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2012-09-18 05:45:51 PM

I Browse: Thunderpipes:

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished...


Man...I have got to start paying closer attention to the news. I can't believe I completely missed that! You'd think that a sitting president calling rich people "evil" and advocating for them to be "punished" would be a huge story. You know what? Screw the media. I've got Google. I'm gonna search for those quotes and see for myself.


This. There seems to be conflation in the minds of the right of 'wealth envy' and basic disgust at the patrician attitude of folks like Romney.
 
2012-09-18 05:47:03 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: bluefox3681: pxlboy: westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?

Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.

Ethical like assassinating US citizens on foreign soil without a trial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-usa-yemen-lawsuit-idUSBR E 86H1BT20120718

But yeah, tax returns are the most important thing in this election.

Yes, Obama is a mass murderer. Not sure why you, as an evident Romy supporter, would bring it up seeing as one of Romney's campaign planks seems to be that the mass murder just isn't quite mass enough.


Considering that Romney and his brain trust would be beating the war drums for Iran, you make a good point.
 
2012-09-18 05:49:18 PM

reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.


So children and the retired are lazy bums?
 
2012-09-18 05:50:02 PM

WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?


Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.
 
2012-09-18 05:57:39 PM

westfalc: When someone has that large amount of money, I'd imagine that he has an extremely diversified portfolio of investments, and some of that will be funds in offshore accounts. Not sure of the problem of that although I can see an argument saying it's immoral somehow to do what the US Treasury has established as being completely legal. Wouldn't you think that any money he made and placed into an offshore account has already had taxes paid on it before it got put there? From a business sense, wouldn't you place some of your portfolio in a diverse mix of accounts to include bonds, stocks (both US and foreign), foreign currency (take advantage of exchange rate fluctuations), and anything else? Seems to make great sense from a business and finance standpoint. Nothing says being patriotic means you put your investment funds into the least profitable mix of investments. I can see hypocritical in only a small sense. I'm just trying to look at this from a non-emotional, objective standpoint. I'd bet a tremendous amount of his investment portfolio is in US securities, of which we all benefit as that money is capital for businesses which is what keeps our economy chugging. Am I off track a bunch here without getting into like him or hate him dialogue?


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven

"The Economist has tentatively adopted the description by Geoffrey Colin Powell (former economic adviser to Jersey): "What ... identifies an area as a tax haven is the existence of a composite tax structure established deliberately to take advantage of, and exploit, a worldwide demand for opportunities to engage in tax avoidance." [emphasis added]

As someone else has already said, it's not illegal. But lower- and midde-class voters can get kinda pissy when the rich people who want us to vote for them are using legal loopholes and special privileges that aren't available to us to reduce their tax burden.

Romney has a lot of money. I'm pretty sure he got it legally, so I'm okay with it. He has enough that he doesn't have to work anymore and can live off the capital gains. I'm okay with that, too. Capital gains are taxed at a much lower rate than income working-class people get from, um, working. Okay, I'm a little jealous about that, but I know that there are reasons for that, such as it encourages re-investment, which in turn should benefit the US economy. So, once again, I'm okay with it.

But when rich, US citizens use foreign tax havens to reduce their US taxes below the capital gains rate, that's when lower- and middle-class voters get to see how rigged the game is.

And that's what people are expecting to see more of, if Romney releases more than one tax return. 

tl;dr -- WHAR 1040 WHAR? :-)
 
2012-09-18 06:00:56 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: westfalc: When someone has that large amount of money, I'd imagine that he has an extremely diversified portfolio of investments, and some of that will be funds in offshore accounts. Not sure of the problem of that although I can see an argument saying it's immoral somehow to do what the US Treasury has established as being completely legal. Wouldn't you think that any money he made and placed into an offshore account has already had taxes paid on it before it got put there? From a business sense, wouldn't you place some of your portfolio in a diverse mix of accounts to include bonds, stocks (both US and foreign), foreign currency (take advantage of exchange rate fluctuations), and anything else? Seems to make great sense from a business and finance standpoint. Nothing says being patriotic means you put your investment funds into the least profitable mix of investments. I can see hypocritical in only a small sense. I'm just trying to look at this from a non-emotional, objective standpoint. I'd bet a tremendous amount of his investment portfolio is in US securities, of which we all benefit as that money is capital for businesses which is what keeps our economy chugging. Am I off track a bunch here without getting into like him or hate him dialogue?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven

"The Economist has tentatively adopted the description by Geoffrey Colin Powell (former economic adviser to Jersey): "What ... identifies an area as a tax haven is the existence of a composite tax structure established deliberately to take advantage of, and exploit, a worldwide demand for opportunities to engage in tax avoidance." [emphasis added]

As someone else has already said, it's not illegal. But lower- and midde-class voters can get kinda pissy when the rich people who want us to vote for them are using legal loopholes and special privileges that aren't available to us to reduce their tax burden.

