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(American Thinker)   "They hate us for our freedom" goes through marketing, reemerges as "They hate us for simply being who are and nothing else"   (americanthinker.com) divider line 100
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2012-09-18 12:33:51 PM  
Saying "they hate us for our freedoms" is actually one of the few things Bush every got right IMHO. Of course, rolling back the freedoms gave the Islamic extremists an easy victory.
 
2012-09-18 12:37:57 PM  
No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.
 
2012-09-18 12:39:47 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.


When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?
 
2012-09-18 12:41:06 PM  
We hate you because you are stupid racist idiots.
 
2012-09-18 12:41:07 PM  
Maybe we should tell the Middle East to f*ck off and stop meddling in their affairs.
 
2012-09-18 12:41:46 PM  

bdub77: We hate you because you are stupid racist idiots.


I can't emphasize their stupidity enough, apparently. :)
 
2012-09-18 12:42:36 PM  

Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?


What resources do those countries have and are the native people able to extract and refine them on their own?
 
2012-09-18 12:43:11 PM  

Aarontology: Maybe we should tell the Middle East to f*ck off and stop meddling in their affairs.


Yes.
 
2012-09-18 12:47:20 PM  

Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?


When Muslim countries aren't fighting each other, they stand up for each other's hatred of America.

See also: Africans in one country proud of another African country (that they fight) for doing well in the Olympics.
 
2012-09-18 12:48:11 PM  
They hate us for our DERP
 
2012-09-18 12:48:31 PM  

Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?


It's not just bombs. It's called imperialism. When Iran started having "democratic elections", we had to set them straight and install the Shah. We support brutal dictators so we can keep the tap turned on from those oil fields. We do this all at the expense of the people.
 
2012-09-18 12:49:12 PM  

bdub77: We hate you because you are stupid racist idiots.


Yes, because they obviously have racist views of America, the most racially homogenous nation.... EVAR!
 
2012-09-18 12:50:05 PM  
"They hate us for simply being who are and nothing else"

Being who are what?
 
2012-09-18 12:50:06 PM  
I wonder if it'll come out later as "They will like us when we WIN!"

/TWW quote for every political discussion
//and every political discussion is a west wing quote
 
2012-09-18 12:50:31 PM  
America and Britain carved up the former Ottoman Empire because they wanted all the oil. So they put in corrupt dictators and armed radicals. Now after generations the people want nothing to do with the western powers, but said powers continue to butt in and dictate policy. They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.
 
2012-09-18 12:50:43 PM  

Arkanaut: "They hate us for simply being who are and nothing else"

Being who are what?


I think there's a first person plural pronoun AWOL.
 
2012-09-18 12:50:48 PM  
Frankly, I'm surprised central and southern american countries don't hate us with more passion. The U.S. has been farking with them for as long as we've been a nation.
 
2012-09-18 12:50:52 PM  
Over half a centuries worth of military intervention in the region creating a large distrust among the population may have had something to do with it. Of course, low education rates mixed with leaders who are willing to exploit and flame those fears has a lot to do with it as well. But to say we have done absolutely nothing to deserve it is absurd

/now proceed to accuse me of apologizing to terrorists
 
2012-09-18 12:52:38 PM  

FarkedOver: Frankly, I'm surprised central and southern american countries don't hate us with more passion. The U.S. has been farking with them for as long as we've been a nation.


Everything comes down to money. Most of them make their living selling us stuff (food, mainly). Those that don't depend on the US for money (aka, Venezuala due to their oil) can afford to be more flexible with their foreign policy
 
2012-09-18 12:55:32 PM  

Arkanaut: "They hate us for simply being who are and nothing else"

Being who are what?


Great, now they're going to hate us for our grammar.
 
2012-09-18 12:56:45 PM  

Lost Thought 00: FarkedOver: Frankly, I'm surprised central and southern american countries don't hate us with more passion. The U.S. has been farking with them for as long as we've been a nation.

Everything comes down to money. Most of them make their living selling us stuff (food, mainly). Those that don't depend on the US for money (aka, Venezuala due to their oil) can afford to be more flexible with their foreign policy


I understand that, but when you have top US officials saying things like:

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

How much more anti-american can we be? We've been selling out our beliefs forever. This country isn't in the business of spreading democracy or freedom and it never has been.

/Kissinger said that
 
2012-09-18 12:57:16 PM  
subby accidentally a whole word i think
 
2012-09-18 12:58:21 PM  
They hate us because they don't understand us seems more accurate to me.

Like this stupid movie. I don't think the average Muslim has any idea that most of the people here not only never heard of this movie until all this shiat happened, but that we never even WOULD have, nor would we have cared or been interested in that piece of garbage. Or that it is really easy for any idiot to make a "movie" but that doesn't mean it is show in theatres or given any attention by 99.9% of the country. And it certainly doesn't speak for us, or our government.

Never mind trying to get into the complexities of states and how they work in this country -- that you can drive across even a single state and feel like you're in a different country, never mind going a few states north or south or east or west. My ex laughed his ass off at the "culture shock" of taking my NY-born, living in NY or CT my whole life, to North Carolina for the first time. I'd never really been outside major Northeast cities like Boston, Philadelphia, DC, and only as far south as Richmond, VA. It was like a whole other word.

