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2012-09-18 05:56:31 PM
8 votes:

ox45tallboy: FlashHarry: even if the president is "near?"

I'm going to say "yes, even if the president is near." While there are definitely a significant portion of the people that will vote against the black guy, these are the same people that would have voted against any Democrat on "moral" grounds. I don't know of many pro-choice or pro-gay people that are also racist; these sorts of people tend to conglomerate into a big wad of hate.

Those who actually look at and vote on the issues, even the gay rights or abortion issues, would have voted against any Democrat in office, regardless of skin color. I don't think there are many people here in Alabama that say, "Dang it, I think wimmin folk need their wimmin doctors, and good access to the a-bor-shuns, and I ain't got no problem with them there queers, but I sure as sh*t ain't votin' for no n******!"


Keep in mind, the South views things a bit different. Their black people are cool, they just are stirred up by outsider from New York, Chicago, LA. Their illegal immigrants are hard workers who help get their crops in, not like those welfare illegal immigrants in California. Their queers are quite different than those San Francisco pansies. In fact many have relatives that are homo, but not like them flamboyant ones.

And of course, their dependence on welfare and having Abortions isn't a bad thing, just they were in special dire circumstances when they did it.

But the main thing is this: We need to LOOK moral and PREACH morality so that society can become better.
2012-09-18 06:06:32 PM
7 votes:

Weaver95: feeding people is apparently an 'entitlement' now. that's mind boggling. look, even if you want to believe that you've got a moral right to starve people to death in order to save yourself a few bucks come tax day, you still have to admit that letting people die of starvation is REALLY BAD for maintaining social order. people tend to fight against a slow death while watching some rich fat white guy roll by stuffing his face with a double bacon cheeseburger and a nice chianti.


And these are the same people that did have food, housing, and an education given to them by someone else (in Romney's case, his parents). Then Romney wants to brag about how well he succeeded, without "inheriting" anything from his parents. But he wants to say that anyone else asking for the same start he had in life (or even a small fraction of that) is looking for "entitlements" and should help themselves without relying on anyone else.

Fark that guy.
2012-09-18 05:57:49 PM
7 votes:
this is the part that just floors me:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax.

feeding people is apparently an 'entitlement' now. that's mind boggling. look, even if you want to believe that you've got a moral right to starve people to death in order to save yourself a few bucks come tax day, you still have to admit that letting people die of starvation is REALLY BAD for maintaining social order. people tend to fight against a slow death while watching some rich fat white guy roll by stuffing his face with a double bacon cheeseburger and a nice chianti.
2012-09-18 05:38:20 PM
7 votes:

Weaver95: is Romney *trying* to lose this election...? or is he really just thist f*cking stupid!?


Romney's scam is similar to the scam in "The Producers", where he and his cohorts collect millions from wealthy donors like Adelson and the Koch brothers, run a spectacularly terrible campaign and lose the election, then take off to the Cayman Islands with the money.

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Its the only explanation that makes sense.
2012-09-18 04:02:38 PM
7 votes:
My wife put on a CNN video about this last night. My god it was unabashed Romney-fellation. The anchor or newscaster or whatever the hell you call them criticzed Obama, referred to the source as "liberal website Mother Jones" and pointed out how a crapload of Americans totally pay no tax at allexcept for a smattering of payroll and other taxes.

So, it kind of proved the point I have been trying to drive home with her for a few weeks now: any time any kind of tangible, sizeable lead opens up for Obama, the so-called MSM will gladly step up the criticism of him, and fellation of Romney, to make sure that lead disappears.
2012-09-18 03:32:53 PM
7 votes:

Nadie_AZ: James!: I think that if Romney had said these same things in front of the Republican Convention it wouldn't have been half as controversial.  Or at least people would be quicker on the defense.

I'm watching it, now. It is not as damning as some were suggesting. This isn't campaign ending. It is just more wood on the fire in bringing it down.



It's sort of a "He is who we thought he was" moment.
2012-09-18 07:22:15 PM
6 votes:

cchris_39: Romney should grab this issue and run with it.

How many able bodied adults do we have on welfare or making too little to pay taxes?

Put some shame back into being one of them AND put the blame squarely on Obama for them being there.

It's an emotional issue and there is a legitimate debate there.


My sister (who I'm staying with) has 3 cats. A momma cat, her 10-week-old kitten, and another cat probably about 4-5 months old that just showed up one day. When I put out the food, the kitten will always jump on top of the food and start grownling at the other two, as if to say, "this is mine! Get your own!"

If I throw out a hot dog or something, the first cat to get to it will grab it and run away from the others to eat. If another kitty comes near it, it will begin growling and be willing to fight for what it views as its own.

This reminds me so much of the attitude of people like Mittens. They grabbed theirs, and never mind the fact that it's more than they need, and taking that much leaves none for everyone else. If the poor people want more, then they should go find it somewhere else. They seem to think that there is some magical resource fairy that will create huge estates and nice cars for everyone if they just worked a little harder, never mind the fact that they aren't willing to pay their own employees enough to afford such luxuries, nor that there simply isn't enough land to give everyone a nice estate.

For someone that laid off as many people as Mittens did while at Bain Capital, and then took their pensions as "consulting fees", he's got a lot of damn gall to say that so many people feel "entitled".
2012-09-18 11:09:25 PM
5 votes:
I grew up working class/poor. Had a hard working mother that took on extra hours to make up for when dad shorted us on child support. She never got a handout of any kind, not even from her parents. I started working at 16, joined the military at 20 (still in years later as a National Guardsman), bought my first home at 23 and while I've been broke, I've always paid my bills. Never been a day late or a dollar short. I consider myself quite fortunate but also know that I've got a hell of a work ethic and a spine of steel that I got from my mom and dad (he was a lousy husband but a hard worker). I've met many people that come from backgrounds as humble as mine (or more so) and have done fairly well. It's like they either recognize their good fortune (having good parents who instill a work ethic) and want to see others guided onto a path of self-improvement, have them recognize their potential and work, with a hand up perhaps, or they act like anyone still in humble circumstances is to be scorned, as if it is a painful reminder of their own poor past.

My husband, who also grew up working class (though not as poor as we were at times) is a lot more right wing than me, but we respect each other enough to have a happy marriage and to debate at times while still giving credence to the others' views (though I know I am on the right side of the argument and I let it go because I love him). When the OWS movement started, he kind of wrote them off as malcontent hippies. I respected the movement, in that I see the game is rigged. The rich have theirs and they will work the system to ensure that nobody encroaches upon their hallowed ranks (not all rich, some of the uber rich). When we came upon a business opportunity (a campground/ghost town in a national forest with a thriving membership in an area with more tourists than campgrounds), he dove in and started crunching numbers, and wrote up a fantastic business plan that the USDA Small Business Administration in the region praised. We had 80% backing on our loan, in writing. The bank (which had not only gotten a huge chunk of bailout money, but was tasked with administering the distribution of bailout funds to other entities) that owned the foreclosed property wouldn't even talk to us - 80% guarantee be damned. They few times we got them on the phone they were completely condescending. They wanted cash money. So these two veterans, with fantastic credit scores, very little unsecured debt, and an 80% guaranteed loan, couldn't even get in the door. It was quite a crushing blow. It drove home my belief that the very rich, purse-string holders do not want anyone to have a chance to climb up from the middle class and join the hallowed ranks of the wealthy. We should know our place and be grateful for whatever crumbs they toss us. It opened my husband's eyes a bit, and I'm sorry to say, crushed his spirit a bit. So, it looks like I'll spend the rest of my working days in a cubicle, stay in the Air National Guard longer than I want to for the $, and he'll retire from the military at 30 years, perhaps, instead of living our dream, working 100 acres in the woods and overseeing a mountain resort. But hey! If a hard working executive at Bank Mellon can afford ALL the upgrades on his new Ferrari, it's worth it, right? 

/I rant
//I'd rather put a sharp stick in my eye than vote for a man that holds me in contempt for not being born wealthy
2012-09-18 08:24:57 PM
5 votes:

CapHuff: His opponent is a total nerd. If there is anything your generation should understand, it is that the really nerdy guys (admission: poster is an engineer) but the nerdy guys know how to fix things.


Romney is no nerd. He was a venture capitalist who didn't build or design anything. I can respect engineers, but I cannot respect somebody who makes a living off of outsourcing jobs and bankrupting companies. I work in IT and I've seen it time and again and I have utterly no faith in Corporate America to push this nation in a positive direction. What does that leave us with? Our city governments, our county governments, our state governments and the federal government. Through them we can hold these greedy bastards responsible. And yes it is a mess and yes the corruption stinks. But it is that direction we must focus our energies on in order to make this country better.
2012-09-18 07:28:56 PM
5 votes:
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Son, I am disappoint.
2012-09-18 06:45:53 PM
5 votes:

Weaver95: this is the part that just floors me:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax.

feeding people is apparently an 'entitlement' now. that's mind boggling. look, even if you want to believe that you've got a moral right to starve people to death in order to save yourself a few bucks come tax day, you still have to admit that letting people die of starvation is REALLY BAD for maintaining social order. people tend to fight against a slow death while watching some rich fat white guy roll by stuffing his face with a double bacon cheeseburger and a nice chianti.


I'm floored about how angry he is when he says, "who believe that they are ENTITLED to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it." He's angry and disdainful and is so farking casual about wanting to starve children, and make the elderly homeless.

I don't know how anyone could vote for that psychopath.
2012-09-18 10:24:01 PM
4 votes:
I don't think this tape will change too many people from "Romney voters" to "Obama voters."

But, I do think it could do several things:

1. It could turn "Romney voters" into "Third Party voters" or "non-voters."
2. It could turn "Obama voters" into "Obama donors" or even "Obama volunteers."
3. Similarly, it could turn "Romney volunteers" and "Romney donors" into only "Romney voters."

All of these could have an impact on the outcome of various state electoral college results, as well as down-ticket races in the House and Senate.
2012-09-18 09:34:52 PM
4 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Watching this makes me look forward to the debates. He knows the details and has strong viewpoints.


Romney's only "strong viewpoint" is that he REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to be president.

He has given no details on how he would make the economy recover at a faster pace than Obama's policies have done. He's supposedly an expert on the details...but apparently thinks the electorate doesn't need to hear them.

