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(LA Times)   One single mother complains, and so the ACLU trolls a Rhode Island school district and wins -- No more father daughter dances for you, you sexist gender discriminating pig   (latimes.com) divider line 263
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2012-09-18 06:57:21 PM  
No more mother-son dances, either, so some good came of this.
 
2012-09-18 08:59:25 PM  
ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.
 
2012-09-18 09:08:43 PM  
Let's be clear...this is at a school. Nobody is stopping anybody from holding a private father/daughter anything.

Hell, it's Rhode Island, if your daughter is old enough you can sell her services so long as it's behind closed doors.
 
2012-09-18 09:11:33 PM  
No greenlight for you, repeatmitter.
 
2012-09-18 09:21:20 PM  

jaylectricity: Let's be clear...this is at a school. Nobody is stopping anybody from holding a private father/daughter anything.

Hell, it's Rhode Island, if your daughter is old enough you can sell her services so long as it's behind closed doors.


I think that particular loophole was closed within the past few years, but I am lazy and don't feel like looking it up to make sure.

/which is not to say that Rhode Island isn't still weird
//because it is
 
2012-09-18 10:02:45 PM  
Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.
 
2012-09-18 10:03:08 PM  

cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.


No, just no.
 
2012-09-18 10:03:17 PM  

cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.


They outlawed ladies night here a long time ago.
 
2012-09-18 10:04:59 PM  

mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.


so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.
 
2012-09-18 10:08:06 PM  
The ACLU. Helping sensitive little snowflakes force their wills on everyone else. One lawsuit, one threat at a time. Hmm...what will offend me today...
 
2012-09-18 10:08:12 PM  
People participate in these types of events? I would never have wanted to go to a dance with my parents when I was a kid.
 
2012-09-18 10:08:25 PM  

mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.


They have a state law about it from what I read earlier.
 
2012-09-18 10:09:24 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: No more mother-son dances, either, so some good came of this.


Thank God
26.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-18 10:09:59 PM  

mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.


What does that have to do with anything?

"Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that some families aren't smarter than others, or more talented, or stronger, or more coordinated, so it's time for everyone to start wearing Diana Moon Glampers's mental handicap boxes."

And if a single mother or any mother wanted to dance with her daughter at a father daughter dance, do you think anyone would care?
 
2012-09-18 10:11:58 PM  
Typical. Woman can't keep a husband and decides to ruin everyone else's fun. Congratulations.
 
2012-09-18 10:12:44 PM  
When I was in grade school we had a big party at some time (I think it was 6th grade). The dj did a father-daughter and mother-son dance at the same time.
 
2012-09-18 10:12:57 PM  
PLEASE tell me the school is just overreacting and the ACLU just asked that she be allowed to attend with her daughter or something like that.
 
2012-09-18 10:13:30 PM  

Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.


Same here. No dad in the picture, but I never gave a shiat about father/son activities at shool.
 
2012-09-18 10:15:47 PM  
I must of missed the part in civics were dance attendance was a fundamental civil right.

I can't join any Woman's groups as I am not a woman...should we outlaw this too? Does the ACLU have any REAL issue to look into? I know the stupid libitards are screaming about voting rights, maybe they could go look into that for a while and let the rest of us enjoy ourselves.

The ACLU does more to discredit themselves and dig a whole for all the good work they may have done in the past.

My daughter has no Grandparents for "Grandparents day" at school perhaps that is age discrimination. Or maybe I go instead as a special guest and we all go about our lives without lawsuits.
 
2012-09-18 10:16:09 PM  

Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.


This is not hyper PC garbage:

public schools have no business fostering the notion that girls prefer to go to formal dances while boys prefer baseball games.

Do you also think that insisting women be able to drive or have their own checking account is also hyper PC garbage?
 
2012-09-18 10:16:11 PM  
Father-daughter dances are a cute idea, and I'm sure the families who participated had fun.

If the school is genuinely unwilling or unable to make occasional exceptions ("Oh, you don't have a dad? No dance for you, you bastard") then they shouldn't keep doing it. If they'd said, "Meh, okay, a few single moms dancing with their daughters won't hurt," then they wouldn't have dug their own grave quite so efficiently.
 
2012-09-18 10:16:14 PM  

cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.


Wait until they hear that men and women are forced to use separate bathrooms.
 
2012-09-18 10:19:25 PM  

jaylectricity: Let's be clear...this is at a school. Nobody is stopping anybody from holding a private father/daughter anything.

Hell, it's Rhode Island, if your daughter is old enough you can sell her services so long as it's behind closed doors.


Not anymore the law has changed.
 
2012-09-18 10:20:12 PM  

LindenFark: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

This is not hyper PC garbage:

public schools have no business fostering the notion that girls prefer to go to formal dances while boys prefer baseball games.

Do you also think that insisting women be able to drive or have their own checking account is also hyper PC garbage?


Non sequitur. Weak attack, try harder net time. I have no issues with a mother/son dance as well. I even have no problem with this single mom going to the father daughter dance, who the hell is going to tell her no? Our national policy should not e be "I have the right to never be offended no matter how ridiculous my demands are"

This is hyper PC garbage and discredits the aclu
 
2012-09-18 10:22:01 PM  
Wasn't the ACLU just in Rhode Island for some snowflake in Cranston getting the 10 Commandments taken down from some school?
 
2012-09-18 10:22:21 PM  

LindenFark: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

This is not hyper PC garbage:

public schools have no business fostering the notion that girls prefer to go to formal dances while boys prefer baseball games.

Do you also think that insisting women be able to drive or have their own checking account is also hyper PC garbage?


Slippery slope fallacy....
 
2012-09-18 10:23:06 PM  

cig-mkr: jaylectricity: Let's be clear...this is at a school. Nobody is stopping anybody from holding a private father/daughter anything.

Hell, it's Rhode Island, if your daughter is old enough you can sell her services so long as it's behind closed doors.

Not anymore the law has changed.


*crosses item off bucket list*
 
2012-09-18 10:23:31 PM  

mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.


I'm sure you're trolling, but honestly? Why couldn't they allow the mom to attend the dance with the daughter? Why attack something someone else gets when you can't have it? RGG. Take an uncle to the dance or something. Don't halt a time honored tradition because one single person went boohoo.

PUSSIFICATION

OF

AMERICA.
 
2012-09-18 10:24:11 PM  

gonegirl: Father-daughter dances are a cute idea, and I'm sure the families who participated had fun.

If the school is genuinely unwilling or unable to make occasional exceptions ("Oh, you don't have a dad? No dance for you, you bastard") then they shouldn't keep doing it. If they'd said, "Meh, okay, a few single moms dancing with their daughters won't hurt," then they wouldn't have dug their own grave quite so efficiently.


Or they can bring their grandfather. Or their uncle. Or their moms new boyfriend. Or ANYONE!! I can't see a school not making an exception for girls without a dad.

But this sounds more like a shrew with an absent ex who would rather ruin things for everyone else.
 
2012-09-18 10:28:45 PM  

MadMagnum: I must of have missed the part in civics were dance attendance was a fundamental civil right.

I can't join any Woman's groups as I am not a woman...should we outlaw this too? Does the ACLU have any REAL issue to look into? I know the stupid libitards are screaming about voting rights, maybe they could go look into that for a while and let the rest of us enjoy ourselves.

The ACLU does more to discredit themselves and dig a whole for all the good work they may have done in the past.

My daughter has no Grandparents for "Grandparents day" at school perhaps that is age discrimination. Or maybe I go instead as a special guest and we all go about our lives without lawsuits.



/Sorry, man.
//Pet peeve.
 
2012-09-18 10:29:11 PM  
ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
2012-09-18 10:29:56 PM  

VespaGuy: gonegirl: Father-daughter dances are a cute idea, and I'm sure the families who participated had fun.

If the school is genuinely unwilling or unable to make occasional exceptions ("Oh, you don't have a dad? No dance for you, you bastard") then they shouldn't keep doing it. If they'd said, "Meh, okay, a few single moms dancing with their daughters won't hurt," then they wouldn't have dug their own grave quite so efficiently.

Or they can bring their grandfather. Or their uncle. Or their moms new boyfriend. Or ANYONE moms dildo!! I can't see a school not making an exception for girls without a dad.

But this sounds more like a shrew with an absent ex who would rather ruin things for everyone else.


Fixed that for you
 
2012-09-18 10:30:57 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Typical. Woman can't keep a husband and decides to ruin everyone else's fun. Congratulations.


Uuh, no. School banned daughter from participating. School's fault, not mother's. Not to say the ACLU is right though. But it's not wrong either.
 
2012-09-18 10:32:08 PM  
Rather than shut down everything, start up everything:

Father-daughter dances
Mother-son dances
Father-son dances
Mother-daughter dances
Father-son baseball games
Mother-son baseball games
Father-daughter baseball games
Mother-daughter baseball games
 
2012-09-18 10:32:55 PM  
So what is the projected Mass of said Mother in question!
 
2012-09-18 10:38:07 PM  

kiwimoogle84: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

I'm sure you're trolling, but honestly? Why couldn't they allow the mom to attend the dance with the daughter? Why attack something someone else gets when you can't have it? RGG. Take an uncle to the dance or something. Don't halt a time honored tradition because one single person went boohoo.

PUSSIFICATION

OF

AMERICA.


With just a little more effort we can take "Nanny State" claim away from England
 
2012-09-18 10:41:49 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Rather than shut down everything, start up everything:

Father-daughter dances
Mother-son dances
Father-son dances
Mother-daughter dances
Father-son baseball games
Mother-son baseball games
Father-daughter baseball games
Mother-daughter baseball games


What about the adopted kids? Do they get special events, too?
 
2012-09-18 10:44:27 PM  
Good. This is just a slippery slope. What's next, father-horse dances? cat-son dances? I won't have any of it. Unless they start up a snake-Salma Hayek dance. Did anyone see From Dusk Til Dawn? It wasn't great, but not terrible. Parts of it were fun. If you can catch it on TV give it a watch.
 
2012-09-18 10:44:45 PM  

cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.


Ladies night has been illegal in California for a long time.
 
2012-09-18 10:45:08 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: PLEASE tell me the school is just overreacting and the ACLU just asked that she be allowed to attend with her daughter or something like that.


yeah, like the ACLU is known for coming up with reasonable solutions rather than chitting on everyone's parade!!!
 
2012-09-18 10:45:17 PM  

Proteios1: The ACLU. Helping sensitive little snowflakes force their wills on everyone else. One lawsuit, one threat at a time. Hmm...what will offend me today...


Yeah, blame the ACLU, not the woman who filed the suit OR the morons running the school who were so inflexible they wouldn't allow her to attend.

One of these days you may need their help. I hope they refuse you.
 
2012-09-18 10:45:52 PM  

fusillade762: BarkingUnicorn: Rather than shut down everything, start up everything:

Father-daughter dances
Mother-son dances
Father-son dances
Mother-daughter dances
Father-son baseball games
Mother-son baseball games
Father-daughter baseball games
Mother-daughter baseball games

What about the adopted kids? Do they get special events, too?


Good point. And what about sisters and strippers and goats? Are they all allowed to marry, in any order?
 
2012-09-18 10:46:44 PM  
There's nothing that brings out the idiots like an ACLU hate thread.
 
2012-09-18 10:49:03 PM  
... a complaint from a single mom who said her daughter was prevented from attending a father-daughter dance in the Cranston Public Schools district

Prevented = Discrimination

This is why we can't have nice things people. Let a kid from a single-parent family bring somebody else, or go with another family. Let a gay kid have a prom date. Let a farking school assembly go by where you don't have to stick your religious dick in the mashed potatoes.
 
2012-09-18 10:49:54 PM  
The American Civil Liberties Union
Spreading freedoms by restricting things since 1920
 
2012-09-18 10:50:29 PM  
When I first saw this headline somewhere I thought it was about those super-creepy "Purity Balls" the fundamentalists keep having to reinforce their control over their daughter's vaginas. And frankly when it comes to banning those, I say "faster pussycat, kill kill".
 
2012-09-18 10:52:12 PM  

No Such Agency: When I first saw this headline somewhere I thought it was about those super-creepy "Purity Balls" the fundamentalists keep having to reinforce their control over their daughter's vaginas. And frankly when it comes to banning those, I say "faster pussycat, kill kill".


Perhaps you could throw a ch-ch-ch-ch-cherry bomb at the dance?
 
2012-09-18 10:54:13 PM  

Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.


You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.
 
2012-09-18 10:54:28 PM  

bmihura: fusillade762: BarkingUnicorn: Rather than shut down everything, start up everything:

Father-daughter dances
Mother-son dances
Father-son dances
Mother-daughter dances
Father-son baseball games
Mother-son baseball games
Father-daughter baseball games
Mother-daughter baseball games

What about the adopted kids? Do they get special events, too?

Good point. And what about sisters and strippers and goats? Are they all allowed to marry, in any order?


Sperm-donor-bio-daughter night at the roller rink?
 
2012-09-18 10:54:58 PM  
Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.
 
2012-09-18 10:56:26 PM  

mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.


Swing and a miss. Liberal from New Jersey here. Being a liberal should not mean blind allegiance to PC nonsense from the ACLU.
 
2012-09-18 10:56:50 PM  
That settles it...I'm walking into a "Curves" tomorrow with my son and we are both demanding a membership!

I Know, I know farktards..."Curves is a private business and can allow membership to whomever it wants". Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.
 
2012-09-18 10:57:22 PM  
Those things are insanely awkward and awful. I had one at my high school and we all "strongly encouraged" to attend. My dad hated them too. We went twice, stayed twenty minutes or so, ate bad food and left.

This is kind of a relic of the nuclear family where Dad works as the sole breadwinner and doesn't really help co-parent, so you have to create this artificial time together. Good riddance.
 
2012-09-18 10:58:53 PM  
Civil rights, they're for everybody or they're for nobody.

/Card carrying member since 1980-something.
 
2012-09-18 10:59:21 PM  

Farklee: Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.


