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2012-09-18 03:50:39 PM  
9 votes:
Entitled: People making near, at or below poverty income who have little or no tax liability and virtually no income beyond what is required for the basic necessities of life.

Not entitled: People born into wealth, sent through expensive preparatory schools and shipped off to college with $100,000 in their pocket in cash who now want to cut the safety net out from under the "entitled" people so they can cut their own taxes and have an extra million dollars in expendable income.

/ that's probably a sustainable economic policy... yea... right
// maybe the asshole who won't release his own tax returns shouldn't be so critical of anybody else's?
2012-09-18 04:12:10 PM  
8 votes:
What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?
2012-09-18 12:22:55 PM  
8 votes:
I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes. Of course, cutting their income to $20k a year doesn't sound very appealing to them.
2012-09-18 04:03:31 PM  
6 votes:
I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...
2012-09-18 04:10:49 PM  
5 votes:
One side of the GOP's mouth screams "CUT TAXES!"

The other side shouts "HEY! WHY AREN'T THOSE PEOPLE PAYING TAXES?"
2012-09-18 11:12:27 PM  
4 votes:

Silly Jesus: Romney is right. We're now at the point where over 47 percent of the people in this county --- over 47 percemt of people who are old enough to be in the U.S. workforce --- pay no income taxes at all. Actually, it's worse than that. Not only do they not pay taxes, they consume a good portion of the taxes paid by the other 52+ percent. These people are on the government teat .. and for all-too-many of them, that's exactly where they want to stay.

In America, one-half of the population is living off the other half. Almost one-half of Americans support and maintain their lifestyles by using the federal government as an instrument of plunder. And why not? Politicians - liberal politicians - make it easy for them. Their president - their hero - their savior - Barack Obama -- says that it is government spending that made America great! Well fine! Then let's make America even greater! Spend more money on ME! These moochers rather like the life of living off of the work of others and they will vote for Obama -- if they vote at all. Voting, after all, requires effort. He's the man who will protect their parasitic lifestyle.


Shut the Fark up.

I am one of that 47% who doesn't pay in on Income Taxes.

Last year I spent most of the year on Active Duty as a National Guardsman, other than that I was at the police academy, or serving as a police officer. After the EITC and other credits/deductions, my wife (who is too ill to work) and myself got a very modest refund.

The year before that, I was on Active Duty almost all year. Again, being an enlisted man in the US Army may pay the bills, but you will never be rich. Combine that with those same credits and deductions, and we got a refund.

The years before that I was working 40 to 60 hour work weeks in a variety of blue collar jobs. My wife worked night-shift staff at a rehab center (before her health went downhill, in part due to extreme stress from her job) on 40 to 50 hour workweeks herself. We didn't make a lot of money, but it paid the bills. Again, due to credits and deductions, we got a refund.

I'm one of those 47% Mitt Romney talks about. I'm no damn moocher. I work my ass off. I don't expect free food, free lodging, or free healthcare from the government. What I DO expect is that if I work hard that I can afford healthy and safe food, comfortable and secure lodging, and have affordable and adequate healthcare. Mitt has openly said he plans to repeal that last one, and has blatantly insulted me when he thought he was confidentially speaking to a dinner of the uber-rich.

I'd have to have extra holes in my head to think that voting for Mitt Romney and his plutocratic class-warfare agenda was a good idea, so you can STFU with the Republican spin talking points..
2012-09-18 05:09:53 PM  
4 votes:

FlashHarry: dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes. Of course, cutting their income to $20k a year doesn't sound very appealing to them.

in retirement, mitt romney makes about $56,000 a day. let that sink in.


I also like how people white knighting for Romney and others are so fast to accuse of wealth envy. I suppose it hasn't occurred to them that the system is rotten from the inside out. The ones at the top have killed the gatekeepers and confiscated their keys.
2012-09-18 05:07:41 PM  
4 votes:

dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes. Of course, cutting their income to $20k a year doesn't sound very appealing to them.


in retirement, mitt romney makes about $56,000 a day. let that sink in.
2012-09-18 12:27:23 PM  
4 votes:
Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.
2012-09-18 05:13:19 PM  
3 votes:

Mouser: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?


He's claiming that almost half of the country are nothing more than lazy, unmotivated mooches who are dumb asses.

Most Americans are people who are hard workers who jobs and opportunity have been shipped off for the sake of corporations and shareholders "profit" Their wages haven't gone up the same rate as the "executives". Their medical expenses had gone up higher than inflation. Some live in areas where there are no decent services.

In fact, it only shows how out of touch he actually his with at least half of the populace.
2012-09-18 02:48:49 PM  
3 votes:

ShawnDoc: dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes income tax.

Minor, but important correction.


True... good point. Obviously, there are a myriad of other taxes they are already paying. And any "help" they get is really to offset the fact that they are still paying those other taxes....

IMO, someone making 20k a year.... I am fine with their net tax overall being zeroed out, especially if they have dependents.
2012-09-18 02:23:32 PM  
3 votes:

impaler: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Earguy: I swear this whole video thing was on Fark weeks ago, don't remember if it was greenlit. Anybody else? Why is this hitting now, instead of back then?

It wasn't adequately sourced for the press until Carter found the poster and hooked them up with MJ and HuffPo.

/yes, some journalists have some standards

Did they think it was CGI or something?


