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2012-09-18 03:28:19 PM
I think that if Romney had said these same things in front of the Republican Convention it wouldn't have been half as controversial.  Or at least people would be quicker on the defense.
 
2012-09-18 03:30:32 PM

James!: I think that if Romney had said these same things in front of the Republican Convention it wouldn't have been half as controversial.  Or at least people would be quicker on the defense.


I'm watching it, now. It is not as damning as some were suggesting. This isn't campaign ending. It is just more wood on the fire in bringing it down.
 
2012-09-18 03:32:53 PM

Nadie_AZ: James!: I think that if Romney had said these same things in front of the Republican Convention it wouldn't have been half as controversial.  Or at least people would be quicker on the defense.

I'm watching it, now. It is not as damning as some were suggesting. This isn't campaign ending. It is just more wood on the fire in bringing it down.



It's sort of a "He is who we thought he was" moment.
 
2012-09-18 03:34:09 PM
On the other hand I think it's the kind of thing that will discourage people who vote republican but never really pay attention to the candidates to become further discouraged and less likely to turn out.
 
2012-09-18 03:44:09 PM

James!: Nadie_AZ: James!: I think that if Romney had said these same things in front of the Republican Convention it wouldn't have been half as controversial.  Or at least people would be quicker on the defense.

I'm watching it, now. It is not as damning as some were suggesting. This isn't campaign ending. It is just more wood on the fire in bringing it down.


It's sort of a "He is who we thought he was" moment.


cache.deadspin.com
You want to crown him? Then crown his ass! 
 
2012-09-18 03:44:22 PM

James!: On the other hand I think it's the kind of thing that will discourage people who vote republican but never really pay attention to the candidates to become further discouraged and less likely to turn out.


Nah. The people he's talking about -- mainly poor southern whites who vote republican -- think they aren't poor; they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires. And they will turn out to vote for Romney to prove it to themselves.
 
2012-09-18 03:47:36 PM
www.inquisitr.com
Let's have a round of applause for the waitstaff!
Nice to see you schmucks working your tails off in those hopelessly dead-end jobs!
This here 1%-er appreciates the effort. Really!
 
2012-09-18 03:49:29 PM

gilgigamesh: James!: On the other hand I think it's the kind of thing that will discourage people who vote republican but never really pay attention to the candidates to become further discouraged and less likely to turn out.

Nah. The people he's talking about -- mainly poor southern whites who vote republican -- think they aren't poor; they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires. And they will turn out to vote for Romney to prove it to themselves.



I don't know.  I think as the hits keep coming in against Romney the base will find better things to do on election day.
 
2012-09-18 03:53:22 PM

James!: gilgigamesh: James!: On the other hand I think it's the kind of thing that will discourage people who vote republican but never really pay attention to the candidates to become further discouraged and less likely to turn out.

Nah. The people he's talking about -- mainly poor southern whites who vote republican -- think they aren't poor; they're just temporarily embarrassed millionaires. And they will turn out to vote for Romney to prove it to themselves.


I don't know.  I think as the hits keep coming in against Romney the base will find better things to do on election day.


Oh I agree they won't turn out. Just not for this reason.

I think the reasons they won't turn out are the Mormon factor, the fact that Romney is not likeable, and most importantly, that "Vote for me because I'm not the other guy" never works to motivate people.
 
2012-09-18 04:02:38 PM
My wife put on a CNN video about this last night. My god it was unabashed Romney-fellation. The anchor or newscaster or whatever the hell you call them criticzed Obama, referred to the source as "liberal website Mother Jones" and pointed out how a crapload of Americans totally pay no tax at allexcept for a smattering of payroll and other taxes.

So, it kind of proved the point I have been trying to drive home with her for a few weeks now: any time any kind of tangible, sizeable lead opens up for Obama, the so-called MSM will gladly step up the criticism of him, and fellation of Romney, to make sure that lead disappears.
 
2012-09-18 04:06:52 PM

Elandriel: My wife put on a CNN video about this last night. My god it was unabashed Romney-fellation. The anchor or newscaster or whatever the hell you call them criticzed Obama, referred to the source as "liberal website Mother Jones" and pointed out how a crapload of Americans totally pay no tax at allexcept for a smattering of payroll and other taxes.

So, it kind of proved the point I have been trying to drive home with her for a few weeks now: any time any kind of tangible, sizeable lead opens up for Obama, the so-called MSM will gladly step up the criticism of him, and fellation of Romney, to make sure that lead disappears.


And now farkers know why I am not overly optimistic about the election.
 
2012-09-18 04:08:32 PM
www.myfacewhen.net
Republicans often believe Republican things.
 
2012-09-18 04:50:16 PM
At the rate September is going, I'm so looking forward to this year's October Surprise.
 
2012-09-18 04:54:22 PM
You can't just go quoting people with out the full context of not only their statement, but also their life.