Pretty much every one of his "viewpoints" can't quite be considered "strong" because they've changed at least once (and in many cases, multiple times) between 1994 and 2012, depending on what group he was pandering to at the time.

"I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose."
"I never really called myself pro-choice."

"I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it."
"Roe v. Wade has gone too far."

"I will work and fight for stem cell research."
"In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise."

"It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam."
"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there."

"Those... paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship."
"Amnesty only led to more people coming into the country."

"Based on the number"I'm a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering."s of American Muslims... I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified."
"A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith."

"I'm not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts."
"Social Security's the easiest and that's because you can give people a personal account."

"I would like to have campaign spending limits."
"The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates and their positions without burdensome limitations."

"I supported the assault weapon ban."
"I don't support any gun control legislation."

"I believe the tax on capital gains should be zero."
"It's a tax cut for fat cats."

"These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress."
"Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore."

"I don't line up with the NRA."
"I'm a member of the [NRA]."

"If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation."
"I like mandates. The mandates work."
"I think it's unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front."

"I'm a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering."
"I changed my position."
2012-09-18 08:27:39 PM
4 votes:

Dust: Obama just posted this to his Facebook:

[i49.tinypic.com image 800x800]


Everyone is right. That pic is awesome. When will righties realize that Obama is everything they claim to love and say they are. He's self-made. He's rich. He pulled himself up by the bootstraps. He doesn't take shiat from nobody. He loved their 1994 health care plan.

Sorry, righties. You are looney and we all know it.
2012-09-18 07:31:20 PM
4 votes:
Romney is not competent to be a candidate, much less a President. He got where he is because of his daddy, just like W. We do not need that again.
2012-09-18 07:24:59 PM
4 votes:

cchris_39: Romney should grab this issue and run with it.

How many able bodied adults do we have on welfare or making too little to pay taxes?

Put some shame back into being one of them AND put the blame squarely on Obama for them being there.

It's an emotional issue and there is a legitimate debate there.


I asked a friend why he was so pro-Romney. He says Romney has run businesses, so he is financially smart. I told him 'he ruined businesses and made off with the cash', and he corrected me:

"Romney actually finds a business and moves in as a consultant, he knows to save money, move many jobs overseas, quality doesn't matter because he is setting up for phase two, which is, once the company is floundering, get government subsidies, that he and his form take full control of, pay themselves out, cut off the last of the American jobs, leaving the shell, then move away from it, selling it of piecemeal for remaining product and equipment, taking a huge cut of that, then funneling it through the system to dodge the taxes on it since it's not income anymore."

I sat slack jawed for a moment, then asked how he doesn't see the irony of his statements, he replied: "No, because he knows how to work the system to it's fullest potential, and that's what we need in office: Someone who is business savvy, and knows how to work the system." I again remind him, the system he is 'working for profit' is going to be the very source of his income. The ONLY thing he knows how to do is dismantle the company he takes control of, and he will be in control of the country.

My friend then patronized me a bit: "Listen, I know you're not that smart financially, but my family is loaded, and we're loaded because we know how economies work. If Romney is smart enough to shuck and jive the government, it's because he knows how economies work, too, he was simply exploiting the system, and you have to be know businesses and the system very well in order to accomplish all he has in his lifetime."

So, his reasoning is: Romney used the government's money to crush companies, then kept all the profits AND the government money while letting the company wither and die, and laughed all the way to the bank. He thinks this is the mindset needed to get our country on the right track. Romney will work the system to get government money to dismantle the country then funnel the money back to himself... and trickle down... and what were we talking about again?
2012-09-18 07:15:46 PM
4 votes:

ox45tallboy: Well, I can see the broken part.


Google is your friend. Look it up.

I don't like politics. And I hate elections in this country. But as an ex-serviceman, I fear for your and our safety as a nation if this twat gets elected. There is no way this "candid speaking" can pass as a sane conversation. He's a ticking time bomb. He's unstable. He's the reason why we have to swear to protect our constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, when enlisting
2012-09-18 06:23:10 PM
4 votes:
Obama just posted this to his Facebook:

i49.tinypic.com
2012-09-18 03:44:22 PM
4 votes:

James!: On the other hand I think it's the kind of thing that will discourage people who vote republican but never really pay attention to the candidates to become further discouraged and less likely to turn out.


Nah. The people he's talking about -- mainly poor southern whites who vote republican -- think they aren't poor; they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires. And they will turn out to vote for Romney to prove it to themselves.
2012-09-18 11:54:38 PM
3 votes:

Coelacanth: freetomato: Grrr. Sorry. It will take a while to get over this.

Tried a credit union?


I bank with USAA. This was a 1.75 million loan, and Bank Mellon specified that they would not deal outside Bank Mellon. Either you were a BM customer/investor or you came in the door with cold, hard cash. The USDA has a program where they will back 80% for a good business in a rural area - that wasn't good enough for a bank that was happy to suck up federal funding.

Enjoy the bailout I helped pay for, MFers.

bobcargill.files.wordpress.com
2012-09-18 10:10:09 PM
3 votes:
i249.photobucket.com
2012-09-18 07:44:42 PM
3 votes:

Double-oh Steven: Hey.

Has no one else noticed that Impaler's infographic is not correct?

with 13,000 in deductions, the family at left still has 60,000 in taxable income. The rate on that is a lot higher than -0.02%.

Whoever designed that info-graphic does not know what they're talking about, yet, nobody seems to notice or care.


I designed it.

Adjusted Gross income (AGI) $73000
Greater of itemized or std. deduction $11600
Personal exemptions $22200

Regular tax $5030
Child care credit $1200
Child tax credit $3830
Additional child tax credit $170

Your refund is$170

Link
Married filing jointly, 2 incomes: $43,000 and $30,000.
4 kids, ages 3, 7, 11, 12 - 3 in school and all living with filers.
2012-09-18 07:19:32 PM
3 votes:
I have to agree with the other farkers that this video isn't particularly damaging, but it helped cement the accurate description that this douchebag is a plutocrat.
2012-09-18 05:45:27 PM
3 votes:

FlashHarry: even if the president is "near?"


I'm going to say "yes, even if the president is near." While there are definitely a significant portion of the people that will vote against the black guy, these are the same people that would have voted against any Democrat on "moral" grounds. I don't know of many pro-choice or pro-gay people that are also racist; these sorts of people tend to conglomerate into a big wad of hate.

Those who actually look at and vote on the issues, even the gay rights or abortion issues, would have voted against any Democrat in office, regardless of skin color. I don't think there are many people here in Alabama that say, "Dang it, I think wimmin folk need their wimmin doctors, and good access to the a-bor-shuns, and I ain't got no problem with them there queers, but I sure as sh*t ain't votin' for no n******!"
2012-09-18 05:21:59 PM
3 votes:
One of the most amusing aspects for me is that the republicas have been attempting to work this hidden camera shiat for almost three years and have very little to show for it.
2012-09-18 05:13:10 PM
3 votes:
"The thing I find most disappointing in this president is his attack of one America against another America"

This person is insane.
2012-09-18 04:06:52 PM
3 votes:

Elandriel: My wife put on a CNN video about this last night. My god it was unabashed Romney-fellation. The anchor or newscaster or whatever the hell you call them criticzed Obama, referred to the source as "liberal website Mother Jones" and pointed out how a crapload of Americans totally pay no tax at allexcept for a smattering of payroll and other taxes.

So, it kind of proved the point I have been trying to drive home with her for a few weeks now: any time any kind of tangible, sizeable lead opens up for Obama, the so-called MSM will gladly step up the criticism of him, and fellation of Romney, to make sure that lead disappears.


And now farkers know why I am not overly optimistic about the election.
2012-09-19 03:41:02 AM
2 votes:

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: So...because Mitt "Gordon Gecko" Romney knows how to expertly game the system and only gives a shiat about increasing the size of the bottom line, while not giving fark One about the trail of ruined lives and destitution he leaves in his wake or the damage it does to the American economy, he'll make the Most Awesomest President Evar.


People like this are all about making money. Really, that's all they're about. HOW you make it, off WHOM you make it, is irrelevant. You make jokes about the "history of psychosis" but that's not quite right--what that is is psychopathy. The whole "I got mine so f*ck you...also f*ck your questions about how I made my money and what happened to the people I made it from" is pure psychopathy.

Anyone who can say this, from HST's friend to Romney himself, has zero empathy, zero morals and zero scruples--they want money, as fast and as much as possible. I've made a habit of watching CNBC's "American Greed," and except for a couple of ordinary bank robbers and one or two deluded fools who seem to have thought their Ponzi scheme would somehow retrieve itself...ALL the bottom-dwelling scumsuckers are like this. They want money, they want it NOW and they don't care how many bodies they leave behind. One of them, called the "Mormon Madoff" actually took his parents' retirement fund that they trusted him with to invest, and spent it on crap. And didn't even apologize when he got caught.

These people need to be killed. They will never do anything positive for humanity except die.
2012-09-19 01:06:31 AM
2 votes:

Coelacanth: BTW, when Jesus kicked the moneylenders out of the temple, we're talking about a temple the size of 30-40 football fields. The way I see it, if thirteen guys and maybe one good woman could do that, then what's stopping us?


The vote, or lack thereof, I guess. Too many feel complacent because they've not dared to reach for the stars and they are getting by. They sit back and wait for others to step up.

I recently visited the Civil Rights Museum in Montgomery, AL. It was food for thought; what others had gone through, how it affects them today.... I can't help but feel that certain factions would happily go back to the day when some Americans were second class, and knew their place ( Not to minimize the black battle at all, but these days, the working class, of all colors, are being told to shut up and color...you will never progress and you will be happy about it...yeah, many of us don't count, are dismissed. Know your place). I don't see black and white - I see workers/those who were born to succeed. And the cards are stacked against us, no matter what our skin color. If we are not rich, we never will be rich. Than banks that might loan for us to build a business? Fark you. You are not rich. The poor,they might make middle class if they inherit money or gamble well.

The cards are SO farking stacked that the realm of the rich will never be broached.

How can a blue collar person vote for the GOP? Ignorance is the only explanation. Willful? Ugh. The only explanation.
2012-09-18 11:06:25 PM
2 votes:

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: ox45tallboy: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: All of these could have an impact on the outcome of various state electoral college results, as well as down-ticket races in the House and Senate.