Without a date and location and a source you open the door for all kinds of allegations, dubbing, editing, etc. "impaler" can't really be cited; the journalist has no idea who you are. Once he verifies you're a wealthy Republican and were at least likely to be at the fundraiser or have some other bona fides he can have more faith in your video.
2012-09-18 01:27:37 PM  
3 votes:
FTFA: Carter, 35, described himself as a "partisan Democrat" and said he is currently unemployed

No way!
2012-09-18 12:59:04 PM  
3 votes:
I swear this whole video thing was on Fark weeks ago, don't remember if it was greenlit. Anybody else? Why is this hitting now, instead of back then?
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-18 12:25:33 PM  
3 votes:
The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.
2012-09-19 11:25:13 AM  
2 votes:

Coming on a Bicycle: rufus-t-firefly: Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.

I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?

It could also be that many people actually want that 47% number to be less. You know, make people pay taxes. Not much, at the low end, and perhaps a lot *more* at the high end, but *some*.


Yeah, but all of those people DO pay taxes, just not federal income taxes. If they work, 15 percent of their compensation goes to Medicare and Social Security. Romney's total federal tax bill is under 14 percent (because SS & Medicare are taxed only on the first $110,000 of wage income, it's an insignificant amount for someone with his income). And they pay a much higher percentage of their income in property taxes, sales taxes, federal excise taxes, etc., because when you have a lower income, you tend to spend almost all of it on taxed necessities, rather than plowing a lot of it back into (untaxed) investments.

The problem is that people WANT to believe that their taxes are wasted on moochers, because it allows them to think that their already low taxes could be lowered further without any real sacrifice. Having a message that feeds a common prejudice, however false, is always better than having a factual message that people don't want to believe. That's why RMoney is so close in the polls.
2012-09-19 10:40:41 AM  
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Romney was spot on. Everything he said is exactly true. He should have campaigned on that. He is never, ever going to get an Obama voter to switch. But there are pissed off independents who have to pay taxes who don't care for welfare bums too.

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished... Romney should campaign that poor people are lazy and need to get off their asses.


Except what he said wasn't true at all, other than that 47 percent of people don't pay federal income taxes. Then he went on to a flat lie (and a popular conservative talking point) that those 47 percent are lazy moochers who won't take reponsibility for their lives. That's not even close to being true. Nearly two thirds of that 47 percent works and pays federal payroll taxes at a higher rate of taxation than Romney pays (when you include the employer contribution). Most of the rest of the 47 percent are retired. Fewer than 15 percent of those who don't pay federal income taxes are actually "dependents," who are either temporarily unemployed because of the bad economy or unemployable (disabled, incarcerated, etc.).

The 47 percent doesn't pay federal income taxes mainly because of tax breaks passed in the Reagan and Bush II administrations. Wealthy people got much bigger tax breaks from those changes in tax law, and now they're complaining that people who don't make a lot of money got tax breaks, too?
2012-09-18 07:55:16 PM  
2 votes:

westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?


Just speculation, but if he took advantage of the Swiss Bank Account Amnesty Program in 2009, it might be a tough sell...
2012-09-18 06:09:29 PM  
2 votes:
What do you think will happen if you aid the enemy?

A judge-issued warrant for my arrest, legal counsel, a jury of my peers, and lawful punishment, for starters.

Even if you believe that Obama will only assassinate the bad guys, you are setting the precedent that the executive office can kill anyone, anywhere, with merely a "j'accuse!"

Al-awaki may very well have been engaged in illegal behavior, but no evidence has been forthcoming from the administration. The only publically confirmed information has him playing the role of a motivational speaker for assholes, which the Supreme Court has ruled numerous times is protected speech. His designated terrorist status was a "trust us" from the government.

I dont want ANYONE to have that kind of power. FSM help us if a real nutjob ever gains the office.
2012-09-18 05:57:39 PM  
2 votes:

westfalc: When someone has that large amount of money, I'd imagine that he has an extremely diversified portfolio of investments, and some of that will be funds in offshore accounts. Not sure of the problem of that although I can see an argument saying it's immoral somehow to do what the US Treasury has established as being completely legal. Wouldn't you think that any money he made and placed into an offshore account has already had taxes paid on it before it got put there? From a business sense, wouldn't you place some of your portfolio in a diverse mix of accounts to include bonds, stocks (both US and foreign), foreign currency (take advantage of exchange rate fluctuations), and anything else? Seems to make great sense from a business and finance standpoint. Nothing says being patriotic means you put your investment funds into the least profitable mix of investments. I can see hypocritical in only a small sense. I'm just trying to look at this from a non-emotional, objective standpoint. I'd bet a tremendous amount of his investment portfolio is in US securities, of which we all benefit as that money is capital for businesses which is what keeps our economy chugging. Am I off track a bunch here without getting into like him or hate him dialogue?


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven

"The Economist has tentatively adopted the description by Geoffrey Colin Powell (former economic adviser to Jersey): "What ... identifies an area as a tax haven is the existence of a composite tax structure established deliberately to take advantage of, and exploit, a worldwide demand for opportunities to engage in tax avoidance." [emphasis added]

As someone else has already said, it's not illegal. But lower- and midde-class voters can get kinda pissy when the rich people who want us to vote for them are using legal loopholes and special privileges that aren't available to us to reduce their tax burden.