Hey I'm TF and I'm incredibly anti ACLU.

At some point when the given population of any group HAD to be a certain percentage X and X and Y, jobs and opportunities were being given to people not because they were qualified, but because of the color of their skin. It's white supremacy backwards.

Can't a greeter in Walmart wish someone merry Christmas without that person suing? If someone wished me happy Kwanzaa I wouldn't be aghast and in shock. Jesus Christ.

By ensuring EVERYONE has freedoms, now no one does.

Thanks, ACLU.
 
2012-09-18 11:00:13 PM  

mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.


Yeah, aren't you tired of all these racist conservatives with all their racist assumptions about people they know nothing about? I sure am. Who cares what those racists think or have to say anyways? I just can't believe they can find the time to biatch about the ACLU what with all gay bashing they must be constantly engaged in.
 
2012-09-18 11:00:18 PM  

crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.


Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?
 
2012-09-18 11:00:56 PM  

louiedog: Good. This is just a slippery slope. What's next, father-horse dances? cat-son dances? I won't have any of it. Unless they start up a snake-Salma Hayek dance. Did anyone see From Dusk Til Dawn? It wasn't great, but not terrible. Parts of it were fun. If you can catch it on TV give it a watch.


love that cheezy flick. quentin gets punched smack in the face - win. salma is so smoking hot she could make a catholic priest forget all about little boys - win. clooney is a maniac with neck tattoos - win. and the guy with the crotch pistol, that shiat is hilarious.
 
2012-09-18 11:01:21 PM  
The ACLU: defending our imaginary right to not be offended. Because fark the constitution, that's why.
 
2012-09-18 11:01:24 PM  

jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Google Mike Portnoy, Danny Carey and Joey Jordison.

Three white guys who wail on drums.

You're welcome.
 
2012-09-18 11:01:25 PM  
The ACLU might seem like jackasses in this context, but they would do exactly the same for mother-son dances as well.

Just call it a parent-child dance, no self-respecting bay would be caught infront of his schoolmates dancing with his mother.
 
2012-09-18 11:01:35 PM  

No Such Agency: When I first saw this headline somewhere I thought it was about those super-creepy "Purity Balls" the fundamentalists keep having to reinforce their control over their daughter's vaginas. And frankly when it comes to banning those, I say "faster pussycat, kill kill".


This. Only good can come of this.
 
2012-09-18 11:02:03 PM  

jaylectricity: Hell, it's Rhode Island, if your daughter is old enough you can sell her services so long as it's behind closed doors.


Not anymore. Consensual prostitution got conflated with human trafficking so now both are felonies.
 
2012-09-18 11:02:12 PM  

fusillade762: BarkingUnicorn: Rather than shut down everything, start up everything:

Father-daughter dances
Mother-son dances
Father-son dances
Mother-daughter dances
Father-son baseball games
Mother-son baseball games
Father-daughter baseball games
Mother-daughter baseball games

What about the adopted kids? Do they get special events, too?


I don't think you understand adoption.
 
2012-09-18 11:02:51 PM  
FTA: following a complaint from a single mom
If the woman was divorced, the ex could have taken the child. (if he wasn't in prison)
If she chose to raise the child single, she assumed the role of mother and father.
 
2012-09-18 11:03:14 PM  

jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?



Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?
 
2012-09-18 11:03:55 PM  

kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?

Google Mike Portnoy, Danny Carey and Joey Jordison.

Three white guys who wail on drums.

You're welcome.


No love for The Professor?
 
2012-09-18 11:04:16 PM  

Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.


Pretty much this. The slippery slope is already started though, but we've become knee jerk PC douches, or victims. Nobody just wants to cough it up to "well that sucks, maybe next time."

All it does is single her out for how utterly pathetic her life must be; and chances are she's just pissed that she can't get a guy. And with that victim mentality and probably a raging case of feminism, I'm shocked.
 
2012-09-18 11:04:47 PM  
I, for one, am shocked that she's single
 
2012-09-18 11:05:23 PM  

austin_millbarge: There's nothing that brings out the idiots like an ACLU hate thread.


A the top of your screen we have austin millbarge, defending with ad hominem.

Let me now draw your attention to the bottom of the screen where well known left wing feminist and former ACLU board member takes the idiot derping position.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-18 11:05:24 PM  

crispyone: That settles it...I'm walking into a "Curves" tomorrow with my son and we are both demanding a membership!

I was pretty psyched to see a "Curves" opening up just within a mile of my house, thinking it would be a strip club.

Not so much.

Well at least there's now a great hole-in-the-wall Asian Fusion restaurant next door; if you're in Austin TX check out "Yummi".

 
2012-09-18 11:06:27 PM  

MoeSzyslak: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?

Google Mike Portnoy, Danny Carey and Joey Jordison.

Three white guys who wail on drums.

You're welcome.

No love for The Professor?


Peart as well, and also Pete Sandoval- the father of biatchin' double bass thrash metal drumming.

Your point. I disproves it.
 
2012-09-18 11:07:03 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Those things are insanely awkward and awful. I had one at my high school and we all "strongly encouraged" to attend. My dad hated them too. We went twice, stayed twenty minutes or so, ate bad food and left.

This is kind of a relic of the nuclear family where Dad works as the sole breadwinner and doesn't really help co-parent, so you have to create this artificial time together. Good riddance.


My sister enjoyed hers and had a great time with my dad. wah. Seriously, farking wah.
 
2012-09-18 11:07:18 PM  

kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?

Google Mike Portnoy, Danny Carey and Joey Jordison.

Three white guys who wail on drums.

You're welcome.


C'mon, silly, I'm just messing around here.
 
2012-09-18 11:08:57 PM  

Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?


I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.
 
2012-09-18 11:09:54 PM  

jaylectricity: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?

Google Mike Portnoy, Danny Carey and Joey Jordison.

Three white guys who wail on drums.

You're welcome.

C'mon, silly, I'm just messing around here.


Sure, but you throw something out like that, this is an area I'm passionate in. Lots of pale mofos make up the foundation upon which metal drumming became spectacular.
 
2012-09-18 11:10:18 PM  
Does anyone but me find the notion of father-daughter dances kinda creepy?
/cue "Daddy's Little Girl"
 
2012-09-18 11:11:26 PM  

jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.


That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)
 
2012-09-18 11:11:27 PM  

jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.


White guys CAN play drums. Just don't ask them to jump.
 
2012-09-18 11:12:28 PM  

cynicalbastard: Does anyone but me find the notion of father-daughter dances kinda creepy?
/cue "Daddy's Little Girl"


Creepy how?
 
2012-09-18 11:15:17 PM  

kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)


Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.
 
2012-09-18 11:15:33 PM  

hlehmann: Civil rights, they're for everybody or they're for nobody.

/Card carrying member since 1980-something.


So all of the true injustice in this country have been eradicated so now the ACLU can focus on non-consequential bullshiat harmless fun? How about focusing on the wrongfully imprisoned, racial inequality, brow beating the government into actually jailing wall street fat cats that have been breaking laws and stealing from the poor and widening the gap between rich and poor. I guess you're right a father and daughter having a nice memorable evening is the true injustice. Way to take a stand.
 
2012-09-18 11:15:40 PM  

cynicalbastard: Does anyone but me find the notion of father-daughter dances kinda creepy?
/cue "Daddy's Little Girl"


Absolutely, but the point of America was that we can have creepy perverse things like this. Hell the ACLU defends NAMBLA---there's gender discrimination right there. They refused my right to join because I wanted to be a perv with a girl! Or they refused my right to join as a Transgendered Man who loves boys...

I can go on, but you get the point.
 
2012-09-18 11:18:25 PM  

cig-mkr: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)

Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.


What can I say? I live on the edge.

There is no hetero parade. There is no white history month. If I wish the wrong person merry Christmas I'll get sued. Yet there's a black history month and gay pride parade.

Not saying that's wrong. But we've gone past equality, here.
 
2012-09-18 11:21:22 PM  

Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.


Complaining about pc = white man's victim card.
 
2012-09-18 11:22:37 PM  

Latinwolf: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

Complaining about pc = white man's victim card.


this has nothing to do with race you knew that, Lupo Burro
 
2012-09-18 11:23:04 PM  
The ACLU are a cancer. Putrid cancer run by scumbag lawyers.
 
2012-09-18 11:24:47 PM  
Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.
 
2012-09-18 11:25:11 PM  
So, apparently 'liberty' now means neither you nor your whole community can do what you choose to do just because one twat got her panties in a bunch.
 
2012-09-18 11:25:46 PM  

stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
[www.trbimg.com image 600x387]
And just a little creepy.


If you're a pervert who wants to fark your daughter, yeah.
 
2012-09-18 11:27:30 PM  

stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.


Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.
 
2012-09-18 11:28:08 PM  
Father-daughter ballroom dances and mother-son baseball games? Nobody has a problem with this? Really? Girls aren't allowed to go to the baseball game, and boys aren't allowed to go to the dance? You're all cool with this? OK then.

The ACLU has sued several times...for your right to say "Merry Christmas". They fought in favor of being able to say it, not against. The government shouldn't be in the religion business, whether it's making you say "Merry Christmas" or forbidding you to do so.
 
2012-09-18 11:28:35 PM  

stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
[www.trbimg.com image 600x387]
And just a little creepy.


If you had a daughter, you would know it's not creepy. Father-daughter's do dates and other things together. It creates a great-bond.

Of course there are pedos out there, but the vast majority of dad's would prefer the f/d dance versus some young slob clawing on her.
 
2012-09-18 11:29:34 PM  

BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.


masturbation:

www.pinstripemag.com
 
2012-09-18 11:30:30 PM  

Saruman_W: The ACLU are a cancer. Putrid cancer run by scumbag lawyers.


They are the ridiculous Yang to the Westboro Baptist Church's (and others like them) ridiculous Yin. Knee jerk attention whoring without actually accomplishing anything that makes a genuine difference. Yeah sometimes they are on the right side of an issue and they snort and stomp and make noise but they have never accomplished anything of true value to our society.
 
2012-09-18 11:31:15 PM  

Brostorm: Swing and a miss. Liberal from New Jersey here. Being a liberal should not mean blind allegiance to PC nonsense from the ACLU.


This isn't a PC issue, it's an equality issue. OH NOES they stepped on someones tradition. BFD.
 
2012-09-18 11:31:42 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Those things are insanely awkward and awful. I had one at my high school and we all "strongly encouraged" to attend. My dad hated them too. We went twice, stayed twenty minutes or so, ate bad food and left.

This is kind of a relic of the nuclear family where Dad works as the sole breadwinner and doesn't really help co-parent, so you have to create this artificial time together. Good riddance.


I didn't like them and that assures me no one else liked them either, fark you people, everyone needs to do things my way,
 
2012-09-18 11:31:59 PM  
My daughters primary school has Donuts with Dad on one day and Muffins with Mom another day. I wonder if someone could sue over that too.
 
2012-09-18 11:33:16 PM  
It was creepy to begin with. The ACLU did you a favor.
 
2012-09-18 11:33:37 PM  

BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.


This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2012-09-18 11:34:30 PM  

austin_millbarge: Brostorm: Swing and a miss. Liberal from New Jersey here. Being a liberal should not mean blind allegiance to PC nonsense from the ACLU.

This isn't a PC issue, it's an equality issue. OH NOES they stepped on someones tradition. BFD.


what's the equality issue? Allow boys to go to the father-daughter dance and deal with the ridicule of being the farking douche who went to the father daughter dance. Yay, they can still have their dance and attention whoring boys can attend too! Yippee!
 
2012-09-18 11:35:11 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: It was creepy to begin with. The ACLU did you a favor.


I think you have sexual issues you should see someone about
 
2012-09-18 11:36:39 PM  

BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.


So you're extending the classification of sex offender to Dads who take dance classes with their daughters? Sorry dude, dance is an art form. There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual and many which are hyper sexual. Leaving 'art' dancing behind, ever been to a school dance? Most farking kids can't waddle in rhythm much less actually throw down moves, that's something I'd get a kick out of doing with my kid.

I don't give a shiat about gender roles, if my daughter wants to take dance with Daddy, then Daddy will swallow his pride and dance. If she wants to take Hap-Ki-Do and kick some ass, I'll go do crunches with her.. Farking parental involvement is what's becoming extinct. In this case, fark the ACLU, there were many compromises that could have been found.
 
2012-09-18 11:38:16 PM  

kiwimoogle84: Farklee: Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.

Hey I'm TF and I'm incredibly anti ACLU.

At some point when the given population of any group HAD to be a certain percentage X and X and Y, jobs and opportunities were being given to people not because they were qualified, but because of the color of their skin. It's white supremacy backwards.

Can't a greeter in Walmart wish someone merry Christmas without that person suing? If someone wished me happy Kwanzaa I wouldn't be aghast and in shock. Jesus Christ.

By ensuring EVERYONE has freedoms, now no one does.

Thanks, ACLU.


I do have a question. From your example it appears your in the same boat as most people who dislike the ACLU. That is, your examples have nothing to do with constitutional rights that the ACLU cares about. Would you care to give some actual examples or merely a coherent explanation behind your posititon? I have you marked as intelligent, so I'm honestly curious.
 
2012-09-18 11:38:17 PM  

drayno76: There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual


now I'm curious. Tell me more about these "anti-sexual" dances.
 
2012-09-18 11:39:58 PM  

wedun: drayno76: There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual

now I'm curious. Tell me more about these "anti-sexual" dances.


Any white person dancing, pretty much. It's like visual birth control.
 
2012-09-18 11:40:17 PM  

drayno76: So you're extending the classification of sex offender to Dads who take dance classes with their daughters? Sorry dude, dance is an art form. There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual and many which are hyper sexual. Leaving 'art' dancing behind, ever been to a school dance? Most farking kids can't waddle in rhythm much less actually throw down moves, that's something I'd get a kick out of doing with my kid.


Hey, thank you, seriously, for putting this down so much better than I did.

