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2012-09-18 12:18:43 PM  
History's greatest monster strikes again.
 
2012-09-18 12:22:55 PM  
I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes. Of course, cutting their income to $20k a year doesn't sound very appealing to them.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-18 12:25:33 PM  
The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.
 
2012-09-18 12:27:23 PM  
Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.
 
2012-09-18 12:29:15 PM  
OK. Fine. Just RTFA. I guess Romney's 50K a plate donor doesn't want to be exposed as taking the video.

(but, really? Is it that difficult to find out where the camera was located and what table it was at?)
 
2012-09-18 12:34:50 PM  
Say what you want, but Romney's covers of "Plateau," "Where Did You Sleep Last Night?" and "Something in the Way" were EPIC.
 
2012-09-18 12:36:50 PM  
Video of that fundraiser has been out for a month. This was 50k worth opposition research.
 
2012-09-18 12:37:02 PM  
I guess the img1.fark.net tag couldn't afford the per plate
fee.
 
2012-09-18 12:43:06 PM  
The source who shot the video told NBC News that it documented a May 17, $50,000-a-plate fundraiser at the home of private equity titan Marc Leder in Boca Raton, Fla.

If the Democrats were smart, they would have had their own macaca at the dinner. That $50,000 admission fee was worth 1,000 times that in advertising.
 
2012-09-18 12:47:31 PM  
New Virginia poll, Washington Post - Obama +8, 52-44

Awwww.
 
2012-09-18 12:50:28 PM  
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-ter!
 
2012-09-18 12:51:41 PM  

Makh: CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-ter!


Whoops, spent too much time in Massachusetts.
 
2012-09-18 12:59:04 PM  
I swear this whole video thing was on Fark weeks ago, don't remember if it was greenlit. Anybody else? Why is this hitting now, instead of back then?
 
2012-09-18 01:05:28 PM  

Earguy: I swear this whole video thing was on Fark weeks ago, don't remember if it was greenlit. Anybody else? Why is this hitting now, instead of back then?


It wasn't adequately sourced for the press until Carter found the poster and hooked them up with MJ and HuffPo.

/yes, some journalists have some standards
 
2012-09-18 01:25:54 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Earguy: I swear this whole video thing was on Fark weeks ago, don't remember if it was greenlit. Anybody else? Why is this hitting now, instead of back then?

It wasn't adequately sourced for the press until Carter found the poster and hooked them up with MJ and HuffPo.

/yes, some journalists have some standards


Did they think it was CGI or something?
 
2012-09-18 01:27:37 PM  
FTFA: Carter, 35, described himself as a "partisan Democrat" and said he is currently unemployed

No way!
 
2012-09-18 01:34:11 PM  

impaler: Did they think it was CGI or something?


There's evidence of at least one computer program that can do Mitt Romney's voice. Stands to reason another could be created.
 
2012-09-18 01:48:32 PM  

vpb: The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.


Still wondering if anything is going to happen on the 28th...
 
2012-09-18 02:23:32 PM  

impaler: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Earguy: I swear this whole video thing was on Fark weeks ago, don't remember if it was greenlit. Anybody else? Why is this hitting now, instead of back then?

It wasn't adequately sourced for the press until Carter found the poster and hooked them up with MJ and HuffPo.

/yes, some journalists have some standards

Did they think it was CGI or something?


Without a date and location and a source you open the door for all kinds of allegations, dubbing, editing, etc. "impaler" can't really be cited; the journalist has no idea who you are. Once he verifies you're a wealthy Republican and were at least likely to be at the fundraiser or have some other bona fides he can have more faith in your video.
 
2012-09-18 02:30:19 PM  
Another interesting Romney video is coming out today, check out vice.com's youtube channel... it's about his family who still lives in Mexico and they are currently at war with narco terrorists.
 
2012-09-18 02:32:28 PM  

dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes income tax.


Minor, but important correction.
 
2012-09-18 02:35:56 PM  

Lumpmoose: The source who shot the video told NBC News that it documented a May 17, $50,000-a-plate fundraiser at the home of private equity titan Marc Leder in Boca Raton, Fla.

If the Democrats were smart, they would have had their own macaca at the dinner. That $50,000 admission fee was worth 1,000 times that in advertising.


Odds are, this mole is (or was) at least a moderately-big contributor to the Republican party. Maybe not. But, you'd think all those super-rich people milling about and meeting Romney would at least have an idea who you are. If you're an unfamiliar face and a potential plant, they might pick up on that.
 
2012-09-18 02:48:49 PM  

ShawnDoc: dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes income tax.

Minor, but important correction.


True... good point. Obviously, there are a myriad of other taxes they are already paying. And any "help" they get is really to offset the fact that they are still paying those other taxes....

IMO, someone making 20k a year.... I am fine with their net tax overall being zeroed out, especially if they have dependents.
 
2012-09-18 02:50:03 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


The original guy that made the video is clearly pissed off. He paid $50,000 to buy some influence and all he got was a turd sandwich. You can't ask for that kind of money and then be a loser.

Guy figures if he's not getting his money's worth he might as well have some fun.
 
2012-09-18 02:50:33 PM  
This is the problem when you are a Politician. When you have a $50,000 a plate fundraiser,you tend to try to speak to the crowd that bought your ass for an evening.

Obama did the same thing with his fundraiser...however this is his quote in full context

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
 

Apparently the spin is on...Mitts heading to FOX this afternoon Link
 
2012-09-18 03:10:52 PM  
I predict the spin will be "Carter's treasonous kid was upset that his Dad was going to lose his title of Worst President Ever to N0bongo, so he had to double-down on his treason and release these lies about Romney!" ("lies" being what happens when Republicans are accurately quoted, of course)
 
2012-09-18 03:14:47 PM  

timujin: vpb: The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.

Still wondering if anything is going to happen on the 28th...


What happens on the 28th? is that the filing deadline for presidential candidates?
 
2012-09-18 03:21:16 PM  

Headso: Another interesting Romney video is coming out today, check out vice.com's youtube channel... it's about his family who still lives in Mexico and they are currently at war with narco terrorists.


Fark man. I have family in Mexico and they are at war with narcoterrorists.
 
2012-09-18 03:42:40 PM  

Sybarite: History's greatest monster strikes again.


They said Carter not Reagan dumb ass.
 
2012-09-18 03:43:35 PM  
Mitt Romirony, pissed about "entitled" people who don't pay taxes.
 
2012-09-18 03:43:46 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Sybarite: History's greatest monster strikes again.

They said Carter not Reagan dumb ass.


it's a Simpsons joke
 
2012-09-18 03:43:47 PM  
I have narcoterrorist family in Mexico and I'm tired of them getting dragged through the mud.
 
2012-09-18 03:43:47 PM  

WTF Indeed: Video of that fundraiser has been out for a month. This was 50k worth opposition research.


Actually, it was Boobiesed on Youtube back in May, but remained largely forgotten until now. Much like the videos of Obama's preacher, the media can pick strange times to latch onto stuff like this.
 
2012-09-18 03:45:13 PM  

Lumpmoose: The source who shot the video told NBC News that it documented a May 17, $50,000-a-plate fundraiser at the home of private equity titan Marc Leder in Boca Raton, Fla.

If the Democrats were smart, they would have had their own macaca at the dinner. That $50,000 admission fee was worth 1,000 times that in advertising.


Apparently that's illegal, largely because if you hire someone to attend the dinner and then re-imburse them for expenses you've essentially become a shadow donor funnelling money to the campaign through a straw donor, which is a big no-no, or at least it was pre-Citizen's United, Now I'm not so sure anymore
 
2012-09-18 03:48:00 PM  

Magorn: Lumpmoose: The source who shot the video told NBC News that it documented a May 17, $50,000-a-plate fundraiser at the home of private equity titan Marc Leder in Boca Raton, Fla.

If the Democrats were smart, they would have had their own macaca at the dinner. That $50,000 admission fee was worth 1,000 times that in advertising.

Apparently that's illegal, largely because if you hire someone to attend the dinner and then re-imburse them for expenses you've essentially become a shadow donor funnelling money to the campaign through a straw donor, which is a big no-no, or at least it was pre-Citizen's United, Now I'm not so sure anymore


Still is a no-no. The solution is just don't reimburse the person. You want it to be someone who will fit in with the crowd, anyways, so it needs to be someone that can afford to toss away 50 grand
 
2012-09-18 03:48:22 PM  

robsul82: Say what you want, but Romney's covers of "Plateau," "Where Did You Sleep Last Night?" and "Something in the Way" were EPIC.

His cover of "Lake of Fire" was meh tho.
 
2012-09-18 03:48:22 PM  

ITGreen: I have narcoterrorist family in Mexico and I'm tired of them getting dragged through the mud.


I'm a Mexican living in Mexico, so there.
 
2012-09-18 03:48:38 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.




It is personally Jimmy Carter's fault that Mitt Romney said those things!
 
2012-09-18 03:49:02 PM  

Bfett20: robsul82: Say what you want, but Romney's covers of "Plateau," "Where Did You Sleep Last Night?" and "Something in the Way" were EPIC.
His cover of "Lake of Fire" was meh tho.


I'd like to see him sing "Here's to you, Nicola and Bart".
 
2012-09-18 03:49:08 PM  
Muhahahahhahahahahahaha.
 
2012-09-18 03:49:50 PM  

Goodfella: BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.



It is personally Jimmy Carter's fault that Mitt Romney said those things!


No, it was Billy and Billy was drunk. So no harm.
 
2012-09-18 03:50:20 PM  
More like Jimmy Farter, right guys?
 
2012-09-18 03:50:31 PM  
I am waiting on this quote from Romney, "What is this so called 'inter-net?...and why does it keep getting me in trouble?"
 
