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(American Thinker)   "They hate us for our freedom" goes through marketing, reemerges as "They hate us for simply being who are and nothing else"   (americanthinker.com) divider line 15
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2012-09-18 01:52:09 PM
4 votes:
They hate us because we're liars who have broken our promises to them time and time again. We come in and install dictators and care nothing about the atrocities they commit against them so long as the oil flows. Bin Laden was out ally until we dropped his ass when the Russians pulled out of Afghanistan.

To say they hate us without cause or merit is just stupid.

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2012-09-18 12:50:31 PM
4 votes:
America and Britain carved up the former Ottoman Empire because they wanted all the oil. So they put in corrupt dictators and armed radicals. Now after generations the people want nothing to do with the western powers, but said powers continue to butt in and dictate policy. They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.
2012-09-19 03:55:27 AM
2 votes:

pdee: Isitoveryet: pdee: Its their money. Its theirs to spend how they choose. Unless you think we should go over there in force to change their government to suite you. And its still not our fault that the money stays at the top. If I buy an product its not my fault the CEO makes 500 times more money than the guy sweeping the floor.

Translation:Our money does not make them poor.

you are right, it's not our fault! we just give them our money then it's their to do with what they please, we are just innocent little angels here, we can't make the money we spend be used appropriately as a matter of fact, we are forced to deal with the bad guys, we didn't have any control over anything once we let go that money!


& by the way you're a lousy capitalist if you think your money has no influence.

I stand by this comment

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They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.

So if we did not give them money they would all be rich? If not for our dirty money they would all be peaceful secular progressives? Without oil money they would have long ago switched to democracies and treated their women as equals?

Giving some people money does not make other people poor! Giving 1 person money does not put another person in poverty.

Are you so dense you can not understand that?


The money we give dictators for foreign aid goes three places, in this order:
1. To the dictator's immediate cronies to ensure their continued support
2. To the military, to ensure they don't raise a coup against the dictator
3. To the dictator's overseas bank accounts.

Any money left over--and you can see there is none--goes to helping the populace. In exchange for our foreign aid, the dictator agrees to whatever policies the aid provider requires--and it's almost never humanitarian purposes. We supported Samuel Doe because he agreed to let us use Liberia as a staging port against the Soviets and so he'd license our leaky oil tankers out of his country to avoid US regulation. We supported Mobutu Sese Seko because he agreed to fight the Angolan communists in the jungles of Zaire and save us the trouble. We supported Saddam Hussein when he agreed to fight Iran in the 80's, and agreed to support the Shah in Iran in the 60's because Mossadegh was too "populist" for the CIA's palate at the time. We installed Pinochet in Chile after making sure the "populist" democratically elected Allende was assassinated. Saddam, the Shah and Pinochet all got airdrops of cash from Uncle Sam for their agreeable stance.

It goes on and on. Sending foreign aid to dictators and totalitarian countries only ensures that they stay in power, spend next to nothing on their people, and can flee the inevitable rebellion or coup with fat Cayman Islands accounts. Now and then, you get a more benign dictator, like Trujillo in Santo Domingo, who uses some of his own cut after he pays off the army and his buddies, to do a few nice things for the people; but they never last. Someone like Sgt. Doe always climbs the back wall and kills them.

So yeah, I'm sorry, giving money to one person can make a hell of a lot of people poor, and also hate the nation that gives their dictator all his cash.
2012-09-18 01:21:35 PM
2 votes:
They hate us because

1) their leaders use us as symbols and targets to distract and redirect their people's attention from other causes of their dissatisfaction

2) there is a long history of us meddling in their politics, installing and supporting vicious dictators

3) we are looting their countries of their natural resources

4) they are poor and we are obnoxiously and conspicuously wealthy

5) we are not Muslims and Westerners have a long history of waging war against Muslims

6) we support Israel, its existence, its displacement of the Palestinians, and Israel's bad neighbor policies

7) they have been trained and indoctrinated to hate us all of their lives (see #1)

8) they are aware that we dislike, disrespect, even hate them in return, or at best tolerate their existence

9) you get the picture.
2012-09-18 12:48:31 PM
2 votes:

Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?


It's not just bombs. It's called imperialism. When Iran started having "democratic elections", we had to set them straight and install the Shah. We support brutal dictators so we can keep the tap turned on from those oil fields. We do this all at the expense of the people.
2012-09-19 04:08:58 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: We supported Samuel Doe because he agreed to let us use Liberia as a staging port against the Soviets and so he'd license our leaky oil tankers out of his country to avoid US regulation. We supported Mobutu Sese Seko because he agreed to fight the Angolan communists in the jungles of Zaire and save us the trouble. We supported Saddam Hussein when he agreed to fight Iran in the 80's, and agreed to support the Shah in Iran in the 60's because Mossadegh was too "populist" for the CIA's palate at the time. We installed Pinochet in Chile after making sure the "populist" democratically elected Allende was assassinated. Saddam, the Shah and Pinochet all got airdrops of cash from Uncle Sam for their agreeable stance.