Yes in fact, my daughter, 15, has been taking dance classes at studio since the age of 12. Many of her instructors are men. At the end of each year, the parents and public are invited to prominent recitals at a very large arena.

I am glad to know BuckTurgidson and stuffy and many others all consider this a form of pedophilia.

Because dancing can't be about art or passion.
 
2012-09-18 11:40:24 PM  
Lots of projecting semi incest-pedos in this thread I see.
 
2012-09-18 11:41:24 PM  
www.newyorker.com
 
2012-09-18 11:43:55 PM  

wedun: drayno76: There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual

now I'm curious. Tell me more about these "anti-sexual" dances.


Linky 

IMO anyway. :P
 
2012-09-18 11:43:59 PM  

drayno76: BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.

So you're extending the classification of sex offender to Dads who take dance classes with their daughters? Sorry dude, dance is an art form. There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual and many which are hyper sexual..


Your arguement would be much stronger if many conservative Christian churches hadn't banned dancing among their congregations on the basis that it is a sex metaphor. You're statement is perfectly correct to me as a liberal, but to an old-timey Methodist you're completely wrong. Not your fault, sure, but you've been set up by stupid Christians.
 
2012-09-18 11:44:15 PM  
Jesus. I didn't know this weirdo Oedipal shiat was so common. I'm relieved I never had to deal with community-sanctioned opposite-sex parental dating, and I know my folks are too.

Did this come from Kahzakstani immigrants?
 
2012-09-18 11:44:47 PM  

Aussie_As: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Typical. Woman can't keep a husband and decides to ruin everyone else's fun. Congratulations.

Uuh, no. School banned daughter from participating. School's fault, not mother's. Not to say the ACLU is right though. But it's not wrong either.


of course the aclu is wrong. there is no right to attend the dance. not everything in life is equal or fair and childhood is the best time to learn it.

aclu knows if the threaten to sue the school the school will back down and the aclu gets their name in the national media yet again.

the aclu has replaced the mob in shaking down the neighborhood for "protection money"
 
2012-09-18 11:46:03 PM  
There's this whole thing where science is starting to bring back our stereotypes --

Girls like to do social / takingcareofpeople things, boys like things that involve shiat moving around through the air.

It's true.

Without any sort of societally-instilled gender expectations, female toddlers are drawn to playing with dolls, males are drawn to playing with trucks and balls.

Genetic and hormonal differences between males and females are many, and they actually mean something.

So normal males like certain things, and normal females like certain things. Of course, there are outliers - and those outliers shouldn't be castigated or thought of as 'bad' for being different. But they are different. They are abnormal. The problem isn't that we have this false idea that certain things are 'normal' - the problem is giving 'normal' a value of being 'good,' and 'abnormal' a value of being 'bad.'

The problem is legislating or enforcing 'normal' modes of behavior on the outliers.

That all has something to do with this topic. You can make the connections if you're smaht enough.
 
2012-09-18 11:46:08 PM  

Aussie_As: drayno76: BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.

So you're extending the classification of sex offender to Dads who take dance classes with their daughters? Sorry dude, dance is an art form. There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual and many which are hyper sexual..

Your arguement would be much stronger if many conservative Christian churches hadn't banned dancing among their congregations on the basis that it is a sex metaphor. You're statement is perfectly correct to me as a liberal, but to an old-timey Methodist you're completely wrong. Not your fault, sure, but you've been set up by stupid Christians.


Christians are morons. Don't let their idiocy cloud your ability to evaluate concepts objectively.
 
2012-09-18 11:48:22 PM  
You know, right before a lot of units deploy, they have Father/Daughter dances, so the soldiers or Marines who are leaving for 7 months to a year can have a night with their daughters, all spiffed up in their dress blues. They're a really nice event. The ACLU really needs to chill out.
 
2012-09-18 11:49:17 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Jesus. I didn't know this weirdo Oedipal shiat was so common. I'm relieved I never had to deal with community-sanctioned opposite-sex parental dating, and I know my folks are too.

Did this come from Kahzakstani immigrants?


images.starpulse.com
 
2012-09-18 11:49:55 PM  

devildog123: You know, right before a lot of units deploy, they have Father/Daughter dances, so the soldiers or Marines who are leaving for 7 months to a year can have a night with their daughters, all spiffed up in their dress blues. They're a really nice event. The ACLU really needs to chill out.


That sounds terribly ... dusty. I hope they call come back too and have another dance when their parents come back.
 
2012-09-18 11:50:11 PM  

skullkrusher: BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.

masturbation:

[www.pinstripemag.com image 600x415]


Well, that's not exactly how I do it, but I'm not as flexible as I used to be.
 
2012-09-18 11:50:37 PM  

Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.

Swing and a miss. Liberal from New Jersey here. Being a liberal should not mean blind allegiance to PC nonsense from the ACLU.


I did not say you were a conservative. I said you share one of their worst qualities.
 
2012-09-18 11:51:41 PM  

MoeSzyslak: mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.

Yeah, aren't you tired of all these racist conservatives with all their racist assumptions about people they know nothing about? I sure am. Who cares what those racists think or have to say anyways? I just can't believe they can find the time to biatch about the ACLU what with all gay bashing they must be constantly engaged in.


Are you trying to make a point here? Because what you're doing is illustrating how not to make a point while thinking you're clever for doing it.
 
Ook
2012-09-18 11:51:54 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Aussie_As: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Typical. Woman can't keep a husband and decides to ruin everyone else's fun. Congratulations.

Uuh, no. School banned daughter from participating. School's fault, not mother's. Not to say the ACLU is right though. But it's not wrong either.

of course the aclu is wrong. there is no right to attend the dance. not everything in life is equal or fair and childhood is the best time to learn it.

aclu knows if the threaten to sue the school the school will back down and the aclu gets their name in the national media yet again.

the aclu has replaced the mob in shaking down the neighborhood for "protection money"


If the school is a public school it's an extension of the government, and they have to be "equal and fair" that's the whole point.

if a private dance club doesn't let me in I go to another club. Where's this girl supposed to go? Canada?
 
2012-09-18 11:53:01 PM  

mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.

Swing and a miss. Liberal from New Jersey here. Being a liberal should not mean blind allegiance to PC nonsense from the ACLU.

I did not say you were a conservative. I said you share one of their worst qualities.


like their tendency to generalize?
 
2012-09-18 11:53:02 PM  

mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.

Swing and a miss. Liberal from New Jersey here. Being a liberal should not mean blind allegiance to PC nonsense from the ACLU.

I did not say you were a conservative. I said you share one of their worst qualities.


Moderation in belief?
 
2012-09-18 11:53:19 PM  

RoyBatty: This is why we can't have nice things.


Like your daughter?
 
2012-09-18 11:53:59 PM  

mat catastrophe: MoeSzyslak: mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.

Yeah, aren't you tired of all these racist conservatives with all their racist assumptions about people they know nothing about? I sure am. Who cares what those racists think or have to say anyways? I just can't believe they can find the time to biatch about the ACLU what with all gay bashing they must be constantly engaged in.

Are you trying to make a point here? Because what you're doing is illustrating how not to make a point while thinking you're clever for doing it.


Just put his racist ass on ignore. He does nothing but make conservative racist assumptions.
 
2012-09-18 11:54:48 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Aussie_As: drayno76: BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.

So you're extending the classification of sex offender to Dads who take dance classes with their daughters? Sorry dude, dance is an art form. There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual and many which are hyper sexual..

Your arguement would be much stronger if many conservative Christian churches hadn't banned dancing among their congregations on the basis that it is a sex metaphor. You're statement is perfectly correct to me as a liberal, but to an old-timey Methodist you're completely wrong. Not your fault, sure, but you've been set up by stupid Christians.

Christians are morons. Don't let their idiocy cloud your ability to evaluate concepts objectively.


I never would. And it's reasonable to point out that the majority of Christians don't oppose dancing. And I definitely wouldn't recommend dancing in Iran or Afghanistan, and that's got nothing to do with Christians. The point of my post was that some folks will regard these events as creepy, and the basis on which they do this is the church/mosque-based espousals which resonate in some communities.
 
2012-09-18 11:55:45 PM  

Eleri: kiwimoogle84: Farklee: Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.

Hey I'm TF and I'm incredibly anti ACLU.

At some point when the given population of any group HAD to be a certain percentage X and X and Y, jobs and opportunities were being given to people not because they were qualified, but because of the color of their skin. It's white supremacy backwards.

Can't a greeter in Walmart wish someone merry Christmas without that person suing? If someone wished me happy Kwanzaa I wouldn't be aghast and in shock. Jesus Christ.

By ensuring EVERYONE has freedoms, now no one does.

Thanks, ACLU.

I do have a question. From your example it appears your in the same boat as most people who dislike the ACLU. That is, your examples have nothing to do with constitutional rights that the ACLU cares about. Would you care to give some actual examples or merely a coherent explanation behind your posititon? I have you marked as intelligent, so I'm honestly curious.


Here's my belief in a nutshell.

I'm an odd bird politically. I believe and support things all over the map. I am absolutely in favor of equality. Slavery and segregation was bad, as was the KKK. I support gay marriage and rights for everyone.

However.

I think it's gone too far. The right to swing my fist end where the other man's nose begins, right? Why are women allowed a women only gym but men can't have men only gyms without women suing?

I am absolutely all for anyone who is qualified to have what they are entitled to. And they should be able to. But when you take a basic principle like this- a friend of mine was an HR manager. She hires 10 people for a new hire class. If she hired 10 white people because they were the most qualified, she'd get the pants sued off of her. She has to hire at least 3 minorities, even if they don't have the same skills. This isn't ok.

I'm totally fine with all religions having the ability to express the freedom of worship. But I don't think my Jewish neighbor should be able to complain about my Christmas tree when I don't complain about her menorah.

Everyone should be free to do what they want to do without fear of "offending" people. My thing is respect of all people.

I love the movie Crash for this. "So what you're saying is that you're mad because the white waitress didn't pour coffee you didn't order?" "she gave us crappy service because she knows black guys don't tip." "how much did you tip her?" "I wasn't gonna tip for that crappy service!"

What a nightmare.

I'm rambling.

In short, I think people should celebrate their differences and respect everyone else for theirs. Everyone will always be offended by something, so eventually we'll have nothing so no one will be offended.

/end threadjack
//heading to bed, hope that cleared it up a little?
/thanks for the complimentary farkie
 
2012-09-18 11:56:06 PM  
I bet a Father/Daughter dance in Detroit would be a very lonely event.
 
2012-09-18 11:56:25 PM  

kiwimoogle84: cig-mkr: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)

Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.

What can I say? I live on the edge.

There is no hetero parade. There is no white history month. If I wish the wrong person merry Christmas I'll get sued. Yet there's a black history month and gay pride parade.

Not saying that's wrong. But we've gone past equality, here.




Also, there are several "white history months". January and march through December, if you were curious.
 
2012-09-18 11:57:47 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: mat catastrophe: MoeSzyslak: mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.

Yeah, aren't you tired of all these racist conservatives with all their racist assumptions about people they know nothing about? I sure am. Who cares what those racists think or have to say anyways? I just can't believe they can find the time to biatch about the ACLU what with all gay bashing they must be constantly engaged in.

Are you trying to make a point here? Because what you're doing is illustrating how not to make a point while thinking you're clever for doing it.

Just put his racist ass on ignore. He does nothing but make conservative racist assumptions.


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/raciss!
 
2012-09-18 11:58:28 PM  

twat_waffle: kiwimoogle84: cig-mkr: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)

Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.

What can I say? I live on the edge.

There is no hetero parade. There is no white history month. If I wish the wrong person merry Christmas I'll get sued. Yet there's a black history month and gay pride parade.

Not saying that's wrong. But we've gone past equality, here.



Also, there are several "white history months". January and march through December, if you were curious.


Just like every station other than BET and ESPN are white tv stations, amirite??
 
2012-09-18 11:59:41 PM  
I see this as the liberals being so blindly liberal they act with conservative consequences.
Happens more and more these days.
 
2012-09-19 12:01:21 AM  

RoyBatty: Because dancing can't be about art or passion.


Yeah. Of course. We're talking about Twyla Tharpe and Gregory Hines here, not about talentless suburban adult men slow-dancing face-to-face with their grade-school daughters.
 
2012-09-19 12:03:41 AM  
So instead of making it a parent-child dance or something, the schools decided to take their ball, go home, and complain about how the evil ACLU took away their god-given right to restrict access to public school events to any student depending on their family status?

Christ, what a bunch of assholes.
 
2012-09-19 12:05:06 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Because dancing can't be about art or passion.

Yeah. Of course. We're talking about Twyla Tharpe and Gregory Hines here, not about talentless suburban adult men slow-dancing face-to-face with their grade-school daughters.


I bet you dial "91" whenever you see a man watching a kid at the playground or play roughhouse with a one.
 
2012-09-19 12:07:14 AM  

Pichu0102: So instead of making it a parent-child dance or something, the schools decided to take their ball, go home, and complain about how the evil ACLU took away their god-given right to restrict access to public school events to any student depending on their family status?

Christ, what a bunch of assholes.


Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
 
2012-09-19 12:08:28 AM  

super_grass: I bet you dial "91"


Yeah. I do. But nobody ever answers.

Welcome to Obama's Amerikka.
 
2012-09-19 12:11:17 AM  

kiwimoogle84: cig-mkr: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)

Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.

What can I say? I live on the edge.

There is no hetero parade. There is no white history month. If I wish the wrong person merry Christmas I'll get sued. Yet there's a black history month and gay pride parade.

Not saying that's wrong. But we've gone past equality, here.


OK off the top of your head list 20 gay people in history.(no googling) Now name 50 white males from history.....
If you really need a white pride parade to celebrate your whiteness then just march in the St. Patty's Day parade.,,,
 
2012-09-19 12:11:59 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Because dancing can't be about art or passion.

Yeah. Of course. We're talking about Twyla Tharpe and Gregory Hines here, not about talentless suburban adult men slow-dancing face-to-face with their grade-school daughters.