2012-09-18 03:50:39 PM  
Entitled: People making near, at or below poverty income who have little or no tax liability and virtually no income beyond what is required for the basic necessities of life.

Not entitled: People born into wealth, sent through expensive preparatory schools and shipped off to college with $100,000 in their pocket in cash who now want to cut the safety net out from under the "entitled" people so they can cut their own taxes and have an extra million dollars in expendable income.

/ that's probably a sustainable economic policy... yea... right
// maybe the asshole who won't release his own tax returns shouldn't be so critical of anybody else's?
 
2012-09-18 03:51:31 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: impaler: Did they think it was CGI or something?

There's evidence of at least one computer program that can do Mitt Romney's voice. Stands to reason another could be created.




I see what was done there by you.
 
2012-09-18 03:53:07 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: This is the problem when you are a Politician. When you have a $50,000 a plate fundraiser,you tend to try to speak to the crowd that bought your ass for an evening.

Obama did the same thing with his fundraiser...however this is his quote in full context

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." 

Apparently the spin is on...Mitts heading to FOX this afternoon Link



And to put that Obama quote in even more context, he was talking about the difficulty for supporters to go door to door in those towns and deliver his message of inclusiveness. It was a bad soundbite in an otherwise noble speech.

Romney's just an asshole who dismisses half the country. "My job is not to worry about those people."
 
2012-09-18 03:53:18 PM  
Therefore Paul Ryan is now President, we have to send all the hostages back to Iran, and everyone has to go see Argo on opening weekend.
 
2012-09-18 03:54:05 PM  
Jeb Bush could have taken a few pointers from this dude.
 
IP
2012-09-18 03:54:56 PM  
Oh sweet, sweet irony. Magnificent.
 
2012-09-18 03:56:09 PM  

xanadian: Lumpmoose: The source who shot the video told NBC News that it documented a May 17, $50,000-a-plate fundraiser at the home of private equity titan Marc Leder in Boca Raton, Fla.

If the Democrats were smart, they would have had their own macaca at the dinner. That $50,000 admission fee was worth 1,000 times that in advertising.

Odds are, this mole is (or was) at least a moderately-big contributor to the Republican party. Maybe not. But, you'd think all those super-rich people milling about and meeting Romney would at least have an idea who you are. If you're an unfamiliar face and a potential plant, they might pick up on that.


They're too interested in being in their ivory tower to care. :)
 
2012-09-18 03:57:35 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Entitled: People making near, at or below poverty income who have little or no tax liability and virtually no income beyond what is required for the basic necessities of life.

Not entitled: People born into wealth, sent through expensive preparatory schools and shipped off to college with $100,000 in their pocket in cash who now want to cut the safety net out from under the "entitled" people so they can cut their own taxes and have an extra million dollars in expendable income.

/ that's probably a sustainable economic policy... yea... right
// maybe the asshole who won't release his own tax returns shouldn't be so critical of anybody else's?


FRAK'N ^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
 
2012-09-18 04:00:01 PM  
dletter: "20k a year"

20? Throw in some kids and you could get to 50 without even getting creative with your taxes.
A family of four taking bog-standard deductions could earn 45k and still not pay Federal income tax.

http://squashed.tumblr.com/post/31757816989/mitt-romney-thinks-you-ne e d-to-take-responsibility-for
 
2012-09-18 04:00:56 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Entitled: People making near, at or below poverty income who have little or no tax liability and virtually no income beyond what is required for the basic necessities of life.

Not entitled: People born into wealth, sent through expensive preparatory schools and shipped off to college with $100,000 in their pocket in cash who now want to cut the safety net out from under the "entitled" people so they can cut their own taxes and have an extra million dollars in expendable income.

/ that's probably a sustainable economic policy... yea... right
// maybe the asshole who won't release his own tax returns shouldn't be so critical of anybody else's?


Or perhaps more importantly, many of these people that pay no income tax are doing so because of policies (tax credits, tax cuts, etc.) that were largely supported or enacted by the party that now bashes them for taking advantage of said policies.
 
2012-09-18 04:03:01 PM  
The moochers sure are butthurt by the truth.
 
2012-09-18 04:03:31 PM  
I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...
 
2012-09-18 04:04:15 PM  

iamdonovan: Or perhaps more importantly, many of these people that pay no income tax are doing so because of policies (tax credits, tax cuts, etc.) that were largely supported or enacted by the party that now bashes them for taking advantage of said policies.


To be fair, the republican party today is so wildly divergent from the party that passed those rules that it may as well not even continue to use the name.
 
2012-09-18 04:05:11 PM  

vpb: The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.


he's rich, you're jealous, we get it.
 
2012-09-18 04:05:28 PM  

Sofa King Smart: I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...


B-b-bb-b-bbbbb--bbbb THA PANAMAR CANIALE!!!!
 
2012-09-18 04:05:38 PM  

iamdonovan: Or perhaps more importantly, many of these people that pay no income tax are doing so because of policies (tax credits, tax cuts, etc.) that were largely supported or enacted by the party that now bashes them for taking advantage of said policies.


What we are seeing is the cumulative effect of a century or so of tax policies by both parties.
 
2012-09-18 04:05:51 PM  
"I dont like criticism of my family," James Carter IV tells NBC News."

I like this kid. A lot. I always wondered why more politicians kids don't come out like this. Hell, I get irritated when people tell lies about Obama and I don't even know him. Imagining they are talking about my father would send me over the edge.
 
2012-09-18 04:08:28 PM  
All kidding aside. But this probably cost Mittens the election. He's going to lose moderates entirely now. I'm wondering how he's going to walk back from this one.
 
2012-09-18 04:09:13 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


It doesn't matter who recorded it. The identity of Deep Throat wasn't as important as the information he gave.

Of course, people who think James O'Keefe is a stellar example of journalism will say that this video doesn't mean anything, even though it's a presidential candidate writing off half the country.
 
2012-09-18 04:10:13 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: "I dont like criticism of my family," James Carter IV tells NBC News."

I like this kid. A lot. I always wondered why more politicians kids don't come out like this. Hell, I get irritated when people tell lies about Obama and I don't even know him. Imagining they are talking about my father would send me over the edge.


So do you feel the same outrage when people lie about members of the other party? Or is you outrage one sided?
 
2012-09-18 04:10:21 PM  
It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.
 
2012-09-18 04:10:49 PM  
One side of the GOP's mouth screams "CUT TAXES!"

The other side shouts "HEY! WHY AREN'T THOSE PEOPLE PAYING TAXES?"
 
2012-09-18 04:11:15 PM  

pedobearapproved: vpb: The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.

he's rich, you're jealous, we get it.


Obama's winning, you're grumpy, we get it.
 
2012-09-18 04:11:29 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.

It doesn't matter who recorded it. The identity of Deep Throat wasn't as important as the information he gave.

Of course, people who think James O'Keefe is a stellar example of journalism will say that this video doesn't mean anything, even though it's a presidential candidate writing off half the country.


Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.
 
2012-09-18 04:11:38 PM  
This is why I'm cornfield
 
2012-09-18 04:12:10 PM  
What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?
 
2012-09-18 04:12:32 PM  

ringersol: dletter: "20k a year"

20? Throw in some kids and you could get to 50 without even getting creative with your taxes.
A family of four taking bog-standard deductions could earn 45k and still not pay Federal income tax.

http://squashed.tumblr.com/post/31757816989/mitt-romney-thinks-you-ne e d-to-take-responsibility-for


You didn't read very carefully.... I was talking about their total net taxation.... ie, even if they actually got money back from the government in other taxes like income tax, considering they are still paying sales tax on items, it probably comes out to a wash.
 
2012-09-18 04:13:59 PM  

mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?


They don't want the average person at those events, they want the "middle class" there, who according to Romney, make up to $250k a year. And obviously would be willing to part with 1/5 of their pretax yearly income to go to a Romney campaign event.
 
2012-09-18 04:14:06 PM  
Last night I found a peanut.
 
2012-09-18 04:15:03 PM  

mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?


cache.ohinternet.com
 
2012-09-18 04:16:57 PM  

Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.


I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?
 
2012-09-18 04:16:58 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I guess the [img1.fark.net image 54x11] tag couldn't afford the per plate
fee.


I know I'll definitely be raising a glass to James Carter IV later tonight. :)

/all the Rmoney in the world can't buy Mittens an ounce of concern for the middle class and the poor.

Link
 
2012-09-18 04:17:43 PM  

mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?


That you're a deadbeat dependent looking for a Big Government Handout TM?
 
2012-09-18 04:18:24 PM  

mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?


It says they don't want average people at their event. Remember under Bush II when liberals embraced the "elite" monicker?
 
2012-09-18 04:19:59 PM  

Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes.


Well, as long as you realize it's completely meaningless.
 
2012-09-18 04:20:01 PM  

JackieRabbit: All kidding aside. But this probably cost Mittens the election. He's going to lose moderates entirely now. I'm wondering how he's going to walk back from this one.


Hell this ain't even the worst thing on the tape. Here's what he said about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which sounded, at least to me , like an epic failure of leadership

And I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes, committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel, and these thorny issues, and I say, "There's just no way." And so what you do is you say, "You move things along the best way you can." You hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize that this is going to remain an unsolved problem. We live with that in China and Taiwan. All right, we have a potentially volatile situation but we sort of live with it, and we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve it. We don't go to war to try and resolve it imminently.

 
2012-09-18 04:20:18 PM  
FTFA: Carter, 35, described himself as a "partisan Democrat" and said he is currently unemployed

/so that proves Romney's point, right?
 
2012-09-18 04:20:18 PM  

chiefsfaninkc: rufus-t-firefly: BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.

It doesn't matter who recorded it. The identity of Deep Throat wasn't as important as the information he gave.

Of course, people who think James O'Keefe is a stellar example of journalism will say that this video doesn't mean anything, even though it's a presidential candidate writing off half the country.

Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.


Its actually quite a bit less, excluding ppl on SS who contributed more than they spend.
 
2012-09-18 04:22:14 PM  
Well. Ther's fifty grand down the drain
 
2012-09-18 04:22:32 PM  

CygnusDarius: ITGreen: I have narcoterrorist family in Mexico and I'm tired of them getting dragged through the mud.

I'm a Mexican living in Mexico, so there.


i.imgur.com

Alright, you've made me post this once.

Don't make me do it again.
 
2012-09-18 04:25:30 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.

I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?


I lol'd
 
2012-09-18 04:25:46 PM  
Someone point out where romney said anything that's wrong.

/not a Romney voter
//not an Obama voter
///Does not submit to groupthink from either side
 
2012-09-18 04:25:58 PM  

chiefsfaninkc: DROxINxTHExWIND: "I dont like criticism of my family," James Carter IV tells NBC News."

I like this kid. A lot. I always wondered why more politicians kids don't come out like this. Hell, I get irritated when people tell lies about Obama and I don't even know him. Imagining they are talking about my father would send me over the edge.

So do you feel the same outrage when people lie about members of the other party? Or is you outrage one sided?


It is one-sided and its also race based. I get angry only when Republicans lie and it is because the President is black. /sarcasm

/sarcasm
//Is that what you were looking for?
 
2012-09-18 04:27:20 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.

I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?


and those 47% will never vote for Romney anyways. This video is just must todo about nothing. He's just saying what we're all thinking.
 
2012-09-18 04:27:46 PM  

xen0blue: Someone point out where romney said anything that's wrong.

/not a Romney voter
//not an Obama voter
///Does not submit to groupthink from either side


I highlighted where Romney ws wrong. He said all of the people on welfare would vote for Obama. Way to step outside of the box.
 
2012-09-18 04:29:15 PM  

spman: rufus-t-firefly: Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.

I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?

and those 47% will never vote for Romney anyways. This video is just must todo about nothing. He's just saying what we're all thinking.


You think only black people and poor people make up that 47%? Somebody help this guy out.
 
2012-09-18 04:29:45 PM  

JackieRabbit: All kidding aside. But this probably cost Mittens the election. He's going to lose moderates entirely now. I'm wondering how he's going to walk back from this one.


Phhfftt. He'll be driven back. By Oswaldo. As per usual.

/don't cry for me, Massachusetts.
 
2012-09-18 04:30:09 PM  

chiefsfaninkc: The moochers sure are butthurt by the truth.


How about them Chiefs!

/Bills fan.
 
2012-09-18 04:31:02 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?


every chance they get. Liberals only believe profits are evil if someone else is getting them.  Al Gore, Michael Moore, Bill Clinton, George Soros, . . .
 
2012-09-18 04:31:30 PM  
All the discussion just goes to prove Romney's point. If you're polarized for him then you probably agree that the "47%" are "people who don't matter", people who are not entitled to the level of benefits they receive, or perhaps you are one of them and feel guilty about needing to take said benefits. If you are polarized against him then you see this as an insult to the entire working (and non-working) class, whom you identify as "peoplle who matter".

If you are up in the air on this then you are exactly the ten percent or so that he is talking about. If that is you, then go ahead, flip a coin. Because in the end we all get screwed either way.
 
2012-09-18 04:32:07 PM  

mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?


I'm wondering if it's really $50,000 per PLATE, as in, $50K for the salad, $50K for the antipasti, $50K for the entree, $50K for the dessert, $50K ok $25K for the little saucer that holds the coffee cup and the spoon. That's pretty good haul, don't you think? $225K for a 4-course meal?
 
2012-09-18 04:34:38 PM  
i1139.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-18 04:35:56 PM  
www.maniacworld.com
We don't need no stinking narcoterrorist.
 
2012-09-18 04:40:57 PM  

King Something: timujin: vpb: The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.

Still wondering if anything is going to happen on the 28th...

What happens on the 28th? is that the filing deadline for presidential candidates?


Anonymous claims to have gotten copies of his tax returns and are blackmailing him, threatening to release them unless they get $1M. If they don't get it by the 28th, they're supposedly releasing them to the public. I don't put much credence in it, but I guess we'll find out for certain in ten days.
 
2012-09-18 04:45:26 PM  

JackieRabbit: All kidding aside. But this probably cost Mittens the election. He's going to lose moderates entirely now. I'm wondering how he's going to walk back from this one.


He hasn't lost my father's vote. Whose wife (his household) gets SS disability. One of his daughters (not me) gets SS disability and food stamps for his grandchild. They're reaching Medicare age. But they're the Right™ type of freeloaders, I guess.
 
2012-09-18 04:46:43 PM  

timujin: King Something: timujin: vpb: The funny thing is that Romney has worked the tax system so much that he has to take the hit for not releasing his taxes, even though it was his own father who suggested that people who didn't were hiding something.

But it's OK for people like him, he is too special to pay taxes.

Still wondering if anything is going to happen on the 28th...

What happens on the 28th? is that the filing deadline for presidential candidates?

Anonymous claims to have gotten copies of his tax returns and are blackmailing him, threatening to release them unless they get $1M. If they don't get it by the 28th, they're supposedly releasing them to the public. I don't put much credence in it, but I guess we'll find out for certain in ten days.


There would be many Lulz if they pulled that off.
 
2012-09-18 04:47:18 PM  

spman: rufus-t-firefly: Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.

I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?

and those 47% will never vote for Romney anyways. This video is just must todo about nothing. He's just saying what we're all thinking.


geezers make up like 10 of that 47 percent...
 
2012-09-18 04:47:59 PM  

timujin: Anonymous claims to have gotten copies of his tax returns


Um, Anonymous? You sure?
 
Ehh
2012-09-18 04:49:45 PM  

Two16: Sofa King Smart: I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...

B-b-bb-b-bbbbb--bbbb THA PANAMAR CANIALE!!!!


That's a big one for them. It doesn't even register with the non-wingnutty. So we had a treaty to give it back in 2000, and he honored it? Big deal. But to them it makes him history's greatest monster, even if Bush I got to be a hero stealing it back and use them newfangled stealth planes to bomb out a poor neighborhood when their former CIA asset went on the run.

And an American soldier shot a Spanish journalist dead. That went over REAL well in Spain.

Also, by actually being a nice guy who does Christian charity for the poor, instead of just paying lip service, Carter shows them up. Solar panels on the White House? Turn the thermostat down? FFFUFUFUFUUUUUUUU!!!!111
 
2012-09-18 04:50:47 PM  
I had imagined the video was maded by some busboy or waiter who plopped their phone on a side table just for laughs.

And I trust the idea that a person making $250K a year would donate $50K to this fundraiser was some sort of joke.
 
2012-09-18 04:51:21 PM  
So what are you insinuating, that i'm on welfare?

Also, he did not mention welfare in his comments. There are other ways for the government to care for you without being on welfare.

Here, let me explain this to you in your language: BAAAH BAH BAH BAAAAAAAAAAAH BAH BAAAH BAAAAH BAAAAAAAHHH


DROxINxTHExWIND: xen0blue: Someone point out where romney said anything that's wrong.

/not a Romney voter
//not an Obama voter
///Does not submit to groupthink from either side

I highlighted where Romney ws wrong. He said all of the people on welfare would vote for Obama. Way to step outside of the box.

 
2012-09-18 04:52:24 PM  

timujin: Anonymous claims to have gotten copies of his tax returns and are blackmailing him, threatening to release them unless they get $1M. If they don't get it by the 28th, they're supposedly releasing them to the public. I don't put much credence in it, but I guess we'll find out for certain in ten days.


That they are asking only one million is a sure sign it is a hoax. If the returns are as damaging as Romney clearly thinks they are, then one million is way too little to ask. Also a blackmailer would probably make contact though a private channel since a copy of the return would be needed to prove that they really had a copy. Besides if Anonymous really got those returns, their past M.O. would be to release the returns.
 
2012-09-18 04:53:07 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Apparently the spin is on...Mitts heading to FOX this afternoon Link


Romney is so terrified of being called a flip-flopper that it's impossible to back away from a blunt statement like that. If his press conference is any indication, he'll stick to the assertion while trying to soften it. At least Fox won't try to perform any acts of journalism while he's peddling his spin.
 
2012-09-18 04:53:18 PM  
Tha Carter IV? Hot album, but not as good as Tha Carter III.
 
2012-09-18 04:54:57 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: xen0blue: Someone point out where romney said anything that's wrong.

/not a Romney voter
//not an Obama voter
///Does not submit to groupthink from either side

I highlighted where Romney ws wrong. He said all of the people on welfare would vote for Obama. Way to step outside of the box.


haha
 
2012-09-18 04:55:00 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: timujin: Anonymous claims to have gotten copies of his tax returns

Um, Anonymous? You sure?


well, they're, you know, anonymous, so no, I'm not sure. ;)

TheMysteriousStranger: That they are asking only one million is a sure sign it is a hoax. If the returns are as damaging as Romney clearly thinks they are, then one million is way too little to ask. Also a blackmailer would probably make contact though a private channel since a copy of the return would be needed to prove that they really had a copy. Besides if Anonymous really got those returns, their past M.O. would be to release the returns.


Agreed, but again, I don't really think it's for realz, but I'm curious as to what happens. It'd be really funny if on the 28th they say, "Hey, sorry, we can't release them, Romney paid up."
 
2012-09-18 04:55:31 PM  
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?
 
2012-09-18 05:00:22 PM  

Mouser: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?


He's insulting his base by implying that they vote for Obama. Gov't doesn't give money to single dudes, in case you haven't noticed. All this "charity" goes to people with kids. People with kids are more Republican because apparently that's what happens when your life switches over to a "higher purpose." The main reason that more people don't pay taxes is that some previous Presidents (Republican I think, doesn't matter) created a tax break for them.
 