I think that is the biggest problem. Snippets and samples don't explain this country. Volumes of books would barely explain this country. And unfortunately, many times, the biggest idiots get the most attention, making it look as if they speak for this country when they very much so do NOT.
 
2012-09-18 01:00:57 PM  
They don't really hate us at all, they hate the image of us they have created. I've seen several Muslims comment on articles about the protests, and a common statement is some variation of "if America can punish people for insulting other religions, especially Judaism, these people should be punished for insulting Islam." Never mind that this statement is basically delusional, never mind the fact that we have neo-Nazis in this country who openly call for another Holocaust against the Jews and nothing is done to them as long as it remains just talk. They hate an imaginary America, very much like the teahadists hate an imaginary (invisible, seated) Obama who wants to put all conservatives in FEMA camps and institute Sharia law. There's a whole lot of stupid out there these days.
 
2012-09-18 01:02:12 PM  
People hate us for our freedoms the same way they hate us for being loud and crass in foreign countries.
 
2012-09-18 01:04:25 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Aarontology: Maybe we should tell the Middle East to f*ck off and stop meddling in their affairs.

Yes.


As long as our economy runs on oil that will never be a possibility. If we ever move beyond petroleum it will happen automatically, and the Middle East will become the new Africa.
 
2012-09-18 01:04:39 PM  
www.troycitydesign.com
 
2012-09-18 01:06:10 PM  

malaktaus: will become the new Africa.


Remind us again why Africa is the way that it is.
 
2012-09-18 01:07:02 PM  
Meh, they don't hate us for our freedoms. They hate us because they are jealous and embarrassed. Muslims are supposedly god's chosen people, but hey they mostly live in 3rd world shiat holes and are farking poor compared to Americans.
 
2012-09-18 01:08:25 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: but hey they mostly live in 3rd world shiat holes and are farking poor compared to because of Americans.


There. I fixed that for you!
 
2012-09-18 01:09:23 PM  
They hate us for our collateral damage.
 
2012-09-18 01:13:01 PM  
I don't feel hated, why don't your re-write your little blog & tell me why you think they hate you.

American Stinker on behalf of America: "we did nothing to you!"

/rolls eyes.
 
2012-09-18 01:13:17 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: malaktaus: will become the new Africa.

Remind us again why Africa is the way that it is.


Colonialism, tribalism, a difficult natural environment, probably lots of other reasons, some of them the fault of Africans and some of them caused by greedy foreigners. Now a million people can be slaughtered in the Sudan and people in the west basically don't give a shiat, and if they didn't have oil that's exactly how things would be in the Middle East.
 
2012-09-18 01:20:41 PM  

intelligent comment below: America and Britain carved up the former Ottoman Empire because they wanted all the oil. So they put in corrupt dictators and armed radicals. Now after generations the people want nothing to do with the western powers, but said powers continue to butt in and dictate policy. They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.


As someone who grew up in the Middle East the daughter of a US diplomat (who was an Arabist), in several countries carved up from the former Ottoman Empire, I think that we should really stop invoking all of that stuff. There's really got to be a point in time at which we can draw the line and say "let's just deal with events and politics from this historical point onward". It would eliminate a lot of worthless blather and name-calling and finger-pointing, not to mention the fact that the median age in most of those countries is extremely young, and most of those young men who are rioting don't even have grandparents who are old enough to remember much before the 1960s. Much of what they're taught about interference is inflammatory propaganda by parties that have their own nefarious agendas. Not all "indigenous" political beliefs are benign.

The Middle East has had more than enough home-grown nationalistic heroes in every country since they were oppressed by the Ottomans and the colonial powers, like Gamal Abdul Nasser and Ahmen Ben Bella, to name just a few. And there have been a lot of sympathetic Westerners since Napoleon rode into Egypt at the beginning of the 19th century and ordered his soldiers to treat the Egyptians and their religion with respect, certainly with more respect than they had been treated by their Ottoman overlords.

There's really no way to not butt in and interfere, unless you're dealing with a completely closed society like Shogun Japan. Any form of diplomacy is, by its very nature, interference.
 
2012-09-18 01:21:35 PM  
They hate us because

1) their leaders use us as symbols and targets to distract and redirect their people's attention from other causes of their dissatisfaction

2) there is a long history of us meddling in their politics, installing and supporting vicious dictators

3) we are looting their countries of their natural resources

4) they are poor and we are obnoxiously and conspicuously wealthy

5) we are not Muslims and Westerners have a long history of waging war against Muslims

6) we support Israel, its existence, its displacement of the Palestinians, and Israel's bad neighbor policies

7) they have been trained and indoctrinated to hate us all of their lives (see #1)

8) they are aware that we dislike, disrespect, even hate them in return, or at best tolerate their existence

9) you get the picture.
 
2012-09-18 01:22:36 PM  

FarkedOver: Frankly, I'm surprised central and southern american countries don't hate us with more passion. The U.S. has been farking with them for as long as we've been a nation.


Seems like those nations were in the news all the time, in the 1980s. Lately? Hardly a peep. Of course, we don't have a president sending weapons down there illegally anymore.
 
