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(Smithsonian Magazine)   Scholar unveils 1,600 year old Coptic papyrus fragment where Jesus says "my wife". Scholar thinks she may have also made out the words "take" and "please"   (smithsonianmag.com ) divider line
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2012-09-18 07:53:21 PM  
That's controversial?

Read the Song of Songs.
 
2012-09-18 07:53:48 PM  

KillAllHumans: This just in: Only one guy in the history of forever was named Jesus


+1 - Funny

There are at least seven of them in my apartment complex.
 
2012-09-18 07:58:00 PM  

Fano: Was this in the kingdom of Prester John?


More like the kingdom of Mathura, in 3228 b.c
 
2012-09-18 08:10:32 PM  

RexTalionis: SphericalTime: "Companion."


Verily, I haveth companions who reside in faraway lands

cdn.motinetwork.net
 
2012-09-18 08:20:38 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: More like the kingdom of Mathura, in 3228 b.c


I was told there would be no Mathura!
 
2012-09-18 08:20:54 PM  

ZAZ: Probably a gnostic fragment. They're not from the time of Jesus, but since Christians at the time wanted to know as much info as they could about Jesus, people started to make up stuff 120-400 years after the fact.

I've called them "Jesus fanfic."


I call them Gospels
 
2012-09-18 08:21:44 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Not sure I trust Coptic documents on major religious figures...


You know how I know you didn't RTFA?

ZAZ: Old news. Not because it was written over 1,000 years ago, but because this is a previously known heresy / alternative history of Jesus.


In other news, Random Internet Guy thinks he knows more about how significant this fragment is than does the Hollis professor of divinity, the oldest endowed chair in the United States and one of the most prestigious perches in religious studies. WTF motivates people to post comments like this?
 
2012-09-18 08:25:55 PM  

Marine1: people started to make up stuff 120-400 years after the fact older made-up shiat.

 
2012-09-18 08:28:47 PM  

Jedekai: The process of how God created the animals is the same pattern as evolution.


Not even remotely.
 
2012-09-18 08:38:16 PM  

StopLurkListen: Interesting, because:

It's relatively close to a contemporary and independent account
Some scholars have noted that an unmarried 30-ish Jewish man would have been unusual
Gospels rejected by the Council of Nicaea reportedly describe Mary Magdalen as his wife

//and lastly, internet conspiracy theories casually theorizing is so much fun
//I am not a scholar


Supposedly, the "Holy Grail" that the Knights Templar was guarding wasn't a relic, but the knowledge that Jesus had children. Possibly they were also guarding His bloodline.

Of course, we can't ask them, what with being exterminated by the Church and all. Wonder why they'd want to go and do that.
 
2012-09-18 08:40:57 PM  

0Icky0: Jedekai: The process of how God created the animals is the same pattern as evolution.

Not even remotely.


This. Depending on which of the two contradictory stories munged together in Genesis he's referring to, one of them says that first God created a man, then created all the other animals trying to find a companion for the man, and then created a woman. Is he seriously arguing that has any resemblance to evolution?

Hell, the pattern of how God created the cosmos doesn't even follow the same pattern as reality. I remember a wonderful Isaac Asimov piece from my childhood in which The Master states that "science and the Bible agree as far as 'In the beginning...'. After that, they diverge."
 
2012-09-18 08:41:53 PM  

Marine1: Nabb1: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE I MUST GO BLOW UP SOMETHING RIGHT N- actually, this is kind of interesting.

These are Christians we're talking about. I mean, we are dicks from time to time but uh... not big on the whole "let's burn shiat down and kill people" anymore.


upload.wikimedia.org

Calls bullshiat.
 
2012-09-18 08:44:04 PM  
Umm, there have always been odd writings about Jesus from that time period. Nothing new here.
 
2012-09-18 08:50:36 PM  
This is not surprising in the least. There are dozens of gospels telling the life of Jesus besides the four that made it in to the what today we call the Bible. They really contradict each other even more than the Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John do.
 
2012-09-18 09:00:56 PM  

RexTalionis: SphericalTime: "Companion."


i.ytimg.com
 
2012-09-18 09:05:56 PM  

Bludyard: Umm, there have always been odd writings about Jesus from that time period. Nothing new here.


TheMysteriousStranger: This is not surprising in the least. There are dozens of gospels telling the life of Jesus besides the four that made it in to the what today we call the Bible. They really contradict each other even more than the Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John do.


Yes, nothing new there. That's why a prestigious theology professor is writing a paper and holding a press conference on this, and Smithsonian magazine interviewed her and other scholars at length for their extensive article on the implications. *Rolls eyes*.

Seriously, nobody is impressed that you happen to know that there were gospels other than the canonical four, but you have no freaking clue what is specifically significant about this fragment. Newsflash: we all have access to Wikipedia too.

I am so, so tired of random web posters who fantasize that they come across as Too Cool For School when they post this kind of BS.
 