Romney has a lot of money. I'm pretty sure he got it legally, so I'm okay with it. He has enough that he doesn't have to work anymore and can live off the capital gains. I'm okay with that, too. Capital gains are taxed at a much lower rate than income working-class people get from, um, working. Okay, I'm a little jealous about that, but I know that there are reasons for that, such as it encourages re-investment, which in turn should benefit the US economy. So, once again, I'm okay with it.

But when rich, US citizens use foreign tax havens to reduce their US taxes below the capital gains rate, that's when lower- and middle-class voters get to see how rigged the game is.

And that's what people are expecting to see more of, if Romney releases more than one tax return. 

tl;dr -- WHAR 1040 WHAR? :-)
2012-09-18 05:50:02 PM  
2 votes:

WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?


Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.
2012-09-18 05:45:51 PM  
2 votes:

I Browse: Thunderpipes:

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished...


Man...I have got to start paying closer attention to the news. I can't believe I completely missed that! You'd think that a sitting president calling rich people "evil" and advocating for them to be "punished" would be a huge story. You know what? Screw the media. I've got Google. I'm gonna search for those quotes and see for myself.


This. There seems to be conflation in the minds of the right of 'wealth envy' and basic disgust at the patrician attitude of folks like Romney.
2012-09-18 05:45:27 PM  
2 votes:

bluefox3681: pxlboy: westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?

Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.

Ethical like assassinating US citizens on foreign soil without a trial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-usa-yemen-lawsuit-idUSBR E 86H1BT20120718

But yeah, tax returns are the most important thing in this election.


Yes, Obama is a mass murderer. Not sure why you, as an evident Romy supporter, would bring it up seeing as one of Romney's campaign planks seems to be that the mass murder just isn't quite mass enough.
2012-09-18 05:42:45 PM  
2 votes:

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


Actually from looking at the video it appears that the camera is on a serving table or welcome table in the back behind everybody. So I'm guessing one of the waitstaff, you know part of the 47% that Romney doesn't care about, took the video
2012-09-18 05:35:51 PM  
2 votes:

Mouser: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?


(1) Because it's untrue. (2) Because it shows that Romney has total contempt for half the people in the country yet still still thinks he's entitled to be President.
2012-09-18 05:32:19 PM  
2 votes:

Thunderpipes: Everything he said is exactly true.


Problem a lot of that 47 percent vote Republican....
2012-09-18 05:20:39 PM  
2 votes:

westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?


I know that Romney hasn't done anything illegal with his taxes. What would hurt him is if he had paid far less % than the average middle class person due to tax deductions and loopholes. Most Americans doe not hate the rich for being rich...but they do hate any special "privileges" the rich get from tax breaks due to accountants the average American can't hire.
2012-09-18 05:05:23 PM  
2 votes:

westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?


Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.
2012-09-18 05:00:22 PM  
2 votes:

Mouser: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?


He's insulting his base by implying that they vote for Obama. Gov't doesn't give money to single dudes, in case you haven't noticed. All this "charity" goes to people with kids. People with kids are more Republican because apparently that's what happens when your life switches over to a "higher purpose." The main reason that more people don't pay taxes is that some previous Presidents (Republican I think, doesn't matter) created a tax break for them.
Ehh
2012-09-18 04:49:45 PM  
2 votes:

Two16: Sofa King Smart: I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...

B-b-bb-b-bbbbb--bbbb THA PANAMAR CANIALE!!!!


That's a big one for them. It doesn't even register with the non-wingnutty. So we had a treaty to give it back in 2000, and he honored it? Big deal. But to them it makes him history's greatest monster, even if Bush I got to be a hero stealing it back and use them newfangled stealth planes to bomb out a poor neighborhood when their former CIA asset went on the run.

And an American soldier shot a Spanish journalist dead. That went over REAL well in Spain.

Also, by actually being a nice guy who does Christian charity for the poor, instead of just paying lip service, Carter shows them up. Solar panels on the White House? Turn the thermostat down? FFFUFUFUFUUUUUUUU!!!!111
2012-09-18 04:13:59 PM  
2 votes:

mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?


They don't want the average person at those events, they want the "middle class" there, who according to Romney, make up to $250k a year. And obviously would be willing to part with 1/5 of their pretax yearly income to go to a Romney campaign event.
2012-09-18 04:11:29 PM  
2 votes:

rufus-t-firefly: BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.

It doesn't matter who recorded it. The identity of Deep Throat wasn't as important as the information he gave.

Of course, people who think James O'Keefe is a stellar example of journalism will say that this video doesn't mean anything, even though it's a presidential candidate writing off half the country.


Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.
2012-09-18 04:09:13 PM  
2 votes:

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


It doesn't matter who recorded it. The identity of Deep Throat wasn't as important as the information he gave.

Of course, people who think James O'Keefe is a stellar example of journalism will say that this video doesn't mean anything, even though it's a presidential candidate writing off half the country.
2012-09-18 04:08:28 PM  
2 votes:
All kidding aside. But this probably cost Mittens the election. He's going to lose moderates entirely now. I'm wondering how he's going to walk back from this one.
2012-09-18 04:05:51 PM  
2 votes:
"I dont like criticism of my family," James Carter IV tells NBC News."

I like this kid. A lot. I always wondered why more politicians kids don't come out like this. Hell, I get irritated when people tell lies about Obama and I don't even know him. Imagining they are talking about my father would send me over the edge.
2012-09-18 04:03:01 PM  
2 votes:
The moochers sure are butthurt by the truth.
2012-09-18 03:42:40 PM  
2 votes:

Sybarite: History's greatest monster strikes again.