That's what makes me wonder about this choice by the Republicans. There were other people that weren't total turnoffs to most of the American people in general. Why not Gingrich? He doesn't have any more baggage than Clinton. Why not Santorum? Even though he had extreme views on abortion, homosexuality, and birth control, the guy was certainly far more sincere than Romney, and he never seemed as though he was "better" than anyone else (except the homos and the "blah" people). Why not Huckabee? Well liked, well respected, no real baggage, and more people could identify with him.

Why Romney? He's as moderate of a Republican as you can find, but he's trying to run as a "conservative" and he's just not pulling it off. He's not a good politician. Now, this selection could bite the Republicans in the ass because so many people will identify the (R) with him.

He was supposed to "pivot" toward the center after he won the nomination (pretty standard practice for both D and R presidential candidates). Romney can't do this because he's distrusted by the Republican base - they think he's too moderate (and they're correct).

The Republican Party created this mess by putting their base in an echo chamber and them hearding them ever rightward. I think it's poetic justice that the base has now bitten them in the ass.


Here's the thing: I reject the notion that Romney is a moderate.
I don't think Romney has any core beliefs. His only position is "Romney First."
If he's ever been 'moderate,' it's been because it was what was beneficial to him personally at the time.
And concern about a Romney presidency is that in his quest to fulfill his self-imposed destiny to become President, he's shown that he's completely beholden to the extreme neocon wing of the Republican Party.

President Romney would not be a center-right moderate. He would be a rubber stamp for the neocons he's surrounded himself with.
2012-09-18 09:42:07 PM
2 votes:
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2012-09-18 09:32:06 PM
2 votes:

Shrugging Atlas: I think there needs to be a national incentive to figure out what the fark is going on in those red states. And I'm not kidding here. What can be done to fix it? Are the people there happy with the situation? Why are the all linked geographically?


Here you go:

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blog.duchessstrollins.com

youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com
2012-09-18 09:29:21 PM
2 votes:

CapHuff: I'm an old guy. I am a Republican. I don't care if you disagree with me. I like to argue politics with open minded people. I haven't been on this site for quite a while. There used to be a lot of back and forth. Now it seems to be the mirror of a right-wing freeper site. That is too bad. I am voting against President Obama's attempt to serve two terms because I do not believe it is in America's best interest to have the government redistribute wealth. IMHO, what made this country is opportunity, and the fact that if you work hard your background does not matter. The failed policies of FDR and LBJ have not helped the poor, just the opposite. I do not believe that anyone should be receiving a tax refund for more tax than they had withheld. The government is not your Daddy. I have five kids, not a lot of money to go around. Once my kids grew up, they took care of themselves. They are not counting on the government or Daddy. Whatever - if you gotta hate, hate the opposing candidate. But don't hate people just because you disagree with them. I voted against this guy, but he got elected. He sucks at his job, in my opinion, but I don't hate him. I didn't even hate Jimmy Carter, who was worse than this guy, and he wasn't even a Kenyan! I did hate Clinton for a while when it was clear he was a liar, but I also hated Nixon when it was clear he was a liar so I have no guilt about that. You guys laugh at the idiotic mindless froth ITA, but in my reading of the comments in this thread, I see no real difference.

When all is said and done, a flourishing economy is what will make things better. President Obama has failed to improve the economy. While increasing the national debt by going on 5 trillion dollars. His predecessor was a total boob. His opponent is a total nerd. If there is anything your generation should understand, it is that the really nerdy guys (admission: poster is an engineer) but the nerdy guys know how to fix things. President is and has been ...


Well, as a middle aged white guy, I wish you'd reconsider. And get your information from sources other than right wing media. There is ample evidence that the Republican style of government, e.g. tax cuts without paying for existing services, is why we are right now in somewhat of a hole. On the other hand, the stock market has doubled since Obama took office, erasing the smoking crater Bush left it in and helping things get going again. Unemployment is a "lagging indicator" but is inching down, and despite the right wing's attempts to undermine all the sentient policy Obama and his people have been implementing, things are headed in the right direction after absolute panic as Bush was leaving office.

Don't let an avalanche of facts get in the way of your so called sane rational approach though.

Also, go eff yourself you sanctimonious dishwad, this is FARK. A wall of words without evidence just proves you're a gasbag without bothering to cite sources.
2012-09-18 08:03:02 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

A few of you are missing the forest for the trees. Romney's not talking about little old ladies on Medicare or Dennis the Menace's family up there with a -0.02% federal income tax. He's talking about a group of people that will reliably vote Democratic because they vote for government handouts at the expense of hardworking American taxpayers, laughing all the way to the food stamp bank from their public housing, because they are inherently irresponsible citizens.
2012-09-18 07:50:57 PM
2 votes:
I listened and watched. God damn. I had no idea what a crap-field that the Republican party could foist on its regular voters and then the idiots eat it up like its the daily special at Cracker Barrel.

What an incredible pile of filth is thing called Romney. Watch the video. It's really not at all funny anymore. Republicans, you can have your evolution is a myth, global warming is an attempt by scientists to get grants. Here's the real deal you are America's enemy. Not Muslims, not Mexicans, it's you Republicans. Watch and listen to Mitt Romney. You will see and hear America's enemy. It's you.
2012-09-18 07:34:19 PM
2 votes:

Corvus: [i.qkme.me image 500x500]


i.imgur.com
2012-09-18 07:23:29 PM
2 votes:
vudukungfu

I don't like politics. And I hate elections in this country. But as an ex-serviceman, I fear for your and our safety as a nation if this twat gets elected. There is no way this "candid speaking" can pass as a sane conversation. He's a ticking time bomb. He's unstable. He's the reason why we have to swear to protect our constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, when enlisting

For whatever reason, your comment reminded me of this:

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2012-09-18 07:11:18 PM
2 votes:
Christ, what an asshole

Even my father, a die-hard republican, whom I knew very well, and got along with very well, and would debate political shiat with very well, would want to cawkpunch this arrogant asshole and then ask him, "WTF are you thinking? How can you, as an American citizen say this shiat?

What are you a farking moran"?

This guy isn't a loose cannon. He's a potential Broken Arrow.
2012-09-18 07:10:52 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-09-18 07:05:19 PM
2 votes:
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
2012-09-18 05:56:47 PM
2 votes:

brianbankerus: I'll be curious to see if this moves the polls.

Any predictions?


This is starting to remind me of McCain's campaign, particularly the fact that staffers for Romney are sniping at each other in the press.

Romney is constantly on defense for unforced errors, there is blood in the water, and everybody knows it.
2012-09-18 05:36:18 PM
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: is Romney *trying* to lose this election...? or is he really just thist f*cking stupid!?

I"m gonna go with "yes", Bob.


I watched a majority of that video and my impression was it had a LOT of 'prosperity gospel' theology in there, along with a vast amount of bad data, false assumptions and sheer asshattery towards anyone NOT in the Romney class of rich folks. As bad as that is...Romney should have known better to actually say that shiat out loud. all it takes is ONE person to record him and upload the vid capture to youtube. Just one. once that's out in the public domain....it's over. he's lost control of his message.
2012-09-18 05:22:19 PM
2 votes:
www.uncle-eazy.com
2012-09-18 04:50:16 PM
2 votes:
At the rate September is going, I'm so looking forward to this year's October Surprise.
2012-09-18 03:28:19 PM
2 votes:
I think that if Romney had said these same things in front of the Republican Convention it wouldn't have been half as controversial.  Or at least people would be quicker on the defense.
2012-09-19 02:57:54 AM
1 votes:

HST's Dead Carcass: cchris_39: Romney should grab this issue and run with it.

How many able bodied adults do we have on welfare or making too little to pay taxes?

Put some shame back into being one of them AND put the blame squarely on Obama for them being there.

It's an emotional issue and there is a legitimate debate there.

I asked a friend why he was so pro-Romney. He says Romney has run businesses, so he is financially smart. I told him 'he ruined businesses and made off with the cash', and he corrected me:

"Romney actually finds a business and moves in as a consultant, he knows to save money, move many jobs overseas, quality doesn't matter because he is setting up for phase two, which is, once the company is floundering, get government subsidies, that he and his form take full control of, pay themselves out, cut off the last of the American jobs, leaving the shell, then move away from it, selling it of piecemeal for remaining product and equipment, taking a huge cut of that, then funneling it through the system to dodge the taxes on it since it's not income anymore."

I sat slack jawed for a moment, then asked how he doesn't see the irony of his statements, he replied: "No, because he knows how to work the system to it's fullest potential, and that's what we need in office: Someone who is business savvy, and knows how to work the system." I again remind him, the system he is 'working for profit' is going to be the very source of his income. The ONLY thing he knows how to do is dismantle the company he takes control of, and he will be in control of the country.

My friend then patronized me a bit: "Listen, I know you're not that smart financially, but my family is loaded, and we're loaded because we know how economies work. If Romney is smart enough to shuck and jive the government, it's because he knows how economies work, too, he was simply exploiting the system, and you have to be know businesses and the system very well in order to accomplish all he has in his lifetim ...


So...because Mitt "Gordon Gecko" Romney knows how to expertly game the system and only gives a shiat about increasing the size of the bottom line, while not giving fark One about the trail of ruined lives and destitution he leaves in his wake or the damage it does to the American economy, he'll make the Most Awesomest President Evar.

Does your friend have a familial history of psychosis? Has he ever been checked for brain tumors or neurodegenerative diseases?
2012-09-19 01:45:10 AM
1 votes:

Coelacanth: freetomato: Coelacanth: freetomato: Grrr. Sorry. It will take a while to get over this.

Tried a credit union?

I bank with USAA. This was a 1.75 million loan, and Bank Mellon specified that they would not deal outside Bank Mellon. Either you were a BM customer/investor or you came in the door with cold, hard cash. The USDA has a program where they will back 80% for a good business in a rural area - that wasn't good enough for a bank that was happy to suck up federal funding.

Enjoy the bailout I helped pay for, MFers.

[bobcargill.files.wordpress.com image 604x456]

I think if I asked, my credit union would give me a loan to build a flying saucer. Banks just aren't for genuine people anymore. And if there wasn't credit unions, I'd probably keep my money in a mattress.

BTW, when Jesus kicked the moneylenders out of the temple, we're talking about a temple the size of 30-40 football fields. The way I see it, if thirteen guys and maybe one good woman could do that, then what's stopping us?


