01:01:41 AM  

cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.


Yes, this single mom and her daughter are suffering the same indignity as Rosa Parks.

This bs diminishes the ACLU and the TRUE ideology of civil rights.
 
2012-09-19 01:02:21 AM  

Vangor: titwrench: MECHA and the NAACP are OK but God forbid I start a group called the NAAWP that has the exact same agenda as the other groups because I am the white devil. You can't have it both ways.

Yes, you can, and here is why you are mistaken on the entire rest of your post. White people do not need groups or a focus on contributions specific to white people. White people are part of the dominant culture who have created the history books, social clubs, etc., of the United States and much of the postindustrialized world. The accomplishments of white people are great and many but you would be hard pressed to find examples of those made despite any discrimination towards whites. We celebrate other peoples explicitly to enter those into our common culture because history has long been written in a narrow way.


Accomplishments, acts of valor, contributions to the betterment of mankind should not be discounted just because a perception that someone had it easier because of the color of their skin. Tell Mark Twain his contribution to literature doesn't mean as much as Alex Haley because he was white and therefore it was easier for him to create great literature. Was Benjamin Franklin's contribution to the freedom of our country less impressive or important than Martin Luther King or Cesar Chavez because he was white? No and the sooner people realize that and stop trying to compartmentalize themselves and whine and cry that their group isn't getting enough attention the sooner we can get to know each other as people and not groups and just get the fark along.
 
2012-09-19 01:04:02 AM  

titwrench: should not be discounted just because a perception that someone had it easier because of the color of their skin.


Oh, I see you. You have the same argument ready no matter what I wrote. Have fun with this whole "not reading" thing. Sure you'll do whites proud.
 
2012-09-19 01:04:18 AM  
This is an outrage! We should protest by stoming the Rhode Island embassy and kiiling the infidels!!

My precious snowflake couldn't go to a party,'cuz I don't know who the daddy is #RhodeIslandRage
 
2012-09-19 01:06:48 AM  
Awww, damnit...

KyDave: kiiling killing the infidels!!

FTFM

Don't need no stinkin' preview
 
2012-09-19 01:07:45 AM  

tjfly: This bs diminishes the ACLU and the TRUE ideology of civil rights.


Oh, please DO enlighten us by defining that TRUE ideology of civil rights!
 
2012-09-19 01:09:04 AM  

Aussie_As:

Uuh, no you try again. Methodists don't just exist in the US. And they certainly didn't originate there. I have no experience of American Methodists. But in the country where I live, Methodists banned dancing and these bans extended in many places until very modern times, and as I correctly noted, many old timey Methodists opposed their lifting.

There's a thing called Google you ought to try.


So let me get this straight, in a discussion about religion and dancing that stemmed from an article set in the US, I'm supposed to already know you were speaking of Methodists in your country instead of here? Granted, I could have inferred it from your handle but you came to our table on this one and didn't set any distinction. What do Aussie religious groups have to do with American issues?

To put it another way, I don't go into a thread about kangaroos rampaging across Queensland and bring up our lack of marsupials in the US as a major point of discussion. I'd rightly be branded a drooling retard for that.

Maybe you should be the one Googling so you'll realize that yes, here in the US Methodists (for example) can indeed be better citizens than those in other countries, and get over your butt-hurt.
 
2012-09-19 01:10:42 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

Same here. No dad in the picture, but I never gave a shiat about father/son activities at shool.


Hey, here's a concept: Quit being a biatch, and maybe you could hold on to a man.
 
2012-09-19 01:15:27 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I know this is insane, but how about if you don't have a dad, then you don't get to participate in the father/daughter dance? Just like if you don't make good grades you don't get on the honor roll, or if you aren't athletic you don't get to be quarterback?


There can be excellent reasons to exclude folks from certain roles. It's for the good of the kids working hard on the football team that the most appropriate quarterback is selected (on athletic ability and teamsmanship, hopefully). It's for the good of the school, the state and the nation that kids with intellectual ability are encouraged to work that bit harder to get on the honor roll, as their talents will be put to the best use down the track this way.

Who benefits from kids without dads being excluded from a frigging dance? No one. Just as no one benefits from black kids needing to use a separate water fountain or sit up the back of the bus. Promoting participation is good, even though this sometimes mean some folks miss out. Exclusion for no positive reason is horrible for those involved. It can be a tightrope to make these decisions sometimes (in the case of scholarships for minorities, for example, where some decisions appear to be exclusionary but they are for the overall good of the community), but the school here just farked up.
 
2012-09-19 01:15:43 AM  

Cthulhain: Googling


Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.

Also:

To put it another way, I don't go into a thread about kangaroos rampaging across Queensland and bring up our lack of marsupials in the US as a major point of discussion. I'd rightly be branded a drooling retard for that.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.
 