It's time for America to drop this crap (sorry), and come together.
 
2012-09-18 04:57:08 PM

gilgigamesh: Oh I agree they won't turn out. Just not for this reason.

I think the reasons they won't turn out are the Mormon factor, the fact that Romney is not likeable, and most importantly, that "Vote for me because I'm not the other guy" never works to motivate people.


even if the president is "near?"
 
2012-09-18 05:12:42 PM
Gallup just released this:

Romney's comments in the recently released video clip from a May fundraiser implied that he has written off as certain Obama voters about half of the population whom he says pay no income tax. Gallup does not track voters who pay no income tax, so it is not possible to isolate these voters precisely. Still, government data suggest that those who are most likely to pay no income tax are those who have very low incomes and are the youngest and oldest segments of society. Recent Gallup Daily tracking data show Romney in fact has significant support among these segments: those with the lowest incomes, the young, the old, and the older voters who have low incomes.
 
2012-09-18 05:13:10 PM
"The thing I find most disappointing in this president is his attack of one America against another America"

This person is insane.
 
2012-09-18 05:15:52 PM

DamnYankees: "The thing I find most disappointing in this president is his attack of one America against another America"

This person is insane.


No, he left Mormonism and converted to Roveism.
 
2012-09-18 05:17:03 PM

DamnYankees: "The thing I find most disappointing in this president is his attack of one America against another America"

This person is insane.


More disconnected than insane. If he shiat himself and rubbed it on the mic while he was talking, that would be insane.
 
2012-09-18 05:21:11 PM
I'll be curious to see if this moves the polls.

Any predictions?
 
2012-09-18 05:21:59 PM
One of the most amusing aspects for me is that the republicas have been attempting to work this hidden camera shiat for almost three years and have very little to show for it.
 
2012-09-18 05:22:19 PM
www.uncle-eazy.com
 
2012-09-18 05:23:20 PM

Elandriel: My wife put on a CNN video about this last night. My god it was unabashed Romney-fellation. The anchor or newscaster or whatever the hell you call them criticzed Obama, referred to the source as "liberal website Mother Jones" and pointed out how a crapload of Americans totally pay no tax at allexcept for a smattering of payroll and other taxes.

So, it kind of proved the point I have been trying to drive home with her for a few weeks now: any time any kind of tangible, sizeable lead opens up for Obama, the so-called MSM will gladly step up the criticism of him, and fellation of Romney, to make sure that lead disappears.


They need to keep ratings up. It's as simple as that. If it's obvious to everyone who is going to win then people will stop tuning in.
 
2012-09-18 05:23:23 PM

James!: One of the most amusing aspects for me is that the republicas have been attempting to work this hidden camera shiat for almost three years and have very little to show for it.


Romney's camp probably thought no stinking hippie Liberal could scrape together $40K for a plate.
 
2012-09-18 05:23:30 PM

brianbankerus: I'll be curious to see if this moves the polls.

Any predictions?


any time you're on the defensive, it can't help. i'm guessing he remains even (as obama's convention bounce peters out) or drops a little more in ohio and michigan.
 
2012-09-18 05:25:56 PM

mrshowrules: James!: One of the most amusing aspects for me is that the republicas have been attempting to work this hidden camera shiat for almost three years and have very little to show for it.

Romney's camp probably thought no stinking hippie Liberal could scrape together $40K for a plate.


I'm pretty sure it's not just Liberals who hate the guy.
 
2012-09-18 05:26:52 PM
is Romney *trying* to lose this election...? or is he really just thist f*cking stupid!?
 
2012-09-18 05:28:24 PM

quickdraw: mrshowrules: James!: One of the most amusing aspects for me is that the republicas have been attempting to work this hidden camera shiat for almost three years and have very little to show for it.

Romney's camp probably thought no stinking hippie Liberal could scrape together $40K for a plate.

I'm pretty sure it's not just Liberals who hate the guy.


Well in this case we know it is Carter's grandson but point taken.
 
2012-09-18 05:29:21 PM
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Prisons / Workhouses 2012
 
2012-09-18 05:31:13 PM

mrshowrules: Still, government data suggest that those who are most likely to pay no income tax are those who have very low incomes and are the youngest and oldest segments of society*. Recent Gallup Daily tracking data show Romney in fact has significant support among these segments: those with the lowest incomes, the young, the old, and the older voters who have low incomes.


*or have children. If you're single person who works full-time, without kids, and rents an apartment, you're part of the "53%."

Here's how ridiculous Romney's statement was:

growlersoftware.com
 
2012-09-18 05:32:30 PM

Weaver95: is Romney *trying* to lose this election...? or is he really just thist f*cking stupid!?


I"m gonna go with "yes", Bob.
 
2012-09-18 05:36:18 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: is Romney *trying* to lose this election...? or is he really just thist f*cking stupid!?