Another student of history. Good write up
2012-09-18 11:50:00 PM
1 votes:

beta_plus: The difference between Romney's supporters and Obama's 47% is that Romney's supporters just want to be left alone.



In between telling everyone else who you can pray to, what you can drink, what you can smoke, who you can marry and have sex with, who can vote, etc etc etc


beta_plus: They actually don't have a problem handing over their money to buy peace, but 45 years of doing so has not brought it and it has become obvious that it never will.


Isn't it strange when your people get into power they are directly responsible for 45 years of war?

But trust you this time, just like Bush was going to be the great compassionate conservative

beta_plus: Not only does Obama's 47% want every last dime of Romney's supporters



39% is every last dime?

More like you want every last dime from the poor

beta_plus: they want to kill them as well.



Like when Republicans talk about REAL AMERICA, REAL AMERICANS, TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK, 2nd AMENDMENT SOLUTION

Projection again

beta_plus: But Romney's supporters are clearly all elitist racists and deserve what's coming to them.



No you are all just greedy misguided uneducated hypocrites so bound up in the rat race you will trample over anyone and everyone to live in a nice house while the world crumbles around you

beta_plus: That's the crucial difference between America and Sweden. When a rich Swede signs his tax bill, he doesn't worry if he's paying to raise the kids that will murder his children.


straight to a strawman, welfare recipients will murder your kids!

hint- it's Republican policies that lead people to be stuck in the poverty trap, that's when someone "murders your children"

And hey they could join the military, then murdering someone ELSES kids is damn PATRIOTIC. HUUURAAHH
2012-09-18 02:06:36 PM
1 votes:
They hate us for keeping up with the Kardashians.
2012-09-18 02:00:15 PM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: They hate us for our long, girthy, veiny penises.


I think recess is over young man. Shouldn't you be in class?
2012-09-18 01:48:23 PM
1 votes:

Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?


Remember the hundred years war? Where the Angivens and the Plentagenets set forth on a course of war between two landed dynasties which raged across two sovereign nations for a net total of over 80 years, primarily as a result of an attempt by the English crown to press titles in France and France's reaction of attempting to usurp the English wool market?

Seem kind of ... weird to you? Like "that doesn't sound like the way the world works today." weird? It wasn't even king v king. It was like... proxy wars between local duchies fought as skirmishes. It was like some kind of royal slapfight that dragged thousands of people to their graves over sleights those newly dead couldn't even comprehend.

The point is, not every place in every time views foreign policy through the same lens. Some people see themselves first by something other than their nationality. It's important to remember these kind of dynamics when you rattle sabers and generically shiat on a region. "Who are these people and how are they organized?" is usually a good question to ask before you drop a bomb on them.
2012-09-18 01:45:44 PM
1 votes:
Didn't RTFA or RTFC, but in case it hasn't been said before:

There are people in the Muslim world who will always hate us for not following their religious and cultural guidelines and tempting their fellow Muslims to behave in a similar manner. There are people in the Muslim world who genuinely do believe that democracy and personal autonomy should replace traditional customs and see America's system (maybe not culture, but its framework) as a model to base their own on someday. These two groups are infinitesimal compared to the Muslim population that doesn't really have any more personal investment in America than the average American has in Canada. Our behavior and how effective the people in those two groups are at spinning news of our behavior is what determines how the general populace of these countries view us.

There are all sorts of wrinkles to this (like the leadership of these countries and how effective their media control is) but we are able to affect how many people in the region are pissed at us to some degree.
2012-09-18 01:27:01 PM
1 votes:

beta_plus: The difference between Romney's supporters and Obama's 47% is that Romney's supporters just want to be left alone. They actually don't have a problem handing over their money to buy peace, but 45 years of doing so has not brought it and it has become obvious that it never will. Not only does Obama's 47% want every last dime of Romney's supporters, they want to kill them as well. But Romney's supporters are clearly all elitist racists and deserve what's coming to them.

That's the crucial difference between America and Sweden. When a rich Swede signs his tax bill, he doesn't worry if he's paying to raise the kids that will murder his children.


I think you're in the wrong thread. Also you might want to get that prolapsed rectum checked out, it's probably causing all that butthurt.
2012-09-18 12:56:45 PM
1 votes:

Lost Thought 00: FarkedOver: Frankly, I'm surprised central and southern american countries don't hate us with more passion. The U.S. has been farking with them for as long as we've been a nation.

Everything comes down to money. Most of them make their living selling us stuff (food, mainly). Those that don't depend on the US for money (aka, Venezuala due to their oil) can afford to be more flexible with their foreign policy


I understand that, but when you have top US officials saying things like:

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

How much more anti-american can we be? We've been selling out our beliefs forever. This country isn't in the business of spreading democracy or freedom and it never has been.

/Kissinger said that
2012-09-18 12:50:48 PM
1 votes:
Frankly, I'm surprised central and southern american countries don't hate us with more passion. The U.S. has been farking with them for as long as we've been a nation.
2012-09-18 12:41:06 PM
1 votes:
We hate you because you are stupid racist idiots.
 
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