2012-09-19 01:17:07 AM  

Some people in this thread really need to read this book ... sheesh ... "white" people are discriminated against ... are you farking serious?? Really, some of you are *REALLY* going to make that argument?


www.brettyasko.com
 
2012-09-19 01:17:53 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Googling

Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.

Also:

To put it another way, I don't go into a thread about kangaroos rampaging across Queensland and bring up our lack of marsupials in the US as a major point of discussion. I'd rightly be branded a drooling retard for that.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.


No apparently this is about my butthurt and these facts have no place in this discussion. Thanks for your effort though, greatly appreciated.
 
2012-09-19 01:19:12 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Last I checked, the ACLU does not make laws in Rhode Island, or anywhere else for that matter; legislatures do. Perhaps complaints are most appropriately directed at the Rhode Island legislators who passed the specific state law in question. The fact that the ACLU might choose to defend a law on the books is irrelevant to the existence of such laws. Those who actually control laws might consider changing the ones they think are inappropriate, rather than whining like little biatches when the laws they make or leave in place actually get enforced.

Now, if it's a question of interpretation, that's for a higher court to decide -- but again, not the ACLU or anyone else not empowered to do so. I actually know people in Rhode Island who have some pretty interesting ideas about what certain laws mean. Those people are free to advance their notions, and hire counsel to do so on their behalf. But that's still irrelevant to the existence and meaning of any laws that exist, as that is strictly the purview of legislatures and courts.


The complaint is also with what the ACLU chooses to go after AND what they choose not to.

The ACLU does have limited resources, their choice to go after one thing means they forego going after something else. They have been attacked in the past (by members of their board of directors, by other liberals and civil libertarians) of tempering their attacks on issues that would alienate donors and funders. http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/20/aclu-free-speech-opinions-contributor s-blasphemy.html and of defending the first amendment unreliably and ignoring the second amendment: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/02/free-speech-free-m arkets-and-barriers-to-civil-liberties-coalitions/71315/
 
2012-09-19 01:19:19 AM  
Good. This father-daughter shiat is creepy and patriarchal, it doesn't need government approval. They can hold it at a church for fark's sake.

Farklee: LibsLibsLibs.jpg

When your daughter is being asked to wear a hijab at a majoity-Muslim public school, you'll be glad the ACLU steps in.
 
2012-09-19 01:20:23 AM  
Hey look, it's another thread full of blithering, spittle-flecked ACLU hate. All completely ridiculous and pretty much incorrect in their arguments.
 
2012-09-19 01:21:39 AM  

RoyBatty: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

What does that have to do with anything?

"Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that some families aren't smarter than others, or more talented, or stronger, or more coordinated, so it's time for everyone to start wearing Diana Moon Glampers's mental handicap boxes."

And if a single mother or any mother wanted to dance with her daughter at a father daughter dance, do you think anyone would care?


So we change it to a "parent-daughter" dance. Or have a "mother-son" dance the next night. Or any of half a dozen easy compromises I can think of.

One of these days, the courts are going to shut down courthouses in YOUR state, and you'll have no recourse for these petty little squabbles, and be forced into mediation, and then...THEN...I'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
 
2012-09-19 01:21:53 AM  
I'm not really very PC, but I've found it really misguided when my kids' schools hold these sort of things. I can go (but frankly it is kinda a creepy idea really), but we always know a few kids who "don't have" dads for various reasons, including some with dads serving overseas and one where the dad died of cancer. Basically, it is a big reminder "you don't have a dad".

I mean, really think about that -- you're telling a kid that they can't come to a party because they don't have a dad. That's it. All the rest of the context boils down to that statement, and it is pretty indefensible.

The stupidity, I think, is that there is no valid social or educational reason for a school to hold such a thing, so I think the hurt caused is unnecessary.
 
2012-09-19 01:25:24 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Googling

Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.


How awesome of you to take something out of context and use it as an argument. That paragraph describes worship attitudes, i.e. dancing down the aisles during worship service is frowned upon, as it is in most non-charismatic churches here. Men and women dancing together at a dancing event is not only fine, it's something the local Methodist churches host from time to time. Once again, you are trying to foist your narrow experience on us "Dumb 'Mericans" like the nationalist, douchbag assclown you obviously are.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.

And reading comprehension fail for the lose. I said "lack of" not "we have none". Jesus H. Christ in a Cadillac, you're a farking moron and a half. Here, just in case you really did fail the third grade three times as it appears right now:

lack [læk]
n
1. an insufficiency, shortage, or absence of something required or desired
 

Son, if you don't have the mental capacity to have a rational discussion with an adult, you really should go back to school.
 
2012-09-19 01:28:45 AM  
And now I'M the retard. BuckTurgidson, you obviously aren't an Aussie. The rest of what I wrote to you applies though. :-)
 
2012-09-19 01:30:16 AM  

Aussie_As: BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Googling

Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.