They said Carter not Reagan dumb ass.
2012-09-18 02:50:03 PM  
2 votes:

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


The original guy that made the video is clearly pissed off. He paid $50,000 to buy some influence and all he got was a turd sandwich. You can't ask for that kind of money and then be a loser.

Guy figures if he's not getting his money's worth he might as well have some fun.
2012-09-18 02:32:28 PM  
2 votes:

dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes income tax.


Minor, but important correction.
2012-09-18 02:30:19 PM  
2 votes:
Another interesting Romney video is coming out today, check out vice.com's youtube channel... it's about his family who still lives in Mexico and they are currently at war with narco terrorists.
2012-09-18 01:34:11 PM  
2 votes:

impaler: Did they think it was CGI or something?


There's evidence of at least one computer program that can do Mitt Romney's voice. Stands to reason another could be created.
2012-09-18 01:05:28 PM  
2 votes:

Earguy: I swear this whole video thing was on Fark weeks ago, don't remember if it was greenlit. Anybody else? Why is this hitting now, instead of back then?


It wasn't adequately sourced for the press until Carter found the poster and hooked them up with MJ and HuffPo.

/yes, some journalists have some standards
2012-09-18 12:43:06 PM  
2 votes:
The source who shot the video told NBC News that it documented a May 17, $50,000-a-plate fundraiser at the home of private equity titan Marc Leder in Boca Raton, Fla.

If the Democrats were smart, they would have had their own macaca at the dinner. That $50,000 admission fee was worth 1,000 times that in advertising.
2012-09-18 12:18:43 PM  
2 votes:
History's greatest monster strikes again.
2012-09-20 09:34:18 AM  
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: You get more out than you put in. I was simply saying that you shouldn't complain. You made the choices in your life. You got a job where you wouldn't make enough money to survive without a government safety net. Your poor decisions in life do not entitle you to one cent of my money.


What government safety net?

My family and myself are not on TANF, SNAP, Medicaid, SSI or any other "welfare" program. The money I receive from the government is my salary for the job I do. I don't pay in on income tax because my income, when combined with deductions and tax credits, especially the EITC, reduces my income tax liability to zero. I'm still paying in plenty in other taxes, just not to the IRS.

The one time in my life that I needed a "safety net" involved an unpaid furlough from a private sector job due to a lack of work, and that need was met by a food bank at a local church. I have never taken a single dime in "welfare" from the government.

I am a soldier and a police officer, and if you are calling those poor career choices, just come right out and say you hate soldiers and police officers. Both of those jobs pay a helluva lot better than the retail, food service and customer service jobs I had beforehand, and you better bet that this "47%" includes a lot of people who check you out at the store, serve your food, and answer your calls, and they are hardworking people who pay into the system too. . .just not to the IRS.

As for what right does somebody have to what you make, here is how. You didn't make that all by yourself, President Obama was right. You drove to work on roads funded by public dollars. You probably went to a public school. You are breathing clean air and drinking clean water ensured by the EPA. You live under the security provided through the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security, as well as your local and state police forces. You are safe from fire because of your local fire department. You know if a storm is coming because of the National Weather Service.

Even if you are an entrepreneur and "made it yourself", your employees were also taught in public schools, maybe even went to college on student loans. You may well have had a Small Business Administration loan to help you get started.

The American people are entitled to a portion of your work, through taxation, to pay back what you took out just by living in this country. You are entitled to that same portion of everybody elses work. It's called living in a civilized country. Taxes have been levied by every government in history. Unless you were a frontiersman living in the wilderness or some explorer stranded on a distant island, you paid taxes and lived with the benefits of those taxes. In the 21st century, neither one of those is a valid career path.

The Ayn Rand fantasy of a handful of bold entrepreneurs struggling against vast hordes evil moochers and an oppressive government is just that, the childish fantasy of people who don't understand how the world really works, as written by a woman deeply scarred by growing up during the Russian Revolution. You think you're Atlas? Go ahead, shrug, I dare you. Go off an try to make Galt's Gulch, leave society. Be John Galt if you think you can. You'll find that in the real world, we need government to work well, and it's a lot more than a handful of percent of people that really make the world go. Want to know what a world without taxes and government looks like in the real world? Look at Somalia: thieves, pirates, gangs, religious militias, and constant low-grade warfare.

The "system" will crash a lot faster if the waiters, sales clerks, call center workers, janitors, and other working men left than if these Randian entrepreneurs left.
2012-09-19 09:04:18 PM  
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: Being jealous of the poor and not wanting your money confiscated by the government and handed over to the moochers and parasites are two very different things. The first one being a figment of your imagination created to avoid reality.


After seeing what an asshole you made of yourself with Silverstaff, I'm not about to take lectures in reality avoidance from the likes of you.

The central focus of your philosophy seems to be that anyone who isn't rich is just lazy. That's a myth, and a callous, blind one at that.
2012-09-19 08:53:49 PM  
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: I work hard enough to not have to depend on the government taking money from someone else and giving it to me. I'm sorry that this isn't important to you.


Oh really?

You're saying I don't work hard just because I'm paid by the Government?

I'm not hard working when I am on active duty? I'm not hard working when I am on duty as a cop?