2012-09-18 01:22:42 PM  
They hate us for our tacos.

blog.wfmu.org
 
2012-09-18 01:22:48 PM  
The difference between Romney's supporters and Obama's 47% is that Romney's supporters just want to be left alone. They actually don't have a problem handing over their money to buy peace, but 45 years of doing so has not brought it and it has become obvious that it never will. Not only does Obama's 47% want every last dime of Romney's supporters, they want to kill them as well. But Romney's supporters are clearly all elitist racists and deserve what's coming to them.

That's the crucial difference between America and Sweden. When a rich Swede signs his tax bill, he doesn't worry if he's paying to raise the kids that will murder his children.
 
2012-09-18 01:25:30 PM  

red5ish: They hate us because

1) their leaders use us as symbols and targets to distract and redirect their people's attention from other causes of their dissatisfaction

2) there is a long history of us meddling in their politics, installing and supporting vicious dictators

3) we are looting their countries of their natural resources

4) they are poor and we are obnoxiously and conspicuously wealthy

5) we are not Muslims and Westerners have a long history of waging war against Muslims

6) we support Israel, its existence, its displacement of the Palestinians, and Israel's bad neighbor policies

7) they have been trained and indoctrinated to hate us all of their lives (see #1)

8) they are aware that we dislike, disrespect, even hate them in return, or at best tolerate their existence

9) you get the picture.


10) We made The Jewel of the Nile depicting Muslims / Danny Devito as buffoons.
 
2012-09-18 01:25:47 PM  

Alphax: Seems like those nations were in the news all the time, in the 1980s. Lately? Hardly a peep. Of course, we don't have a president sending weapons down there illegally anymore.


I wouldn't be surprised if we still support right wing militias in Colombia and use them in "the war on drugs" and if they kill a couple of FARC rebels in the process, even better!
 
2012-09-18 01:26:55 PM  
For fark's sakes, just replace every body else on Morning Joe with Niall Ferguson, dress them both in British military garb from back in the day, and make the show a 3+ hour extravaganza of them pissing and moaning about how those savages in the desert can't act in proper society and would be better colonized by clean, white Christians who know how the world works.
 
2012-09-18 01:27:01 PM  

beta_plus: The difference between Romney's supporters and Obama's 47% is that Romney's supporters just want to be left alone. They actually don't have a problem handing over their money to buy peace, but 45 years of doing so has not brought it and it has become obvious that it never will. Not only does Obama's 47% want every last dime of Romney's supporters, they want to kill them as well. But Romney's supporters are clearly all elitist racists and deserve what's coming to them.

That's the crucial difference between America and Sweden. When a rich Swede signs his tax bill, he doesn't worry if he's paying to raise the kids that will murder his children.


I think you're in the wrong thread. Also you might want to get that prolapsed rectum checked out, it's probably causing all that butthurt.
 
2012-09-18 01:28:47 PM  
I'll quote David Cross on this: "If the terrorists really hated us for our freedom, the Netherlands would be farking dust by now."

No, they probably hate us more for propping up sleazy, repressive governments to keep oil flowing to us, for our refusal to aim even the mildest criticism at Israel as we give them billions in aid, and many other factors. Our "freedom" is way down the list.
 
2012-09-18 01:28:57 PM  

coeyagi: 10) We made The Jewel of the Nile depicting Muslims / Danny Devito as buffoons.


That pretty much falls under the disrespect category. You would think they would give us a pass considering how we've put out all those great "mummy" movies where the mummy is a real bad-ass, but nooooo.
 
2012-09-18 01:36:31 PM  

intelligent comment below: America and Britain carved up the former Ottoman Empire because they wanted all the oil. So they put in corrupt dictators and armed radicals. Now after generations the people want nothing to do with the western powers, but said powers continue to butt in and dictate policy. They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.


The fact that cultural progress in the middle east practically ceased in the 8th century should be considered as well. Ain't religion great?
 
2012-09-18 01:39:00 PM  
This is the same spiel Scarborough tried the other day?

"They hate us because they hate us"?

Not for actual discernible and understandable reasons that we can possibly work with but "just because"?

Not for supporting the Shah's reign of terror and torture for decades, not for the torture scandals in Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, not forthe drone attacks, America's unconditional support of Israel but just because.

Q: How do you argue with logic like that?

A: You don't. Because it isn't.
 
2012-09-18 01:45:44 PM  
Didn't RTFA or RTFC, but in case it hasn't been said before:

There are people in the Muslim world who will always hate us for not following their religious and cultural guidelines and tempting their fellow Muslims to behave in a similar manner. There are people in the Muslim world who genuinely do believe that democracy and personal autonomy should replace traditional customs and see America's system (maybe not culture, but its framework) as a model to base their own on someday. These two groups are infinitesimal compared to the Muslim population that doesn't really have any more personal investment in America than the average American has in Canada. Our behavior and how effective the people in those two groups are at spinning news of our behavior is what determines how the general populace of these countries view us.

There are all sorts of wrinkles to this (like the leadership of these countries and how effective their media control is) but we are able to affect how many people in the region are pissed at us to some degree.
 
2012-09-18 01:46:38 PM  
They hate us for being educated, female, a minority, and/or poor.
 