Romney has a lot of money. I'm pretty sure he got it legally, so ...


A very illuminating post.

another tl;dr: don't hate the player, hate the game
 
2012-09-18 06:05:28 PM

reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.


But you're aware that this isn't one of those times, since it's a demonstrable fact that a good portion of those 47% are groups of people that are predominantly GOP voters?
 
2012-09-18 06:09:29 PM
What do you think will happen if you aid the enemy?

A judge-issued warrant for my arrest, legal counsel, a jury of my peers, and lawful punishment, for starters.

Even if you believe that Obama will only assassinate the bad guys, you are setting the precedent that the executive office can kill anyone, anywhere, with merely a "j'accuse!"

Al-awaki may very well have been engaged in illegal behavior, but no evidence has been forthcoming from the administration. The only publically confirmed information has him playing the role of a motivational speaker for assholes, which the Supreme Court has ruled numerous times is protected speech. His designated terrorist status was a "trust us" from the government.

I dont want ANYONE to have that kind of power. FSM help us if a real nutjob ever gains the office.
 
2012-09-18 06:12:50 PM

Cubicle Jockey: What do you think will happen if you aid the enemy?

A judge-issued warrant for my arrest, legal counsel, a jury of my peers, and lawful punishment, for starters.

Even if you believe that Obama will only assassinate the bad guys, you are setting the precedent that the executive office can kill anyone, anywhere, with merely a "j'accuse!"

Al-awaki may very well have been engaged in illegal behavior, but no evidence has been forthcoming from the administration. The only publically confirmed information has him playing the role of a motivational speaker for assholes, which the Supreme Court has ruled numerous times is protected speech. His designated terrorist status was a "trust us" from the government.

I dont want ANYONE to have that kind of power. FSM help us if a real nutjob ever gains the office.


Like the ones who feel it is their duty to provide the catalyst for their Biblical Armageddon. That alone is bad enough, but what if they succeed in getting their war. What happens when Jesus doesn't show?
 
2012-09-18 06:15:44 PM
If you don't pay taxes, why would you want to vote?

Oh, to get free stuff.

Is this where I get to rail about some of the members of my family, that are too damned lazy to steal?

/'cause I has some.

//why does this buffoon sound more like presdential material than the other buffoon?
 
2012-09-18 06:16:31 PM

pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.


Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.
 
2012-09-18 06:16:36 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.


Everyone who receives government aid is "enslaved", huh? lol. Right.
The hilarious thing is that, contrary to Romney's belief, a good chunk of that 47% are people who would've voted for him.
 
2012-09-18 06:18:19 PM

Gawdzila: chiefsfaninkc: Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.

Everyone who receives government aid is "enslaved", huh? lol. Right.
The hilarious thing is that, contrary to Romney's belief, a good chunk of that 47% are people who would've voted for him.


And many still will.
 
2012-09-18 06:20:40 PM

reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.


So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.
 
2012-09-18 06:26:31 PM
It's all theater. Obama is supposed to win and the Republitards are supposed to have the next 8.

As longs as it's R's and D's, everyone's happy and nothing changes.
 
2012-09-18 06:27:09 PM

Darth_Lukecash: This is the problem when you are a Politician. When you have a $50,000 a plate fundraiser,you tend to try to speak to the crowd that bought your ass for an evening.

Obama did the same thing with his fundraiser...however this is his quote in full context

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." 

Apparently the spin is on...Mitts heading to FOX this afternoon Link


Obama's point, afterwards in that speech, was to reach out to those communities. Obama was saying they're suspicious and they're not getting the lift up and lift-off they need from the folks they keep voting in. Obama wanted to be that lift off and lift up. That's diametrically opposed to Romney's 'fk 'em' message.
 
2012-09-18 06:28:57 PM

In the newly released full Mojo/Romney tapes, about 4 minutes in on tape one, Romney starts to talk about what he refers to as "the Jimmy Carter election", i.e., 1980. He then goes on to talk about how the hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission Desert One were pervasive issues through the 1980 election. Then at the end he says that "if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."