When is the last time you worked a 90 hour work week? The last time you had to kick down a door at your job? The last time you had to slide down a rope out of a helicopter at your job? The last time that you had to make a decision that might cost good men and women their lives if you got it wrong?

I work plenty hard, probably harder than you. Your tax dollars pay my salary.

That "47%" Mitt Romney talked about includes veterans, soldiers, the elderly, the poor. . .and they aren't moochers.

Just because you don't make enough money to pay income tax doesn't mean your entire life is tax free. I still pay sales tax, gasoline tax, property taxes, payroll taxes & FICA, state income taxes, and more taxes that I am probably not even realizing. About the only tax I can think I DON'T pay is cigarette tax because I don't smoke, and Capitol Gains tax because I'm not rich enough to have big investments.

I know I don't have a lot of money, but the money I do pay in taxes I know goes to provide a school for my son, roads to drive on, the salaries of my fellow servicemembers and officers, as well as other civil servants, as well as a wide variety of services and programs. It's not just throwing money into a government-shaped hole and it's wasted, I'm paying my fair share in, and I get my fair share out.
2012-09-19 05:30:41 PM  
1 votes:

Man On Pink Corner: Yep. You shouldn't have the power to vote your way into my wallet just because you and your wife managed to figure out the whole sex thing.


Well, I pay taxes. Why should you have any say in how they're spent?

Seriously, you cannot see how stupid this line of "reasoning" is?
2012-09-19 11:42:40 AM  
1 votes:

Mouser: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?


For many reasons, outside of the fact that the his statement is a generalization of almost half the US population. I think the biggest issue with his comment is that here you have an individual who wants to be President, but has implied that he could care less about half the population.

Any reasonable person who has been following politics lately already knew this. All he's done is confirm it. His damage control didn't help.
2012-09-19 11:20:10 AM  
1 votes:
if you lazy moochers still vote Romney in after all of this, you deserve whatever shiat he does to your country.
2012-09-19 11:12:14 AM  
1 votes:

Sofa King Smart: I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...


Not really a farmer, not totally self-made (His wiki is wrong on this; sourced to bad journalism). His dad was fairly wealthy. Jimmy took over the family peanut warehouse business after his dad died and expanded it. Great guy, though. Kind of a crummy president (kind of a mean boss, micro-manager, bad at congressional and public relations), but a GREAT ex-president.
2012-09-19 09:29:12 AM  
1 votes:
The saddest part is that a significant portion of those wastrels that Rom-bot complains about are actually the second half of his base; Americans who vote on Abortion, Jesus, Bigots, and Guns.

What a great deal the Republican party has with them; all they have to do is pay minimal lip-service at zero dollar cost. Poor Democrats actually have to invest real money in Environment, Job Safety and Basic Entitlement programs.
2012-09-19 06:07:28 AM  
1 votes:
One more reason to like President Carter and his family!
2012-09-18 11:19:27 PM  
1 votes:

Silverstaff: FlyingJ: BunkyBrewman Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Watch the video-esp the waiters moving in front of the lens. The camera's obvs on a wheeled dinner-serving tray, the speech was illicitly taped by spacemonkey waiters i.e. Romney's 47%'ers [api.ning.com image 850x357]

Makes me wonder if he said other, even more offensive things beforehand and they decided to fire up the camera to get the dirt afterwards, and he just kept right on talking and saying things he should probably regret later.

Yeah, the Project Mayhem/"We Watch You While You Sleep" pic is appropriate. Rmoney's campaign was already on the ropes, but he pissed off the waiters. A $50k a plate dinner, with waiters making well less than that per year. They were serving people who could throw away more than their annual salary on one night's expenses. I'd imagine they were pretty bitter, when combined with his plutocratic class-warfare act.

I do wonder if this was held in reserve for a specific moment, like if Mitt was doing better they would have already used it. Yesterday was supposed to be when he started talking about issues and putting some substance into his campaign. . .and that got derailed instantly, like this one was being held back as a political weapon to use at an optimum time.


The video's been on the circut (youtube) for a while now; May, IIRC. It's getting more traction now because of Carter Jr. outing himself as forwarding the clip to news agencies who picked up on it.

Your analysis of the wait staff, 100% on, me thinks. It harkens to a time when Edwards (another born into/and worked through devious methods 1%-er) came into the diner I was working at once and left a 17 cent tip on a $230 bill for him and some staffers late in the nights service. We were even on our very best behavior, knowing how rich he is and expecting a good tip-out; hell, we even turned the death metal off...

/so thrilled I don't work for tips any longer
//thinks everyone everywhere should have to live off of a tip-based-salary for at least 6 months out of their lives to understand better
2012-09-18 09:27:30 PM  
1 votes:
BunkyBrewman Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Watch the video-esp the waiters moving in front of the lens. The camera's obvs on a wheeled dinner-serving tray, the speech was illicitly taped by spacemonkey waiters i.e. Romney's 47%'ers api.ning.com
2012-09-18 08:03:45 PM  
1 votes:

Nem Wan: Thunderpipes: Romney was spot on. Everything he said is exactly true. He should have campaigned on that. He is never, ever going to get an Obama voter to switch. But there are pissed off independents who have to pay taxes who don't care for welfare bums too.

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished... Romney should campaign that poor people are lazy and need to get off their asses.