2012-09-18 05:00:27 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


They are supposed to blame themselves for convincing them to post it online?
 
2012-09-18 05:02:23 PM  
What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?
 
2012-09-18 05:03:21 PM  

Mouser: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?


Even if you believe it is true, some of those people are republicans... so attacking them as victims who don't care for their lives is probably not the best way to garner votes...
 
2012-09-18 05:05:23 PM  

westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?


Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.
 
2012-09-18 05:06:50 PM  

Mouser: How exactly is this a controversial statement?


The claim of dependence on the government, seeing themselves as victims etc.
 
2012-09-18 05:07:41 PM  

dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes. Of course, cutting their income to $20k a year doesn't sound very appealing to them.


in retirement, mitt romney makes about $56,000 a day. let that sink in.
 
2012-09-18 05:09:53 PM  

FlashHarry: dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes. Of course, cutting their income to $20k a year doesn't sound very appealing to them.

in retirement, mitt romney makes about $56,000 a day. let that sink in.


I also like how people white knighting for Romney and others are so fast to accuse of wealth envy. I suppose it hasn't occurred to them that the system is rotten from the inside out. The ones at the top have killed the gatekeepers and confiscated their keys.
 
2012-09-18 05:10:52 PM  
What? Something bashing a non-Progressive politician and it's not listed with a "Hero" tag?

Fark Progressive Brigade, I am beginning to lose hope in your powers of influence over Drew and his moderators.
 
2012-09-18 05:13:15 PM  

pxlboy: westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?

Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.


Ethical like assassinating US citizens on foreign soil without a trial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-usa-yemen-lawsuit-idUSBR E 86H1BT20120718

But yeah, tax returns are the most important thing in this election.
 
2012-09-18 05:13:19 PM  

Mouser: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?


He's claiming that almost half of the country are nothing more than lazy, unmotivated mooches who are dumb asses.

Most Americans are people who are hard workers who jobs and opportunity have been shipped off for the sake of corporations and shareholders "profit" Their wages haven't gone up the same rate as the "executives". Their medical expenses had gone up higher than inflation. Some live in areas where there are no decent services.

In fact, it only shows how out of touch he actually his with at least half of the populace.
 
2012-09-18 05:14:10 PM  

SouthParkCon: What? Something bashing a non-Progressive politician and it's not listed with a "Hero" tag?

Fark Progressive Brigade, I am beginning to lose hope in your powers of influence over Drew and his moderators.


Yeah fark is part of the liberal-lamestream-driveby-media-conspiracy. We need more republicans to make those kind of comments and maybe they will change their evil ways.
 
2012-09-18 05:16:18 PM  
When someone has that large amount of money, I'd imagine that he has an extremely diversified portfolio of investments, and some of that will be funds in offshore accounts. Not sure of the problem of that although I can see an argument saying it's immoral somehow to do what the US Treasury has established as being completely legal. Wouldn't you think that any money he made and placed into an offshore account has already had taxes paid on it before it got put there? From a business sense, wouldn't you place some of your portfolio in a diverse mix of accounts to include bonds, stocks (both US and foreign), foreign currency (take advantage of exchange rate fluctuations), and anything else? Seems to make great sense from a business and finance standpoint. Nothing says being patriotic means you put your investment funds into the least profitable mix of investments. I can see hypocritical in only a small sense. I'm just trying to look at this from a non-emotional, objective standpoint. I'd bet a tremendous amount of his investment portfolio is in US securities, of which we all benefit as that money is capital for businesses which is what keeps our economy chugging. Am I off track a bunch here without getting into like him or hate him dialogue?
 
2012-09-18 05:18:39 PM  

Headso: SouthParkCon: What? Something bashing a non-Progressive politician and it's not listed with a "Hero" tag?

Fark Progressive Brigade, I am beginning to lose hope in your powers of influence over Drew and his moderators.

Yeah fark is part of the liberal-lamestream-driveby-media-conspiracy. We need more republicans to make those kind of comments and maybe they will change their evil ways.


Anti liberal no longer means conservative these days. Plenty of non-conservatives are tired of this shiat as well.
 
2012-09-18 05:20:39 PM  

westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?


I know that Romney hasn't done anything illegal with his taxes. What would hurt him is if he had paid far less % than the average middle class person due to tax deductions and loopholes. Most Americans doe not hate the rich for being rich...but they do hate any special "privileges" the rich get from tax breaks due to accountants the average American can't hire.
 
2012-09-18 05:21:09 PM  
Non-story and non-issue. What he said was in some parts true. But really, there are bigger issues than if Mitt thinks Obama supporters are victims. The whole middle-east explosion of anger (well, to be honest they're always angry) the solution is easy. Drop ship truckloads of Xboxes, flat screens and video games and they'll settle down.
 
2012-09-18 05:21:49 PM  

bluefox3681: pxlboy: westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?

Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.

Ethical like assassinating US citizens on foreign soil without a trial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-usa-yemen-lawsuit-idUSBR E 86H1BT20120718

But yeah, tax returns are the most important thing in this election.


Way to change the subject. People find Romney to be insincere and patrician.
 
2012-09-18 05:22:10 PM  

mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?


Um, I couldn't afford to go back for seconds?
 
2012-09-18 05:23:54 PM  

super_grass: Headso: SouthParkCon: What? Something bashing a non-Progressive politician and it's not listed with a "Hero" tag?

Fark Progressive Brigade, I am beginning to lose hope in your powers of influence over Drew and his moderators.

Yeah fark is part of the liberal-lamestream-driveby-media-conspiracy. We need more republicans to make those kind of comments and maybe they will change their evil ways.

Anti liberal no longer means conservative these days. Plenty of non-conservatives are tired of this shiat as well.


non-consevatives have a problem with the liberal-media-conspiracy? where do you even hear about the liberal media conspiracy if you don't get your "news" from places like breitbart or merkin stinker?
 
2012-09-18 05:24:27 PM  

Headso: super_grass: Headso: SouthParkCon: What? Something bashing a non-Progressive politician and it's not listed with a "Hero" tag?

Fark Progressive Brigade, I am beginning to lose hope in your powers of influence over Drew and his moderators.

Yeah fark is part of the liberal-lamestream-driveby-media-conspiracy. We need more republicans to make those kind of comments and maybe they will change their evil ways.

Anti liberal no longer means conservative these days. Plenty of non-conservatives are tired of this shiat as well.

non-consevatives have a problem with the liberal-media-conspiracy? where do you even hear about the liberal media conspiracy if you don't get your "news" from places like breitbart or merkin stinker?


LOL @ "liberal media"
 
2012-09-18 05:27:08 PM  

bluefox3681: pxlboy: westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?

Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.

Ethical like assassinating US citizens on foreign soil without a trial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-usa-yemen-lawsuit-idUSBR E 86H1BT20120718

But yeah, tax returns are the most important thing in this election.


Was it ethical for Obama to "assassinate" U.S. citizen on foreign soil?By the same yardstick was it ethical of these people to actively aid the sworn enemies of the United States in a foreign land? |

What do you think will happen if you aid the enemy? War is hell.
 
2012-09-18 05:29:06 PM  
Romney was spot on. Everything he said is exactly true. He should have campaigned on that. He is never, ever going to get an Obama voter to switch. But there are pissed off independents who have to pay taxes who don't care for welfare bums too.

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished... Romney should campaign that poor people are lazy and need to get off their asses.
 
2012-09-18 05:29:55 PM  

impaler: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Earguy: I swear this whole video thing was on Fark weeks ago, don't remember if it was greenlit. Anybody else? Why is this hitting now, instead of back then?

It wasn't adequately sourced for the press until Carter found the poster and hooked them up with MJ and HuffPo.

/yes, some journalists have some standards

Did they think it was CGI or something?


Nah, just old fashioned animatronics.
 
2012-09-18 05:31:45 PM  
mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?

That you didn't get an invite to George Clooney's one for Obama?
 
2012-09-18 05:32:19 PM  

Thunderpipes: Everything he said is exactly true.


Problem a lot of that 47 percent vote Republican....
 
2012-09-18 05:33:40 PM  

j__z: mrlewish: What does it say when it cost $50,000 a plate for such events and the average person does not even make that much in a year?

That you didn't get an invite to George Clooney's one for Obama?


Those $50k/plate dinners are not *for* the average person. Those five, six, and seven-digit donations get you access. That's what they're paying for. No one in Washington is *that* interested in the ideas, needs, and concerns of the average person.
 
2012-09-18 05:35:51 PM  

Mouser: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?


(1) Because it's untrue. (2) Because it shows that Romney has total contempt for half the people in the country yet still still thinks he's entitled to be President.
 
2012-09-18 05:39:18 PM  

JackieRabbit: All kidding aside. But this probably cost Mittens the election. He's going to lose moderates entirely now. I'm wondering how he's going to walk back from this one.


I'm imagining his attempt will be: "Freedom, Jesus, America, Repeal Obamacare, Jesus, Freedom, America, Repeal Obamacare. . ." the standard recording from Romneybot.

His campaign was on the ropes before this, the convention slump he got (instead of a surge) showed that he was in dire straits. This could be a knockout blow.

It isn't over until the actual election, of course, but for Rmoney to win the election now would be one of the greatest electoral comebacks in US history. It would probably take a true "October Surprise" to tip the tide.
 
2012-09-18 05:39:29 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Thunderpipes: Everything he said is exactly true.

Problem a lot of that 47 percent vote Republican....


And now you see exactly how deep his foot went. This is probably the most honest thing that we have heard from Romney for the entire campaign thus far.
 
2012-09-18 05:39:37 PM  
Hey you guys. Give this Carter kid a break. If he has his Grandfather's liver lips, he's to be pitied. for pete's sake.
 