Stop shoveling it, I can't imagine you believe you're making a serious argument.

You do remind me of a "after divorce marriage counselor" my ex took me too. This born again Christian was there to tell me (Jewish) that I couldn't give my six year old daughter a shoulder ride, because *gasp*, and this is a literal quote:

"Her vagina is too close to your neck"

www4.images.coolspotters.com

So keep peddling that message that daddies dancing with their daughters is about sex.

Yay! You've earned a favorite. How special.

Keep fighting the good fight for progressives with such messaging, but I'll warn you, it's bad news for Obama that you do so.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-19 12:14:09 AM  

kiwimoogle84: cig-mkr: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.


i.imgur.com

But some of your friends are black, right?

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)

Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.

What can I say? I live on the edge.

There is no hetero parade. There is no white history month. If I wish the wrong person merry Christmas I'll get sued. Yet there's a black history month and gay pride parade.


Yes, because it's well known that in the US, white people are openly discriminated against. In the past, racial segregation was practised. This allowed all the coloured people the prime seats at the back of the bus.

And gays have always had it easy. It's not as if their group has ever been discriminated against by WASPs.

Not saying that's wrong. But we've gone past equality, here.

Well, the reasons for gay pride parades and black history month is that those segments of society were traditionally discriminated against by the straight, white majority. Would you not get a bit of a buzz from being able to, having been denied the right by social mores, display your identity, openly?
 
2012-09-19 12:14:24 AM  

RoyBatty: but I'll warn you, it's bad news for Obama


ZLOL!
 
2012-09-19 12:15:02 AM  
As a Rhode Island native and resident I find this slightly amusing. Amusing in that the state and it's cities and towns get all constitutional minded but heaven help our farking legislature, particularly the Senate from granting the last measure of equality to gay and lesbian people.
 
2012-09-19 12:15:21 AM  

mat catastrophe: MoeSzyslak: mat catastrophe: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

You only call it PC because you don't agree with it.

And, like most conservatives, you make the grossly arrogant assumption that your personal experiences supersede all other personal experiences.

Yeah, aren't you tired of all these racist conservatives with all their racist assumptions about people they know nothing about? I sure am. Who cares what those racists think or have to say anyways? I just can't believe they can find the time to biatch about the ACLU what with all gay bashing they must be constantly engaged in.

Are you trying to make a point here? Because what you're doing is illustrating how not to make a point while thinking you're clever for doing it.


Way to shiat on your own point before even making it. As to my point, making assumptions and questioning motives seems to be liberal's stock in trade these days.
 
2012-09-19 12:15:32 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Because dancing can't be about art or passion.

Yeah. Of course. We're talking about Twyla Tharpe and Gregory Hines here, not about talentless suburban adult men slow-dancing face-to-face with their grade-school daughters.


which isn't weird or creepy unless you are prone to incestuous dreams of pedophilia. So... are you?
 
2012-09-19 12:15:43 AM  

phunkey_monkey: cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.

Ladies night has been illegal in California for a long time.


I bet that it's still alive and kicking at the bearded clam.
 
2012-09-19 12:19:32 AM  
I would need two dances. And then the argument over who went first.

/twin daughters
 
2012-09-19 12:20:12 AM  
I'm normally in favor of the ACLU, but this is just a travesty.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to say that, in the absence of a father figure, the mother may attend the function with their daughter? And the same case for the mother-son activities. And there ARE mother-son dances, so this really isn't a matter of gender stereotyping as they've claimed.

Stupid. It's just stupid.
 
2012-09-19 12:21:55 AM  

skullkrusher: BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Because dancing can't be about art or passion.

Yeah. Of course. We're talking about Twyla Tharpe and Gregory Hines here, not about talentless suburban adult men slow-dancing face-to-face with their grade-school daughters.

which isn't weird or creepy unless you are prone to incestuous dreams of pedophilia. So... are you?


Friend, that's a rather personal question, the answer to which I haven't yet even shared with my parole officer.
 
2012-09-19 12:24:41 AM  
I know this is insane, but how about if you don't have a dad, then you don't get to participate in the father/daughter dance? Just like if you don't make good grades you don't get on the honor roll, or if you aren't athletic you don't get to be quarterback?
 
2012-09-19 12:26:07 AM  
My rebel mom took me to "father/daugher kite flying day" when I was 8 or so (mid 70s). Dad was pre-occupied, mom stepped up. as she'd done so often. Mom was a fox - none of the dads minded.

She had a bit of the "Harper Valley PTA" thing going on.

The picture of mom and me working a kite is in a book now, about changing norms of family (don't have the link handy). A professional photographer was on site that day and I guess felt the need to throw some diversity into the mix. I have the book, thus the picture, but not scanned. Thin, curvy brunette mom with her curly haired daughter building a kite. We were the third ones to get our kite in the air - dozens of father/child combos followed us.

Mom rocked.

/RIP
 
2012-09-19 12:27:33 AM  

kiwimoogle84: Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.


As a middle-class, heterosexual, white male, this is nonsense. We have the least overt privilege because the policies which used to benefit us directly have been rightfully stripped away to be replaced by laws which seek to curtail discriminatory practices. You would think for all of the subtle privilege we have amassed over a history of discrimination which has placed our families generally in better financial and education positions as well as culturally aligned with the mannerisms of affluence we would be less prone to f*cking whining.

Oh no! A black student gets a scholarship I do not have access to which was devised to increase minority enrollment and graduation rates considering there is no reason for lower educational attainment amongst blacks except for complex, interacting sociohistorical factors. I'll survive because, as Louis C.K. said, "I am not saying white people are better, I am saying being white is clearly better."
 
2012-09-19 12:29:42 AM  

punkwrestler: kiwimoogle84: cig-mkr: kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: Farklee: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Of course your little tongue and cheeky gets a little racy. You think you are immune from reproach because who you voted for, don't ya?

I'm just making fun of my own race. The only race, I might add, that we're still allowed to joke about.

That I DO understand.

Middle class heterosexual white men have the least privileges these days. It's like, if I want to be proud to be pasty, I might get arrested.

Don't be hating on my drummers though. :)

Last time I said that on Fark, I got hammered.

What can I say? I live on the edge.

There is no hetero parade. There is no white history month. If I wish the wrong person merry Christmas I'll get sued. Yet there's a black history month and gay pride parade.

Not saying that's wrong. But we've gone past equality, here.

OK off the top of your head list 20 gay people in history.(no googling) Now name 50 white males from history.....
If you really need a white pride parade to celebrate your whiteness then just march in the St. Patty's Day parade.,,,


So white males shouldn't be allowed celebrate their contributions to society and their historical accomplishments because there are so many? That makes sense. So ignore the fact a bunch of honkeys hopped on a boat and started a farking country from the ground up. Let's ignore the scientific advances, the political advances, art, literature, everything that was created, thought up, discovered or conquered by any man that's white because it happened too many times. That is what we are calling equality now? MECHA and the NAACP are OK but God forbid I start a group called the NAAWP that has the exact same agenda as the other groups because I am the white devil. You can't have it both ways.
 
2012-09-19 12:32:12 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I know this is insane, but how about if you don't have a dad, then you don't get to participate in the father/daughter dance? Just like if you don't make good grades you don't get on the honor roll, or if you aren't athletic you don't get to be quarterback?


Totally! Or if your family is f*cked up and don't support you and you have to stay back a year and never learn long division or how to read a job application? Or if you're ugly and don't have friends? SUCK. IT. UP.

Just like all the freeloading whelps whose mothers refuse to direct Esmerelda to pack them a bento box lunch each day and therefor have to mooch free tater tots and pizza off our taxpayer dime.
 
2012-09-19 12:34:43 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I know this is insane, but how about if you don't have a dad, then you don't get to participate in the father/daughter dance? Just like if you don't make good grades you don't get on the honor roll, or if you aren't athletic you don't get to be quarterback?

Totally! Or if your family is f*cked up and don't support you and you have to stay back a year and never learn long division or how to read a job application? Or if you're ugly and don't have friends? SUCK. IT. UP.

Just like all the freeloading whelps whose mothers refuse to direct Esmerelda to pack them a bento box lunch each day and therefor have to mooch free tater tots and pizza off our taxpayer dime.


Do what, now?
 
2012-09-19 12:37:20 AM  

kiwimoogle84: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

I'm sure you're trolling, but honestly? Why couldn't they allow the mom to attend the dance with the daughter? Why attack something someone else gets when you can't have it? RGG. Take an uncle to the dance or something. Don't halt a time honored tradition because one single person went boohoo.

PUSSIFICATION

OF

AMERICA.



Time-honored tradition? Huh, I must have grown up in a different USA than you cause I've never even heard of this crap. Sounds...weird to me. Not creepy like that symbolic marriage stuff those promise ring weirdos do, but still...weird.
 
2012-09-19 12:42:13 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Do what, now?


Tater Tots. From Ore-Ida.
 
2012-09-19 12:42:16 AM  

Doubletwist-: I'm normally in favor of the ACLU, but this is just a travesty.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to say that, in the absence of a father figure, the mother may attend the function with their daughter? And the same case for the mother-son activities. And there ARE mother-son dances, so this really isn't a matter of gender stereotyping as they've claimed.

Stupid. It's just stupid.


Did you not read this part?

[Parent-teacher organizations] remain free to hold family dances and other events, but the time has long since passed for public school resources to encourage stereotyping from the days of Ozzie and Harriet. Not every girl today is interested in growing up to be Cinderella -- not even in Cranston. In fact, one of them might make a great major league baseball player someday.

Dances are fine. Restricting access based on gender of the student or parent is not.
 
2012-09-19 12:44:51 AM  

titwrench: MECHA and the NAACP are OK but God forbid I start a group called the NAAWP that has the exact same agenda as the other groups because I am the white devil. You can't have it both ways.


Yes, you can, and here is why you are mistaken on the entire rest of your post. White people do not need groups or a focus on contributions specific to white people. White people are part of the dominant culture who have created the history books, social clubs, etc., of the United States and much of the postindustrialized world. The accomplishments of white people are great and many but you would be hard pressed to find examples of those made despite any discrimination towards whites. We celebrate other peoples explicitly to enter those into our common culture because history has long been written in a narrow way.
 
2012-09-19 12:49:54 AM  

Aussie_As: drayno76: BuckTurgidson: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
www.trbimg.com
And just a little creepy.

Christ, this.

Dancing is and has always been a sex metaphor.

So you're extending the classification of sex offender to Dads who take dance classes with their daughters? Sorry dude, dance is an art form. There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual and many which are hyper sexual..

Your arguement would be much stronger if many conservative Christian churches hadn't banned dancing among their congregations on the basis that it is a sex metaphor. You're statement is perfectly correct to me as a liberal, but to an old-timey Methodist you're completely wrong. Not your fault, sure, but you've been set up by stupid Christians.


Try again. Methodists are the relative liberals of the Protestant world when it comes to things like dancing, at least here in the Southern US. Methodist congregations are where you will see a better mix of races and cultures, more modern and upbeat music, and open mindedness about current issues. They still skew right-wing as a whole, but they are generally much more open and accepting than other Protestant sects.

You may be thinking of the old-school Bible-thumping Baptists and the Pentecostals when it comes to no dancing. The Holiness sects (the ones you see making their women wear dresses instead of pants and forbidding them to cut their hair) won't even let men and women pray together.

I've always felt that kind of crap resulted from a sect founder using religion to foist his own insecurities on his congregation, and it somehow stayed in the bylaws.
 
2012-09-19 12:50:35 AM  
Here's a crazy idea, how about we use our public schools to yeah math and shiat, and can all this "father daughter dance" nonsense altogether?
 
2012-09-19 12:56:10 AM  
Last I checked, the ACLU does not make laws in Rhode Island, or anywhere else for that matter; legislatures do. Perhaps complaints are most appropriately directed at the Rhode Island legislators who passed the specific state law in question. The fact that the ACLU might choose to defend a law on the books is irrelevant to the existence of such laws. Those who actually control laws might consider changing the ones they think are inappropriate, rather than whining like little biatches when the laws they make or leave in place actually get enforced.

Now, if it's a question of interpretation, that's for a higher court to decide -- but again, not the ACLU or anyone else not empowered to do so. I actually know people in Rhode Island who have some pretty interesting ideas about what certain laws mean. Those people are free to advance their notions, and hire counsel to do so on their behalf. But that's still irrelevant to the existence and meaning of any laws that exist, as that is strictly the purview of legislatures and courts.
 
2012-09-19 12:56:34 AM  

Cthulhain: Aussie_As: drayno76:
....

Try again. Methodists are the relative liberals of the Protestant world when it comes to things like dancing, at least here in the Southern US. Methodist congregations are where you will see a better mix of races and cultures, more modern and upbeat music, and open mindedness about current issues. They still skew right-wing as a whole, but they are generally much more open and accepting than other Protestant sects.

You may be thinking of the old-school Bible-thumping Baptists and the Pentecostals when it comes to no dancing. The Holiness sects (the ones you see making their women wear dresses instead of pants and forbidding them to cut their hair) won't even let men and women pray together.

I've always felt that kind of crap resulted from a sect founder using religion to foist his own insecurities on his congregation, and it somehow stayed in the bylaws.


Uuh, no you try again. Methodists don't just exist in the US. And they certainly didn't originate there. I have no experience of American Methodists. But in the country where I live, Methodists banned dancing and these bans extended in many places until very modern times, and as I correctly noted, many old timey Methodists opposed their lifting.

There's a thing called Google you ought to try.
 
2012-09-19 12:59:17 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: PLEASE tell me the school is just overreacting and the ACLU just asked that she be allowed to attend with her daughter or something like that.


Reading between the lines, what I'm getting is that someone's running for office and looking to run an issue campaign, since that's easier than a normal campaign where you have to have ideas and answer questions and all that boring hard stuff.

/15 years in Rhode Island - when in doubt, assume the worst and you'll usually be right
 
2012-09-19 01:01:41 AM  

cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.