Ummmmm...These guys?
www.dailycal.org
2012-09-19 01:30:22 AM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: cchris_39: Romney should grab this issue and run with it.

How many able bodied adults do we have on welfare or making too little to pay taxes?

Put some shame back into being one of them AND put the blame squarely on Obama for them being there.

It's an emotional issue and there is a legitimate debate there.

My sister (who I'm staying with) has 3 cats. A momma cat, her 10-week-old kitten, and another cat probably about 4-5 months old that just showed up one day. When I put out the food, the kitten will always jump on top of the food and start grownling at the other two, as if to say, "this is mine! Get your own!"

If I throw out a hot dog or something, the first cat to get to it will grab it and run away from the others to eat. If another kitty comes near it, it will begin growling and be willing to fight for what it views as its own.

This reminds me so much of the attitude of people like Mittens. They grabbed theirs, and never mind the fact that it's more than they need, and taking that much leaves none for everyone else. If the poor people want more, then they should go find it somewhere else. They seem to think that there is some magical resource fairy that will create huge estates and nice cars for everyone if they just worked a little harder, never mind the fact that they aren't willing to pay their own employees enough to afford such luxuries, nor that there simply isn't enough land to give everyone a nice estate.

For someone that laid off as many people as Mittens did while at Bain Capital, and then took their pensions as "consulting fees", he's got a lot of damn gall to say that so many people feel "entitled".


Yeah, I'm surprised more people don't mention this. Romney and his fellow vulture capitalists laid off workers, outsourced the jobs overseas, gutted financially solvent companies....THEY'RE the reason there aren't more jobs around. It was predatory behavior like Bain and its cronies that helped ensure that people who lost jobs couldn't find new ones...and then had no recourse but to go on unemployment and then welfare when that ran out.

Does this not occur to anyone else except us?
2012-09-19 12:01:21 AM
1 votes:

Overfiend: WhyteRaven74: Overfiend: I think the meat of his statement was true.

No, not it wasn't.

Well, based on your convincing argument, I have changed my mind.

Vote Obama


Well, for most of us, it takes a bit more than that to decide. For the bumper sticker crowd, for whom life can be encapsulated in one sentence? Short! Simple! Good! The clown rodeo that is the Romney campaign? The clown car that is the GOP?

Yes, it probably is best you vote Obama. The Democrats even want idiots to do well.
2012-09-18 11:47:41 PM
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: freetomato: When we came upon a business opportunity (a campground/ghost town in a national forest with a thriving membership in an area with more tourists than campgrounds), he dove in and started crunching numbers, and wrote up a fantastic business plan that the USDA Small Business Administration in th ...

I'm sorry that didn't work out for you.


Thanks. I guess the point of my rant was that if we, possessed of battle tested bootstraps, couldn't get a break, who could? And I was all set to have the first ever El Dorado County Fark Party Amongst Giant Pines and Gold Mines.

Wasn't that part of the point of the bank bailouts? To get the economy moving? There were 15 people employed at the ranch that have since lost their jobs because the place is sitting empty. Our plan brought another 15 on board, minimum. That's 30 people that could have been paying taxes and spending their paychecks in the local county. We even asked the local politicians for support - I hate all caps, but I'm feeling all caps - THE DEMOCRATIC ONES HAD OUR BACK, THE REPUBLICAN ONES DIDN'T EVEN ANSWER OUR EMAILS.

/threadshiat done

Grrr. Sorry. It will take a while to get over this.
2012-09-18 11:44:43 PM
1 votes:
Something else that struck me in the video. Romney mocks Obama for supposedly having a foreign policy that consists of only 'I'm so great, everyone will love me.' Yet later on he says that just the possibility that he'll be elected will have a magical effect on the markets; that he's so great, the economy will improve just because everyone loves him.

farkin' balls
2012-09-18 10:57:15 PM
1 votes:
Just wanted to tell you: This was an amazing thread and that from here until November, good luck. We're all counting on you.

ametia.files.wordpress.com
2012-09-18 10:41:24 PM
1 votes:

Ludovico_D_Technique_Esq: Mitt Romney's name would be Mudd.


changingaging.org
"I beg your pardon!"
2012-09-18 10:36:41 PM
1 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: I don't think this tape will change too many people from "Romney voters" to "Obama voters."

But, I do think it could do several things:

1. It could turn "Romney voters" into "Third Party voters" or "non-voters."
2. It could turn "Obama voters" into "Obama donors" or even "Obama volunteers."
3. Similarly, it could turn "Romney volunteers" and "Romney donors" into only "Romney voters."

All of these could have an impact on the outcome of various state electoral college results, as well as down-ticket races in the House and Senate.



xtupload.com

Romney also announces what he would do to plan a terrorist attack on America if he were Iran. He said he would let off a dirty b0mb in a major American city. He's basically giving the terrorists tips.

Now, imagine if between now and the election some piece of shiat were to let off a dirty b0mb somewhere in the US. Mitt Romney's name would be Mudd.
2012-09-18 10:31:59 PM
1 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: All of these could have an impact on the outcome of various state electoral college results, as well as down-ticket races in the House and Senate.


That's what makes me wonder about this choice by the Republicans. There were other people that weren't total turnoffs to most of the American people in general. Why not Gingrich? He doesn't have any more baggage than Clinton. Why not Santorum? Even though he had extreme views on abortion, homosexuality, and birth control, the guy was certainly far more sincere than Romney, and he never seemed as though he was "better" than anyone else (except the homos and the "blah" people). Why not Huckabee? Well liked, well respected, no real baggage, and more people could identify with him.

Why Romney? He's as moderate of a Republican as you can find, but he's trying to run as a "conservative" and he's just not pulling it off. He's not a good politician. Now, this selection could bite the Republicans in the ass because so many people will identify the (R) with him.
2012-09-18 10:20:37 PM
1 votes:

Overfiend: I think the meat of his statement was true.


No, not it wasn't.
2012-09-18 10:13:41 PM
1 votes:
"You end up taking 100% of a person's income"

What.

The.

fark?!?

This man is insane. He has completely lost touch with reality. He would be an absolute disaster as President. Absolute disaster.
2012-09-18 10:01:49 PM
1 votes:
Christ, what an asshole.
2012-09-18 09:56:37 PM
1 votes:
But Romney's not that good at business. Companies similar to Bain have a 93% success rate, Bain had a 57% success rate. 43% of the time they totally failed at what sounds like a pretty easy business. He can't even do what good business people do and hide their sociopathic tendencies behind a slick veneer of fake courteousness and care. He just oozes an oily insincerity and more than a bit of creepiness.
2012-09-18 09:54:56 PM
1 votes:

CapHuff: I am voting against President Obama's attempt to serve two terms because I do not believe it is in America's best interest to have the government redistribute wealth.


Mmm, no.

You *do* believe in wealth distribution even if you are not quite cognizant of the fact.

Lemme help ya there.

You believe in the same type of wealth distribution schemes (ie trickle down aka increased tax cuts on the wealthiest) that have led to the shameful levels of wealth inequality that exist now in America.

A trend that is ultimately unsustainable if you wish to continue to live in what could be considered a first world country.

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: [rockwell47v53]]

A few of you are missing the forest for the trees. Romney's not talking about little old ladies on Medicare or Dennis the Menace's family up there with a -0.02% federal income tax. He's talking about a group of people that will reliably vote Democratic because they vote for government handouts at the expense of hardworking American taxpayers, laughing all the way to the food stamp bank from their public housing, because they are inherently irresponsible citizens.


THIS.

It's the same whistle he blew later on that day with his supporters after he got himself booed at the NAACP gig for saying he'd repeal ACA.

"Obama voters" = "Urban voters" = Reagan's "Welfare Queens" = black voters.

It's not just a class war he and the GOP wage here.

/Cue the false absolutist "all Reps are racist" canard.
//Thirty plus years of this stuff and they still get offended when ya notice.
///Yeesh. 
2012-09-18 09:54:43 PM
1 votes:
on Freeperland, there are posters actually screaming "class warfare", and condemning Mittens.

i'm shocked.



"My job is not to worry about those people," he said. "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Reagan never would have said that - he was relentlessly positive and believed in everyone ... which is why the "class warfare" charge never stuck to him.

Next

This statement was totally opposite from Reagan's positive message of opportunity for all. Reagan showed us how to win, but I'm afraid Romney has shown how conservatives lose.

Next

I agree, that in this day and age when the so-called gaffe can absolutely derail ANY public figure, the Governor has made one. If persons were to step back and think it through, they could perhaps not be stampeded by the corrupt media.

Too bad Mitt Romney does not seem to have any working class adviser's, or if he does, they did not educate him. He could have separated the actual figures and called it say 20 percent free loaders. These people chuckle and laugh as they party on. They think the lower paid working class are fools and dupes. What may be not understood is the absolute inertia and slough that seeps in, when there is NO obligation to society.

To then finally drag one`s self to get out there and do it for a low income, is what keeps many from becoming at least self supporting.

Excuse the ramble, but I do know where it is at, being working class myself and in 40 odd years of working, had collectively two years on unemployment.
2012-09-18 09:54:27 PM
1 votes:

rufus-t-firefly: tenpoundsofcheese: Watching this makes me look forward to the debates. He knows the details and has strong viewpoints.

Romney's only "strong viewpoint" is that he REALLY REALLY REALLY wants to be president.

He has given no details on how he would make the economy recover at a faster pace than Obama's policies have done. He's supposedly an expert on the details...but apparently thinks the electorate doesn't need to hear them.

Pretty much every one of his "viewpoints" can't quite be considered "strong" because they've changed at least once (and in many cases, multiple times) between 1994 and 2012, depending on what group he was pandering to at the time.

"I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose."
"I never really called myself pro-choice."

"I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it."
"Roe v. Wade has gone too far."

"I will work and fight for stem cell research."
"In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise."

"It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam."
"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there."

"Those... paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship."
"Amnesty only led to more people coming into the country."

"Based on the number"I'm a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering."s of American Muslims... I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified."
"A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith."

"I'm not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts."
"Social Security's the easiest and that's because you can give people a personal account."

"I would like to have campaign spending limits."
"The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates and their positions without burdensome limitations."

"I supported the assault weapon ban."
"I don't support any gun control legislation."

"I believe the tax on capital gains should be zero."
"It's a tax cut for fat cats."

"These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress."
"Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore."

"I don't line up with the NRA."
"I'm a member of the [NRA]."