2012-09-18 05:41:23 PM  

pxlboy: And now you see exactly how deep his foot went.


There's also the fact that many of the 47 percent are retired or children.
 
2012-09-18 05:42:17 PM  

xen0blue: Someone point out where romney said anything that's wrong.

/not a Romney voter
//not an Obama voter
///Does not submit to groupthink from either side


I like the cut of your jib.
 
2012-09-18 05:42:34 PM  

WhyteRaven74: pxlboy: And now you see exactly how deep his foot went.

There's also the fact that many of the 47 percent are retired or children.


Precisely. The subtext of his statement was clear: poor and minority voters (whom he considers to be one in the same)
 
2012-09-18 05:42:45 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


Actually from looking at the video it appears that the camera is on a serving table or welcome table in the back behind everybody. So I'm guessing one of the waitstaff, you know part of the 47% that Romney doesn't care about, took the video
 
2012-09-18 05:43:07 PM  
The best presidents are those who know they're one of the people, not above the people.
 
2012-09-18 05:43:54 PM  

Thunderpipes:

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished...



Man...I have got to start paying closer attention to the news. I can't believe I completely missed that! You'd think that a sitting president calling rich people "evil" and advocating for them to be "punished" would be a huge story. You know what? Screw the media. I've got Google. I'm gonna search for those quotes and see for myself.
 
2012-09-18 05:44:28 PM  
Romney sounds like Lady Godiva: "I get to walk around stark-ass nekkid, but if you scope out my weewee, that's a blindin'."
 
2012-09-18 05:45:06 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


Also, Carter's grandkid didn't say really stupid "hey look, im unelectable!" things, Romney did. He just might be the guy who should get the blame for this, cause ... you know, he said that shiat. Its on tape.

When you get on the take-some-responsibility-assclown train, you might as well go all they way up to the "the actual guy that said awful stupid shiat" car, rather than stopping at the "its my fault assface over there got caught" car.
 
2012-09-18 05:45:18 PM  
"Well there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what, alright? There are 47% percent who are with him who are dependent upon government who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement, and that government should give to them and they will vote for this president no matter what."

The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.
 
2012-09-18 05:45:27 PM  

bluefox3681: pxlboy: westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?

Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.

Ethical like assassinating US citizens on foreign soil without a trial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-usa-yemen-lawsuit-idUSBR E 86H1BT20120718

But yeah, tax returns are the most important thing in this election.


Yes, Obama is a mass murderer. Not sure why you, as an evident Romy supporter, would bring it up seeing as one of Romney's campaign planks seems to be that the mass murder just isn't quite mass enough.
 
2012-09-18 05:45:51 PM  

I Browse: Thunderpipes:

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished...


Man...I have got to start paying closer attention to the news. I can't believe I completely missed that! You'd think that a sitting president calling rich people "evil" and advocating for them to be "punished" would be a huge story. You know what? Screw the media. I've got Google. I'm gonna search for those quotes and see for myself.


This. There seems to be conflation in the minds of the right of 'wealth envy' and basic disgust at the patrician attitude of folks like Romney.
 
2012-09-18 05:47:03 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: bluefox3681: pxlboy: westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?

Because people find his, "Believe in America" statements to be hypocritical coming from someone who dodges taxes by putting it in offshore banks. Legal does not always mean ethical.

Ethical like assassinating US citizens on foreign soil without a trial?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/18/us-usa-yemen-lawsuit-idUSBR E 86H1BT20120718

But yeah, tax returns are the most important thing in this election.

Yes, Obama is a mass murderer. Not sure why you, as an evident Romy supporter, would bring it up seeing as one of Romney's campaign planks seems to be that the mass murder just isn't quite mass enough.


Considering that Romney and his brain trust would be beating the war drums for Iran, you make a good point.
 
2012-09-18 05:49:18 PM  

reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.


So children and the retired are lazy bums?
 
2012-09-18 05:50:02 PM  

WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?


Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.
 
2012-09-18 05:57:39 PM  

westfalc: When someone has that large amount of money, I'd imagine that he has an extremely diversified portfolio of investments, and some of that will be funds in offshore accounts. Not sure of the problem of that although I can see an argument saying it's immoral somehow to do what the US Treasury has established as being completely legal. Wouldn't you think that any money he made and placed into an offshore account has already had taxes paid on it before it got put there? From a business sense, wouldn't you place some of your portfolio in a diverse mix of accounts to include bonds, stocks (both US and foreign), foreign currency (take advantage of exchange rate fluctuations), and anything else? Seems to make great sense from a business and finance standpoint. Nothing says being patriotic means you put your investment funds into the least profitable mix of investments. I can see hypocritical in only a small sense. I'm just trying to look at this from a non-emotional, objective standpoint. I'd bet a tremendous amount of his investment portfolio is in US securities, of which we all benefit as that money is capital for businesses which is what keeps our economy chugging. Am I off track a bunch here without getting into like him or hate him dialogue?


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven

"The Economist has tentatively adopted the description by Geoffrey Colin Powell (former economic adviser to Jersey): "What ... identifies an area as a tax haven is the existence of a composite tax structure established deliberately to take advantage of, and exploit, a worldwide demand for opportunities to engage in tax avoidance." [emphasis added]

As someone else has already said, it's not illegal. But lower- and midde-class voters can get kinda pissy when the rich people who want us to vote for them are using legal loopholes and special privileges that aren't available to us to reduce their tax burden.

Romney has a lot of money. I'm pretty sure he got it legally, so I'm okay with it. He has enough that he doesn't have to work anymore and can live off the capital gains. I'm okay with that, too. Capital gains are taxed at a much lower rate than income working-class people get from, um, working. Okay, I'm a little jealous about that, but I know that there are reasons for that, such as it encourages re-investment, which in turn should benefit the US economy. So, once again, I'm okay with it.

But when rich, US citizens use foreign tax havens to reduce their US taxes below the capital gains rate, that's when lower- and middle-class voters get to see how rigged the game is.

And that's what people are expecting to see more of, if Romney releases more than one tax return. 

tl;dr -- WHAR 1040 WHAR? :-)
 
2012-09-18 06:00:56 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: westfalc: When someone has that large amount of money, I'd imagine that he has an extremely diversified portfolio of investments, and some of that will be funds in offshore accounts. Not sure of the problem of that although I can see an argument saying it's immoral somehow to do what the US Treasury has established as being completely legal. Wouldn't you think that any money he made and placed into an offshore account has already had taxes paid on it before it got put there? From a business sense, wouldn't you place some of your portfolio in a diverse mix of accounts to include bonds, stocks (both US and foreign), foreign currency (take advantage of exchange rate fluctuations), and anything else? Seems to make great sense from a business and finance standpoint. Nothing says being patriotic means you put your investment funds into the least profitable mix of investments. I can see hypocritical in only a small sense. I'm just trying to look at this from a non-emotional, objective standpoint. I'd bet a tremendous amount of his investment portfolio is in US securities, of which we all benefit as that money is capital for businesses which is what keeps our economy chugging. Am I off track a bunch here without getting into like him or hate him dialogue?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven

"The Economist has tentatively adopted the description by Geoffrey Colin Powell (former economic adviser to Jersey): "What ... identifies an area as a tax haven is the existence of a composite tax structure established deliberately to take advantage of, and exploit, a worldwide demand for opportunities to engage in tax avoidance." [emphasis added]

As someone else has already said, it's not illegal. But lower- and midde-class voters can get kinda pissy when the rich people who want us to vote for them are using legal loopholes and special privileges that aren't available to us to reduce their tax burden.

Romney has a lot of money. I'm pretty sure he got it legally, so ...


A very illuminating post.

another tl;dr: don't hate the player, hate the game
 
2012-09-18 06:05:28 PM  

reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.


But you're aware that this isn't one of those times, since it's a demonstrable fact that a good portion of those 47% are groups of people that are predominantly GOP voters?
 
2012-09-18 06:09:29 PM  
What do you think will happen if you aid the enemy?

A judge-issued warrant for my arrest, legal counsel, a jury of my peers, and lawful punishment, for starters.

Even if you believe that Obama will only assassinate the bad guys, you are setting the precedent that the executive office can kill anyone, anywhere, with merely a "j'accuse!"

Al-awaki may very well have been engaged in illegal behavior, but no evidence has been forthcoming from the administration. The only publically confirmed information has him playing the role of a motivational speaker for assholes, which the Supreme Court has ruled numerous times is protected speech. His designated terrorist status was a "trust us" from the government.

I dont want ANYONE to have that kind of power. FSM help us if a real nutjob ever gains the office.
 
2012-09-18 06:12:50 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: What do you think will happen if you aid the enemy?

A judge-issued warrant for my arrest, legal counsel, a jury of my peers, and lawful punishment, for starters.

Even if you believe that Obama will only assassinate the bad guys, you are setting the precedent that the executive office can kill anyone, anywhere, with merely a "j'accuse!"

Al-awaki may very well have been engaged in illegal behavior, but no evidence has been forthcoming from the administration. The only publically confirmed information has him playing the role of a motivational speaker for assholes, which the Supreme Court has ruled numerous times is protected speech. His designated terrorist status was a "trust us" from the government.

I dont want ANYONE to have that kind of power. FSM help us if a real nutjob ever gains the office.


Like the ones who feel it is their duty to provide the catalyst for their Biblical Armageddon. That alone is bad enough, but what if they succeed in getting their war. What happens when Jesus doesn't show?
 
2012-09-18 06:15:44 PM  
If you don't pay taxes, why would you want to vote?

Oh, to get free stuff.

Is this where I get to rail about some of the members of my family, that are too damned lazy to steal?

/'cause I has some.

//why does this buffoon sound more like presdential material than the other buffoon?
 
2012-09-18 06:16:31 PM  

pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.


Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.
 