Yes, this single mom and her daughter are suffering the same indignity as Rosa Parks.

This bs diminishes the ACLU and the TRUE ideology of civil rights.
 
2012-09-19 01:02:21 AM  

Vangor: titwrench: MECHA and the NAACP are OK but God forbid I start a group called the NAAWP that has the exact same agenda as the other groups because I am the white devil. You can't have it both ways.

Yes, you can, and here is why you are mistaken on the entire rest of your post. White people do not need groups or a focus on contributions specific to white people. White people are part of the dominant culture who have created the history books, social clubs, etc., of the United States and much of the postindustrialized world. The accomplishments of white people are great and many but you would be hard pressed to find examples of those made despite any discrimination towards whites. We celebrate other peoples explicitly to enter those into our common culture because history has long been written in a narrow way.


Accomplishments, acts of valor, contributions to the betterment of mankind should not be discounted just because a perception that someone had it easier because of the color of their skin. Tell Mark Twain his contribution to literature doesn't mean as much as Alex Haley because he was white and therefore it was easier for him to create great literature. Was Benjamin Franklin's contribution to the freedom of our country less impressive or important than Martin Luther King or Cesar Chavez because he was white? No and the sooner people realize that and stop trying to compartmentalize themselves and whine and cry that their group isn't getting enough attention the sooner we can get to know each other as people and not groups and just get the fark along.
 
2012-09-19 01:04:02 AM  

titwrench: should not be discounted just because a perception that someone had it easier because of the color of their skin.


Oh, I see you. You have the same argument ready no matter what I wrote. Have fun with this whole "not reading" thing. Sure you'll do whites proud.
 
2012-09-19 01:04:18 AM  
This is an outrage! We should protest by stoming the Rhode Island embassy and kiiling the infidels!!

My precious snowflake couldn't go to a party,'cuz I don't know who the daddy is #RhodeIslandRage
 
2012-09-19 01:06:48 AM  
Awww, damnit...

KyDave: kiiling killing the infidels!!

FTFM

Don't need no stinkin' preview
 
2012-09-19 01:07:45 AM  

tjfly: This bs diminishes the ACLU and the TRUE ideology of civil rights.


Oh, please DO enlighten us by defining that TRUE ideology of civil rights!
 
2012-09-19 01:09:04 AM  

Aussie_As:

Uuh, no you try again. Methodists don't just exist in the US. And they certainly didn't originate there. I have no experience of American Methodists. But in the country where I live, Methodists banned dancing and these bans extended in many places until very modern times, and as I correctly noted, many old timey Methodists opposed their lifting.

There's a thing called Google you ought to try.


So let me get this straight, in a discussion about religion and dancing that stemmed from an article set in the US, I'm supposed to already know you were speaking of Methodists in your country instead of here? Granted, I could have inferred it from your handle but you came to our table on this one and didn't set any distinction. What do Aussie religious groups have to do with American issues?

To put it another way, I don't go into a thread about kangaroos rampaging across Queensland and bring up our lack of marsupials in the US as a major point of discussion. I'd rightly be branded a drooling retard for that.

Maybe you should be the one Googling so you'll realize that yes, here in the US Methodists (for example) can indeed be better citizens than those in other countries, and get over your butt-hurt.
 
2012-09-19 01:10:42 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

Same here. No dad in the picture, but I never gave a shiat about father/son activities at shool.


Hey, here's a concept: Quit being a biatch, and maybe you could hold on to a man.
 
2012-09-19 01:15:27 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I know this is insane, but how about if you don't have a dad, then you don't get to participate in the father/daughter dance? Just like if you don't make good grades you don't get on the honor roll, or if you aren't athletic you don't get to be quarterback?


There can be excellent reasons to exclude folks from certain roles. It's for the good of the kids working hard on the football team that the most appropriate quarterback is selected (on athletic ability and teamsmanship, hopefully). It's for the good of the school, the state and the nation that kids with intellectual ability are encouraged to work that bit harder to get on the honor roll, as their talents will be put to the best use down the track this way.

Who benefits from kids without dads being excluded from a frigging dance? No one. Just as no one benefits from black kids needing to use a separate water fountain or sit up the back of the bus. Promoting participation is good, even though this sometimes mean some folks miss out. Exclusion for no positive reason is horrible for those involved. It can be a tightrope to make these decisions sometimes (in the case of scholarships for minorities, for example, where some decisions appear to be exclusionary but they are for the overall good of the community), but the school here just farked up.
 
2012-09-19 01:15:43 AM  

Cthulhain: Googling


Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.

Also:

To put it another way, I don't go into a thread about kangaroos rampaging across Queensland and bring up our lack of marsupials in the US as a major point of discussion. I'd rightly be branded a drooling retard for that.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.
 
2012-09-19 01:17:07 AM  

Some people in this thread really need to read this book ... sheesh ... "white" people are discriminated against ... are you farking serious?? Really, some of you are *REALLY* going to make that argument?


www.brettyasko.com
 
2012-09-19 01:17:53 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Googling

Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.

Also:

To put it another way, I don't go into a thread about kangaroos rampaging across Queensland and bring up our lack of marsupials in the US as a major point of discussion. I'd rightly be branded a drooling retard for that.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.


No apparently this is about my butthurt and these facts have no place in this discussion. Thanks for your effort though, greatly appreciated.
 
2012-09-19 01:19:12 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Last I checked, the ACLU does not make laws in Rhode Island, or anywhere else for that matter; legislatures do. Perhaps complaints are most appropriately directed at the Rhode Island legislators who passed the specific state law in question. The fact that the ACLU might choose to defend a law on the books is irrelevant to the existence of such laws. Those who actually control laws might consider changing the ones they think are inappropriate, rather than whining like little biatches when the laws they make or leave in place actually get enforced.

Now, if it's a question of interpretation, that's for a higher court to decide -- but again, not the ACLU or anyone else not empowered to do so. I actually know people in Rhode Island who have some pretty interesting ideas about what certain laws mean. Those people are free to advance their notions, and hire counsel to do so on their behalf. But that's still irrelevant to the existence and meaning of any laws that exist, as that is strictly the purview of legislatures and courts.


The complaint is also with what the ACLU chooses to go after AND what they choose not to.

The ACLU does have limited resources, their choice to go after one thing means they forego going after something else. They have been attacked in the past (by members of their board of directors, by other liberals and civil libertarians) of tempering their attacks on issues that would alienate donors and funders. http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/20/aclu-free-speech-opinions-contributor s-blasphemy.html and of defending the first amendment unreliably and ignoring the second amendment: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/02/free-speech-free-m arkets-and-barriers-to-civil-liberties-coalitions/71315/
 
2012-09-19 01:19:19 AM  
Good. This father-daughter shiat is creepy and patriarchal, it doesn't need government approval. They can hold it at a church for fark's sake.

Farklee: LibsLibsLibs.jpg

When your daughter is being asked to wear a hijab at a majoity-Muslim public school, you'll be glad the ACLU steps in.
 
2012-09-19 01:20:23 AM  
Hey look, it's another thread full of blithering, spittle-flecked ACLU hate. All completely ridiculous and pretty much incorrect in their arguments.
 
2012-09-19 01:21:39 AM  

RoyBatty: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

What does that have to do with anything?

"Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that some families aren't smarter than others, or more talented, or stronger, or more coordinated, so it's time for everyone to start wearing Diana Moon Glampers's mental handicap boxes."

And if a single mother or any mother wanted to dance with her daughter at a father daughter dance, do you think anyone would care?


So we change it to a "parent-daughter" dance. Or have a "mother-son" dance the next night. Or any of half a dozen easy compromises I can think of.

One of these days, the courts are going to shut down courthouses in YOUR state, and you'll have no recourse for these petty little squabbles, and be forced into mediation, and then...THEN...I'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
 
2012-09-19 01:21:53 AM  
I'm not really very PC, but I've found it really misguided when my kids' schools hold these sort of things. I can go (but frankly it is kinda a creepy idea really), but we always know a few kids who "don't have" dads for various reasons, including some with dads serving overseas and one where the dad died of cancer. Basically, it is a big reminder "you don't have a dad".

I mean, really think about that -- you're telling a kid that they can't come to a party because they don't have a dad. That's it. All the rest of the context boils down to that statement, and it is pretty indefensible.

The stupidity, I think, is that there is no valid social or educational reason for a school to hold such a thing, so I think the hurt caused is unnecessary.
 
2012-09-19 01:25:24 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Googling

Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.


How awesome of you to take something out of context and use it as an argument. That paragraph describes worship attitudes, i.e. dancing down the aisles during worship service is frowned upon, as it is in most non-charismatic churches here. Men and women dancing together at a dancing event is not only fine, it's something the local Methodist churches host from time to time. Once again, you are trying to foist your narrow experience on us "Dumb 'Mericans" like the nationalist, douchbag assclown you obviously are.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.

And reading comprehension fail for the lose. I said "lack of" not "we have none". Jesus H. Christ in a Cadillac, you're a farking moron and a half. Here, just in case you really did fail the third grade three times as it appears right now:

lack [læk]
n
1. an insufficiency, shortage, or absence of something required or desired
 

Son, if you don't have the mental capacity to have a rational discussion with an adult, you really should go back to school.
 
2012-09-19 01:28:45 AM  
And now I'M the retard. BuckTurgidson, you obviously aren't an Aussie. The rest of what I wrote to you applies though. :-)
 
2012-09-19 01:30:16 AM  

Aussie_As: BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Googling

Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.

Also:

To put it another way, I don't go into a thread about kangaroos rampaging across Queensland and bring up our lack of marsupials in the US as a major point of discussion. I'd rightly be branded a drooling retard for that.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.

No apparently this is about my butthurt and these facts have no place in this discussion. Thanks for your effort though, greatly appreciated.


See my comment to BuckTurgidson which partly applies to you. I was retarded for replying to both of you in one post, but otherwise, yeah you're a douche. But at least you can admit it.
 
2012-09-19 01:31:00 AM  

tjfly: cman: ACLU kinda does have a point. Stupid as it may be, it is consistent with civil rights ideology.

/Next thing you know Ladies Night will be targeted next.

Yes, this single mom and her daughter are suffering the same indignity as Rosa Parks.

This bs diminishes the ACLU and the TRUE ideology of civil rights.


Umm, if you're referring to the specific incident of not being allowed to sit in the front of the bus because of something you can't help about yourself, then yes this is the same indignity.

Basically you're being told "you can't do X because we arbitrarily don't like Y about you" is pretty clear cut discrimination.

I'm sure the kid in the article doesn't face the same discrimination through her entire life, and of course sustained discrimination is more serious in aggregate, but as an incident in isolation, yes it is very comparable.
 
2012-09-19 01:31:00 AM  
There is a difference between genders.

Male, female.

Who cares if a mother/father shows up at a father/mother dance. I can assure you no one thier cares.

The dance is about the kids...but leave it for the 1 idiot to ruin it for the rest of us.
 
2012-09-19 01:32:39 AM  

Cthulhain: Jesus H. Christ in a Cadillac, you're a farking moron and a half....Son, if you don't have the mental capacity to have a rational discussion with an adult, you really should go back to school.


You are everything humanity has learned to expect from a Christian - in this case, a Methodist. The day is yours, sir!
 
2012-09-19 01:34:14 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Jesus H. Christ in a Cadillac, you're a farking moron and a half....Son, if you don't have the mental capacity to have a rational discussion with an adult, you really should go back to school.

You are everything humanity has learned to expect from a Christian - in this case, a Methodist. The day is yours, sir!


And when did I ever claim to be a Christian? I happen to have a lot of experience with Methodists via Christian friends, but I don't belong to any religion. Nice try though. :-)
 
2012-09-19 01:35:43 AM  

Cthulhain: BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: Googling

Google: United States Methodists Dancing
First hit:

As a reaction to paid musicians in the Methodist Church, early Free Methodists enjoyed a cappella congregational hymns during worship. However, the General Conference of 1943 voted to allow each Conference to vote on whether or not their churches could have instrumental music.[15] As a result, pianos and organs became common across most conferences. Currently, many churches have worship teams composed of vocalists, drums, keyboards, guitars, and other instruments. Although the music is evolving, attitudes toward dancing are still negative.

How awesome of you to take something out of context and use it as an argument. That paragraph describes worship attitudes, i.e. dancing down the aisles during worship service is frowned upon, as it is in most non-charismatic churches here. Men and women dancing together at a dancing event is not only fine, it's something the local Methodist churches host from time to time. Once again, you are trying to foist your narrow experience on us "Dumb 'Mericans" like the nationalist, douchbag assclown you obviously are.

The opossum is, in fact, a marsupial.

And reading comprehension fail for the lose. I said "lack of" not "we have none". Jesus H. Christ in a Cadillac, you're a farking moron and a half. Here, just in case you really did fail the third grade three times as it appears right now:

lack [læk]
n
1. an insufficiency, shortage, or absence of something required or desired 

Son, if you don't have the mental capacity to have a rational discussion with an adult, you really should go back to school.


Well there's still this one which was the first result I got when I searched 'US Methodists Dance Ban', which is still correct if you define 'old-timey' as being in the 1920's, which I think is not unreasonable.

I take it you're a Methodist?
 
2012-09-19 01:36:46 AM  

Cthulhain: yeah you're a douche


Um ... is it too late to choose from buggerers, bulldykes, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, mugs, pugs, and thugs?
 
2012-09-19 01:39:02 AM  

Aussie_As:

Well there's still this one which was the first result I got when I searched 'US Methodists Dance Ban', which is still correct if you define 'old-timey' as being in the 1920's, which I think is not unreasonable.


That's the thing, times change and tired old useless "laws" get changed or left behind. It's called progress, and there are a few sects here in the US that are slowly becoming tolerable.

I take it you're a Methodist?

If you haven't already picked it up from my blasphemous ranting or from correcting BuckTurgidson's similar assumption, no I am not religious at all. I do like to study it though, and I do have several friends of different faiths I've learned a lot from. If I were a Methodist, I probably wouldn't talk about it on Fark of all places.
 