2012-09-18 01:48:23 PM  

Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?


Remember the hundred years war? Where the Angivens and the Plentagenets set forth on a course of war between two landed dynasties which raged across two sovereign nations for a net total of over 80 years, primarily as a result of an attempt by the English crown to press titles in France and France's reaction of attempting to usurp the English wool market?

Seem kind of ... weird to you? Like "that doesn't sound like the way the world works today." weird? It wasn't even king v king. It was like... proxy wars between local duchies fought as skirmishes. It was like some kind of royal slapfight that dragged thousands of people to their graves over sleights those newly dead couldn't even comprehend.

The point is, not every place in every time views foreign policy through the same lens. Some people see themselves first by something other than their nationality. It's important to remember these kind of dynamics when you rattle sabers and generically shiat on a region. "Who are these people and how are they organized?" is usually a good question to ask before you drop a bomb on them.
 
2012-09-18 01:50:46 PM  

Citrate1007: They hate us for being educated, female, a minority, and/or poor.


Republicans, right?
 
2012-09-18 01:52:09 PM  
They hate us because we're liars who have broken our promises to them time and time again. We come in and install dictators and care nothing about the atrocities they commit against them so long as the oil flows. Bin Laden was out ally until we dropped his ass when the Russians pulled out of Afghanistan.

To say they hate us without cause or merit is just stupid.

i54.tinypic.com

www.gwu.edu
 
2012-09-18 01:56:26 PM  
They hate us for our long, girthy, veiny penises.
 
2012-09-18 02:00:15 PM  

Jackson Herring: They hate us for our long, girthy, veiny penises.


I think recess is over young man. Shouldn't you be in class?
 
2012-09-18 02:03:19 PM  
They hate us for our freedom to murder interns and get away with it.
 
2012-09-18 02:05:44 PM  
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nmemkha: Jackson Herring: They hate us for our long, girthy, veiny penises.

I think recess is over young man. Shouldn't you be in class?


Hahaha who the fark even are you
 
2012-09-18 02:06:02 PM  

Jackson Herring: They hate us for our long, girthy, veiny penises.


Wasn't that just the Japanese?
 
2012-09-18 02:06:36 PM  
They hate us for keeping up with the Kardashians.
 
2012-09-18 02:08:37 PM  

Jackson Herring: =nmemkha: Jackson Herring: They hate us for our long, girthy, veiny penises.

I think recess is over young man. Shouldn't you be in class?

Hahaha who the fark even are you


Probably your father.
 
2012-09-18 02:08:50 PM  

FarkedOver: beta_plus: The difference between Romney's supporters and Obama's 47% is that Romney's supporters just want to be left alone. They actually don't have a problem handing over their money to buy peace, but 45 years of doing so has not brought it and it has become obvious that it never will. Not only does Obama's 47% want every last dime of Romney's supporters, they want to kill them as well. But Romney's supporters are clearly all elitist racists and deserve what's coming to them.

That's the crucial difference between America and Sweden. When a rich Swede signs his tax bill, he doesn't worry if he's paying to raise the kids that will murder his children.

I think you're in the wrong thread. Also you might want to get that prolapsed rectum checked out, it's probably causing all that butthurt.


Oh, that is awesome. I have the retard on ignore, but quotes still show up. Don't want to miss all the lulz.
 
2012-09-18 02:18:44 PM  

intelligent comment below: America and Britain carved up the former Ottoman Empire because they wanted all the oil. So they put in corrupt dictators and armed radicals. Now after generations the people want nothing to do with the western powers, but said powers continue to butt in and dictate policy. They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.


Taking our money causes their poverty.

Liberal Logic.
 
2012-09-18 02:19:17 PM  
We are, of course, hated by Americans like Obama, who was nursed on malice towards his homeland and who grew up in the shadowy alternative universe in which anti-Americanism is dogma.

Stopped reading right there.
 
2012-09-18 02:20:12 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Happy Anthrax Day everbody!
 
2012-09-18 02:25:41 PM  

pdee: continue to butt in and dictate policy. They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.

Taking our money causes their poverty.

Liberal Logic.



what did you think they get money for oil and split it between everyone? like some sort of socialism?

Conservative logic: all the proceeds from oil go to the people, education & healthcare.
 
2012-09-18 02:30:48 PM  

FarkedOver: Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?

It's not just bombs. It's called imperialism. When Iran started having "democratic elections", we had to set them straight and install the Shah. We support brutal dictators so we can keep the tap turned on from those oil fields. We do this all at the expense of the people.


Which is why it's good that we're letting the Muslim Brotherhood rule in Egypt. Despite the cries from the right that we should have left Mubarak in place we have to let them control their own destinies. The Middle East has been changing hands between empires for thousands of years and it's time we left them alone. They have plenty of reason to be pissed off, and it has nothing to do with our freedom, and really not very much to do with a poorly produced film about Muhammed.
 
2012-09-18 02:31:35 PM  

pdee: intelligent comment below: America and Britain carved up the former Ottoman Empire because they wanted all the oil. So they put in corrupt dictators and armed radicals. Now after generations the people want nothing to do with the western powers, but said powers continue to butt in and dictate policy. They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.

Taking our money causes their poverty.