Also:

To put it another way, I don't go into a thread about kangaroos rampaging across Queensland and bring up our lack of marsupials in the US as a major point of discussion. I'd rightly be branded a drooling retard for that.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.

No apparently this is about my butthurt and these facts have no place in this discussion. Thanks for your effort though, greatly appreciated.


See my comment to BuckTurgidson which partly applies to you. I was retarded for replying to both of you in one post, but otherwise, yeah you're a douche. But at least you can admit it.
 
2012-09-19 01:31:00 AM  

tjfly: cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.

Yes, this single mom and her daughter are suffering the same indignity as Rosa Parks.

This bs diminishes the ACLU and the TRUE ideology of civil rights.


Umm, if you're referring to the specific incident of not being allowed to sit in the front of the bus because of something you can't help about yourself, then yes this is the same indignity.

Basically you're being told "you can't do X because we arbitrarily don't like Y about you" is pretty clear cut discrimination.

I'm sure the kid in the article doesn't face the same discrimination through her entire life, and of course sustained discrimination is more serious in aggregate, but as an incident in isolation, yes it is very comparable.
 
2012-09-19 01:31:00 AM  
There is a difference between genders.

Male, female.

Who cares if a mother/father shows up at a father/mother dance. I can assure you no one thier cares.

The dance is about the kids...but leave it for the 1 idiot to ruin it for the rest of us.
 
2012-09-19 01:32:39 AM  

Cthulhain: Jesus H. Christ in a Cadillac, you're a farking moron and a half....Son, if you don't have the mental capacity to have a rational discussion with an adult, you really should go back to school.


You are everything humanity has learned to expect from a Christian - in this case, a Methodist. The day is yours, sir!
 
2012-09-19 01:34:14 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Jesus H. Christ in a Cadillac, you're a farking moron and a half....Son, if you don't have the mental capacity to have a rational discussion with an adult, you really should go back to school.

You are everything humanity has learned to expect from a Christian - in this case, a Methodist. The day is yours, sir!


And when did I ever claim to be a Christian? I happen to have a lot of experience with Methodists via Christian friends, but I don't belong to any religion. Nice try though. :-)
 
2012-09-19 01:35:43 AM  

Cthulhain: BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Googling

Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.

How awesome of you to take something out of context and use it as an argument. That paragraph describes worship attitudes, i.e. dancing down the aisles during worship service is frowned upon, as it is in most non-charismatic churches here. Men and women dancing together at a dancing event is not only fine, it's something the local Methodist churches host from time to time. Once again, you are trying to foist your narrow experience on us "Dumb 'Mericans" like the nationalist, douchbag assclown you obviously are.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.

And reading comprehension fail for the lose. I said "lack of" not "we have none". Jesus H. Christ in a Cadillac, you're a farking moron and a half. Here, just in case you really did fail the third grade three times as it appears right now:

lack [læk]
n
1. an insufficiency, shortage, or absence of something required or desired 

Son, if you don't have the mental capacity to have a rational discussion with an adult, you really should go back to school.


Well there's still this one which was the first result I got when I searched 'US Methodists Dance Ban', which is still correct if you define 'old-timey' as being in the 1920's, which I think is not unreasonable.

I take it you're a Methodist?
 
2012-09-19 01:36:46 AM  

Cthulhain: yeah you're a douche


Um ... is it too late to choose from buggerers, bulldykes, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, mugs, pugs, and thugs?
 
2012-09-19 01:39:02 AM  

Aussie_As:

Well there's still this one which was the first result I got when I searched 'US Methodists Dance Ban', which is still correct if you define 'old-timey' as being in the 1920's, which I think is not unreasonable.


That's the thing, times change and tired old useless "laws" get changed or left behind. It's called progress, and there are a few sects here in the US that are slowly becoming tolerable.

I take it you're a Methodist?

If you haven't already picked it up from my blasphemous ranting or from correcting BuckTurgidson's similar assumption, no I am not religious at all. I do like to study it though, and I do have several friends of different faiths I've learned a lot from. If I were a Methodist, I probably wouldn't talk about it on Fark of all places.
 
2012-09-19 01:39:43 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: yeah you're a douche

Um ... is it too late to choose from buggerers, bulldykes, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, mugs, pugs, and thugs?


As long as you have enough gum for everybody, you're good to go.
 
2012-09-19 01:40:10 AM  

Aussie_As: I take it you're a Methodist?


No, he is now a self-professed troll whose future work, alas, shall henceforth be all the less visible.
 
2012-09-19 01:41:45 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Do what, now?

Tater Tots. From Ore-Ida.


Are tater tots some secret HH or 88 thing with Nazis? I only ask because since I've moved to Portland it seems like everyone loves tater tots. Not like everyone loves corn on the cob or something, but tater tots beat up all fast foot.