Wealth is increasingly concentrated in fewer people. Suppose you end up with the majority being poor (not a stretch if it's already at 47%)? How do you win an election? Maybe you need to take away one person, one vote and make it like a stockholder vote, where to vote you have to buy shares in America and your vote counts by number of shares you own. That'll make sure the rich call all the shots forever.


Implying that our elected "representatives" weren't already bought and sold.
2012-09-18 07:47:20 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Slesfo: People should know that the video was probably recorded not by a guest, but by one of the waitstaff.

"The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they're not having a good year. "


Doesn't matter who recorded it.
Whatever it takes to out a true blue sociopath, so be it.
This farker is flying a false flag and claiming it is God.

/Jebus would approve
2012-09-18 07:38:17 PM  
1 votes:

Optimus Composite: Thank God he didn't accuse a large part of the country of being bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him, how do you think we got President McCain? Oh wait..




"But the truth is that our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's no evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, Ohio-like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years, and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration and the Bush administration. And each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate. And they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, and they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or, you know, anti-trade sentiment [as] a way to explain their frustrations.

"Now, these are in some communities. You know, I think what you'll find is that people of every background-there are going to be a mix of people. You can go in the toughest neighborhood, you know, working-class lunch-pail folks, and you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you'd think that I'd be very strong, and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing."
2012-09-18 07:33:46 PM  
1 votes:

Optimus Composite: Thank God he didn't accuse a large part of the country of being bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him, how do you think we got President McCain? Oh wait..


Touche.

Saying his base is a bunch of evangelical xenophobes is stereotyping as much as saying Obama's base is a bunch of welfare queens. That said, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

It's sad that the party of Eisenhower is now an umbrella for far-right religious nuts.
2012-09-18 06:39:51 PM  
1 votes:

Sofa King Smart: I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...


Jimmy Carter has a soul, moral and ethics... which makes him uncomfortable for Republicans *and* Democrats, sometimes.
2012-09-18 06:28:57 PM  
1 votes:

In the newly released full Mojo/Romney tapes, about 4 minutes in on tape one, Romney starts to talk about what he refers to as "the Jimmy Carter election", i.e., 1980. He then goes on to talk about how the hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission Desert One were pervasive issues through the 1980 election. Then at the end he says that "if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."


He has a couple stopped and started sentences and at some points it's not entirely clear to me what his meaning is. But on this last point he seems to be saying that if a major international crisis erupted he'd do what he could to turn it to political advantage.



Please take a listen. It's about four minutes in, on the 1st of the two videos here. What do you make of it?

2012-09-18 06:27:09 PM  
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: This is the problem when you are a Politician. When you have a $50,000 a plate fundraiser,you tend to try to speak to the crowd that bought your ass for an evening.

Obama did the same thing with his fundraiser...however this is his quote in full context

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." 

Apparently the spin is on...Mitts heading to FOX this afternoon Link


Obama's point, afterwards in that speech, was to reach out to those communities. Obama was saying they're suspicious and they're not getting the lift up and lift-off they need from the folks they keep voting in. Obama wanted to be that lift off and lift up. That's diametrically opposed to Romney's 'fk 'em' message.
2012-09-18 06:26:31 PM  
1 votes:
It's all theater. Obama is supposed to win and the Republitards are supposed to have the next 8.

As longs as it's R's and D's, everyone's happy and nothing changes.
2012-09-18 06:18:19 PM  
1 votes:

Gawdzila: chiefsfaninkc: Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.

Everyone who receives government aid is "enslaved", huh? lol. Right.
The hilarious thing is that, contrary to Romney's belief, a good chunk of that 47% are people who would've voted for him.


And many still will.
2012-09-18 06:16:36 PM  
1 votes:

chiefsfaninkc: Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.


Everyone who receives government aid is "enslaved", huh? lol. Right.
The hilarious thing is that, contrary to Romney's belief, a good chunk of that 47% are people who would've voted for him.
2012-09-18 06:12:50 PM  
1 votes:

Cubicle Jockey: What do you think will happen if you aid the enemy?

A judge-issued warrant for my arrest, legal counsel, a jury of my peers, and lawful punishment, for starters.

Even if you believe that Obama will only assassinate the bad guys, you are setting the precedent that the executive office can kill anyone, anywhere, with merely a "j'accuse!"

Al-awaki may very well have been engaged in illegal behavior, but no evidence has been forthcoming from the administration. The only publically confirmed information has him playing the role of a motivational speaker for assholes, which the Supreme Court has ruled numerous times is protected speech. His designated terrorist status was a "trust us" from the government.

I dont want ANYONE to have that kind of power. FSM help us if a real nutjob ever gains the office.


Like the ones who feel it is their duty to provide the catalyst for their Biblical Armageddon. That alone is bad enough, but what if they succeed in getting their war. What happens when Jesus doesn't show?
2012-09-18 05:49:18 PM  
1 votes:

reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.


So children and the retired are lazy bums?
2012-09-18 05:45:06 PM  
1 votes:

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


Also, Carter's grandkid didn't say really stupid "hey look, im unelectable!" things, Romney did. He just might be the guy who should get the blame for this, cause ... you know, he said that shiat. Its on tape.

When you get on the take-some-responsibility-assclown train, you might as well go all they way up to the "the actual guy that said awful stupid shiat" car, rather than stopping at the "its my fault assface over there got caught" car.
2012-09-18 05:43:54 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes:

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished...