Liberal Logic.


After all, it's not like only a few wealthy elites get that oil money. ALL of the citizens get a huge cut!
 
2012-09-18 02:34:52 PM  

mrshowrules: Saying "they hate us for our freedoms" is actually one of the few things Bush every got right IMHO. Of course, rolling back the freedoms gave the Islamic extremists an easy victory.



Are you aware, for example, that the CIA helped put Saddam Hussein in power? This is fact, aknowledged by those involved, not some conspiracy theory. And of course he is just one of many. The willful ignorance required for someone to believe that the United States is a "Global Force for Good", as the Navy commercial puts it, is why there is no hope for our civilization. The country with the biggest guns is the most dangerous country in the world, no matter how much you delude yourselves.
 
2012-09-18 02:35:46 PM  

Isitoveryet: pdee: continue to butt in and dictate policy. They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.

Taking our money causes their poverty.

Liberal Logic.


what did you think they get money for oil and split it between everyone? like some sort of socialism?

Conservative logic: all the proceeds from oil go to the people, education & healthcare.


Its their money. Its theirs to spend how they choose. Unless you think we should go over there in force to change their government to suite you. And its still not our fault that the money stays at the top. If I buy an product its not my fault the CEO makes 500 times more money than the guy sweeping the floor.

Translation:Our money does not make them poor.
 
2012-09-18 02:43:26 PM  

Alphax: Citrate1007: They hate us for being educated, female, a minority, and/or poor.

Republicans, right?


Any bigoted group will do.....Republicans, Taliban, Southern Evangelicals...
 
2012-09-18 02:45:32 PM  
They kill us because we insulted their invisible sky wizard with a prophet with a 9-year-old wife.

We kill them because if we kill enough of them, gas might go beneath a dollar a gallon.
 
2012-09-18 02:52:35 PM  

dehehn: FarkedOver: Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?

It's not just bombs. It's called imperialism. When Iran started having "democratic elections", we had to set them straight and install the Shah. We support brutal dictators so we can keep the tap turned on from those oil fields. We do this all at the expense of the people.

Which is why it's good that we're letting the Muslim Brotherhood rule in Egypt. Despite the cries from the right that we should have left Mubarak in place we have to let them control their own destinies. The Middle East has been changing hands between empires for thousands of years and it's time we left them alone. They have plenty of reason to be pissed off, and it has nothing to do with our freedom, and really not very much to do with a poorly produced film about Muhammed.


Yeah, I am sure that Americas new policy of nonintervention will gradually build a sense of go...

Oh, wait the hands off approach in Egypt was purely a practical matter and when a softer target presented itself the US cruise missile'd the shiat out of it so a pack of genocidal tribal warbands could seize power?

Nevermind then.
 
2012-09-18 02:57:07 PM  
Well, that makes an equal amount of sense as "they hate us for our freedom"

Seriously, wtf does that mean? Bin Laden's followers want to bring death to Americans because we like to say that we value civil liberties (including freedom of religion)? Yeah... I'm sure that's what they're so pissed off about.
 
2012-09-18 02:59:03 PM  

pdee: Its their money. Its theirs to spend how they choose. Unless you think we should go over there in force to change their government to suite you. And its still not our fault that the money stays at the top. If I buy an product its not my fault the CEO makes 500 times more money than the guy sweeping the floor.

Translation:Our money does not make them poor.


you are right, it's not our fault! we just give them our money then it's their to do with what they please, we are just innocent little angels here, we can't make the money we spend be used appropriately as a matter of fact, we are forced to deal with the bad guys, we didn't have any control over anything once we let go that money!


& by the way you're a lousy capitalist if you think your money has no influence.

I stand by this comment

intelligent comment below
They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.
 
2012-09-18 03:02:18 PM  

beta_plus: derp


For supposedly being a beta plus, you constantly expel epsilon-level derp.

*KA-WHOOOM*
 
2012-09-18 03:10:02 PM  

Isitoveryet: pdee: Its their money. Its theirs to spend how they choose. Unless you think we should go over there in force to change their government to suite you. And its still not our fault that the money stays at the top. If I buy an product its not my fault the CEO makes 500 times more money than the guy sweeping the floor.

Translation:Our money does not make them poor.

you are right, it's not our fault! we just give them our money then it's their to do with what they please, we are just innocent little angels here, we can't make the money we spend be used appropriately as a matter of fact, we are forced to deal with the bad guys, we didn't have any control over anything once we let go that money!


& by the way you're a lousy capitalist if you think your money has no influence.

I stand by this comment

intelligent comment below
They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.


So if we did not give them money they would all be rich? If not for our dirty money they would all be peaceful secular progressives? Without oil money they would have long ago switched to democracies and treated their women as equals?

Giving some people money does not make other people poor! Giving 1 person money does not put another person in poverty.

Are you so dense you can not understand that?
 
2012-09-18 03:12:12 PM  

Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?



Try Operation Ajax, where we overthrew the democratically elected leader in Iran and installed the Shah.
 
2012-09-18 03:15:28 PM  
They hate us because they're leaders blame us for how shiatty their lives are.

Just like how Republican leaders blame everything on welfare, gays, and abortion.
 