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but what if Ore-Ida is some creepy demon lovechild of Oregon and Idaho. What then?
 
2012-09-19 01:42:03 AM  

Cthulhain: Aussie_As:

Well there's still this one which was the first result I got when I searched 'US Methodists Dance Ban', which is still correct if you define 'old-timey' as being in the 1920's, which I think is not unreasonable.

That's the thing, times change and tired old useless "laws" get changed or left behind. It's called progress, and there are a few sects here in the US that are slowly becoming tolerable.

I take it you're a Methodist?

If you haven't already picked it up from my blasphemous ranting or from correcting BuckTurgidson's similar assumption, no I am not religious at all. I do like to study it though, and I do have several friends of different faiths I've learned a lot from. If I were a Methodist, I probably wouldn't talk about it on Fark of all places.


Right, so after all that, we're in agreement. Old-timey Methodists, as I originally referred to, opposed dancing and modern Methodists, to whom I never referred, have no issue. I'm a butt-hurting douche, but for no better reason than you say so, but that's life on the internet. Have a good one.
 
2012-09-19 01:42:22 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Aussie_As: I take it you're a Methodist?

No, he is now a self-professed troll whose future work, alas, shall henceforth be all the less visible.


Not a troll, just way too defensive at times. Read my profile and you'll understand me better. Or don't, and add me to your ignore list. :-)
 
2012-09-19 01:43:02 AM  
shiat, I put my tater tot rant in the wrong thread. I guess it still kind of works at least.
 
2012-09-19 01:44:23 AM  

Aussie_As: Cthulhain: Aussie_As:

Well there's still this one which was the first result I got when I searched 'US Methodists Dance Ban', which is still correct if you define 'old-timey' as being in the 1920's, which I think is not unreasonable.

That's the thing, times change and tired old useless "laws" get changed or left behind. It's called progress, and there are a few sects here in the US that are slowly becoming tolerable.

I take it you're a Methodist?

If you haven't already picked it up from my blasphemous ranting or from correcting BuckTurgidson's similar assumption, no I am not religious at all. I do like to study it though, and I do have several friends of different faiths I've learned a lot from. If I were a Methodist, I probably wouldn't talk about it on Fark of all places.

Right, so after all that, we're in agreement. Old-timey Methodists, as I originally referred to, opposed dancing and modern Methodists, to whom I never referred, have no issue. I'm a butt-hurting douche, but for no better reason than you say so, but that's life on the internet. Have a good one.


You know what? You're right, I went full retard on this one. My apologies. Not that it's an excuse, but that's what I get for going apeshiat at nearly 2am. I'm off to bed now.
 
2012-09-19 01:47:00 AM  

davidphogan: shiat, I put my tater tot rant in the wrong thread.


You sure?

I guess it still kind of works at least.

This thread's a firecracker-up-the-butt-helicopter-crash-jell-o-wrestling-train-wreck, so yeah.
 
2012-09-19 01:50:59 AM  
Stupid woman should have posted a picture of her daughter online. She would have had dozens of men willing to take her daughter to the dance.
 
2012-09-19 01:52:20 AM  

Gyrfalcon: And if a single mother or any mother wanted to dance with her daughter at a father daughter dance, do you think anyone would care?

So we change it to a "parent-daughter" dance. Or have a "mother-son" dance the next night. Or any of half a dozen easy compromises I can think of.


That would have been fine with me. Also Temple of Doom's suggestion that people just get over it.

The problem is that all these idiot lawyers at the ACLU and the school board decided the right thing to do was to just shut the dance down. And the claims from supposed progressives here that shutting the dance down was not just unfortunate, but in fact a great thing to do.

The article is for shiat of course. The question is, did the mother go to the school first and if so, what did they do, or did she go straight to the ACLU?

Does atheism really progress when every single instance of prayer or mention of god is outlawed in public?

Does gender equality really progress when one woman's complaint can shut down a dance that apparently many people enjoy?

One of these days, the courts are going to shut down courthouses in YOUR state, and you'll have no recourse for these petty little squabbles, and be forced into mediation, and then...THEN...I'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

Yeah, it's late for me, I'm not sure what you're saying. What's more likely is the special interest lawyers will ensure everything in the states have to go through lawyers and committees etc.

Hey, you know how in California lawyers are relatively rarely needed to buy/sale real estate but in many states, you definitely need a lawyer because lawsuit lawsuit lawsuit. And yet, California doesn't seem to have a big problem with fraudulent real estate deals.

I don't see a whole lot of motion in the courts or by lawyers to get rid of lawyers, except from corporations trying to move everything to mediation.

Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked. See all the Wendy Kaminer articles (a former board member of the ACLU) for more on that.
 
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