Man...I have got to start paying closer attention to the news. I can't believe I completely missed that! You'd think that a sitting president calling rich people "evil" and advocating for them to be "punished" would be a huge story. You know what? Screw the media. I've got Google. I'm gonna search for those quotes and see for myself.
2012-09-18 05:43:07 PM  
1 votes:
The best presidents are those who know they're one of the people, not above the people.
2012-09-18 05:42:34 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: pxlboy: And now you see exactly how deep his foot went.

There's also the fact that many of the 47 percent are retired or children.


Precisely. The subtext of his statement was clear: poor and minority voters (whom he considers to be one in the same)
2012-09-18 05:39:29 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Thunderpipes: Everything he said is exactly true.

Problem a lot of that 47 percent vote Republican....


And now you see exactly how deep his foot went. This is probably the most honest thing that we have heard from Romney for the entire campaign thus far.
2012-09-18 05:27:08 PM  
1 votes:

bluefox3681: pxlboy: westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?

Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.

Ethical like assassinating US citizens on foreign soil without a trial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-usa-yemen-lawsuit-idUSBR E 86H1BT20120718

But yeah, tax returns are the most important thing in this election.


Was it ethical for Obama to "assassinate" U.S. citizen on foreign soil?By the same yardstick was it ethical of these people to actively aid the sworn enemies of the United States in a foreign land? |

What do you think will happen if you aid the enemy? War is hell.
2012-09-18 05:21:49 PM  
1 votes:

bluefox3681: pxlboy: westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?

Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.

Ethical like assassinating US citizens on foreign soil without a trial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-usa-yemen-lawsuit-idUSBR E 86H1BT20120718

But yeah, tax returns are the most important thing in this election.


Way to change the subject. People find Romney to be insincere and patrician.
2012-09-18 05:18:39 PM  
1 votes:

Headso: SouthParkCon: What? Something bashing a non-Progressive politician and it's not listed with a "Hero" tag?

Fark Progressive Brigade, I am beginning to lose hope in your powers of influence over Drew and his moderators.

Yeah fark is part of the liberal-lamestream-driveby-media-conspiracy. We need more republicans to make those kind of comments and maybe they will change their evil ways.


Anti liberal no longer means conservative these days. Plenty of non-conservatives are tired of this shiat as well.
2012-09-18 05:16:18 PM  
1 votes:
When someone has that large amount of money, I'd imagine that he has an extremely diversified portfolio of investments, and some of that will be funds in offshore accounts. Not sure of the problem of that although I can see an argument saying it's immoral somehow to do what the US Treasury has established as being completely legal. Wouldn't you think that any money he made and placed into an offshore account has already had taxes paid on it before it got put there? From a business sense, wouldn't you place some of your portfolio in a diverse mix of accounts to include bonds, stocks (both US and foreign), foreign currency (take advantage of exchange rate fluctuations), and anything else? Seems to make great sense from a business and finance standpoint. Nothing says being patriotic means you put your investment funds into the least profitable mix of investments. I can see hypocritical in only a small sense. I'm just trying to look at this from a non-emotional, objective standpoint. I'd bet a tremendous amount of his investment portfolio is in US securities, of which we all benefit as that money is capital for businesses which is what keeps our economy chugging. Am I off track a bunch here without getting into like him or hate him dialogue?
2012-09-18 04:53:18 PM  
1 votes:
Tha Carter IV? Hot album, but not as good as Tha Carter III.
2012-09-18 04:52:24 PM  
1 votes:

timujin: Anonymous claims to have gotten copies of his tax returns and are blackmailing him, threatening to release them unless they get $1M. If they don't get it by the 28th, they're supposedly releasing them to the public. I don't put much credence in it, but I guess we'll find out for certain in ten days.


That they are asking only one million is a sure sign it is a hoax. If the returns are as damaging as Romney clearly thinks they are, then one million is way too little to ask. Also a blackmailer would probably make contact though a private channel since a copy of the return would be needed to prove that they really had a copy. Besides if Anonymous really got those returns, their past M.O. would be to release the returns.
2012-09-18 04:45:26 PM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: All kidding aside. But this probably cost Mittens the election. He's going to lose moderates entirely now. I'm wondering how he's going to walk back from this one.


He hasn't lost my father's vote. Whose wife (his household) gets SS disability. One of his daughters (not me) gets SS disability and food stamps for his grandchild. They're reaching Medicare age. But they're the Right™ type of freeloaders, I guess.
2012-09-18 04:40:57 PM  
1 votes:

King Something: timujin: vpb: The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.

Still wondering if anything is going to happen on the 28th...

What happens on the 28th? is that the filing deadline for presidential candidates?


Anonymous claims to have gotten copies of his tax returns and are blackmailing him, threatening to release them unless they get $1M. If they don't get it by the 28th, they're supposedly releasing them to the public. I don't put much credence in it, but I guess we'll find out for certain in ten days.
2012-09-18 04:31:30 PM  
1 votes:
All the discussion just goes to prove Romney's point. If you're polarized for him then you probably agree that the "47%" are "people who don't matter", people who are not entitled to the level of benefits they receive, or perhaps you are one of them and feel guilty about needing to take said benefits. If you are polarized against him then you see this as an insult to the entire working (and non-working) class, whom you identify as "peoplle who matter".

If you are up in the air on this then you are exactly the ten percent or so that he is talking about. If that is you, then go ahead, flip a coin. Because in the end we all get screwed either way.
2012-09-18 04:29:15 PM  
1 votes:

spman: rufus-t-firefly: Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.