2012-09-18 03:19:13 PM  

coyo: Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?


Try Operation Ajax, where we overthrew the democratically elected leader in Iran and installed the Shah.


1953 Iranian coup d'état

60 Years ago?

Iran Median age. Median age: total: 26.8 years
male: 26.6 years
female: 27.1 years (2011 est.)


30 years before most Iranians were born?
 
2012-09-18 03:21:38 PM  

pdee: I stand by this comment

intelligent comment below
They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.

So if we did not give them money they would all be rich? Tard? If not for our dirty money they would all be peaceful secular progressives? of course not Without oil money they would have long ago switched to democracies and treated their women as equals? Facepalm

Giving some people money does not make other people poor! True Giving 1 person money does not put another person in poverty. Dept of Redundant Redundancies

Are you so dense you can not understand that? messes pdee's hair


we are enablers, we are perpetuates. we ultimately (well as much as the percent of foreign monies we pump into their economies) have the first say, that is, are we bettering these peoples society or are we making it worse? if yes better proceed, if no worse, maybe we should rethink our role in this transaction.

you are correct in what you are saying but you are leaving a huge gap in the conversation. intentionally? perhaps.
 
2012-09-18 03:23:48 PM  

malaktaus: They don't really hate us at all, they hate the image of us they have created. I've seen several Muslims comment on articles about the protests, and a common statement is some variation of "if America can punish people for insulting other religions, especially Judaism, these people should be punished for insulting Islam." Never mind that this statement is basically delusional, never mind the fact that we have neo-Nazis in this country who openly call for another Holocaust against the Jews and nothing is done to them as long as it remains just talk.


Ultimately I agree with what you are saying here, but its not completely delusional. The issue isn't just America, it is the "west", and much in the same way that many folks on the hawkish right throw norther africans, turks, kurdish, arabs, pursians, etc in to one big pot, and try to treat them the same; America gets tossed in the same pot as the west(specifically Europe) there. The reality is in Europe antisemitism and holocaust denial are meet with the force of law in some countries. I know we are not Europe, but if you have the ignore the differences folks in this country, you know it is going to be vastly worse in countries with less institutional education.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial
 
2012-09-18 03:37:47 PM  
n fact, we are hated not just by radical Muslims, but by profoundly secular forces in the Arab World: the Ba'ath Party, for example, was the brainchild of an Arab Christian.


Christian = secular?
 
2012-09-18 03:38:06 PM  

Isitoveryet: pdee: I stand by this comment

intelligent comment below
They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.

So if we did not give them money they would all be rich? Tard? If not for our dirty money they would all be peaceful secular progressives? of course not Without oil money they would have long ago switched to democracies and treated their women as equals? Facepalm

Giving some people money does not make other people poor! True Giving 1 person money does not put another person in poverty. Dept of Redundant Redundancies

Are you so dense you can not understand that? messes pdee's hair

we are enablers, we are perpetuates. we ultimately (well as much as the percent of foreign monies we pump into their economies) have the first say, that is, are we bettering these peoples society or are we making it worse? if yes better proceed, if no worse, maybe we should rethink our role in this transaction.

you are correct in what you are saying but you are leaving a huge gap in the conversation. intentionally? perhaps.


You still take the absurd position that our money makes them poor.

If we did not buy their oil someone else would. If no one bought their oil do you believe they would be better off? Without oil revenues you think their standard of living would increase?

You can easily find many thing to criticize about the west's foreign policies toward the meddle east but at least leave off the insane proposition that our money makes them poor.
 
2012-09-18 03:38:20 PM  

pdee: coyo: Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?


Try Operation Ajax, where we overthrew the democratically elected leader in Iran and installed the Shah.

1953 Iranian coup d'état

60 Years ago?

Iran Median age. Median age: total: 26.8 years
male: 26.6 years
female: 27.1 years (2011 est.)

30 years before most Iranians were born?


The shaw was supported by the US government up until he was ousted in 1979, by the same people running the iranian govenrment today. If you don't think people in power will remind the people of how they took their country back from their evil oppressors, you will never understand the arc of history. So yes, specifically in Iran, that is still a big farking deal.
 
2012-09-18 03:40:10 PM  

coeyagi: red5ish: They hate us because

1) their leaders use us as symbols and targets to distract and redirect their people's attention from other causes of their dissatisfaction

2) there is a long history of us meddling in their politics, installing and supporting vicious dictators

3) we are looting their countries of their natural resources

4) they are poor and we are obnoxiously and conspicuously wealthy

5) we are not Muslims and Westerners have a long history of waging war against Muslims

6) we support Israel, its existence, its displacement of the Palestinians, and Israel's bad neighbor policies

7) they have been trained and indoctrinated to hate us all of their lives (see #1)

8) they are aware that we dislike, disrespect, even hate them in return, or at best tolerate their existence

9) you get the picture.

10) We made The Jewel of the Nile depicting Muslims / Danny Devito as buffoons.




You placement of #1 is curious considering the fact that those leaders and the "other causes of their dissatisfaction" are largely the result of #1, 2 and 3.
 
2012-09-18 03:52:16 PM  

pdee: You still take the absurd position that our money makes them poor.