He has a couple stopped and started sentences and at some points it's not entirely clear to me what his meaning is. But on this last point he seems to be saying that if a major international crisis erupted he'd do what he could to turn it to political advantage.



Please take a listen. It's about four minutes in, on the 1st of the two videos here. What do you make of it?

 
2012-09-18 06:30:59 PM

Slam1263: If you don't pay taxes, why would you want to vote?

Oh, to get free stuff


Truly you possess a staggering intellect.
 
2012-09-18 06:31:58 PM

Nick Nostril: It's all theater. Obama is supposed to win and the Republitards are supposed to have the next 8.

As longs as it's R's and D's, everyone's happy and nothing changes.


I wish i were as smart as you.
 
2012-09-18 06:33:59 PM

HotWingConspiracy: More like Jimmy Farter, right guys?


Uh oh, James Carter IV is going to hate you now.
 
2012-09-18 06:36:44 PM

Deucednuisance: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

But you're aware that this isn't one of those times, since it's a demonstrable fact that a good portion of those 47% are groups of people that are predominantly GOP voters?


I won't try to defend the 47% figure because it's impossible to quantify. But I do believe that there is some percentage of Americans who will vote for the president no matter what, and I believe that there is some percentage of Americans who are dependent upon the government who believe that they are victims, and I believe that there is some percentage of Americans who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, and I believe that there is some percentage of Americans who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food and to housing - after all, they are currently receiving these things from the government. And I believe that people who are on the receiving end of the government's largesse will vote, if they vote at all, for President Obama because he supports programs and policies that continue entitlements. By and large Democrats support entitlements, and by and large Republicans don't. I don't see any point in pretending that reality doesn't exist. As far as I am concerned, Mr. Romney has stated several truths and acknowledged a reality and I admire him for speaking his mind.

So shout me down, criticize me, belittle me, attribute ridiculous conclusions to my statements, call me names - but whatever you do, DO NOT acknowledge that there is any validity to what Mr. Romney said. That, my friends, is a slippery slope . . .
 
2012-09-18 06:39:51 PM

Sofa King Smart: I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...


Jimmy Carter has a soul, moral and ethics... which makes him uncomfortable for Republicans *and* Democrats, sometimes.
 
2012-09-18 06:41:17 PM
My best guess is Romney took the amnesty deal given to people who participated in the UBS tax evasion scheme that got busted

So no conviction but pretty much admission he was a tax cheat if his returns were released
 
2012-09-18 06:42:29 PM

rufus-t-firefly: One side of the GOP's mouth screams "CUT TAXES!"

The other side shouts "HEY! WHY AREN'T THOSE PEOPLE PAYING TAXES?"


... you know, that's a good observation I haven't seen yet.
how is that explained?
 
2012-09-18 06:45:46 PM

pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.

So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.


Serious question: can you explain exactly what you are referring to?

/And maybe refrain from name-calling 
//Gotta help my kid with his homework. I'll be back for the explanation
 
2012-09-18 06:47:53 PM

pacified: Nick Nostril: It's all theater. Obama is supposed to win and the Republitards are supposed to have the next 8.

As longs as it's R's and D's, everyone's happy and nothing changes.

I wish i were as smart as you.


Meh, believe what you want. Won't change anything.
 
2012-09-18 06:48:04 PM

westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?


The innocence of this post makes me smile. These folks don't file a 1040EZ. They employ CPAs and tax attorneys and structure their investments at and past the complicated and arcane regs. The end result is a mockery of what is intended in raising revenue based on the level of income involved. When challenged they litigate in tax court and overwhelm the government's tax collecting system. Not to mention the bribes paid to congress to carve out special exceptions for their mendacity
 
2012-09-18 06:49:43 PM
Still waiting for the media or FARK to post Yomama's "I believe in redistribution.." video. Nope, no bias here or in the media. Move along citizen.

No Media Bias Link Right Here
 
2012-09-18 06:53:41 PM

WhyteRaven74: Mouser: How exactly is this a controversial statement?

The claim of dependence on the government, seeing themselves as victims etc.


Is Mouser for real?
 