I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?

and those 47% will never vote for Romney anyways. This video is just must todo about nothing. He's just saying what we're all thinking.


You think only black people and poor people make up that 47%? Somebody help this guy out.
2012-09-18 04:25:46 PM  
1 votes:
Someone point out where romney said anything that's wrong.

/not a Romney voter
//not an Obama voter
///Does not submit to groupthink from either side
2012-09-18 04:20:01 PM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: All kidding aside. But this probably cost Mittens the election. He's going to lose moderates entirely now. I'm wondering how he's going to walk back from this one.


Hell this ain't even the worst thing on the tape. Here's what he said about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which sounded, at least to me , like an epic failure of leadership

And I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes, committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel, and these thorny issues, and I say, "There's just no way." And so what you do is you say, "You move things along the best way you can." You hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize that this is going to remain an unsolved problem. We live with that in China and Taiwan. All right, we have a potentially volatile situation but we sort of live with it, and we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve it. We don't go to war to try and resolve it imminently.

2012-09-18 04:18:24 PM  
1 votes:

mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?


It says they don't want average people at their event. Remember under Bush II when liberals embraced the "elite" monicker?
2012-09-18 04:16:58 PM  
1 votes:

DjangoStonereaver: I guess the [img1.fark.net image 54x11] tag couldn't afford the per plate
fee.


I know I'll definitely be raising a glass to James Carter IV later tonight. :)

/all the Rmoney in the world can't buy Mittens an ounce of concern for the middle class and the poor.

Link
2012-09-18 04:16:57 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.


I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?
2012-09-18 04:15:03 PM  
1 votes:

mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?


cache.ohinternet.com
2012-09-18 04:11:15 PM  
1 votes:

pedobearapproved: vpb: The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.

he's rich, you're jealous, we get it.


Obama's winning, you're grumpy, we get it.
2012-09-18 04:10:13 PM  
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: "I dont like criticism of my family," James Carter IV tells NBC News."

I like this kid. A lot. I always wondered why more politicians kids don't come out like this. Hell, I get irritated when people tell lies about Obama and I don't even know him. Imagining they are talking about my father would send me over the edge.


So do you feel the same outrage when people lie about members of the other party? Or is you outrage one sided?
2012-09-18 04:05:38 PM  
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iamdonovan: Or perhaps more importantly, many of these people that pay no income tax are doing so because of policies (tax credits, tax cuts, etc.) that were largely supported or enacted by the party that now bashes them for taking advantage of said policies.


What we are seeing is the cumulative effect of a century or so of tax policies by both parties.
2012-09-18 04:04:15 PM  
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iamdonovan: Or perhaps more importantly, many of these people that pay no income tax are doing so because of policies (tax credits, tax cuts, etc.) that were largely supported or enacted by the party that now bashes them for taking advantage of said policies.


To be fair, the republican party today is so wildly divergent from the party that passed those rules that it may as well not even continue to use the name.
2012-09-18 04:00:56 PM  
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Vegan Meat Popsicle: Entitled: People making near, at or below poverty income who have little or no tax liability and virtually no income beyond what is required for the basic necessities of life.

Not entitled: People born into wealth, sent through expensive preparatory schools and shipped off to college with $100,000 in their pocket in cash who now want to cut the safety net out from under the "entitled" people so they can cut their own taxes and have an extra million dollars in expendable income.

/ that's probably a sustainable economic policy... yea... right
// maybe the asshole who won't release his own tax returns shouldn't be so critical of anybody else's?


Or perhaps more importantly, many of these people that pay no income tax are doing so because of policies (tax credits, tax cuts, etc.) that were largely supported or enacted by the party that now bashes them for taking advantage of said policies.
2012-09-18 04:00:01 PM  
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dletter: "20k a year"

20? Throw in some kids and you could get to 50 without even getting creative with your taxes.
A family of four taking bog-standard deductions could earn 45k and still not pay Federal income tax.

http://squashed.tumblr.com/post/31757816989/mitt-romney-thinks-you-ne e d-to-take-responsibility-for
IP
2012-09-18 03:54:56 PM  
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Oh sweet, sweet irony. Magnificent.
2012-09-18 03:53:07 PM  
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Darth_Lukecash: This is the problem when you are a Politician. When you have a $50,000 a plate fundraiser,you tend to try to speak to the crowd that bought your ass for an evening.

Obama did the same thing with his fundraiser...however this is his quote in full context

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." 

Apparently the spin is on...Mitts heading to FOX this afternoon Link



And to put that Obama quote in even more context, he was talking about the difficulty for supporters to go door to door in those towns and deliver his message of inclusiveness. It was a bad soundbite in an otherwise noble speech.

Romney's just an asshole who dismisses half the country. "My job is not to worry about those people."
2012-09-18 03:48:38 PM  
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BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.




It is personally Jimmy Carter's fault that Mitt Romney said those things!
2012-09-18 03:43:47 PM  
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WTF Indeed: Video of that fundraiser has been out for a month. This was 50k worth opposition research.


Actually, it was Boobiesed on Youtube back in May, but remained largely forgotten until now. Much like the videos of Obama's preacher, the media can pick strange times to latch onto stuff like this.
2012-09-18 03:43:35 PM  
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Mitt Romirony, pissed about "entitled" people who don't pay taxes.
 
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