2012-09-19 01:39:43 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: yeah you're a douche

Um ... is it too late to choose from buggerers, bulldykes, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, mugs, pugs, and thugs?


As long as you have enough gum for everybody, you're good to go.
 
2012-09-19 01:40:10 AM  

Aussie_As: I take it you're a Methodist?


No, he is now a self-professed troll whose future work, alas, shall henceforth be all the less visible.
 
2012-09-19 01:41:45 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Do what, now?

Tater Tots. From Ore-Ida.


Are tater tots some secret HH or 88 thing with Nazis? I only ask because since I've moved to Portland it seems like everyone loves tater tots. Not like everyone loves corn on the cob or something, but tater tots beat up all fast foot.

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but what if Ore-Ida is some creepy demon lovechild of Oregon and Idaho. What then?
 
2012-09-19 01:42:03 AM  

Cthulhain: Aussie_As:

Well there's still this one which was the first result I got when I searched 'US Methodists Dance Ban', which is still correct if you define 'old-timey' as being in the 1920's, which I think is not unreasonable.

That's the thing, times change and tired old useless "laws" get changed or left behind. It's called progress, and there are a few sects here in the US that are slowly becoming tolerable.

I take it you're a Methodist?

If you haven't already picked it up from my blasphemous ranting or from correcting BuckTurgidson's similar assumption, no I am not religious at all. I do like to study it though, and I do have several friends of different faiths I've learned a lot from. If I were a Methodist, I probably wouldn't talk about it on Fark of all places.


Right, so after all that, we're in agreement. Old-timey Methodists, as I originally referred to, opposed dancing and modern Methodists, to whom I never referred, have no issue. I'm a butt-hurting douche, but for no better reason than you say so, but that's life on the internet. Have a good one.
 
2012-09-19 01:42:22 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Aussie_As: I take it you're a Methodist?

No, he is now a self-professed troll whose future work, alas, shall henceforth be all the less visible.


Not a troll, just way too defensive at times. Read my profile and you'll understand me better. Or don't, and add me to your ignore list. :-)
 
2012-09-19 01:43:02 AM  
shiat, I put my tater tot rant in the wrong thread. I guess it still kind of works at least.
 
2012-09-19 01:44:23 AM  

Aussie_As: Cthulhain: Aussie_As:

Well there's still this one which was the first result I got when I searched 'US Methodists Dance Ban', which is still correct if you define 'old-timey' as being in the 1920's, which I think is not unreasonable.

That's the thing, times change and tired old useless "laws" get changed or left behind. It's called progress, and there are a few sects here in the US that are slowly becoming tolerable.

I take it you're a Methodist?

If you haven't already picked it up from my blasphemous ranting or from correcting BuckTurgidson's similar assumption, no I am not religious at all. I do like to study it though, and I do have several friends of different faiths I've learned a lot from. If I were a Methodist, I probably wouldn't talk about it on Fark of all places.

Right, so after all that, we're in agreement. Old-timey Methodists, as I originally referred to, opposed dancing and modern Methodists, to whom I never referred, have no issue. I'm a butt-hurting douche, but for no better reason than you say so, but that's life on the internet. Have a good one.


You know what? You're right, I went full retard on this one. My apologies. Not that it's an excuse, but that's what I get for going apeshiat at nearly 2am. I'm off to bed now.
 
2012-09-19 01:47:00 AM  

davidphogan: shiat, I put my tater tot rant in the wrong thread.


You sure?

I guess it still kind of works at least.

This thread's a firecracker-up-the-butt-helicopter-crash-jell-o-wrestling-train-wreck, so yeah.
 
2012-09-19 01:50:59 AM  
Stupid woman should have posted a picture of her daughter online. She would have had dozens of men willing to take her daughter to the dance.
 
2012-09-19 01:52:20 AM  

Gyrfalcon: And if a single mother or any mother wanted to dance with her daughter at a father daughter dance, do you think anyone would care?

So we change it to a "parent-daughter" dance. Or have a "mother-son" dance the next night. Or any of half a dozen easy compromises I can think of.


That would have been fine with me. Also Temple of Doom's suggestion that people just get over it.

The problem is that all these idiot lawyers at the ACLU and the school board decided the right thing to do was to just shut the dance down. And the claims from supposed progressives here that shutting the dance down was not just unfortunate, but in fact a great thing to do.

The article is for shiat of course. The question is, did the mother go to the school first and if so, what did they do, or did she go straight to the ACLU?

Does atheism really progress when every single instance of prayer or mention of god is outlawed in public?

Does gender equality really progress when one woman's complaint can shut down a dance that apparently many people enjoy?

One of these days, the courts are going to shut down courthouses in YOUR state, and you'll have no recourse for these petty little squabbles, and be forced into mediation, and then...THEN...I'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

Yeah, it's late for me, I'm not sure what you're saying. What's more likely is the special interest lawyers will ensure everything in the states have to go through lawyers and committees etc.

Hey, you know how in California lawyers are relatively rarely needed to buy/sale real estate but in many states, you definitely need a lawyer because lawsuit lawsuit lawsuit. And yet, California doesn't seem to have a big problem with fraudulent real estate deals.

I don't see a whole lot of motion in the courts or by lawyers to get rid of lawyers, except from corporations trying to move everything to mediation.

Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked. See all the Wendy Kaminer articles (a former board member of the ACLU) for more on that.
 
2012-09-19 01:53:15 AM  

RoyBatty: Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked.


You sound ... concerned.
 
2012-09-19 02:05:21 AM  
A huge fight the ACLU didn't take part in that Wendy Kaminer thinks they should have:

Obama Administration: Soft on Bullying, Hard on Speech

Who did fight this fight? FIRE, which often when mentioned at FARK is derided as right wing because they defend ugly speech, much like the ACLU once did in Skokie

Sexual Harassment and the Loneliness of the Civil Libertarian Feminist

The results of the ACLU absence?

On College Campuses, Civil Liberties Took a Beating
 
2012-09-19 02:05:57 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked.

You sound ... concerned.


I am very concerned. Where do Tater Tots come from?
 
2012-09-19 02:06:44 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked.

You sound ... concerned.


Says the guy trolling the thread that father daughter dancing is about pedophilia.

But my concern has amply been backed up in this thread by the statements and columns of Wendy Kaminer, feminist, civil libertarian, and former board member of the ACLU.

Your move dance guard!
 
2012-09-19 02:15:33 AM  

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: And if a single mother or any mother wanted to dance with her daughter at a father daughter dance, do you think anyone would care?

So we change it to a "parent-daughter" dance. Or have a "mother-son" dance the next night. Or any of half a dozen easy compromises I can think of.

That would have been fine with me. Also Temple of Doom's suggestion that people just get over it.....


As I read the article, and I'm happy to be corrected if this is wrong, I think they just changed the policy to make the whole situation gender-inclusive. Which, as I read your post, you're happy with. So I'm uncertain as to why you've still got concerns. If the dance was shut down, it was only done so in its 'father-daughter' format, not completely.

I could have misunderstood this, so sorry if I'm wrong.
 
2012-09-19 02:21:34 AM  
Hey you know what.
I wanted to join a hair-style contest but they don't accept bald people.
I sued them and now they all have to shave their head.
And there was this game and we all had to bring a balloon but I didn't have one so I poked all other people's balloons with a pin so nobody had a balloon and I laughed.

Because if there is one thing I can't stand, it's people having fun.
And one thing I can stand even less, is people having fun in ways that are not available for me.

Because, in my head, I'm 5 years old. And I don't want to grow up. And life should be unfair for everyone but me.

GROW THE FARK UP!
 
2012-09-19 02:22:23 AM  

Aussie_As: As I read the article, and I'm happy to be corrected if this is wrong, I think they just changed the policy to make the whole situation gender-inclusive. Which, as I read your post, you're happy with. So I'm uncertain as to why you've still got concerns. If the dance was shut down, it was only done so in its 'father-daughter' format, not completely.

I could have misunderstood this, so sorry if I'm wrong.


Maybe it is too late for me, but I read the LA Times article, and I am left with no understanding at all as to what they actually did. "Did they say, Parent Kid Dance Monday, everyone welcome?" I don't see that. But maybe I missed it. The only thing that comes close is the language saying the Father daughter dance was banned, with nothing speaking to what it was replaced with or how it was altered.

I think that either:

A) Making it Parent Kid dance, OR
B) Saying tough kids, it's still a Father Daughter dance

are reasonable positions.

I think that cancelling the dance is a win win only for idiot lawyers and people that like to encourage future gender wars.
 
2012-09-19 02:27:54 AM  

Vangor: titwrench: should not be discounted just because a perception that someone had it easier because of the color of their skin.

Oh, I see you. You have the same argument ready no matter what I wrote. Have fun with this whole "not reading" thing. Sure you'll do whites proud.


Your argument was that white people are the "dominant race" and therefore their accomplishments don't hold as much weight because they don't have the added burden say a black person might have. I merely pointed out examples of individual achievement that are equally as important regardless of race and should be celebrated equally but because of some perceived slight society feels the need to put a greater importance on an accomplishment. So I acknowledged what you said I just didn't agree with you because you are wrong. Then I pointed out that if we would stop trying to separate from each other we might have a better chance of getting along and seeing eye to eye. So yeah I hope I do whites proud by wanting everyone to put aside their bullshiat and learn to move forward. If we won 125 metals at the Olympics I really don't give a shiat that 50 were white athletes and 75 were black athletes or 60% were female athletes or any of that crap I just care that the athletes went out and did their best to accomplish their goals. No one athlete deserves any more praise than another because of race or gender or any of that.
 
2012-09-19 02:37:37 AM  

davidphogan: BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Anyway, the other issue is the waste of time and money this is for the ACLU and a demonstration of how they have allowed themselves to be hijacked.

You sound ... concerned.

I am very concerned. Where do Tater Tots come from?


Oregon, and Idaho.
 
2012-09-19 02:38:29 AM  

RoyBatty: Your move dance guard!


Ooh ... have I been served?

Is it on?
 
2012-09-19 02:39:52 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Your move dance guard!

Ooh ... have I been served?

Is it on?


Oh. Good question. No then, I'm backing out. Way too tired.
 
2012-09-19 02:41:15 AM  

titwrench: Your argument was that white people are the "dominant race" and therefore their accomplishments don't hold as much weight because they don't have the added burden say a black person might have.


No, this was not. This was the caricature of the argument you began your conversation with. This is the strawman I responded to by saying we do not need to celebrate accomplishments by white people as accomplishments by white people, simply accomplishments. The added burden is why we celebrate the accomplishments by black people as accomplishments by black people rather than simply accomplishments. Difference is in explicitness of the population not praise for the accomplishment.

This is why I said you have the same argument ready, because no where did I suggest accomplishments be discounted or given less weight, but this is what you entered with suggesting white males were not allowed to celebrate accomplishments.

titwrench: Then I pointed out that if we would stop trying to separate from each other we might have a better chance of getting along and seeing eye to eye.


This position, while laudable, tends to come from the privileged position where seeing eye to eye means coming to your eye level. Not a conscious effort, but, when we seek to eschew differences, the image in our mind of normalization tends to be the culturally familiar.
 
2012-09-19 02:42:21 AM  

drayno76: wedun: drayno76: There are many types of dances there are some which are anti-sexual

now I'm curious. Tell me more about these "anti-sexual" dances.

Linky 

IMO anyway. :P


Country-Western line dancing is "anti-sexual" because there's no touching?

No touching is not the polar opposite of sexual (which is the definition of anti-sexual). Sexuality can exist without touching. I was really hoping that you knew what you were talking about and not just spouting lame crap.
 
2012-09-19 02:43:39 AM  

RoyBatty: Way too tired.


Me too.

A most pleasant good evening to you, sir!
 
2012-09-19 02:52:52 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Those things are insanely awkward and awful. I had one at my high school and we all "strongly encouraged" to attend. My dad hated them too. We went twice, stayed twenty minutes or so, ate bad food and left.

This is kind of a relic of the nuclear family where Dad works as the sole breadwinner and doesn't really help co-parent, so you have to create this artificial time together. Good riddance.


Imagine how awkward it would have been if he had booked a hotel room for after the dance!

:-D
 
2012-09-19 03:03:45 AM  

BuckTurgidson: RoyBatty: Way too tired.

Me too.

A most pleasant good evening to you, sir!


goodnight sam goodnight ralph
 
2012-09-19 03:24:25 AM  
Yet another case of one person going "If I can't have it, nobody will" ruining it for everybody
 
2012-09-19 03:29:21 AM  

gonegirl: Father-daughter dances are a cute idea, and I'm sure the families who participated had fun.

If the school is genuinely unwilling or unable to make occasional exceptions ("Oh, you don't have a dad? No dance for you, you bastard") then they shouldn't keep doing it. If they'd said, "Meh, okay, a few single moms dancing with their daughters won't hurt," then they wouldn't have dug their own grave quite so efficiently.


I might have to play Devil's Advocate. Single fathers go full derp sometimes when a hot mama passes by. Maybe they're trying to prevent a simple dance from turning into a battleground?
 
2012-09-19 03:29:41 AM  

RoyBatty: Aussie_As: As I read the article, and I'm happy to be corrected if this is wrong, I think they just changed the policy to make the whole situation gender-inclusive. Which, as I read your post, you're happy with. So I'm uncertain as to why you've still got concerns. If the dance was shut down, it was only done so in its 'father-daughter' format, not completely.

I could have misunderstood this, so sorry if I'm wrong.

Maybe it is too late for me, but I read the LA Times article, and I am left with no understanding at all as to what they actually did. "Did they say, Parent Kid Dance Monday, everyone welcome?" I don't see that. But maybe I missed it. The only thing that comes close is the language saying the Father daughter dance was banned, with nothing speaking to what it was replaced with or how it was altered.