2012-09-18 09:07:30 PM  

ZAZ: Probably a gnostic fragment. They're not from the time of Jesus, but since Christians at the time wanted to know as much info as they could about Jesus, people started to make up stuff 120-400 years after the fact.

I've called them "Jesus fanfic."


at the time that gnostic stuff was some preeeetty heretical shiat, man

/i wonder if hannity or beck realize the coptic christians they lament in egypt are not quite, 'just papists we were unaware of'
//who are we kidding? there's probably miles of tape on editting floors at fox news of them being referred to as 'brown christians'
 
2012-09-18 09:15:14 PM  
Does Jesus become corrupted by Chaos and turn against his Father in this document, or is that from a later version?
 
2012-09-18 09:15:28 PM  
What makes one gospel more important than another? Was the council of Nicea correct? Should the Apocrypha be taken literally?
 
2012-09-18 09:16:23 PM  

czetie: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Not sure I trust Coptic documents on major religious figures...

You know how I know you didn't RTFA?


You know how I know you have no sense of humor?
 
2012-09-18 09:20:28 PM  
It always bothered me that Judas got the raw end. I love the Gospel of Judas; Judas and Jesus are best friends! And Judas is the only one that understands Jeuss' true nature, and He entrusts Judas with the sacred job of betraying him; so that it would be done properly!

Love that book
 
2012-09-18 09:23:04 PM  
Scholar unveils 1,600 year old Coptic papyrus papers fragement where Jesus says "my wife". Scholar thinks she may have also made out the words "take" and "please" 

Fixed.
PBBT! LOL! stupid Subby.
 
2012-09-18 09:30:01 PM  
I just flew in from heaven... and boy are my arms tired!
 
2012-09-18 09:35:29 PM  

theorellior: aspAddict: //Jesus was a bad ass.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x725]

SAVIOR SMASH!


It's called muscular christianity.

Popular in England in 1800s.

Real thing.
 
2012-09-18 09:36:11 PM  

skodabunny: Oh wow...oh Coptic. Oh.

Coptic is to Christian what cocaine is to Coca Cola.



So...you're saying Coptic is an original and key ingredient in Christianity that was removed later to please the authorities?
 
2012-09-18 09:38:57 PM  

skodabunny: Oh wow...oh Coptic. Oh.

Coptic is to Christian what cocaine is to Coca Cola.


So it used to be in it and it was removed to please a vocal minority?
 
2012-09-18 09:44:43 PM  
But Dan Brown fans, be warned: King makes no claim for its usefulness as biography. The text was probably composed in Greek a century or so after Jesus' crucifixion, then copied into Coptic some two centuries later. As evidence that the real-life Jesus was married, the fragment is scarcely more dispositive than Brown's controversial 2003 novel, The Da Vinci Code.

But the main Gospels written 70-100 years after Jesus' death are 100% pure unassailable biography. Gotcha.
 
2012-09-18 09:50:11 PM  
Magdalene relates a divine vision, but the other disciples grow suddenly disputatious. Andrew says he doesn't believe her, dismissing the teachings she said she received as "strange ideas." Peter seems downright jealous. "Did he then speak with a woman in private without our knowing it?" he says. "Are we to turn around and listen to her? Did he choose her over us?'" (In the Gnostic gospel of Thomas, Peter is similarly dismissive, saying, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life.")

Mary sounds like the Yoko Ono of disciples.
 
2012-09-18 09:52:54 PM  

theorellior: aspAddict: //Jesus was a bad ass.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 500x725]

SAVIOR SMASH!


Um...Isn't an important part of the religion the fact that it DIDN'T go down that way?
 
2012-09-18 09:56:35 PM  

SphericalTime: vpb: Did it say wife or "partner"?

"Companion."


You know... the ascension of makes a lot more sense if you picture it as a blue police box disappearing while sounding like it has the parking break on.
 
2012-09-18 10:05:42 PM  

skodabunny: Oh wow...oh Coptic. Oh.

Coptic is to Christian what cocaine is to Coca Cola.


farm4.staticflickr.com

/ Original formula, indeed!
 
2012-09-18 10:06:56 PM  

LeftOfLiberal: skodabunny: Oh wow...oh Coptic. Oh.

Coptic is to Christian what cocaine is to Coca Cola.

So it used to be in it and it was removed to please a vocal minority?


Coca is still in Coca Cola. They import denatured leaves every year to add to the mix.
 
2012-09-18 10:07:29 PM  
Oh thank God. His mother and I were worried sick that he was gay and we'd never get any grandchildren!
 
2012-09-18 10:11:35 PM  

Jedekai:
FUN FACT: "A day is like a millennium, and a millennium is like a day" is a line from God in the bible. The process of how God created the animals is the same pattern as evolution. Mary Magdalene is almost certainly Jesus' wife. Jesus calls himself the "Son of Man" not "Son of God" until the crucifixion. Even the Catholic Church has stated in the past that Jesus didn't become The Messiah until he died, and that the miracles he performed were divine, but not sacrosanct.