"If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation."
"I like mandates. The mandates work."
"I think it's unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front."

"I'm a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering."
"I changed my position."


At least obama has been fairly pro-gun, or gun-neutral. Romeny's flip-flopping on those positions alone would cut me out of his voter pool.
2012-09-18 09:39:46 PM
1 votes:

CapHuff: I am voting against President Obama's attempt to serve two terms because I do not believe it is in America's best interest to have the government redistribute wealth.


President Barack Obama's policies do not, I repeat do not redistribute wealth. That is the stupidest statement ever. Even that phrase 'redistribute wealth' makes it sound like wealthy people are stripped of all their money and poor people get it all. Totally absurd.
2012-09-18 09:38:44 PM
1 votes:
It's about time the country club and the trailer park parted company.
They are not natural allies.
2012-09-18 09:34:49 PM
1 votes:
In a sign that members of his party fear the political fallout, Linda McMahon, a Republican running for U.S. Senate in Connecticut, put out a statement distancing herself from Romney's stated position.

"I disagree with Governor Romney's insinuation that 47 percent of Americans believe they are victims who must depend on the government for their care," McMahon said in the statement. "I know that the vast majority of those who rely on government are not in that situation because they want to be. People today are struggling because the government has failed to keep America competitive, failed to support job creators, and failed to get our economy back on track."


Link

I wonder who is next.
2012-09-18 09:28:03 PM
1 votes:

Shrugging Atlas: Weaver95: feeding people is apparently an 'entitlement' now. that's mind boggling. look, even if you want to believe that you've got a moral right to starve people to death in order to save yourself a few bucks come tax day, you still have to admit that letting people die of starvation is REALLY BAD for maintaining social order. people tend to fight against a slow death while watching some rich fat white guy roll by stuffing his face with a double bacon cheeseburger and a nice chianti.

That's the one line that drives me screen-punching insane. That one line from the same cock sucking asshole who has a tax deduction for a DRESSAGE HORSE.

1. Health Care
2. Food
3. Housing

These are things for which we should strive as a nation to not have shortages of in 21st century America. I'm not going to say it's possible, but it should be the goal of this country and it's people to provide these things in whatever ways that can be managed.

The fact people die because of lack of food, shelter, or health care should be an outrage to any candidate wishing to lead this country. Those people shouldn't be grouped together and declared beyond help because you're policies do nothing but dick them over and they won't vote for you as a result.

I say this in complete honesty: I farking hate Mitt Romney. I hate him personally. I hate what he stands for. I hate his attitude towards people of all walks of life. I straight up hate the man, and I hope he fails in such an embarassing fashion he won't even be able to fill Sarah Palin's spot as a guest speaker on Fox when this is all said and done.


What I can't understand is how these people don't realize that every person feels they are entitled to those three things. Without those things, we die. When it comes down to it, people will do anything to stay alive, and when the option is severely beating someone for their wallet and risking the legal consequences, or starving to death, every last one of us would choose the former. Same goes for shelter. People, just like animals will literally kill for shelter, because we need it to survive.

I make pretty good money, and I believe a large part of that was because of my work ethic and all that jazz. However, I'm not conceited enough to say I did it without help and without some luck. I'm certainly not stupid enough to want those who are less fortunate to see their options as being to either die on the first cold night this autumn or murder me for my coat. I'd absolutely rather pay into social programs to help them stay in reasonable condition, and to help them get out of their situation and become better off. Of course some people will abuse that, but that's part of the game.

America, where the rich are too poor and the poor got it too good.

/fark Romney
2012-09-18 09:26:09 PM
1 votes:

johnnyrocket: Dust: Obama just posted this to his Facebook:

[i49.tinypic.com image 800x800]

Those southern states who take all the Federal money and don't pay federal taxes would be a good start to cut out.

Worth reposting:

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x454]


I think there needs to be a national incentive to figure out what the fark is going on in those red states. And I'm not kidding here. What can be done to fix it? Are the people there happy with the situation? Why are the all linked geographically?

Like I said, I'm not kidding. I know the CSA jokes write themselves, but I'd like an honest assessment of just what the fark is happening to cause that. I think the US as a whole would benefit from the knowledge.
2012-09-18 09:25:21 PM
1 votes:

Dust: Obama just posted this to his Facebook:

[i49.tinypic.com image 800x800]


i.imgur.com

To be fair, I may have gone over 47%.
2012-09-18 09:19:27 PM
1 votes:

Dust: Obama just posted this to his Facebook:

[i49.tinypic.com image 800x800]


Those southern states who take all the Federal money and don't pay federal taxes would be a good start to cut out.

Worth reposting:

cdn.theatlantic.com
2012-09-18 09:13:37 PM
1 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: I am still left curious and frustrated as to why it took a month for the website media to address the video. The TV media is understandable, they're hesitant to report anything substantial and only do when pressured by actual news on the internet or foreign TV.
It even had a Fark thread, although buried in video tab 
WTF, world?


I'm sure it has already been clarified but just in case, nobody was willing to champion the video until they could confirm it was legit and not a hacked together edit job a la Project Veritas. That's right: even places like Daily Kos weren't pushing this one until they could authenticate it. It turns out the original guy did do some funny business with the silver spoon quote, so it's for the best that this was verified first.
2012-09-18 09:10:47 PM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: /there's a reason they hide it behind magic underwear


mittromneycentral.com
"It has to be magic to contain this much awesomeness."
2012-09-18 09:10:35 PM
1 votes:
So aside from the two-question press conference last night, has the Romney camp released anything more today? I haven't seen it. Kind of seems like a more fleshed out response is warranted.
2012-09-18 09:05:26 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Watching this makes me look forward to the debates. He knows the details and has strong viewpoints. 0bama will fall back on vision statements feel good things and demonizing successful business people. The country will either elect a daddy figure or a successful business person and leader.

My bet is they go with the daddy figure. The person who they can have a beer with instead of the person who will help you earn more money so you can buy your own beer.


My business has tripled in business in the last four years. Were Rmoney to get anywhere near it I wouldn't have a business, considering how he and Bain took care of the places they bought.
2012-09-18 09:01:46 PM
1 votes:

cr7pilot: Yes, clearly I'm the idiot here...


If it comes down to your ditzy acquaintance being able to have food stamps or Kim Kardashian being able to afford some more lip injections, I'm going to side with your ditzy acquaintance every time. Hopefully Obamacare allows her to pick up some health insurance while she bounces around those entry level jobs.
2012-09-18 08:58:00 PM
1 votes:
propasaurus: In what way does referring to someone as an idiot make your point? Isn't that what made this like funny? freepers saying stupid shiat just because people disagreed with them? You are a caricature of yourself. Please go away.
2012-09-18 08:56:32 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: You need better friends.

/birds of a feather
/and lying down with dogs....


Here's my thing: I don't hang out with people bobbing head agreeing types, I tend to hang out with people of differing views to get more informed on subjects. Sure, I don't agree with what my friend said, I even called him on the irony of the situation and his flawed thinking, but in the end of it all, he simply stated: "I farking hate Obama." It's not because he's black, or muslim (like my parents tend to think) or that he's running the country into the ground or things of that nature, it's because he was a medical student (flunked out of med school, to be completely honest) because he wanted to be a doctor like his mother. He felt Obamacare is the ruination of the medical industry and there's no way he'd be able to be rich like his parents if he followed through and became a doctor. He really felt this way!

I will say he's been unemployed because he quit his job at USAA. He can't find a job anywhere, and he truly believes it's Obama's fault and quotes Romney's promise of 12 Million jobs in the next 4 years as the countries only saving grace.

Here's where I stand:
Romney: Ain't gonna happen. Even if I did vote for him, he won't win this election with things like the video posted above. Were he to win, the Left would scream about voter fraud and ballot box fixing and God knows what else as the reasons he won. We'd also be in worse shape overall because he honestly has no real plan for once he's in office. He's going to hire a bunch of bureaucrats that he agrees with that will run the country like their personal piggy bank, setting up their friends to make tons of money, ala Cheney and Halliburton. I believe this because it is the track record of the Right Wing, if this is what they've done, they're going to do it again.

Obama: Winning this election means nothing if the house and Congress go red. They'll continue to stymie him the whole way, while Congress gets nothing done, or fillibustered into eternity again. Nothing will get accomplished, just like the last 2 years, and the nation doesn't move forward from the recovery. Again, with history as the teacher, the Right will sink our country just to snub Obama, and he doesn't have the gall or balls to stand up and make them do their farking jobs. Sure, he's witty, charming and good at speeches, but that's not what we need as a country.

What we need is a Teddy Roosevelt to go in and start cracking some political skulls, take the mother farkers to task. The Democrat party keeps laying down whenever the 'Evil Right' roars and stamps it's cloven hooves, effectively giving into their demands when they have a minority in the Congress. Their belief is if they give the Republicans something, they'll in turn give something back, which has sort of been the way for many decades. But this new breed of the Right are more extreme than ever before in their history. They're also fractured, which is Obama's only hope. With the Right being so fractured catering to the fringe groups, they're having a hard time collecting them all at the base, But again, even if Romney loses, this country still doesn't win.

When Bush was in office and held the Congress and House, they bumrushed all sorts of stuff through the system. The left does not do this. I've always complained that the Left can't even throw a farking birthday party right. They get down to getting the ice cream and start worrying about offending people that want Chocolate as it'd be racially insensitive to not have it present, and people with Strawberry allergies have to have something besides Vanilla, and Rocky Road is needed to, but they'll need to get some Chunky Monkey for the people with Nut Allergies, and let's not forget the representatives that want Butter Pecan and before you know it, the Republicans have run off with the cake, knocked up the birthday girl, and opened all the presents. Now, it's the Rights turn to feel this pain as they try to appease the Truthers, the 'True Christians', the 'Real Americans', the Birthers, The Tea Party... they're fractured and having trouble getting them all to agree, but in the end, they'll all just punch the ticket labeled (R) for no better reason than the other side has a (D).
2012-09-18 08:54:30 PM
1 votes:

shower_in_my_socks: r1chard3: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x454]

and here's where those shiftless no good lazy good for nuthin 47% live

As I said yesterday: Mitt just insulted the GOP base, but they're too misinformed to realize it.