I think that either:

A) Making it Parent Kid dance, OR
B) Saying tough kids, it's still a Father Daughter dance

are reasonable positions.

I think that cancelling the dance is a win win only for idiot lawyers and people that like to encourage future gender wars.


It's a variant of the full inclusion = total exclusion scenario that we've seen in similar issues: School throws an event that precious snowflake cannot attend (snowflake is in wheelchair, dance is for "father/daughters" and parent has only a mommy/son, etc.). Parent sues, and predictably wins. District responds with equal predictability: We'll just cancel the whole thing! If nobody does anything, nobody can be excluded/offended!

And the Harrison Bergeroning of America goes on...
 
2012-09-19 03:33:13 AM  

kiwimoogle84: Eleri: kiwimoogle84: Farklee: Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.

Hey I'm TF and I'm incredibly anti ACLU.

At some point when the given population of any group HAD to be a certain percentage X and X and Y, jobs and opportunities were being given to people not because they were qualified, but because of the color of their skin. It's white supremacy backwards.

Can't a greeter in Walmart wish someone merry Christmas without that person suing? If someone wished me happy Kwanzaa I wouldn't be aghast and in shock. Jesus Christ.

By ensuring EVERYONE has freedoms, now no one does.

Thanks, ACLU.

I do have a question. From your example it appears your in the same boat as most people who dislike the ACLU. That is, your examples have nothing to do with constitutional rights that the ACLU cares about. Would you care to give some actual examples or merely a coherent explanation behind your posititon? I have you marked as intelligent, so I'm honestly curious.

Here's my belief in a nutshell.

I'm an odd bird politically. I believe and support things all over the map. I am absolutely in favor of equality. Slavery and segregation was bad, as was the KKK. I support gay marriage and rights for everyone.

However.

I think it's gone too far. The right to swing my fist end where the other man's nose begins, right? Why are women allowed a women only gym but men can't have men only gyms without women suing?

I am absolutely all for anyone who is qualified to have what they are entitled to. And they should be able to. But when you take a basic principle like this- a friend of mine was an HR manager. She hires 10 people for a new hire class. If she hired 10 white people because they were the most qualified, she'd get the pants sued off of her. She has to hire at least 3 minorities, even if they don't have the same skills. This isn't ok.

I'm totally fine with all religions having the ability to express the freedom of worship. But I don't think my Jewish neighbor should be able to complain about my Christmas tree when I don't complain about her menorah.

Everyone should be free to do what they want to do without fear of "offending" people. My thing is respect of all people.

I love the movie Crash for this. "So what you're saying is that you're mad because the white waitress didn't pour coffee you didn't order?" "she gave us crappy service because she knows black guys don't tip." "how much did you tip her?" "I wasn't gonna tip for that crappy service!"

What a nightmare.

I'm rambling.

In short, I think people should celebrate their differences and respect everyone else for theirs. Everyone will always be offended by something, so eventually we'll have nothing so no one will be offended.

/end threadjack
//heading to bed, hope that cleared it up a little?
/thanks for the complimentary farkie


Your're welcome, but that really didn't clear it up. I was wonderimg what exactly the ACLU had done to earn your scorn. An explanation of fundamental beliefs is not unwelcome, though.

It's just, your fundamental beliefs seem to be self-contradictory. That isn't unusual, most people worth talking to hvae interesting beliefs, but I would beg fogiveness for a little disection. I would split this up, but I'm too lazy to grab the laptop, so the tablet's full quote will have to do.

I am rather confused by the fact that you believe your neighbor shouldn't be able to complain about your religious display if you don't first complain about his/hers. And yet, your next sentence is that everyone shpuld be able to act without fear of offending someone. I see an inherit contradiction in wanting to stifle complaints, and yet condoning outspoken complaints given without fear of consequences.

I am also confused by your example of men's and women's gyms. There are men only and women only gyms. You can sue either one for not admitting the opposite sex, but the lawsuit would be a losing proposition. I don't see anything wrong with being able to bring suit when you think you've been wronged, but I also don't see anything wrong with the courts kicking the suit to the curb.

Still, what I really want to know is what ecactly has the ACLU done to earn your scorn?
 
2012-09-19 03:46:07 AM  

sweatybronson: Without any sort of societally-instilled gender expectations, female toddlers are drawn to playing with dolls, males are drawn to playing with trucks and balls.


Exactly. And every parent always buys their child, regardless of gender, dolls and trucks and balls and lets them choose.
And many parents, like my dad, still considered GI Joes to be a "doll". The fact it had a gun in the hand didn't matter to him.
 
2012-09-19 03:49:30 AM  

Brutal Momentum Loss: Hey you know what.
I wanted to join a hair-style contest but they don't accept bald people.
I sued them and now they all have to shave their head.
And there was this game and we all had to bring a balloon but I didn't have one so I poked all other people's balloons with a pin so nobody had a balloon and I laughed.

Because if there is one thing I can't stand, it's people having fun.
And one thing I can stand even less, is people having fun in ways that are not available for me.

Because, in my head, I'm 5 years old. And I don't want to grow up. And life should be unfair for everyone but me.

GROW THE FARK UP!


School is compulsary, a hair style contest isn't. Now, if somehow the town you lived in ponied up tax money to host the contest and then denied you entry into it, then yeah, you have a complaint.
 
2012-09-19 03:50:40 AM  
Where is the ACLU to protect the guy who made the shiatty film that sparked all the 'Muslim rage'. When they pck and choose their battles they lose some credibirt
 
2012-09-19 03:52:10 AM  

publikenemy: Where is the ACLU to protect the guy who made the shiatty film that sparked all the 'Muslim rage'. When they pck and choose their battles they lose some credibirt


They lose some CREDIBILITY that should be
 
2012-09-19 03:57:41 AM  

publikenemy: Where is the ACLU to protect the guy who made the shiatty film that sparked all the 'Muslim rage'. When they pck and choose their battles they lose some credibirt


Is he being sued?
 
2012-09-19 04:22:03 AM  

stonicus: sweatybronson: Without any sort of societally-instilled gender expectations, female toddlers are drawn to playing with dolls, males are drawn to playing with trucks and balls.

Exactly. And every parent always buys their child, regardless of gender, dolls and trucks and balls and lets them choose.
And many parents, like my dad, still considered GI Joes to be a "doll". The fact it had a gun in the hand didn't matter to him.


I gave my two daughters Fox Force Five Action Figures, regardless, they still fight over their "owen ishi doll". (So cute). (Anyway, the girls are now 23 and 25.)
 
2012-09-19 04:59:37 AM  

Cthulhain: BuckTurgidson: Cthulhain: yeah you're a douche

Um ... is it too late to choose from buggerers, bulldykes, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, mugs, pugs, and thugs?

As long as you have enough gum for everybody, you're good to go.


QFT

Always remember: gum will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through time of no gum. (paraphrased)

davidphogan: shiat, I put my tater tot rant in the wrong thread. I guess it still kind of works at least.


Henceforth and evermore, I shall call you "Tater Salad"
 
2012-09-19 05:00:57 AM  

stonicus: Exactly. And every parent always buys their child, regardless of gender, dolls and trucks and balls and lets them choose.
And many parents, like my dad, still considered GI Joes to be a "doll". The fact it had a gun in the hand didn't matter to him.


Financially, it makes more sense to buy the kind of toy ones offspring is more likely to choose. perhaps throw in an unexpected toy every now and again as a test, and if that sort of toy gets the most attention, then perhaps move in that direction somewhat.
 
2012-09-19 05:07:48 AM  
This is outraging my younger brother, who a few years ago was pissed at his employer having a 'bring your daughter to work day' - omitting his son. Why yes, he is a knee-jerk republican, how did you guess?

I'm good with the ACLU's work here, as well as my brother's employer eventually caving in and changing the event to 'bring your children to work day'.
 
2012-09-19 05:33:50 AM  
Well, of course, because...

Gay
 
2012-09-19 07:20:27 AM  
Now here's a legit question:

If this is truly about "gender rights" then why was the whole thing turned off? To me that restricts everyone's right. Why did the ACLU call this an "amicable solution"

Normal adults would think, hmm maybe allow a "sub" such as a male relative or the mother/femal relative that allows the 1 person to join in the exercise of free assembly rather that pissing on the other 99 people who were already happy.

In the civil rights era, we didn't shut down the restaurant that restricted blacks, we allowed equal access.

But of course that would be compromise and freaking common sense.

Now back to your racist perv thread.
 
2012-09-19 09:06:41 AM  

Vangor: titwrench: Your argument was that white people are the "dominant race" and therefore their accomplishments don't hold as much weight because they don't have the added burden say a black person might have.

No, this was not. This was the caricature of the argument you began your conversation with. This is the strawman I responded to by saying we do not need to celebrate accomplishments by white people as accomplishments by white people, simply accomplishments. The added burden is why we celebrate the accomplishments by black people as accomplishments by black people rather than simply accomplishments. Difference is in explicitness of the population not praise for the accomplishment.

This is why I said you have the same argument ready, because no where did I suggest accomplishments be discounted or given less weight, but this is what you entered with suggesting white males were not allowed to celebrate accomplishments.

titwrench: Then I pointed out that if we would stop trying to separate from each other we might have a better chance of getting along and seeing eye to eye.

This position, while laudable, tends to come from the privileged position where seeing eye to eye means coming to your eye level. Not a conscious effort, but, when we seek to eschew differences, the image in our mind of normalization tends to be the culturally familiar.


A privileged position? You really have no idea what you are talking about. I grew up poor and lived in predominantly Hispanic and black neighborhoods. I got my ass kicked all the time just for being white. It took years to get to a point where I was finally allowed to exist without people waiting for me to get off the bus to kick my ass. I had to learn how to understand and include myself. I still volunteer time a few times a month to help kids, some of which are the kids of people that would beat the hell out of me, doing tutoring, mentoring giving rides to appointments what ever I can do through the school. So I didn't expect any one to come to my "eye level" I made it a point to make the effort. You can spout your rhetoric all you want or you can show a little reverence to mankind and try and make difference in your thinking do you don't feel like you need to bring someone to your level to accept them or feel comfortable getting to know them. I have never feared the " culturally unfamiliar " nor have I ever expected anyone to be more like me to accept them as a friend or equal. Your argument says more about your inability to let go of the differences between cultures and races than mine. I'm not saying your point doesn't make sense but it doesn't apply to me.
 
2012-09-19 10:45:40 AM  
I'm a Transgendered person and while I agree with WHY the ACLU did what they did, they COULD have went about it a different way instead of it being banned. For example, why don't they just make a "parents-kids" party or something so that EVERYONE is included, no matter what. THEN no one would have a right to biatch about it (ok, maybe the really hard-core fundies that give Christians a bad name), and everyone wins? If they whole point in this is to celebrate families being together, why ban it? We should CELEBRATE families, no matter HOW they are constructed.
 
2012-09-19 10:46:02 AM  
Call me factitious, call me obtuse, but I have a question about "white privilege"..

What about multi-racial people? I am half white/half Indian (Casino, not 7-11), do I get a half share in all the privilege? Hell, what about President Obama? He's half-white, so is his being elected President of the United States somehow diminished, or was he elected because his white-half "kicked in"?
 
2012-09-19 10:56:12 AM  

Eleri: kiwimoogle84: Eleri: kiwimoogle84: Farklee: Why am I not surprised that the noobs on this page defending the ACLU have 'TFer' logos next to their names? Not to sound all politically, but I can't stand the ultra-lib slant some of these arrogant idiots constantly display on here.

/this is my opinion. you are allowed to disagree. that is your right.

Hey I'm TF and I'm incredibly anti ACLU.

At some point when the given population of any group HAD to be a certain percentage X and X and Y, jobs and opportunities were being given to people not because they were qualified, but because of the color of their skin. It's white supremacy backwards.

Can't a greeter in Walmart wish someone merry Christmas without that person suing? If someone wished me happy Kwanzaa I wouldn't be aghast and in shock. Jesus Christ.

By ensuring EVERYONE has freedoms, now no one does.

Thanks, ACLU.

I do have a question. From your example it appears your in the same boat as most people who dislike the ACLU. That is, your examples have nothing to do with constitutional rights that the ACLU cares about. Would you care to give some actual examples or merely a coherent explanation behind your posititon? I have you marked as intelligent, so I'm honestly curious.

Here's my belief in a nutshell.

I'm an odd bird politically. I believe and support things all over the map. I am absolutely in favor of equality. Slavery and segregation was bad, as was the KKK. I support gay marriage and rights for everyone.

However.

I think it's gone too far. The right to swing my fist end where the other man's nose begins, right? Why are women allowed a women only gym but men can't have men only gyms without women suing?

I am absolutely all for anyone who is qualified to have what they are entitled to. And they should be able to. But when you take a basic principle like this- a friend of mine was an HR manager. She hires 10 people for a new hire class. If she hired 10 white people because they were the most qualifi ...


Shoot me an email, EIP. I was really tired and had a few drinks in me and my thoughts came out jumbled.
 
2012-09-19 10:58:25 AM  
That's too bad. People like to joke about that shiat but Father/daughter activities mean a lot to the kids. My girlscout council held a "Me & my Gal" weekend campout every fall. It's a memory of my dad I'll never forget. We had a lot of fun. I don't remember them being really strict about it either. If you didn't have a dad, you could bring another male figure like an uncle, or grandpa or family friend.
 
2012-09-19 11:07:22 AM  

mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.


Were you immaculately conceived?
 
2012-09-19 11:07:53 AM  

cig-mkr: FTA: following a complaint from a single mom
If the woman was divorced, the ex could have taken the child. (if he wasn't in prison)
If she chose to raise the child single, she assumed the role of mother and father.


Well, that's the issue.

She wasn't allowed to assume the role of mother and father. Her child was prohibited from attending the dance.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, the child's father was run over by a bus last year. She has no father by no fault of her own (of course, when is it a child's fault she has no father, unless she personally killed him?). She would be prohibited from going to this dance. Saying "she could go with an uncle" doesn't cut it; he's not her father any more than her mother is.