Bring this shiat up the next time some Young-Earth Creationist tries to argue against both Intelligent Design *AND* Evolution.


THANK YOU! I've been saying this for YEARS. I'm Catholic, but I don't believe that evolution and intelligent
design are mutually exclusive. Whenever one of my fellow Catholics sputters about God doing X on the first
day, Y on the second day, etc... My response is always "You're assuming that 'a day' as it was referenced
in Genesis was our 24-hour period.

I usually get looked at funny.

/ conflicted Catholic
 
2012-09-18 10:25:10 PM  

SphericalTime: vpb: Did it say wife or "partner"?

"Companion."

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Not sure I trust Coptic documents on major religious figures...

I only trust ancient Greek documents that reference Scientology and Mormonism.


I trust only Mohammed's writings on furries, bronies and tentacle anime.
 
2012-09-18 10:26:12 PM  
"My wife this, my wife that... It's an interesting way to begin a sentence!"

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-18 10:26:41 PM  

digitalrain: I'm Catholic, but I don't believe that evolution and intelligent design are mutually exclusive.


Then you don't understand evolution.
 
2012-09-18 10:36:28 PM  
Wait until they discover "The Da Vinci Code".
 
2012-09-18 10:44:03 PM  

minoridiot: Wait until they discover "The Da Vinci Code".


If Dan Brown claims to be divinely inspired, who could refute that? Paul was a Gentile when he all of a sudden became a christian bigwig.
 
2012-09-18 10:49:26 PM  

Girion47: If Dan Brown claims to be divinely inspired, who could refute that?


The Church.

They've worked hard for many centuries on an elaborately crafted lie which has made them rich and powerful, and aren't about to let a genuine divine message interfere with things.
 
2012-09-18 10:52:42 PM  
But i'll add that Dan Brown said nothing the Church would actually take offense to. All he did was add to their mystique.
 
2012-09-18 10:53:33 PM  

0Icky0: digitalrain: I'm Catholic, but I don't believe that evolution and intelligent design are mutually exclusive.

Then you don't understand evolution.


No, I understand it quite well, thanks. Mind you, I don't believe in the Big Bang theory. I also don't think
that God woke up on Day 5 and created the sea and flying critters, took nap and then woke up the next
day and decided to create man and other land dwelling critters.

Existing evidence (archaeological finds, similarities between species, etc...) seems to lend credence to
the notion that evolution is real, but I also believe that God as Creator is real.

I think that the referenced "day" was actually a much longer time frame than the 24 hour period we all
assume it to be. I like to think that God created the raw materials with the intent that they would evolve
over time - with each evolutionary milestone being "a day".

Just my own thoughts. YMMV, and that's cool too.
 
2012-09-18 10:54:23 PM  

Girion47: minoridiot: Wait until they discover "The Da Vinci Code".

If Dan Brown claims to be divinely inspired, who could refute that? Paul was a Gentile when he all of a sudden became a christian bigwig.


I'd love to know how that went down. How did twelve apostles of the son of the creator of the universe decide to follow some guy that pretended to meet him? How the son of the creator of billions of galaxies, seer of all in the universe, knower of all that is to be known, not have a farking plan of succession?

Nah, trust me, son; it's better to let our names be slandered for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people for thousands of years.

/Dumb plan is dumb
 
2012-09-18 11:01:16 PM  
I never understood "Take my wife, PLEASE!" until I was getting divorced. Then it made perfect sense.
 
2012-09-18 11:01:56 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Chaos


Take your Horus Heresy elsewhere, Heretic.


i123.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-18 11:09:45 PM  
Well that proves it. Jesus was an alien set here by the Star League to recruit heroes to defend the frontier against Xur and the Ko-Dan Armada.
 
2012-09-18 11:27:16 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Not sure I trust Coptic documents on major religious figures...


Whose religious documents do you trust on major religious figures?
photo.goodreads.com
/LoL :)
 
2012-09-18 11:36:24 PM  

czetie: 0Icky0: Jedekai: The process of how God created the animals is the same pattern as evolution.

Not even remotely.

This. Depending on which of the two contradictory stories munged together in Genesis he's referring to, one of them says that first God created a man, then created all the other animals trying to find a companion for the man..."



So the Son of God is a Drunk redneck then..

www.ultimategoatfansite.com

Makes sense since the son of Xenu is a Fudgepacker
img.metro.co.uk
 
2012-09-18 11:37:24 PM  

skodabunny: Oh wow...oh Coptic. Oh.

Coptic is to Christian what cocaine is to Coca Cola.


So... Coptics are the real Real Thing®?
 
2012-09-18 11:44:19 PM  

Kome: I get the feeling that this is just a very old example of slash fiction.


You're confusing it for the story where Jesus gets it on with Pontius Pilate.
 
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