If we did not buy their oil someone else would. If no one bought their oil do you believe they would be better off? Without oil revenues you think their standard of living would increase?

You can easily find many thing to criticize about the west's foreign policies toward the meddle east but at least leave off the insane proposition that our money makes them poor.


You make it sound as if the money we spend for oil goes right back to the people! That would be socialism and that is bad, so keep out of the people's hands..... Have they earned it!? NO! They just sit on land that happens to have natural resources, big deal! Keep the money in the hands of the rulers and the multinational companies, that's the american way.
 
2012-09-18 03:53:53 PM  

doctor wu: coeyagi: red5ish: They hate us because

1) their leaders use us as symbols and targets to distract and redirect their people's attention from other causes of their dissatisfaction

2) there is a long history of us meddling in their politics, installing and supporting vicious dictators

3) we are looting their countries of their natural resources

4) they are poor and we are obnoxiously and conspicuously wealthy

5) we are not Muslims and Westerners have a long history of waging war against Muslims

6) we support Israel, its existence, its displacement of the Palestinians, and Israel's bad neighbor policies

7) they have been trained and indoctrinated to hate us all of their lives (see #1)

8) they are aware that we dislike, disrespect, even hate them in return, or at best tolerate their existence

9) you get the picture.

10) We made The Jewel of the Nile depicting Muslims / Danny Devito as buffoons.



You placement of #1 is curious considering the fact that those leaders and the "other causes of their dissatisfaction" are largely the result of #1, 2 and 3.


I didn't place anything but #10, bucko.
 
2012-09-18 04:11:32 PM  
Fair enough, I see now that red5ish posted it, apologies. Having said that - "bucko"??! Seriously? I'm s-s-s-s-or..........I'm s-s-s-s....
 
2012-09-18 04:12:41 PM  

pdee: coyo: Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?


Try Operation Ajax, where we overthrew the democratically elected leader in Iran and installed the Shah.

1953 Iranian coup d'état

60 Years ago?

Iran Median age. Median age: total: 26.8 years
male: 26.6 years
female: 27.1 years (2011 est.)

30 years before most Iranians were born?



How long would you think it would take for Americans to trust a power that would overthrow their democracy?
 
2012-09-18 04:13:51 PM  
Did overthrow, in the hypothetical, but I'm sure you understood the meaning.
 
2012-09-18 04:16:15 PM  

pdee: You still take the absurd position that our money makes them poor.

If we did not buy their oil someone else would. If no one bought their oil do you believe they would be better off? Without oil revenues you think their standard of living would increase?

You can easily find many thing to criticize about the west's foreign policies toward the meddle east but at least leave off the insane proposition that our money makes them poor.



Im just gonna leave this here (again).

intelligent comment below
They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.

pdee, whatever you get out of the above statement, just keep it to yourself.

oil money corrupts their countries =/= our money makes them poor
 
2012-09-18 04:43:43 PM  

Anonymocoso: We kill them because if we kill enough of them, gas might go beneath a dollar a gallon.


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2012-09-18 04:51:12 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Happy Hours: The My Little Pony Killer: No, they hate us because we bomb the bajeezus out of them, and you know what? I don't blame them one little bit.

When was the last time we bombed Iran? Or Syria? Or Jordan?

What resources do those countries have and are the native people able to extract and refine them on their own?


To be fair it's not always about bombing, in some cases it's easier to put in a puppet government, rule the people for 60 years and then wonder why they don't like you,
 
2012-09-18 11:45:24 PM  

Huggermugger: As someone who grew up in the Middle East the daughter of a US diplomat (who was an Arabist), in several countries carved up from the former Ottoman Empire, I think that we should really stop invoking all of that stuff.



Why? the same people with the guns are in power

The citizens are still illiterate while the rulers swim in money

The area is backwards because that's how the oil money flows to the top, and it makes the west happy so they can get their cheap subsidized oil

Huggermugger: The Middle East has had more than enough home-grown nationalistic heroes in every country since they were oppressed by the Ottomans and the colonial powers


Home grown as in used by the west to secure their resources
 
2012-09-18 11:50:00 PM  

beta_plus: The difference between Romney's supporters and Obama's 47% is that Romney's supporters just want to be left alone.



In between telling everyone else who you can pray to, what you can drink, what you can smoke, who you can marry and have sex with, who can vote, etc etc etc


beta_plus: They actually don't have a problem handing over their money to buy peace, but 45 years of doing so has not brought it and it has become obvious that it never will.


Isn't it strange when your people get into power they are directly responsible for 45 years of war?

But trust you this time, just like Bush was going to be the great compassionate conservative

beta_plus: Not only does Obama's 47% want every last dime of Romney's supporters



39% is every last dime?

More like you want every last dime from the poor

beta_plus: they want to kill them as well.



Like when Republicans talk about REAL AMERICA, REAL AMERICANS, TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK, 2nd AMENDMENT SOLUTION

Projection again

beta_plus: But Romney's supporters are clearly all elitist racists and deserve what's coming to them.