2012-09-18 06:16:36 PM  

chiefsfaninkc: Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.


Everyone who receives government aid is "enslaved", huh? lol. Right.
The hilarious thing is that, contrary to Romney's belief, a good chunk of that 47% are people who would've voted for him.
 
2012-09-18 06:18:19 PM  

Gawdzila: chiefsfaninkc: Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.

Everyone who receives government aid is "enslaved", huh? lol. Right.
The hilarious thing is that, contrary to Romney's belief, a good chunk of that 47% are people who would've voted for him.


And many still will.
 
2012-09-18 06:20:40 PM  

reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.


So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.
 
2012-09-18 06:26:31 PM  
It's all theater. Obama is supposed to win and the Republitards are supposed to have the next 8.

As longs as it's R's and D's, everyone's happy and nothing changes.
 
2012-09-18 06:27:09 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: This is the problem when you are a Politician. When you have a $50,000 a plate fundraiser,you tend to try to speak to the crowd that bought your ass for an evening.

Obama did the same thing with his fundraiser...however this is his quote in full context

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." 

Apparently the spin is on...Mitts heading to FOX this afternoon Link


Obama's point, afterwards in that speech, was to reach out to those communities. Obama was saying they're suspicious and they're not getting the lift up and lift-off they need from the folks they keep voting in. Obama wanted to be that lift off and lift up. That's diametrically opposed to Romney's 'fk 'em' message.
 
2012-09-18 06:28:57 PM  

In the newly released full Mojo/Romney tapes, about 4 minutes in on tape one, Romney starts to talk about what he refers to as "the Jimmy Carter election", i.e., 1980. He then goes on to talk about how the hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission Desert One were pervasive issues through the 1980 election. Then at the end he says that "if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."


He has a couple stopped and started sentences and at some points it's not entirely clear to me what his meaning is. But on this last point he seems to be saying that if a major international crisis erupted he'd do what he could to turn it to political advantage.



Please take a listen. It's about four minutes in, on the 1st of the two videos here. What do you make of it?

 
2012-09-18 06:30:59 PM  

Slam1263: If you don't pay taxes, why would you want to vote?

Oh, to get free stuff


Truly you possess a staggering intellect.
 
2012-09-18 06:31:58 PM  

Nick Nostril: It's all theater. Obama is supposed to win and the Republitards are supposed to have the next 8.

As longs as it's R's and D's, everyone's happy and nothing changes.


I wish i were as smart as you.
 
2012-09-18 06:33:59 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: More like Jimmy Farter, right guys?


Uh oh, James Carter IV is going to hate you now.
 
2012-09-18 06:36:44 PM  

Deucednuisance: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

But you're aware that this isn't one of those times, since it's a demonstrable fact that a good portion of those 47% are groups of people that are predominantly GOP voters?


I won't try to defend the 47% figure because it's impossible to quantify. But I do believe that there is some percentage of Americans who will vote for the president no matter what, and I believe that there is some percentage of Americans who are dependent upon the government who believe that they are victims, and I believe that there is some percentage of Americans who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, and I believe that there is some percentage of Americans who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food and to housing - after all, they are currently receiving these things from the government. And I believe that people who are on the receiving end of the government's largesse will vote, if they vote at all, for President Obama because he supports programs and policies that continue entitlements. By and large Democrats support entitlements, and by and large Republicans don't. I don't see any point in pretending that reality doesn't exist. As far as I am concerned, Mr. Romney has stated several truths and acknowledged a reality and I admire him for speaking his mind.

So shout me down, criticize me, belittle me, attribute ridiculous conclusions to my statements, call me names - but whatever you do, DO NOT acknowledge that there is any validity to what Mr. Romney said. That, my friends, is a slippery slope . . .
 
2012-09-18 06:39:51 PM  

Sofa King Smart: I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...


Jimmy Carter has a soul, moral and ethics... which makes him uncomfortable for Republicans *and* Democrats, sometimes.
 
2012-09-18 06:41:17 PM  
My best guess is Romney took the amnesty deal given to people who participated in the UBS tax evasion scheme that got busted

So no conviction but pretty much admission he was a tax cheat if his returns were released
 
2012-09-18 06:42:29 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: One side of the GOP's mouth screams "CUT TAXES!"

The other side shouts "HEY! WHY AREN'T THOSE PEOPLE PAYING TAXES?"


... you know, that's a good observation I haven't seen yet.
how is that explained?
 
2012-09-18 06:45:46 PM  

pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.

So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.


Serious question: can you explain exactly what you are referring to?

/And maybe refrain from name-calling 
//Gotta help my kid with his homework. I'll be back for the explanation
 
2012-09-18 06:47:53 PM  

pacified: Nick Nostril: It's all theater. Obama is supposed to win and the Republitards are supposed to have the next 8.

As longs as it's R's and D's, everyone's happy and nothing changes.

I wish i were as smart as you.


Meh, believe what you want. Won't change anything.
 
2012-09-18 06:48:04 PM  

westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?


The innocence of this post makes me smile. These folks don't file a 1040EZ. They employ CPAs and tax attorneys and structure their investments at and past the complicated and arcane regs. The end result is a mockery of what is intended in raising revenue based on the level of income involved. When challenged they litigate in tax court and overwhelm the government's tax collecting system. Not to mention the bribes paid to congress to carve out special exceptions for their mendacity
 
2012-09-18 06:49:43 PM  
Still waiting for the media or FARK to post Yomama's "I believe in redistribution.." video. Nope, no bias here or in the media. Move along citizen.

No Media Bias Link Right Here
 
2012-09-18 06:53:41 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Mouser: How exactly is this a controversial statement?

The claim of dependence on the government, seeing themselves as victims etc.


Is Mouser for real?
 
2012-09-18 06:57:20 PM  

Hobodeluxe: In the newly released full Mojo/Romney tapes, about 4 minutes in on tape one, Romney starts to talk about what he refers to as "the Jimmy Carter election", i.e., 1980. He then goes on to talk about how the hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission Desert One were pervasive issues through the 1980 election. Then at the end he says that "if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."
He has a couple stopped and started sentences and at some points it's not entirely clear to me what his meaning is. But on this last point he seems to be saying that if a major international crisis erupted he'd do what he could to turn it to political advantage.

Please take a listen. It's about four minutes in, on the 1st of the two videos here. What do you make of it?


Business as usual, 'inelegantly' stated.
 
2012-09-18 07:05:27 PM  

reubendaley: "Well there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what, alright? There are 47% percent who are with him who are dependent upon government who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement, and that government should give to them and they will vote for this president no matter what."

The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.


Or, as in this case, the vociferousness reflects the callousness of Romney's words.
 
2012-09-18 07:13:39 PM  
Heh, in between the comments in this thread there's morsels of "this was made up!" and "I don't see Obama's statement of X! Media Bias!".
 
2012-09-18 07:17:44 PM  

Hobodeluxe: In the newly released full Mojo/Romney tapes, about 4 minutes in on tape one, Romney starts to talk about what he refers to as "the Jimmy Carter election", i.e., 1980. He then goes on to talk about how the hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission Desert One were pervasive issues through the 1980 election. Then at the end he says that "if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."
He has a couple stopped and started sentences and at some points it's not entirely clear to me what his meaning is. But on this last point he seems to be saying that if a major international crisis erupted he'd do what he could to turn it to political advantage.

Please take a listen. It's about four minutes in, on the 1st of the two videos here. What do you make of it?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-18 07:22:19 PM  
Thank God he didn't accuse a large part of the country of being bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him, how do you think we got President McCain? Oh wait..
 
2012-09-18 07:24:40 PM  
People should know that the video was probably recorded not by a guest, but by one of the waitstaff.
 
2012-09-18 07:30:20 PM  

reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.

So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.

Serious question: can you explain exactly what you are referring to?

/And maybe refrain from name-calling 
//Gotta help my kid with his homework. I'll be back for the explanation


It came up earlier in the election, but the ones talking about it washed out of the election: notably Gingrich.

Political Animal - Gingrich, GOP target child-labor laws
 
2012-09-18 07:33:46 PM  

Optimus Composite: Thank God he didn't accuse a large part of the country of being bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him, how do you think we got President McCain? Oh wait..


Touche.

Saying his base is a bunch of evangelical xenophobes is stereotyping as much as saying Obama's base is a bunch of welfare queens. That said, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

It's sad that the party of Eisenhower is now an umbrella for far-right religious nuts.
 
2012-09-18 07:38:17 PM  

Optimus Composite: Thank God he didn't accuse a large part of the country of being bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him, how do you think we got President McCain? Oh wait..




"But the truth is that our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's no evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, Ohio-like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years, and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration and the Bush administration. And each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate. And they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, and they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or, you know, anti-trade sentiment [as] a way to explain their frustrations.

"Now, these are in some communities. You know, I think what you'll find is that people of every background-there are going to be a mix of people. You can go in the toughest neighborhood, you know, working-class lunch-pail folks, and you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you'd think that I'd be very strong, and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing."
 
2012-09-18 07:39:32 PM  
It was Jimmy Carter's grandson who convinced the person who had the Romney Unplugged video to send it to Mother Jones

That's fitting... LOL
 
2012-09-18 07:41:00 PM  

Slesfo: People should know that the video was probably recorded not by a guest, but by one of the waitstaff.


"The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they're not having a good year. "
 
2012-09-18 07:47:20 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Slesfo: People should know that the video was probably recorded not by a guest, but by one of the waitstaff.

"The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they're not having a good year. "


Doesn't matter who recorded it.
Whatever it takes to out a true blue sociopath, so be it.
This farker is flying a false flag and claiming it is God.

/Jebus would approve
 
2012-09-18 07:47:21 PM  

reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.