 

i622.photobucket.com
2012-09-18 08:52:57 PM
1 votes:

CapHuff: I'm an old guy. I am a Republican. I don't care if you disagree with me. I like to argue politics with open minded people. I haven't been on this site for quite a while. There used to be a lot of back and forth. Now it seems to be the mirror of a right-wing freeper site. That is too bad. I am voting against President Obama's attempt to serve two terms because I do not believe it is in America's best interest to have the government redistribute wealth I'm an idiot who believes Right Wing propaganda. IMHO, what made this country is opportunity, and the fact that if you work hard your background does not matter. The failed policies of FDR and LBJ have not helped the poor, just the opposite. I do not believe that anyone should be receiving a tax refund for more tax than they had withheld. The government is not your Daddy. I have five kids, not a lot of money to go around. Once my kids grew up, they took care of themselves. They are not counting on the government or Daddy. Whatever - if you gotta hate, hate the opposing candidate. But don't hate people just because you disagree with them. I voted against this guy, but he got elected. He sucks at his job, in my opinion, but I don't hate him. I didn't even hate Jimmy Carter, who was worse than this guy, and he wasn't even a Kenyan! I did hate Clinton for a while when it was clear he was a liar, but I also hated Nixon when it was clear he was a liar so I have no guilt about that. You guys laugh at the idiotic mindless froth ITA, but in my reading of the comments in this thread, I see no real difference.

When all is said and done, a flourishing economy is what will make things better. President Obama has failed to improve the economy. Unless you count, y'know... the economy. While increasing the national debt by going on 5 trillion dollars. His predecessor was a total boob. But I voted for him anyway. Twice. His opponent is a total nerd. If there is anything your generation should understand, it is that the really nerdy guys (admission: poster is an engineer) but the nerdy guys know how to fix things. President is and has been ...

2012-09-18 08:48:54 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: feeding people is apparently an 'entitlement' now. that's mind boggling. look, even if you want to believe that you've got a moral right to starve people to death in order to save yourself a few bucks come tax day, you still have to admit that letting people die of starvation is REALLY BAD for maintaining social order. people tend to fight against a slow death while watching some rich fat white guy roll by stuffing his face with a double bacon cheeseburger and a nice chianti.


That's the one line that drives me screen-punching insane. That one line from the same cock sucking asshole who has a tax deduction for a DRESSAGE HORSE.

1. Health Care
2. Food
3. Housing

These are things for which we should strive as a nation to not have shortages of in 21st century America. I'm not going to say it's possible, but it should be the goal of this country and it's people to provide these things in whatever ways that can be managed.

The fact people die because of lack of food, shelter, or health care should be an outrage to any candidate wishing to lead this country. Those people shouldn't be grouped together and declared beyond help because you're policies do nothing but dick them over and they won't vote for you as a result.

I say this in complete honesty: I farking hate Mitt Romney. I hate him personally. I hate what he stands for. I hate his attitude towards people of all walks of life. I straight up hate the man, and I hope he fails in such an embarassing fashion he won't even be able to fill Sarah Palin's spot as a guest speaker on Fox when this is all said and done.
2012-09-18 08:46:43 PM
1 votes:

r1chard3: [cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x454]

and here's where those shiftless no good lazy good for nuthin 47% live



As I said yesterday: Mitt just insulted the GOP base, but they're too misinformed to realize it.
2012-09-18 08:41:09 PM
1 votes:
cdn.theatlantic.com

and here's where those shiftless no good lazy good for nuthin 47% live
2012-09-18 08:40:54 PM
1 votes:

lemurs: thornhill: The ultimate effect of this will be that it's another week the media is talking about something other than the jobless rate, economy, etc, and Romney is rapidly running out of weeks.

There's exactly 7 weeks to go until the election, by my count. By the time the news cycle is finished digesting these latest unflattering statements, we'll be down to 6 weeks. That's not a lot of time. There's still three presidential debates to go, but this is not the trajectory of a winning campaign.


This isn't the trajectory of a paper friggin' airplane - you can at least keep those things in the air for the length of a gymnasium.

The real problem here is that Romney is being himself, and his handlers can't spin it otherwise, because it's obvious in both parts of that video that Romney's being himself. He's pandering to an audience, telling them what they want to hear, when they want to hear it, because they're going to give him money to do so.

Romney, in that video, is the political whore we know him to be, and what truly scares me about the possibility of a Romney presidency is that, as with any other political whore, he's for sale to the bidder that can give him the most for his services.

He won't be serving, or servicing, you. You don't count. He'll be servicing the folks in that room, the high-rollers, the big-wigs, the only people that matter in his world. You're just consumer units, there to make the folks in that room, including him, rich. Why would anyone elect him?
2012-09-18 08:36:09 PM
1 votes:

pacified: I don't see why having kids gets you a tax write off.


Because children are the future. Obviously.

/Have one. Love him to death even when he drives me to distraction.
//More seriously: because we have a social contract that says that I pay a little less tax now while I bear the cost of raising my child, who will more than pay that back when his taxes are supporting your and my Medicare and Social Security.
///Or would you prefer that my child file for himself as "Single, not head of household"?
2012-09-18 08:35:45 PM
1 votes:

CapHuff: I am an engineer. State college. Government sponsored student loans. "You didn't build that" was a dumb thing to say, but has some validity.


Fair call. I can respect your honesty in admitting that you have benefited from the government in some way.
There's a lot of people like you who benefit from government aid, either directly or indirectly, yet blather on about "wealth redistribution". Upon what leg do you stand when you say that? Or is it more like "wealth redistribution to people I don't like?"

That phrase is just meaningless. Tax revenue circulates. It's how the whole system works.
2012-09-18 08:33:57 PM
1 votes:
SERIOUS QUESTION: Republicans - you had a good argument going with the whole "we pay too much taxes" angle. I disagreed, but at least you had a message. Now you're complaining that people aren't paying ENOUGH taxes. This is the exact opposite of what you've been saying for the past three years. So now I'm confused: Are you happy for the 47% who don't pay Federal income tax because you're against taxes, or are you mad at them because you LIKE taxes and you want people to pay more?
2012-09-18 08:33:53 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: When will righties realize that Obama is everything they claim to love and say they are


Let's change that to: When will righties realize that Obama the black man is everything they claim to love and say they are... do you still think they can see it?
2012-09-18 08:30:59 PM
1 votes:
I love Romney, it's like he's going out of his way to make sure all of the attacks used against Obama in the '08 election are invalid this time around. You can't take Mitt seriously if he says Obama is an out of touch elitist. Mitt can't say that Obama has done nothing with his time in office, while knowing HCR was based on Mass. You can't possibly say he's weak on foreign policy, in fact he can't bring it up at all because all he has done is piss off other nations. Any possible (and obviously fallacious) comments about his religion have to be avoided because that opens the door on questions about being Mormon and where his loyalties lie. God I want the debates to start soon. Granted Obama could win just by letting Romney talk for both their turns, but it'd be nice to see an active offense as well.
God Bless you Mitt, you out-of-touch, money grubbing, un-reliable asshole. The democrats have never looked so good and they had PAlin to help last time.
2012-09-18 08:28:30 PM
1 votes:
"who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims,

"Had he been born of Mexican parents," the Republican hopeful said, "I'd have a better shot of winning this."


Whenever someone says "i'm tired of everyone being a victim because I'm the real victim" they're already making excuses. It's like he expects to lose already.
2012-09-18 08:25:45 PM
1 votes:

spamdog: CapHuff: I have five kids, not a lot of money to go around.

What do you do for a living?


Ah, pardon me, you said you were an engineer.
What kind of engineer? Your job wouldn't happen to be kept afloat by government infrastructure jobs or military spending, would it?
2012-09-18 08:25:19 PM
1 votes:

spamdog: What do you do for a living?


He's an engineer with five kids so there's not a lot of money to go around, but those kids are grown and out of the house, so I'm not sure why there's still not a lot of money to go around, since those kids are bootstrappy and don't ask for handouts.
2012-09-18 08:21:45 PM
1 votes:
The ultimate effect of this will be that it's another week the media is talking about something other than the jobless rate, economy, etc, and Romney is rapidly running out of weeks.
2012-09-18 08:14:31 PM
1 votes:
I'm an old guy. I am a Republican. I don't care if you disagree with me. I like to argue politics with open minded people. I haven't been on this site for quite a while. There used to be a lot of back and forth. Now it seems to be the mirror of a right-wing freeper site. That is too bad. I am voting against President Obama's attempt to serve two terms because I do not believe it is in America's best interest to have the government redistribute wealth. IMHO, what made this country is opportunity, and the fact that if you work hard your background does not matter. The failed policies of FDR and LBJ have not helped the poor, just the opposite. I do not believe that anyone should be receiving a tax refund for more tax than they had withheld. The government is not your Daddy. I have five kids, not a lot of money to go around. Once my kids grew up, they took care of themselves. They are not counting on the government or Daddy. Whatever - if you gotta hate, hate the opposing candidate. But don't hate people just because you disagree with them. I voted against this guy, but he got elected. He sucks at his job, in my opinion, but I don't hate him. I didn't even hate Jimmy Carter, who was worse than this guy, and he wasn't even a Kenyan! I did hate Clinton for a while when it was clear he was a liar, but I also hated Nixon when it was clear he was a liar so I have no guilt about that. You guys laugh at the idiotic mindless froth ITA, but in my reading of the comments in this thread, I see no real difference.

When all is said and done, a flourishing economy is what will make things better. President Obama has failed to improve the economy. While increasing the national debt by going on 5 trillion dollars. His predecessor was a total boob. His opponent is a total nerd. If there is anything your generation should understand, it is that the really nerdy guys (admission: poster is an engineer) but the nerdy guys know how to fix things. President is and has been an activist and a professor and a politician. Those guys know how to fund raise and speechify and spend money. It's your future. Think about it, and get out and vote. Even if it's for that damn commie :)
2012-09-18 08:12:12 PM
1 votes:
i18.photobucket.com
2012-09-18 08:08:20 PM
1 votes:
How can the race still be as close as it is? I realize that the effects of this 47% bombshell are too recent to be incorporated into worthwhile polls, but Romney's been making a dog's brunch of this thing for weeks, months. How is this a horse race? At the same track, in the same county, on the same farking continent?!

I'm not the conspiracy-theorist type, but seemingly the only explanation is that the media and polling industries have a vested interest in maintaining the illusion (I hope) of something that isn't a foregone conclusion.