I"m gonna go with "yes", Bob.


I watched a majority of that video and my impression was it had a LOT of 'prosperity gospel' theology in there, along with a vast amount of bad data, false assumptions and sheer asshattery towards anyone NOT in the Romney class of rich folks. As bad as that is...Romney should have known better to actually say that shiat out loud. all it takes is ONE person to record him and upload the vid capture to youtube. Just one. once that's out in the public domain....it's over. he's lost control of his message.
 
2012-09-18 05:38:08 PM

Weaver95: is Romney *trying* to lose this election...? or is he really just thist f*cking stupid!?


No, he was at a $50,000 a plate fundraiser. He was performing like the good marionette that gave the crowd what it wanted to hear.

The fact that it got out is just gravy.

Obama did the same with his "Bitter, Guns and Bible" line. Except in his case, Obama was explaining to the rich liberals why these people felt that way. Obama also didn't dismiss them.

Liberals will see this as an affirmation, Conservatives actually believe this; it's the moderates who will have a problem.
 
2012-09-18 05:38:20 PM

Weaver95: is Romney *trying* to lose this election...? or is he really just thist f*cking stupid!?


Romney's scam is similar to the scam in "The Producers", where he and his cohorts collect millions from wealthy donors like Adelson and the Koch brothers, run a spectacularly terrible campaign and lose the election, then take off to the Cayman Islands with the money.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Its the only explanation that makes sense.
 
2012-09-18 05:40:51 PM

Weaver95: he's lost control of his message.


Romney's never been in control of the General Election. Obama has controlled the narrative at every turn. When Romney tries to wrench it from him, he drops the narrative on his foot and face plants.

As for the video, I had it on, but was bored. Seemed like he was pandering to the panda bears and they were more than happy to laugh at his jokes and wonder why Romney wasn't walking the walk. He kept talking about how tough America's military should be and how he'd do that, and yet he didn't inspire my coffee to turn cold.
 
2012-09-18 05:45:27 PM

FlashHarry: even if the president is "near?"


I'm going to say "yes, even if the president is near." While there are definitely a significant portion of the people that will vote against the black guy, these are the same people that would have voted against any Democrat on "moral" grounds. I don't know of many pro-choice or pro-gay people that are also racist; these sorts of people tend to conglomerate into a big wad of hate.

Those who actually look at and vote on the issues, even the gay rights or abortion issues, would have voted against any Democrat in office, regardless of skin color. I don't think there are many people here in Alabama that say, "Dang it, I think wimmin folk need their wimmin doctors, and good access to the a-bor-shuns, and I ain't got no problem with them there queers, but I sure as sh*t ain't votin' for no n******!"
 
2012-09-18 05:46:03 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: he's lost control of his message.

Romney's never been in control of the General Election. Obama has controlled the narrative at every turn. When Romney tries to wrench it from him, he drops the narrative on his foot and face plants.


I guess I just expected Romney to...y'know...actually know what he's doing. Obama hasn't even hit Romney with the heavy artillery yet, and Romney is flailing around like a rank amateur.
 
2012-09-18 05:47:09 PM

ox45tallboy: FlashHarry: even if the president is "near?"

I'm going to say "yes, even if the president is near." While there are definitely a significant portion of the people that will vote against the black guy, these are the same people that would have voted against any Democrat on "moral" grounds. I don't know of many pro-choice or pro-gay people that are also racist; these sorts of people tend to conglomerate into a big wad of hate.

Those who actually look at and vote on the issues, even the gay rights or abortion issues, would have voted against any Democrat in office, regardless of skin color. I don't think there are many people here in Alabama that say, "Dang it, I think wimmin folk need their wimmin doctors, and good access to the a-bor-shuns, and I ain't got no problem with them there queers, but I sure as sh*t ain't votin' for no n******!"


Mom?
 
2012-09-18 05:47:21 PM

Nadie_AZ: DamnYankees: "The thing I find most disappointing in this president is his attack of one America against another America"

This person is insane.

No, he left Mormonism and converted to Roveism.


latimesblogs.latimes.com
"Karl Rove is only my prophet, dammit!"
 
2012-09-18 05:47:46 PM
www.myfacewhen.net
Mitt Romney is an asshole
 
2012-09-18 05:49:52 PM

brianbankerus: I'll be curious to see if this moves the polls.

Any predictions?


My prediction is that it gives Obama a slight bump in the electoral prediction, and a corresponding downgrade of Romney's electoral prediction. About 6 EC votes.
 
2012-09-18 05:49:58 PM

Weaver95: Obama hasn't even hit Romney with the heavy artillery yet, and Romney is flailing around like a rank amateur.