I'm not sure who the truth hurts except the Romney campaign. His statement is likely factual, or very close to it-- but that 47% he mentions consists primarily of children, the retired, and stay-at-home parents. It's sort of obvious that these people don't pay taxes.

Traditional one-breadwinner families and the elderly-- groups the republican party has traditionally had no trouble speaking to-- are treated in this speech as if they are somehow deadbeats sucking at the government teat.
 
2012-09-18 07:50:12 PM  
Romney is right. We're now at the point where over 47 percent of the people in this county --- over 47 percemt of people who are old enough to be in the U.S. workforce --- pay no income taxes at all. Actually, it's worse than that. Not only do they not pay taxes, they consume a good portion of the taxes paid by the other 52+ percent. These people are on the government teat .. and for all-too-many of them, that's exactly where they want to stay.

In America, one-half of the population is living off the other half. Almost one-half of Americans support and maintain their lifestyles by using the federal government as an instrument of plunder. And why not? Politicians - liberal politicians - make it easy for them. Their president - their hero - their savior - Barack Obama -- says that it is government spending that made America great! Well fine! Then let's make America even greater! Spend more money on ME! These moochers rather like the life of living off of the work of others and they will vote for Obama -- if they vote at all. Voting, after all, requires effort. He's the man who will protect their parasitic lifestyle.
 
2012-09-18 07:53:01 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: rufus-t-firefly: One side of the GOP's mouth screams "CUT TAXES!"

The other side shouts "HEY! WHY AREN'T THOSE PEOPLE PAYING TAXES?"

... you know, that's a good observation I haven't seen yet.
how is that explained?


What particular "taxes" did you have in mind?
Sales Taxes?
Property Taxes?
Need we really go on?
I pay taxes besides Income, just standing still, occupying space and breathing.
All these things I feel "entitled to".
 
2012-09-18 07:55:16 PM  

westfalc: What exactly is anyone expecting to see in his tax returns? I'm not clear on this. If he'd done something wrong I'm pretty sure this administration's Treasury Dept would have very easily investigated it and he would be in trouble. Seeing as the IRS isn't knocking down his door, I'm confused as to what all the hubbub is about. I'm guessing that he, like a lot of others, legally invested in various securities and paid the established tax rates that are set for gains from those said investments. Is there a problem with that? I'm certainly not saying he's a great guy, I'm just curious as to what the witch hunt is about. My guess is if he released 20 years worth of returns and there was nothing illegal there, someone would simply find something else to ask him to release, just like the birthers would for Obama. Seems pretty pointless and fruitless. Maybe we can move on to something more important?


Just speculation, but if he took advantage of the Swiss Bank Account Amnesty Program in 2009, it might be a tough sell...
 
2012-09-18 08:01:29 PM  

Thunderpipes: Romney was spot on. Everything he said is exactly true. He should have campaigned on that. He is never, ever going to get an Obama voter to switch. But there are pissed off independents who have to pay taxes who don't care for welfare bums too.

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished... Romney should campaign that poor people are lazy and need to get off their asses.


Wealth is increasingly concentrated in fewer people. Suppose you end up with the majority being poor (not a stretch if it's already at 47%)? How do you win an election? Maybe you need to take away one person, one vote and make it like a stockholder vote, where to vote you have to buy shares in America and your vote counts by number of shares you own. That'll make sure the rich call all the shots forever.
 
2012-09-18 08:03:45 PM  

Nem Wan: Thunderpipes: Romney was spot on. Everything he said is exactly true. He should have campaigned on that. He is never, ever going to get an Obama voter to switch. But there are pissed off independents who have to pay taxes who don't care for welfare bums too.

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished... Romney should campaign that poor people are lazy and need to get off their asses.

Wealth is increasingly concentrated in fewer people. Suppose you end up with the majority being poor (not a stretch if it's already at 47%)? How do you win an election? Maybe you need to take away one person, one vote and make it like a stockholder vote, where to vote you have to buy shares in America and your vote counts by number of shares you own. That'll make sure the rich call all the shots forever.


Implying that our elected "representatives" weren't already bought and sold.
 
2012-09-18 08:10:29 PM  
It's okay to eat the 47 percent, 'cause they, don't have any feeeeeeeeeelings...
 
2012-09-18 08:19:49 PM  
They unplugged the Romneybot? Did the Bush campaign loan them Bush's debate battery back-pack so he could go cordless?

And to think Republicans have the effrontery to howl about teleprompters. As if Reagan didn't use one to sing in the shower. Bush Sr. couldn't read or else he migh have been able to complete a sentence.
 
2012-09-18 08:22:27 PM  

pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.

So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.

Serious question: can you explain exactly what you are referring to?

/And maybe refrain from name-calling 
//Gotta help my kid with his homework. I'll be back for the explanation

It came up earlier in the election, but the ones talking about it washed out of the election: notably Gingrich.

Political Animal - Gingrich, GOP target child-labor laws


O.K. I read that. And obviously I don't think it says what you think it says.

I don't see how you can attribute that effort to Romney, but is having children work so evil? I don't think these gentlemen were advocating forced labor but rather an opportunity to earn. Is it so awful to think about inspiring a work ethic in our children, or should we let them believe that whatever they need in life will be handed to them? Don't worry - it's a rhetorical question.

How about working up some rage for real child exploitation like that which occurs in the countries where our manufacturers have fled? Who do you think made the rug you wipe your feet on, or picked the coffee beans that made your morning brew? Who went down into the mine and plucked the diamond on your wife's finger? Or assembled your smart phone, or labored to create the clothing you are wearing?

Am I being trolled or do you really believe the extremist position you've taken?
 
2012-09-18 08:24:52 PM  

reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.

So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.

Serious question: can you explain exactly what you are referring to?

/And maybe refrain from name-calling 
//Gotta help my kid with his homework. I'll be back for the explanation

It came up earlier in the election, but the ones talking about it washed out of the election: notably Gingrich.

Political Animal - Gingrich, GOP target child-labor laws

O.K. I read that. And obviously I don't think it says what you think it says.

I don't see how you can attribute that effort to Romney, but is having children work so evil? I don't think these gentlemen were advocating forced labor but rather an opportunity to earn. Is it so awful to think about inspiring a work ethic in our children, or should we let them believe that whatever they need in life will be handed to them? Don't worry - it's a rhetorical question.

How about working up some rage for real child exploitation like that which occurs in the countries where our manufacturers have fled? Who do you think made the rug you wipe your feet on, or picked the coffee beans that made your morning brew? Who went down into the mine and plucked the diamond on your wife's finger? Or assembled your smart phone, or labored to create the clothing you are wearing?

Am I being trolled or do you really believe the extremist position you've taken?


I don't attribute it to Romney, rather some in the party. Also, work is one thing, but I should have clarified to mean things like children working in factories instead of being in school.

I'm not ignorant of the role of child labor and I certainly don't care for it. It is, at this point, almost inescapable and is not something we should be pushing for over here.
 
2012-09-18 08:27:22 PM  

reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.

So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.

Serious question: can you explain exactly what you are referring to?

/And maybe refrain from name-calling 
//Gotta help my kid with his homework. I'll be back for the explanation

It came up earlier in the election, but the ones talking about it washed out of the election: notably Gingrich.

Political Animal - Gingrich, GOP target child-labor laws

O.K. I read that. And obviously I don't think it says what you think it says.

I don't see how you can attribute that effort to Romney, but is having children work so evil? I don't think these gentlemen were advocating forced labor but rather an opportunity to earn. Is it so awful to think about inspiring a work ethic in our children, or should we let them believe that whatever they need in life will be handed to them? Don't worry - it's a rhetorical question.

How about working up some rage for real child exploitation like that which occurs in the countries where our manufacturers have fled? Who do you think made the rug you wipe your feet on, or picked the coffee beans that made your morning brew? Who went down into the mine and plucked the diamond on your wife's finger? Or assembled your smart phone, or labored to create the clothing you are wearing?

Am I being trolled or do you really believe the extremist position you've taken?


I failed to clarify my position and you responded to what I wrote. Simply put, instilling a work ethic in our children is vastly different than sticking them on an assembly line at the age of 10 for 12 to 14 hours a day. I worked as a teenager as I imagine you did as well.

Also, I certainly support bringing manufacturing back into the US instead of rewarding companies that seek to drive the American labor market down to wage parity with Southeast Asia.
 
2012-09-18 08:33:58 PM  

dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes. Of course, cutting their income to $20k a year doesn't sound very appealing to them.


Not a question of jealousy. I'd just prefer it if everyone who votes had some actual skin in the game.
 
2012-09-18 08:53:18 PM  

pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: reubendaley: pxlboy: WhyteRaven74: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

So children and the retired are lazy bums?

Remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws.

Parlant du diable et le diable apparaît.

So, you're comfortable with child labor? And no, I don't mean 14 year olds with a work permit.

Serious question: can you explain exactly what you are referring to?

/And maybe refrain from name-calling 
//Gotta help my kid with his homework. I'll be back for the explanation

It came up earlier in the election, but the ones talking about it washed out of the election: notably Gingrich.

Political Animal - Gingrich, GOP target child-labor laws

O.K. I read that. And obviously I don't think it says what you think it says.

I don't see how you can attribute that effort to Romney, but is having children work so evil? I don't think these gentlemen were advocating forced labor but rather an opportunity to earn. Is it so awful to think about inspiring a work ethic in our children, or should we let them believe that whatever they need in life will be handed to them? Don't worry - it's a rhetorical question.

How about working up some rage for real child exploitation like that which occurs in the countries where our manufacturers have fled? Who do you think made the rug you wipe your feet on, or picked the coffee beans that made your morning brew? Who went down into the mine and plucked the diamond on your wife's finger? Or assembled your smart phone, or labored to create the clothing you are wearing?

Am I being trolled or do you really believe the extremist position you've taken?