/ yes, I know there are a lot of ignorant idiots in this country who for various irrational reasons vote against their own (and the country's) best interests
2012-09-18 08:03:07 PM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: I am of the opinion that the maker of the infographic was meant to be sarcastic, especially considering who it showed as a "Romney voter" and an "Obama voter".


I like to call it "satirical." Sounds much more sophisticated.
2012-09-18 08:00:58 PM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: over 47 [ercemt of people who are old enough to be in the U.S. workforce --- pay no income taxes at all.


That is not true, on multiple levels. First of all, the 47% number is a reference to FEDERAL income tax. It does not include state income tax, which many of them still pay. Secondly, almost all of that 47% are people who A) are retired and collecting social security, B) so poor that they don't owe anything, C) are disabled, many of them veterans. This fantasy you've imagined of half the farking country just sitting around living off of the government is a figment of your imagination.


Silly Jesus: Politicians - liberal politicians - make it easy for them.


Also NOT TRUE. Who has been cutting taxes? Reagan and Dubya. Outside of the very rich, WHO ELSE did you think was getting their taxes cut? Some mythical group of people who aren't in the 47%?

It's a staggering level of stupidity to complain that we need more taxes cut, and THEN complain that not enough people are paying taxes. Just tell us what the fark you want. Romney only pays 14%. Are you pissed at him, too?
2012-09-18 07:59:52 PM
1 votes:

Double-oh Steven: Corvus. Take a step back for a second and breathe. The infographic does not have the right information on it. It's misleading, i.e. "you're not helping.jpg." I am not taking up a position that agrees with Romney. I am not attacking the poor. I am a liberal. I just want the facts that my side uses to be right. The facts matter, and this infographic does not have correct facts. That's my point.

Is this OK with you, or am I a crazy liar?


I am of the opinion that the maker of the infographic was meant to be sarcastic, especially considering who it showed as a "Romney voter" and an "Obama voter".
2012-09-18 07:58:56 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: shower_in_my_socks: Dust: Obama just posted this to his Facebook:

[i49.tinypic.com image 800x800]


All of the fark independent trolls should kneel at Obama's alter. The dude is the master.

[thumbs.newschoolers.com image 386x282]
That.. that was beautiful.


i159.photobucket.com
2012-09-18 07:56:14 PM
1 votes:

Double-oh Steven: The IRS offers a 20 to 35 percent kickback on up to $3,000 ($6,000 if you have two or more kids) of qualifying childcare expenses you accrued in 2011. If your AGI is $15,000 a year or less, you get the full childcare tax credit; if it's more than $43,000, the figure drops to 20 percent. So if you earn $45,000 a year and spend $6,000 on childcare for two kids, the tax credit equals just $1,200.

The infographic is a lie. Facts matter.


But it's not a lie. You can enter those figures in and see for yourself.

PS: updated to fix the confusion of "child expenses" deduction/credit what have you.

growlersoftware.com
2012-09-18 07:51:43 PM
1 votes:

Dust: Obama just posted this to his Facebook:

[i49.tinypic.com image 800x800]


I can think of a good place to start:

i279.photobucket.com
2012-09-18 07:50:57 PM
1 votes:

Double-oh Steven: All2morrowsparTs: Double-oh Steven: Hey.

Has no one else noticed that Impaler's infographic is not correct?

with 13,000 in deductions, the family at left still has 60,000 in taxable income. The rate on that is a lot higher than -0.02%.

Whoever designed that info-graphic does not know what they're talking about, yet, nobody seems to notice or care.

Deductions != Credits

The childcare tax credit

The IRS offers a 20 to 35 percent kickback on up to $3,000 ($6,000 if you have two or more kids) of qualifying childcare expenses you accrued in 2011. If your AGI is $15,000 a year or less, you get the full childcare tax credit; if it's more than $43,000, the figure drops to 20 percent. So if you earn $45,000 a year and spend $6,000 on childcare for two kids, the tax credit equals just $1,200.

The infographic is a lie. Facts matter.


But the child care tax credit didn't exist on the infographic. So therefore it must not exist like you were saying earlier.
2012-09-18 07:49:54 PM
1 votes:

Double-oh Steven: Corvus: Double-oh Steven:
That's not all the deductions a family like that would get for one.

But no other deductions are listed on the infographic. It implies that anyone making 73k and who has those two deductions is paying negative taxes -- that's not correct. Why are you defending an infographic with incorrect info on it?


It expects people to have a minimal understanding of the tax law unlike you.

Are you telling me you have never heard of "the child tax credit" ever?

So then it had to have the entire US tax code written on it or you consider it ""incorrect"?

It's not necessarily "incorrect" it just doesn't have all the information. That's not the same thing. You are the one lying.
2012-09-18 07:45:59 PM
1 votes:
pbs.twimg.com
2012-09-18 07:43:57 PM
1 votes:

Double-oh Steven: Hey.

Has no one else noticed that Impaler's infographic is not correct?

with 13,000 in deductions, the family at left still has 60,000 in taxable income. The rate on that is a lot higher than -0.02%.

Whoever designed that info-graphic does not know what they're talking about, yet, nobody seems to notice or care.


Child care expense is actually a credit (not a deduction) of up to $6,000 for 2 or more kids, IIRC. Also, the graphic doesn't even include standard deductions. So, yes, the graphic is misleading, but that family probably doesn't pay income taxes.

PS: Don't have kids, so don't know much about this. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
2012-09-18 07:42:54 PM
1 votes:

vernonFL: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Prisons / Workhouses 2012


PRIVATE Prisons and Workhouses (unlike those pinko socialist ones from Scrooge's time)! That way they can be used to make the Koch brothers even more filthy stinking rich.
2012-09-18 07:42:34 PM
1 votes:
There seems to be a huge fork in the Romney family tree.

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax."
― Mitt Romney

"There is an interdependence between those who have and those who have not. The process of giving exalts the poor and humbles the rich. In the process, both are sanctified."
― Marion G. Romney
2012-09-18 07:40:19 PM
1 votes:

Double-oh Steven: Hey.

Has no one else noticed that Impaler's infographic is not correct?

with 13,000 in deductions, the family at left still has 60,000 in taxable income. The rate on that is a lot higher than -0.02%.

Whoever designed that info-graphic does not know what they're talking about, yet, nobody seems to notice or care.


That's not all the deductions a family like that would get for one.
2012-09-18 07:38:35 PM
1 votes:
I am voting obama even tho I normally vote republican.
But I was going to when they announced mittens rmoney as the republican can'tdidate...
We already know what daddy rmoney did to michigan as gov, and the shiat don't fall far from the a$$hole...
2012-09-18 07:37:11 PM
1 votes:
What unspeakably evil man. "And, and, and fark every American who isn't wealthy like us."
2012-09-18 07:35:27 PM
1 votes:
Hey.

Has no one else noticed that Impaler's infographic is not correct?

with 13,000 in deductions, the family at left still has 60,000 in taxable income. The rate on that is a lot higher than -0.02%.

Whoever designed that info-graphic does not know what they're talking about, yet, nobody seems to notice or care.
2012-09-18 07:26:23 PM
1 votes:
These victims of big government entitlements seem like a pretty worthless lot, since they don't have any skin in the game. We'd better raise the capital gains tax from 15% though, lest these able-bodied investors lull themselves into cradle-to-grave complacency and become another drain on the American taxpayer.
2012-09-18 07:24:37 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: he's lost control of his message.

Romney's never been in control of the General Election. Obama has controlled the narrative at every turn. When Romney tries to wrench it from him, he drops the narrative on his foot and face plants.

I guess I just expected Romney to...y'know...actually know what he's doing. Obama hasn't even hit Romney with the heavy artillery yet, and Romney is flailing around like a rank amateur.


It actually is kind of weird. Despite my dislike of his arrogance, overweening sense of entitlement, lack of any discernable principles, and horrible politics, I always had the sense that Romney was a pretty competent executive leader. But this campaign reminds me of the time my dog got his head stuck in a bucket and just thrashed around until we took it off him.
2012-09-18 07:24:13 PM
1 votes:
The scary is if Romney still wins, he'll be able to claim a MANDATE to fark the poor. Ironically, given to him in large measure by the very voters who will be farked.
2012-09-18 07:22:37 PM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: The only reason why FDR got most of his stuff through was because the moderates saw what Communism and Fascism did to Europe and the rest of the world

heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush got caught red handed instigating the Business Plot and were order to let the new deal go through or be executed for treason.

/FTFY
2012-09-18 07:22:04 PM
1 votes:

SeismicJizzer: I have to agree with the other farkers that this video isn't particularly damaging, but it helped cement the accurate description that this douchebag is a plutocrat.


It's not going to change GOP minds. But the Conservative minded Indys that really believe in the America Dream really don't like this kind of language. Exactly the people he needed to win over.
2012-09-18 07:21:50 PM
1 votes:

pacified: I don't see why having kids gets you a tax write off.


Have some and get back to us, sparky.
2012-09-18 07:21:16 PM
1 votes:
WOW, cant wait for the debates. As long as Obama doesnt interrupt Romney he will just beat himself.

// the old "rope-a-dope"
2012-09-18 07:16:43 PM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: I'm surprised at the number of Obama ads I'm seeing here in reddest-of-the-red Alabama. This is the latest poll I could find, from August, which shows Romney up by 18 points, 54 to 36. Five thirty-eight gives Romney a 100% chance to win Alabama. Seriously, what's the point of spending the money here, instead of putting it into battleground states like Ohio or Florida?


Obama's campaign has exponentially higher funding than Democrats challenging for House seats. The point is to get Democratic voters out on Election Day. Even if the state doesn't vote for Obama, one congressional district might flip to blue.
2012-09-18 07:09:32 PM
1 votes:
I don't see why having kids gets you a tax write off.
2012-09-18 07:06:40 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: That sucks. I can't say I understand exactly because my parents are pretty liberal, but I certainly know the feeling of not being able to change the actions or thoughts of older people. In the end, I guess we have to accept how they are and unconditionally love them.


That's pretty much how it is. We don't discuss politics. I believe in holding the President responsible for their actions and such. I disagreed with the war in Iraq, which pretty much pushed me all the way to the Liberal side, honestly. In the last 8 years since Kerry lost, I've mellowed out a lot, and moved back to center.