I'm in Arizona, and don't watch TV, so I haven't seen any ads at all. Do you think those hits will come during the debates or with TV ads? I honestly don't know. And I honestly don't know how the debates will go. I keep hearing Obama will destroy Romney, but Romney has been so vague that he could surprise the universe by having hard numbers and hard ideas that could catch Obama off guard. So I want to believe you, but I guess I'm waiting for the shelling to commence.
 
2012-09-18 05:51:43 PM

ox45tallboy: Nadie_AZ: DamnYankees: "The thing I find most disappointing in this president is his attack of one America against another America"

This person is insane.

No, he left Mormonism and converted to Roveism.

[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 280x373]
"Karl Rove is only my prophet, dammit!"


They don't call it 'Godanity', there Mister. They call it 'Christianity'.
 
2012-09-18 05:51:56 PM
So according to Barack "You didn't build that" Obama, a vote for Romney is joining the self-congratulatory assholes and according to Mitt "dependent on government" Romney, a vote for Obama is joining the money-grubbing losers. It would be helpful if they just put "asshole" and "loser" on the ballot and then gave me my bumper sticker.
 
2012-09-18 05:56:31 PM

ox45tallboy: FlashHarry: even if the president is "near?"

I'm going to say "yes, even if the president is near." While there are definitely a significant portion of the people that will vote against the black guy, these are the same people that would have voted against any Democrat on "moral" grounds. I don't know of many pro-choice or pro-gay people that are also racist; these sorts of people tend to conglomerate into a big wad of hate.

Those who actually look at and vote on the issues, even the gay rights or abortion issues, would have voted against any Democrat in office, regardless of skin color. I don't think there are many people here in Alabama that say, "Dang it, I think wimmin folk need their wimmin doctors, and good access to the a-bor-shuns, and I ain't got no problem with them there queers, but I sure as sh*t ain't votin' for no n******!"


Keep in mind, the South views things a bit different. Their black people are cool, they just are stirred up by outsider from New York, Chicago, LA. Their illegal immigrants are hard workers who help get their crops in, not like those welfare illegal immigrants in California. Their queers are quite different than those San Francisco pansies. In fact many have relatives that are homo, but not like them flamboyant ones.

And of course, their dependence on welfare and having Abortions isn't a bad thing, just they were in special dire circumstances when they did it.

But the main thing is this: We need to LOOK moral and PREACH morality so that society can become better.
 
2012-09-18 05:56:47 PM

brianbankerus: I'll be curious to see if this moves the polls.

Any predictions?


This is starting to remind me of McCain's campaign, particularly the fact that staffers for Romney are sniping at each other in the press.

Romney is constantly on defense for unforced errors, there is blood in the water, and everybody knows it.
 
2012-09-18 05:57:49 PM
this is the part that just floors me:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax.

feeding people is apparently an 'entitlement' now. that's mind boggling. look, even if you want to believe that you've got a moral right to starve people to death in order to save yourself a few bucks come tax day, you still have to admit that letting people die of starvation is REALLY BAD for maintaining social order. people tend to fight against a slow death while watching some rich fat white guy roll by stuffing his face with a double bacon cheeseburger and a nice chianti.
 
2012-09-18 05:59:45 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: Obama hasn't even hit Romney with the heavy artillery yet, and Romney is flailing around like a rank amateur.

I'm in Arizona, and don't watch TV, so I haven't seen any ads at all. Do you think those hits will come during the debates or with TV ads? I honestly don't know. And I honestly don't know how the debates will go. I keep hearing Obama will destroy Romney, but Romney has been so vague that he could surprise the universe by having hard numbers and hard ideas that could catch Obama off guard. So I want to believe you, but I guess I'm waiting for the shelling to commence.


I'm surprised at the number of Obama ads I'm seeing here in reddest-of-the-red Alabama. This is the latest poll I could find, from August, which shows Romney up by 18 points, 54 to 36. Five thirty-eight gives Romney a 100% chance to win Alabama. Seriously, what's the point of spending the money here, instead of putting it into battleground states like Ohio or Florida?
 
2012-09-18 06:01:34 PM

impaler: mrshowrules: Still, government data suggest that those who are most likely to pay no income tax are those who have very low incomes and are the youngest and oldest segments of society*. Recent Gallup Daily tracking data show Romney in fact has significant support among these segments: those with the lowest incomes, the young, the old, and the older voters who have low incomes.

*or have children. If you're single person who works full-time, without kids, and rents an apartment, you're part of the "53%."

Here's how ridiculous Romney's statement was:

[growlersoftware.com image 800x568]


Not to mention the tax credit for being married, tax credits for paying off student loans, charity donations, unreimbursed medical expenses - all of which are common for middle income families.
 
2012-09-18 06:01:53 PM

Nadie_AZ: They don't call it 'Godanity', there Mister. They call it 'Christianity'.


talkingpointsmemo.com
"They call it whatever the hell I tell them to call it, or they lose their seat in the next primary!"
 
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