No you are all just greedy misguided uneducated hypocrites so bound up in the rat race you will trample over anyone and everyone to live in a nice house while the world crumbles around you

beta_plus: That's the crucial difference between America and Sweden. When a rich Swede signs his tax bill, he doesn't worry if he's paying to raise the kids that will murder his children.


straight to a strawman, welfare recipients will murder your kids!

hint- it's Republican policies that lead people to be stuck in the poverty trap, that's when someone "murders your children"

And hey they could join the military, then murdering someone ELSES kids is damn PATRIOTIC. HUUURAAHH
 
2012-09-18 11:51:54 PM  

pdee: Taking our money causes their poverty.

Liberal Logic.



They money goes to the citizens? Why do they have the highest illiteracy rates then? It goes to corrupt dictators the west props up
 
2012-09-18 11:54:48 PM  

pdee: Unless you think we should go over there in force to change their government to suite you.



But you already have, by creating countries like Iraq in the first place, drawing lines in the sand, and funding their armies and dictators.

pdee: If I buy an product its not my fault the CEO makes 500 times more money than the guy sweeping the floor.



But if you don't like it, don't buy the product. THAT is liberal logic
 
2012-09-18 11:56:24 PM  

tinderboxer: The shaw was supported by the US government up until he was ousted in 1979, by the same people running the iranian govenrment today. If you don't think people in power will remind the people of how they took their country back from their evil oppressors, you will never understand the arc of history. So yes, specifically in Iran, that is still a big farking deal.



The conservatives can't stop circle jerking themselves over Reagan who came into power in the 1980's

This idiot trying to claim 30 years ago was a long time and other idiotic false equivalencies and strawmen is wasting all our time.
 
2012-09-19 03:55:27 AM  

pdee: Isitoveryet: pdee: Its their money. Its theirs to spend how they choose. Unless you think we should go over there in force to change their government to suite you. And its still not our fault that the money stays at the top. If I buy an product its not my fault the CEO makes 500 times more money than the guy sweeping the floor.

Translation:Our money does not make them poor.

you are right, it's not our fault! we just give them our money then it's their to do with what they please, we are just innocent little angels here, we can't make the money we spend be used appropriately as a matter of fact, we are forced to deal with the bad guys, we didn't have any control over anything once we let go that money!


& by the way you're a lousy capitalist if you think your money has no influence.

I stand by this comment

intelligent comment below
They hate you because your oil money corrupts their countries and causes such huge poverty and ignorance of the population.

So if we did not give them money they would all be rich? If not for our dirty money they would all be peaceful secular progressives? Without oil money they would have long ago switched to democracies and treated their women as equals?

Giving some people money does not make other people poor! Giving 1 person money does not put another person in poverty.

Are you so dense you can not understand that?


The money we give dictators for foreign aid goes three places, in this order:
1. To the dictator's immediate cronies to ensure their continued support
2. To the military, to ensure they don't raise a coup against the dictator
3. To the dictator's overseas bank accounts.

Any money left over--and you can see there is none--goes to helping the populace. In exchange for our foreign aid, the dictator agrees to whatever policies the aid provider requires--and it's almost never humanitarian purposes. We supported Samuel Doe because he agreed to let us use Liberia as a staging port against the Soviets and so he'd license our leaky oil tankers out of his country to avoid US regulation. We supported Mobutu Sese Seko because he agreed to fight the Angolan communists in the jungles of Zaire and save us the trouble. We supported Saddam Hussein when he agreed to fight Iran in the 80's, and agreed to support the Shah in Iran in the 60's because Mossadegh was too "populist" for the CIA's palate at the time. We installed Pinochet in Chile after making sure the "populist" democratically elected Allende was assassinated. Saddam, the Shah and Pinochet all got airdrops of cash from Uncle Sam for their agreeable stance.

It goes on and on. Sending foreign aid to dictators and totalitarian countries only ensures that they stay in power, spend next to nothing on their people, and can flee the inevitable rebellion or coup with fat Cayman Islands accounts. Now and then, you get a more benign dictator, like Trujillo in Santo Domingo, who uses some of his own cut after he pays off the army and his buddies, to do a few nice things for the people; but they never last. Someone like Sgt. Doe always climbs the back wall and kills them.

So yeah, I'm sorry, giving money to one person can make a hell of a lot of people poor, and also hate the nation that gives their dictator all his cash.
 
2012-09-19 04:08:58 AM  

Gyrfalcon: We supported Samuel Doe because he agreed to let us use Liberia as a staging port against the Soviets and so he'd license our leaky oil tankers out of his country to avoid US regulation. We supported Mobutu Sese Seko because he agreed to fight the Angolan communists in the jungles of Zaire and save us the trouble. We supported Saddam Hussein when he agreed to fight Iran in the 80's, and agreed to support the Shah in Iran in the 60's because Mossadegh was too "populist" for the CIA's palate at the time. We installed Pinochet in Chile after making sure the "populist" democratically elected Allende was assassinated. Saddam, the Shah and Pinochet all got airdrops of cash from Uncle Sam for their agreeable stance.



Another student of history. Good write up
 
2012-09-19 04:37:21 AM  
They hate us because their government keeps telling them to, and they're not smart enough to know better.
 
2012-09-19 11:05:52 AM  
I pretty much despise people who say and think things like that so uncritically, so yes, I do hate them for who they are. Too bad I was born in the same country as those ignorant yahoos.
 
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