Proving that Obama is in line with Reagan's political stance is akin to taking the Lord's name in vain in their house, he's practically saintly. Even after the Republicans said Reagan has no place in their current Right Wing mindset and philosophy, they conveniently forgot it. My mother was a realtor during Reagan's administration and I completely recall how bad it was for us because the housing market dumped, but she has rose tinted glasses for the past, because she thinks he was the greatest president of her lifetime. Now, I'll agree, Uncle Ronnie was awesome, what he did in his 8 years impressed the shiat out of me as a kid, but the Clinton years were far better for me personally. With Obama in office, my life took a turn for the worse for about 7 months, then it's picked up better than it ever has, mainly because I adapt well, it has nothing to do with his presidency.

I lost my last job because the economy tanked with Bush in office, and my company held on to a few of us as long as they could, even taking losses on our employment until they just couldn't justify it to the bean counters anymore, and that was 2010. Most my friends lost their jobs around 2008-2010 as well, but only a few blame Obama. They main;y are pissed they can't find jobs.

But, yes, unconditional love for the parents even though we can't see eye to eye. When I was totally wrapped around my hate for W., nothing could have swayed my mindset. I find it hilarious to read Freepers because I was that caustic to Bush in 2003-2005, and many of the things they are saying about Obama are EXACTLY the things I was saying about Bush. It's come full circle, and I'm in a much better place mentally and emotionally (sobriety tends to do that) than I was back then.

I honestly was as bad as the freepers are, no joke. It's embarrassing, but a true fact. I somehow think if I can channel my mind into those days to understand the hatred, I can somehow find the key to unlocking my parents from their mindset as well. Then again, I'm just spinning my wheels and posting far too big of a post about it at this point.
2012-09-18 06:49:43 PM
1 votes:
It's okay though, Romney apologized.
2012-09-18 06:47:41 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: I don't think so. I think Romney's voters will pretty much support him no matter what. I don't think it will gain him independent voters but it won't lose him many either. However, it may fire up the Obama base who need to turn out to vote in November.


This is my mother completely. She's retired, living off of SS, her husband still brings home good, but not great, money. They both blame Obama for... well, everything. She actually posted on Facebook today that we should send Egypt our Muslim (with a picture of the president). It's just embarrassing.

Both my parents used to make great cash back in the day, and they have good nest eggs, money in the bank, etc. They are by no means hurting, they're not deciding which medications they have to go without nor are they eating cat food, but they felt the pinch when my mother retired from Oracle. They lament they can't shop at Costco as much as they like, and it's Obama's fault. They dislike the fact they tend to buy what's on sale instead of whatever is 'the best', and it's Obama's fault. They also believe Obama caused the financial crisis of 2008 because he was President when it went down, never mind it started with Bush in Office, it was Obama's fault for letting it slide for however long it took for us to get where we are now.

I'd like to point out that according to my parents, things like 'facts', 'data', 'charts' and such are tools of the liberal media that have a biased agenda to help destroy America by making our military weak and getting our nations credit rating reduced and Obama is going to disassemble all of Medicaid, which they use, all for the profit and greed of Allah. Yes, they think he is a secret Muslim that is somehow funding overseas terrorism through secret government programs and business fronts.

Now, I love my parents, I really do, I hope the best for them, but they are both getting high blood pressure because the President Is Near. My mother is from the backwoods of Tennessee, and my step-father escaped Nazi Occupied Poland as a baby (his mother was tattooed with her serial number at a concentration camp that she escaped, but his father died in) and I never thought either were racist until I saw 'the look', the scowl of disapproval and the abject fear and loathing put forth, to the point my mother spoke through her teeth about Obama and my step father spits his words out like they are poison.

It's disheartening to have the veil pulled back and to see them for what they really are: True, to the core, Right Wing Republicans. I can forgive them for the homophobia, the racism, and even the cluelessness, but the Republican part? Not so much.

To get back at them, I applied at Haliburton to go work in Iraq as a civilian, they all but offered me a Bribe to not go, though they fully supported the troops going.
2012-09-18 06:24:21 PM
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Darth_Lukecash: Weaver95:

feeding people is apparently an 'entitlement' now. that's mind boggling. look, even if you want to believe that you've got a moral right to starve people to death in order to save yourself a few bucks come tax day, you still have to admit that letting people die of starvation is REALLY BAD for maintaining social order. people tend to fight against a slow death while watching some rich fat white guy roll by stuffing his face with a double bacon cheeseburger and a nice chianti.

Weaver, buddy, They. Don't. Care.

The new conservatives believe in Social Darwinism. The rule of the jungle over the golden rule.

The only reason why FDR got most of his stuff through was because the moderates saw what Communism and Fascism did to Europe and the rest of the world.

The upper classes have been sucking on us like leaches. Their fears has sent them scurrying behind gated communities.

It will not help them. If things keep getting worse. If people finally catch on they they are not receiving their just share of the pie...

Well, let's just say there are far less of them then then there are of us.


Actually, this is very much Randian Libertarianism run wild.
2012-09-18 06:19:03 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95:

feeding people is apparently an 'entitlement' now. that's mind boggling. look, even if you want to believe that you've got a moral right to starve people to death in order to save yourself a few bucks come tax day, you still have to admit that letting people die of starvation is REALLY BAD for maintaining social order. people tend to fight against a slow death while watching some rich fat white guy roll by stuffing his face with a double bacon cheeseburger and a nice chianti.


Weaver, buddy, They. Don't. Care.

The new conservatives believe in Social Darwinism. The rule of the jungle over the golden rule.

The only reason why FDR got most of his stuff through was because the moderates saw what Communism and Fascism did to Europe and the rest of the world.

The upper classes have been sucking on us like leaches. Their fears has sent them scurrying behind gated communities.

It will not help them. If things keep getting worse. If people finally catch on they they are not receiving their just share of the pie...

Well, let's just say there are far less of them then then there are of us.
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2012-09-18 06:16:37 PM
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ourbigdumbmouth: You can't just go quoting people with out the full context of not only their statement, but also their life.

It's time for America to drop this crap (sorry), and come together.


So playing a video of someone saying what they actually did say is quoting them out of context?

You gopers are so cute when you use words and phrases you don't understand the meaning of to try to sound smart.
2012-09-18 06:07:45 PM
1 votes:

ox45tallboy: Seriously, what's the point of spending the money here, instead of putting it into battleground states like Ohio or Florida?


Motivating Democrats to go to the polls to get down-ticket votes. Alabama is definitely going to Romney, but there are probably some House districts that are in play. If someone is motivated enough to cast a futile vote for Obama, they'll probably be willing to cast a non-futile vote for JoeBob (D) over BillyBob (R).
2012-09-18 06:04:04 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: brianbankerus: I'll be curious to see if this moves the polls.

Any predictions?

any time you're on the defensive, it can't help. i'm guessing he remains even (as obama's convention bounce peters out) or drops a little more in ohio and michigan.


As I understand it, Ohio & Florida are both must-win states for Romney. Obama has several paths with only one of them, and a single path with neither.
2012-09-18 06:02:55 PM
1 votes:
I am still left curious and frustrated as to why it took a month for the website media to address the video. The TV media is understandable, they're hesitant to report anything substantial and only do when pressured by actual news on the internet or foreign TV.
It even had a Fark thread, although buried in video tab 
WTF, world?
2012-09-18 06:01:53 PM
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Nadie_AZ: They don't call it 'Godanity', there Mister. They call it 'Christianity'.


talkingpointsmemo.com
"They call it whatever the hell I tell them to call it, or they lose their seat in the next primary!"
2012-09-18 05:47:46 PM
1 votes:
www.myfacewhen.net
Mitt Romney is an asshole
2012-09-18 05:31:13 PM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Still, government data suggest that those who are most likely to pay no income tax are those who have very low incomes and are the youngest and oldest segments of society*. Recent Gallup Daily tracking data show Romney in fact has significant support among these segments: those with the lowest incomes, the young, the old, and the older voters who have low incomes.


*or have children. If you're single person who works full-time, without kids, and rents an apartment, you're part of the "53%."

Here's how ridiculous Romney's statement was:

growlersoftware.com
2012-09-18 05:26:52 PM
1 votes:
is Romney *trying* to lose this election...? or is he really just thist f*cking stupid!?
2012-09-18 05:23:20 PM
1 votes:

Elandriel: My wife put on a CNN video about this last night. My god it was unabashed Romney-fellation. The anchor or newscaster or whatever the hell you call them criticzed Obama, referred to the source as "liberal website Mother Jones" and pointed out how a crapload of Americans totally pay no tax at allexcept for a smattering of payroll and other taxes.

So, it kind of proved the point I have been trying to drive home with her for a few weeks now: any time any kind of tangible, sizeable lead opens up for Obama, the so-called MSM will gladly step up the criticism of him, and fellation of Romney, to make sure that lead disappears.


They need to keep ratings up. It's as simple as that. If it's obvious to everyone who is going to win then people will stop tuning in.
2012-09-18 05:15:52 PM
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DamnYankees: "The thing I find most disappointing in this president is his attack of one America against another America"

This person is insane.


No, he left Mormonism and converted to Roveism.
2012-09-18 04:08:32 PM
1 votes:
www.myfacewhen.net
Republicans often believe Republican things.
2012-09-18 03:53:22 PM
1 votes:

James!: gilgigamesh: James!: On the other hand I think it's the kind of thing that will discourage people who vote republican but never really pay attention to the candidates to become further discouraged and less likely to turn out.

Nah. The people he's talking about -- mainly poor southern whites who vote republican -- think they aren't poor; they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires. And they will turn out to vote for Romney to prove it to themselves.


I don't know.  I think as the hits keep coming in against Romney the base will find better things to do on election day.


Oh I agree they won't turn out. Just not for this reason.

I think the reasons they won't turn out are the Mormon factor, the fact that Romney is not likeable, and most importantly, that "Vote for me because I'm not the other guy" never works to motivate people.
2012-09-18 03:34:09 PM
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On the other hand I think it's the kind of thing that will discourage people who vote republican but never really pay attention to the candidates to become further discouraged and less likely to turn out.
2012-09-18 03:30:32 PM
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James!: I think that if Romney had said these same things in front of the Republican Convention it wouldn't have been half as controversial.  Or at least people would be quicker on the defense.


I'm watching it, now. It is not as damning as some were suggesting. This isn't campaign ending. It is just more wood on the fire in bringing it down.
 
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