2012-09-18 06:57:20 PM

Hobodeluxe: In the newly released full Mojo/Romney tapes, about 4 minutes in on tape one, Romney starts to talk about what he refers to as "the Jimmy Carter election", i.e., 1980. He then goes on to talk about how the hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission Desert One were pervasive issues through the 1980 election. Then at the end he says that "if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."
He has a couple stopped and started sentences and at some points it's not entirely clear to me what his meaning is. But on this last point he seems to be saying that if a major international crisis erupted he'd do what he could to turn it to political advantage.

Please take a listen. It's about four minutes in, on the 1st of the two videos here. What do you make of it?


Business as usual, 'inelegantly' stated.
 
2012-09-18 07:05:27 PM

reubendaley: "Well there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what, alright? There are 47% percent who are with him who are dependent upon government who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement, and that government should give to them and they will vote for this president no matter what."

The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.


Or, as in this case, the vociferousness reflects the callousness of Romney's words.
 
2012-09-18 07:13:39 PM
Heh, in between the comments in this thread there's morsels of "this was made up!" and "I don't see Obama's statement of X! Media Bias!".
 
2012-09-18 07:17:44 PM

Hobodeluxe: In the newly released full Mojo/Romney tapes, about 4 minutes in on tape one, Romney starts to talk about what he refers to as "the Jimmy Carter election", i.e., 1980. He then goes on to talk about how the hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission Desert One were pervasive issues through the 1980 election. Then at the end he says that "if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."
He has a couple stopped and started sentences and at some points it's not entirely clear to me what his meaning is. But on this last point he seems to be saying that if a major international crisis erupted he'd do what he could to turn it to political advantage.

Please take a listen. It's about four minutes in, on the 1st of the two videos here. What do you make of it?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-18 07:22:19 PM
Thank God he didn't accuse a large part of the country of being bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him, how do you think we got President McCain? Oh wait..
 
2012-09-18 07:24:40 PM
People should know that the video was probably recorded not by a guest, but by one of the waitstaff.
 
2012-09-18 07:30:20 PM

reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.

So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.

Serious question: can you explain exactly what you are referring to?

/And maybe refrain from name-calling 
//Gotta help my kid with his homework. I'll be back for the explanation


It came up earlier in the election, but the ones talking about it washed out of the election: notably Gingrich.

Political Animal - Gingrich, GOP target child-labor laws
 
2012-09-18 07:33:46 PM

Optimus Composite: Thank God he didn't accuse a large part of the country of being bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him, how do you think we got President McCain? Oh wait..


Touche.

Saying his base is a bunch of evangelical xenophobes is stereotyping as much as saying Obama's base is a bunch of welfare queens. That said, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

It's sad that the party of Eisenhower is now an umbrella for far-right religious nuts.
 
2012-09-18 07:38:17 PM

Optimus Composite: Thank God he didn't accuse a large part of the country of being bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him, how do you think we got President McCain? Oh wait..




"But the truth is that our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's no evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, Ohio-like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years, and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration and the Bush administration. And each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate. And they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, and they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or, you know, anti-trade sentiment [as] a way to explain their frustrations.

"Now, these are in some communities. You know, I think what you'll find is that people of every background-there are going to be a mix of people. You can go in the toughest neighborhood, you know, working-class lunch-pail folks, and you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you'd think that I'd be very strong, and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing."
 
2012-09-18 07:39:32 PM
It was Jimmy Carter's grandson who convinced the person who had the Romney Unplugged video to send it to Mother Jones

That's fitting... LOL
 
2012-09-18 07:41:00 PM

Slesfo: People should know that the video was probably recorded not by a guest, but by one of the waitstaff.


"The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they're not having a good year. "
 
2012-09-18 07:47:20 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Slesfo: People should know that the video was probably recorded not by a guest, but by one of the waitstaff.

"The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they're not having a good year. "


Doesn't matter who recorded it.
Whatever it takes to out a true blue sociopath, so be it.
This farker is flying a false flag and claiming it is God.

/Jebus would approve
 
2012-09-18 07:47:21 PM

reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.


I'm not sure who the truth hurts except the Romney campaign. His statement is likely factual, or very close to it-- but that 47% he mentions consists primarily of children, the retired, and stay-at-home parents. It's sort of obvious that these people don't pay taxes.

Traditional one-breadwinner families and the elderly-- groups the republican party has traditionally had no trouble speaking to-- are treated in this speech as if they are somehow deadbeats sucking at the government teat.
 