Also, the ACLU merely sent the school district a letter which pointed out that the exclusion of the child was in violation of state law. The district's attorneys looked at the state law and they were the ones who said "Y'know, they're right. There's a law against this." It's not the ACLU, nor even the mother of the child who was prohibited from going to the dance, but the Rhode Island state law that said this was illegal.

Methinks Subby has something of an agenda here.
 
2012-09-19 11:10:39 AM  

mafiageek1980: I'm a Transgendered person and while I agree with WHY the ACLU did what they did, they COULD have went about it a different way instead of it being banned. For example, why don't they just make a "parents-kids" party or something so that EVERYONE is included, no matter what. THEN no one would have a right to biatch about it (ok, maybe the really hard-core fundies that give Christians a bad name), and everyone wins? If they whole point in this is to celebrate families being together, why ban it? We should CELEBRATE families, no matter HOW they are constructed.


Or... and this is going out there... or, the school's can worry about teaching children useful skills in life, and not having stupid dances. If father wants to dance with his daughter, he can't do it at home?
 
2012-09-19 11:16:54 AM  

stonicus: mafiageek1980: I'm a Transgendered person and while I agree with WHY the ACLU did what they did, they COULD have went about it a different way instead of it being banned. For example, why don't they just make a "parents-kids" party or something so that EVERYONE is included, no matter what. THEN no one would have a right to biatch about it (ok, maybe the really hard-core fundies that give Christians a bad name), and everyone wins? If they whole point in this is to celebrate families being together, why ban it? We should CELEBRATE families, no matter HOW they are constructed.

Or... and this is going out there... or, the school's can worry about teaching children useful skills in life, and not having stupid dances. If father wants to dance with his daughter, he can't do it at home?


Good Point, I have to agree with ya on that.
 
2012-09-19 11:28:10 AM  

LindenFark: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

This is not hyper PC garbage:

public schools have no business fostering the notion that girls prefer to go to formal dances while boys prefer baseball games.

Do you also think that insisting women be able to drive or have their own checking account is also hyper PC garbage?


I can't believe that I'm actually going to feed a troll, but you're a special kind of stupid.
 
2012-09-19 11:44:37 AM  
Somewhere, someone is offended. By EVERYTHING. The story isn't complete, was the daughter really DENIED attendance, or was she hurt that she didn't fit in? The latter is a harsh fact of life and shouldn't rain on everyone else's parade.

Just a continued attack on people living "normal" lives that make alternative lifestyles feel so offended.
 
2012-09-19 11:55:46 AM  

marleymaniac: Somewhere, someone is offended. By EVERYTHING. The story isn't complete, was the daughter really DENIED attendance, or was she hurt that she didn't fit in? The latter is a harsh fact of life and shouldn't rain on everyone else's parade.

Just a continued attack on people living "normal" lives that make alternative lifestyles feel so offended.


"attack", eh? Thank you for the laugh, pal!

ooooh we so-called "alternatives" are coming to attack your so-called "normal" life. Oooh, we are sooo scary! Before you know it, we will be shopping with you in the same stores, going to the same schools, and *Gasp* we might very well be your neighbors. Talk about SCARY man! We've already "taken over" and you just don't know it, LMFAO! Oh noes, your little normal life has been "invaded" because we scary folks that are different from YOUR point of view are merely sharing the same air with you and not confined to "hide" and deny who we are simply because people like YOU are afraid of us.

My point?

Get a life and deal with it. You live your life, we live ours. And if you would just take a moment to get your head out of your ass, perhaps we can live together in peace, rather than feel like we are outsiders because people like YOU deem us to be. I'm SICK of the "us vs them" crap that we so-called "not normal" people have to deal with. Trust me, we wouldn't have to "fight" so hard to BE recognized as human beings if people would just accept the fact that we aren't what YOU might deem as so-called "normal"

*steps off soapbox*
 
2012-09-19 12:07:10 PM  

mafiageek1980: marleymaniac: Somewhere, someone is offended. By EVERYTHING. The story isn't complete, was the daughter really DENIED attendance, or was she hurt that she didn't fit in? The latter is a harsh fact of life and shouldn't rain on everyone else's parade.

Just a continued attack on people living "normal" lives that make alternative lifestyles feel so offended.

"attack", eh? Thank you for the laugh, pal!

ooooh we so-called "alternatives" are coming to attack your so-called "normal" life. Oooh, we are sooo scary! Before you know it, we will be shopping with you in the same stores, going to the same schools, and *Gasp* we might very well be your neighbors. Talk about SCARY man! We've already "taken over" and you just don't know it, LMFAO! Oh noes, your little normal life has been "invaded" because we scary folks that are different from YOUR point of view are merely sharing the same air with you and not confined to "hide" and deny who we are simply because people like YOU are afraid of us.

My point?

Get a life and deal with it. You live your life, we live ours. And if you would just take a moment to get your head out of your ass, perhaps we can live together in peace, rather than feel like we are outsiders because people like YOU deem us to be. I'm SICK of the "us vs them" crap that we so-called "not normal" people have to deal with. Trust me, we wouldn't have to "fight" so hard to BE recognized as human beings if people would just accept the fact that we aren't what YOU might deem as so-called "normal"

*steps off soapbox*


I use "normal" and "alternative" because EVERYONE knows what that means. Why, because it is popular nomenclature.

I would LOVE to just live my life, but apparently everything grounded in morality and common sense is frowned upon and taken so god damn personally they feel they have to put an end to such atrocities. Such as Father-Daughter dances. OH GOD THE HORROR. Mother-Son baseball games, FOR SHAME! When the hell are they going to fight the PURE EVIL OF SEGREGATED BATHROOMS! FOR farkS SAKE!
 
2012-09-19 12:16:27 PM  

jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?


Epic win!
 
2012-09-19 12:21:38 PM  
 
2012-09-19 12:30:46 PM  

marleymaniac: mafiageek1980: marleymaniac: Somewhere, someone is offended. By EVERYTHING. The story isn't complete, was the daughter really DENIED attendance, or was she hurt that she didn't fit in? The latter is a harsh fact of life and shouldn't rain on everyone else's parade.

Just a continued attack on people living "normal" lives that make alternative lifestyles feel so offended.

"attack", eh? Thank you for the laugh, pal!

ooooh we so-called "alternatives" are coming to attack your so-called "normal" life. Oooh, we are sooo scary! Before you know it, we will be shopping with you in the same stores, going to the same schools, and *Gasp* we might very well be your neighbors. Talk about SCARY man! We've already "taken over" and you just don't know it, LMFAO! Oh noes, your little normal life has been "invaded" because we scary folks that are different from YOUR point of view are merely sharing the same air with you and not confined to "hide" and deny who we are simply because people like YOU are afraid of us.

My point?

Get a life and deal with it. You live your life, we live ours. And if you would just take a moment to get your head out of your ass, perhaps we can live together in peace, rather than feel like we are outsiders because people like YOU deem us to be. I'm SICK of the "us vs them" crap that we so-called "not normal" people have to deal with. Trust me, we wouldn't have to "fight" so hard to BE recognized as human beings if people would just accept the fact that we aren't what YOU might deem as so-called "normal"

*steps off soapbox*

I use "normal" and "alternative" because EVERYONE knows what that means. Why, because it is popular nomenclature.

I would LOVE to just live my life, but apparently everything grounded in morality and common sense is frowned upon and taken so god damn personally they feel they have to put an end to such atrocities. Such as Father-Daughter dances. OH GOD THE HORROR. Mother-Son baseball games, FOR SHAME! When the hell are they going to ...


I respectfully disagree with you. But, last time I checked there's no set definition on what's "Normal" or "moral". People like to THINK there is, but that's a load of bullshiat. Case in point: I think it's normal to not eat meat or dairy. BUT that's what I deem it. That's not to say you will agree with me. I don't expect you to. Same for what's "moral". I deem non-violence to be "moral" while some don't. No one has a say-so, even when people THINK they do.
 
2012-09-19 12:39:52 PM  

Farklee: stuffy: Father-daughter dances banned in R.I. as 'gender discrimination'
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And just a little creepy.

If you had a daughter, you would know it's not creepy. Father-daughter's do dates and other things together. It creates a great-bond.

Of course there are pedos out there, but the vast majority of dad's would prefer the f/d dance versus some young slob clawing on her.


My 10yr old daughter loves those Just Dance games on our Kinect. I play them with her and we both laugh and have a great time. I don't see anything creepy about it at all. Of course she also plays COD, MOH, and HALO with me too.
 
2012-09-19 12:40:17 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: No more mother-son dances, either, so some good came of this.


A victory that has come too late for some of us.
 
2012-09-19 12:41:58 PM  

Jae0o0: My daughters primary school has Donuts with Dad on one day and Muffins with Mom another day. I wonder if someone could sue over that too.


WTH? No bagels with brother, or scones with sister?
 
2012-09-19 12:59:35 PM  
of course mafiageek1980 thinks not eating meat or diary is normal, I am shocked by that revelation
 
2012-09-19 01:17:57 PM  
Soooooo, if they have Mother-daughter dances someone will biatch and consider them MILFs and potential sexual predators, hints of incest will be tossed about, the Oedipus Complex will be hinted at and someone surely will toss in something about gays and/or Cougars and those dances will be banned.

All it takes these days is ONE big mouth.
 
2012-09-19 01:43:36 PM  
Wow, I bet none of these "conservatives" here attacking liberals and Obama actually read the article.

"...the matter was amicably resolved with school officials over four months ago."
"[Parent-teacher organizations] remain free to hold family dances and other events..."

Nothing's changed other then the name.

Seriously, crawl out from under your rock, it's not that scary out here.

/white history/pride/celebration month/parade/party is every single day
 
2012-09-19 01:49:21 PM  
skullkrusher: Latinwolf: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

Complaining about pc = white man's victim card.

this has nothing to do with race you knew that, Lupo Burro


The majority of people who complain about PC are white males who are attempting to play the victim card. No amount of Libertarian propaganda will dispute that.
 
2012-09-19 01:55:59 PM  

mafiageek1980: I'm a Transgendered person and while I agree with WHY the ACLU did what they did, they COULD have went about it a different way instead of it being banned. For example, why don't they just make a "parents-kids" party or something so that EVERYONE is included, no matter what. THEN no one would have a right to biatch about it (ok, maybe the really hard-core fundies that give Christians a bad name), and everyone wins? If they whole point in this is to celebrate families being together, why ban it? We should CELEBRATE families, no matter HOW they are constructed.


Making it a parents-kids dance will then upset the orphans.
 
2012-09-19 02:12:18 PM  
Latinwolf skullkrusher: Latinwolf: Brostorm: mat catastrophe: Oh, I'm sorry. Let's go on pretending that it's the 1950s and every child has both a mother and a father in a normal American Nuclear Familytm.

so what? I was raised by a single parent. I have no sympathy for this pathetic hyper pc garbage.

Complaining about pc = white man's victim card.

this has nothing to do with race you knew that, Lupo Burro

The majority of people who complain about PC are white males who are attempting to play the victim card. No amount of Libertarian propaganda will dispute that.


In fact looking at the later posts is seems my point had already been confirmed.
 
2012-09-19 02:18:34 PM  

marleymaniac: I would LOVE to just live my life, but apparently everything grounded in morality and common sense is frowned upon and taken so god damn personally they feel they have to put an end to such atrocities. Such as Father-Daughter dances. OH GOD THE HORROR. Mother-Son baseball games, FOR SHAME! When the hell are they going to fight the PURE EVIL OF SEGREGATED BATHROOMS! FOR farkS SAKE!..


The issue for me is that they're spending school funds on school activities that not all students can participate in.
 
2012-09-19 03:29:25 PM  

Brostorm: of course mafiageek1980 thinks not eating meat or diary is normal, I am shocked by that revelation


Like I stated in my post: Just cuz my crazy-peta-hating-Vegan-ass thinks not eating meat/dairy is normal doesn't mean I expect you to think the same. It's nuts but I have to remind people that I am completely COOL if you eat a cheeseburger in front of me. It's your choice, we are all different, let's party-on man!
 
2012-09-19 05:54:53 PM  
It's farking creepy.
 
2012-09-19 08:13:52 PM  

Worldwalker: Also, the ACLU merely sent the school district a letter which pointed out that the exclusion of the child was in violation of state law. The district's attorneys looked at the state law and they were the ones who said "Y'know, they're right. There's a law against this." It's not the ACLU, nor even the mother of the child who was prohibited from going to the dance, but the Rhode Island state law that said this was illegal.


Except no one actually read or understood the article, as demonstrated by all the posters mentioning how the ACLU banned the dance.

The ACLU doesn't have the power to just go ban something, nor did they even ask for the school to do so.
 
2012-09-20 10:34:13 AM  

kiwimoogle84: jaylectricity: crispyone: Funny how none of you fartard liberals get upset about the schools in OR with drum bands with no whites allowed.

Who wants to listen to some honkey play the drums?

Google Mike Portnoy, Danny Carey and Joey Jordison.

Three white guys who wail on drums.

You're welcome.


Ummm... there's a lot of white drummers. Phil Collins (a white guy) whose name you will recognize, Keith Moon (a white guy) from The Who, Steven Adler (a white guy) of Guns N' Roses fame.
Don't forget Levon Helm (a white guy) who became famous as a singing drummer. Face it CrispyOne, HONKEYS CAN DRUM!

/R.I.P. Levon. you were one of the greats.
 
2012-09-20 11:49:36 AM  
stonicus:
School is compulsory, a hair style contest isn't. Now, if somehow the town you lived in ponied up tax money to host the contest and then denied you entry into it, then yeah, you have a complaint.

That changes absolutely nothing to the fact that I would be a gigantic donkeyhole to file a complain, ponies or not.
I need legs to run. If I don't have legs then I'll use prosthesis. If I don't have prosthesis and I want to enter a 100m race, what do you think is gonna happen?

Anyway bravo for the pun.
 
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