2012-09-18 07:50:12 PM
Romney is right. We're now at the point where over 47 percent of the people in this county --- over 47 percemt of people who are old enough to be in the U.S. workforce --- pay no income taxes at all. Actually, it's worse than that. Not only do they not pay taxes, they consume a good portion of the taxes paid by the other 52+ percent. These people are on the government teat .. and for all-too-many of them, that's exactly where they want to stay.

In America, one-half of the population is living off the other half. Almost one-half of Americans support and maintain their lifestyles by using the federal government as an instrument of plunder. And why not? Politicians - liberal politicians - make it easy for them. Their president - their hero - their savior - Barack Obama -- says that it is government spending that made America great! Well fine! Then let's make America even greater! Spend more money on ME! These moochers rather like the life of living off of the work of others and they will vote for Obama -- if they vote at all. Voting, after all, requires effort. He's the man who will protect their parasitic lifestyle.
 
2012-09-18 07:53:01 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: rufus-t-firefly: One side of the GOP's mouth screams "CUT TAXES!"

The other side shouts "HEY! WHY AREN'T THOSE PEOPLE PAYING TAXES?"

... you know, that's a good observation I haven't seen yet.
how is that explained?


What particular "taxes" did you have in mind?
Sales Taxes?
Property Taxes?
Need we really go on?
I pay taxes besides Income, just standing still, occupying space and breathing.
All these things I feel "entitled to".
 
2012-09-18 07:55:16 PM

westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?


Just speculation, but if he took advantage of the Swiss Bank Account Amnesty Program in 2009, it might be a tough sell...
 
2012-09-18 08:01:29 PM

Thunderpipes: Romney was spot on. Everything he said is exactly true. He should have campaigned on that. He is never, ever going to get an Obama voter to switch. But there are pissed off independents who have to pay taxes who don't care for welfare bums too.

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished... Romney should campaign that poor people are lazy and need to get off their asses.


Wealth is increasingly concentrated in fewer people. Suppose you end up with the majority being poor (not a stretch if it's already at 47%)? How do you win an election? Maybe you need to take away one person, one vote and make it like a stockholder vote, where to vote you have to buy shares in America and your vote counts by number of shares you own. That'll make sure the rich call all the shots forever.
 
2012-09-18 08:03:45 PM

Nem Wan: Thunderpipes: Romney was spot on. Everything he said is exactly true. He should have campaigned on that. He is never, ever going to get an Obama voter to switch. But there are pissed off independents who have to pay taxes who don't care for welfare bums too.

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished... Romney should campaign that poor people are lazy and need to get off their asses.

Wealth is increasingly concentrated in fewer people. Suppose you end up with the majority being poor (not a stretch if it's already at 47%)? How do you win an election? Maybe you need to take away one person, one vote and make it like a stockholder vote, where to vote you have to buy shares in America and your vote counts by number of shares you own. That'll make sure the rich call all the shots forever.


Implying that our elected "representatives" weren't already bought and sold.
 
2012-09-18 08:10:29 PM
It's okay to eat the 47 percent, 'cause they, don't have any feeeeeeeeeelings...
 
2012-09-18 08:19:49 PM
They unplugged the Romneybot? Did the Bush campaign loan them Bush's debate battery back-pack so he could go cordless?

And to think Republicans have the effrontery to howl about teleprompters. As if Reagan didn't use one to sing in the shower. Bush Sr. couldn't read or else he migh have been able to complete a sentence.
 
2012-09-18 08:22:27 PM

pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.

So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.

Serious question: can you explain exactly what you are referring to?

/And maybe refrain from name-calling 
//Gotta help my kid with his homework. I'll be back for the explanation

It came up earlier in the election, but the ones talking about it washed out of the election: notably Gingrich.

Political Animal - Gingrich, GOP target child-labor laws


O.K. I read that. And obviously I don't think it says what you think it says.

I don't see how you can attribute that effort to Romney, but is having children work so evil? I don't think these gentlemen were advocating forced labor but rather an opportunity to earn. Is it so awful to think about inspiring a work ethic in our children, or should we let them believe that whatever they need in life will be handed to them? Don't worry - it's a rhetorical question.

How about working up some rage for real child exploitation like that which occurs in the countries where our manufacturers have fled? Who do you think made the rug you wipe your feet on, or picked the coffee beans that made your morning brew? Who went down into the mine and plucked the diamond on your wife's finger? Or assembled your smart phone, or labored to create the clothing you are wearing?

Am I being trolled or do you really believe the extremist position you've taken?
 
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