I failed to clarify my position and you responded to what I wrote. Simply put, instilling a work ethic in our children is vastly different than sticking them on an assembly line at the age of 10 for 12 to 14 hours a day. I worked as a teenager as I imagine you did as well.

Also, I certainly support bringing manufacturing back into the US instead of rewarding companies that seek to drive the American labor market down to wage parity with Southeast Asia.


Ok. But I don't see the article you linked as standing for the proposition that we should revert to draconian ways of child exploitation, and offering it up as support of your statement "remember, these are the same assholes that want to repeal child labor laws" seem to suggest that it did.
 
2012-09-18 09:11:49 PM  
Sofa King Smart:
I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...


But he's not an asshole.
 
2012-09-18 09:27:30 PM  
BunkyBrewman Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Watch the video-esp the waiters moving in front of the lens. The camera's obvs on a wheeled dinner-serving tray, the speech was illicitly taped by spacemonkey waiters i.e. Romney's 47%'ers api.ning.com
 
2012-09-18 09:28:02 PM  

Deucednuisance: reubendaley: The degree to which the truth hurts can sometimes be gauged by the vociferousness of those attacking the messenger.

But you're aware that this isn't one of those times, since it's a demonstrable fact that a good portion of those 47% are groups of people that are predominantly GOP voters?


I would imagine if that 47% actually did vote for Obama, plus the actual % in the other 53% who will also vote for Obama.... Obama would win the popular vote about 75% to 25%. But, the poor generally don't vote for what would be good for them economically... they vote on social/religious and perceived "freedom" issues.

The other problem is, generally, that 47% also has a much lower voter turnout rate than the other 53%.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/07/research_desk_wh at _if_all_inco.html
 
2012-09-18 09:29:17 PM  
Good job, kid.
 
2012-09-18 09:45:38 PM  

Silly Jesus: over 47 percemt of people who are old enough to be in the U.S. workforce --- pay no income taxes at all. Actually, it's worse than that. Not only do they not pay taxes

In America, one-half of the population is living off the other half.


Liar.

growlersoftware.com
 
2012-09-18 10:02:37 PM  
That is the most hilarious thing to come out of this campaign yet. Carter II: Jimmy's Revenge!
 
2012-09-18 11:01:05 PM  

FlyingJ: BunkyBrewman Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Watch the video-esp the waiters moving in front of the lens. The camera's obvs on a wheeled dinner-serving tray, the speech was illicitly taped by spacemonkey waiters i.e. Romney's 47%'ers [api.ning.com image 850x357]


Makes me wonder if he said other, even more offensive things beforehand and they decided to fire up the camera to get the dirt afterwards, and he just kept right on talking and saying things he should probably regret later.

Yeah, the Project Mayhem/"We Watch You While You Sleep" pic is appropriate. Rmoney's campaign was already on the ropes, but he pissed off the waiters. A $50k a plate dinner, with waiters making well less than that per year. They were serving people who could throw away more than their annual salary on one night's expenses. I'd imagine they were pretty bitter, when combined with his plutocratic class-warfare act.

I do wonder if this was held in reserve for a specific moment, like if Mitt was doing better they would have already used it. Yesterday was supposed to be when he started talking about issues and putting some substance into his campaign. . .and that got derailed instantly, like this one was being held back as a political weapon to use at an optimum time.
 
2012-09-18 11:01:51 PM  

Thunderpipes: Romney was spot on. Everything he said is exactly true. He should have campaigned on that. He is never, ever going to get an Obama voter to switch. But there are pissed off independents who have to pay taxes who don't care for welfare bums too.

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished... Romney should campaign that poor people are lazy and need to get off their asses.


I can't believe this needs to be repeated so continuously, but let me explain this to you one more time.

The group of people who pay no federal income tax (yes, it's probably around 47%) includes:
- students
- stay-at-home parents
- the elderly
- people who earn so little that they're exempt from federal taxes
- people who pay state income taxes, city taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, etc.
- people who have paid into the system for years and are now retired or unable to work
- the unemployed who are desperately searching for work
- people who are disabled, temporarily or permanently
- people who are having a bad year financially
- people taking legitimate deductions that bring their federal tax rate down to 0

So, how exactly is everything that Romney said true? ALL of these people are lazy and looking for a government handout? ALL of these people support Obama blindly? ALL of these people are freeloaders simply living off of the government?

The fact is that the states that have the highest percentage of people paying zero federal income tax are also the states with the highest percentage of Republican voters. Romney is wrong and is distorting the facts, as usual. And that is the nicest thing I can possibly say about him, his campaign, and these remarks.
 
2012-09-18 11:12:27 PM  

Silly Jesus: Romney is right. We're now at the point where over 47 percent of the people in this county --- over 47 percemt of people who are old enough to be in the U.S. workforce --- pay no income taxes at all. Actually, it's worse than that. Not only do they not pay taxes, they consume a good portion of the taxes paid by the other 52+ percent. These people are on the government teat .. and for all-too-many of them, that's exactly where they want to stay.

In America, one-half of the population is living off the other half. Almost one-half of Americans support and maintain their lifestyles by using the federal government as an instrument of plunder. And why not? Politicians - liberal politicians - make it easy for them. Their president - their hero - their savior - Barack Obama -- says that it is government spending that made America great! Well fine! Then let's make America even greater! Spend more money on ME! These moochers rather like the life of living off of the work of others and they will vote for Obama -- if they vote at all. Voting, after all, requires effort. He's the man who will protect their parasitic lifestyle.


Shut the Fark up.

I am one of that 47% who doesn't pay in on Income Taxes.

Last year I spent most of the year on Active Duty as a National Guardsman, other than that I was at the police academy, or serving as a police officer. After the EITC and other credits/deductions, my wife (who is too ill to work) and myself got a very modest refund.

The year before that, I was on Active Duty almost all year. Again, being an enlisted man in the US Army may pay the bills, but you will never be rich. Combine that with those same credits and deductions, and we got a refund.

The years before that I was working 40 to 60 hour work weeks in a variety of blue collar jobs. My wife worked night-shift staff at a rehab center (before her health went downhill, in part due to extreme stress from her job) on 40 to 50 hour workweeks herself. We didn't make a lot of money, but it paid the bills. Again, due to credits and deductions, we got a refund.

I'm one of those 47% Mitt Romney talks about. I'm no damn moocher. I work my ass off. I don't expect free food, free lodging, or free healthcare from the government. What I DO expect is that if I work hard that I can afford healthy and safe food, comfortable and secure lodging, and have affordable and adequate healthcare. Mitt has openly said he plans to repeal that last one, and has blatantly insulted me when he thought he was confidentially speaking to a dinner of the uber-rich.

I'd have to have extra holes in my head to think that voting for Mitt Romney and his plutocratic class-warfare agenda was a good idea, so you can STFU with the Republican spin talking points..
 
2012-09-18 11:19:27 PM  

Silverstaff: FlyingJ: BunkyBrewman Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Watch the video-esp the waiters moving in front of the lens. The camera's obvs on a wheeled dinner-serving tray, the speech was illicitly taped by spacemonkey waiters i.e. Romney's 47%'ers [api.ning.com image 850x357]

Makes me wonder if he said other, even more offensive things beforehand and they decided to fire up the camera to get the dirt afterwards, and he just kept right on talking and saying things he should probably regret later.

Yeah, the Project Mayhem/"We Watch You While You Sleep" pic is appropriate. Rmoney's campaign was already on the ropes, but he pissed off the waiters. A $50k a plate dinner, with waiters making well less than that per year. They were serving people who could throw away more than their annual salary on one night's expenses. I'd imagine they were pretty bitter, when combined with his plutocratic class-warfare act.

I do wonder if this was held in reserve for a specific moment, like if Mitt was doing better they would have already used it. Yesterday was supposed to be when he started talking about issues and putting some substance into his campaign. . .and that got derailed instantly, like this one was being held back as a political weapon to use at an optimum time.


The video's been on the circut (youtube) for a while now; May, IIRC. It's getting more traction now because of Carter Jr. outing himself as forwarding the clip to news agencies who picked up on it.

Your analysis of the wait staff, 100% on, me thinks. It harkens to a time when Edwards (another born into/and worked through devious methods 1%-er) came into the diner I was working at once and left a 17 cent tip on a $230 bill for him and some staffers late in the nights service. We were even on our very best behavior, knowing how rich he is and expecting a good tip-out; hell, we even turned the death metal off...

/so thrilled I don't work for tips any longer
//thinks everyone everywhere should have to live off of a tip-based-salary for at least 6 months out of their lives to understand better
 
2012-09-18 11:34:22 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Take some farking responsibility you assclown. Carter's grandkid didn't record the video, you did.


Being that you see people grazing the other side of the buffet table, the person recording with the camera in the phone could have been a server, "Would you like some prime rib with your whine?"
 
2012-09-18 11:49:16 PM  
GaryPDX - Obama's "base"

growlersoftware.com
 
2012-09-18 11:55:41 PM  

Hobodeluxe: In the newly released full Mojo/Romney tapes, about 4 minutes in on tape one, Romney starts to talk about what he refers to as "the Jimmy Carter election", i.e., 1980. He then goes on to talk about how the hostage crisis and the failed rescue mission Desert One were pervasive issues through the 1980 election. Then at the end he says that "if something of that nature presents itself I will work to find a way to take advantage of the opportunity."
He has a couple stopped and started sentences and at some points it's not entirely clear to me what his meaning is. But on this last point he seems to be saying that if a major international crisis erupted he'd do what he could to turn it to political advantage.

Please take a listen. It's about four minutes in, on the 1st of the two videos here. What do you make of it?


so what he's saying is if some angry muslims somewhere in the world could get their hands on some American hostages in the next month or so... he and/or some of his wealthy donors could make it worth their while... maybe he could hit up HW bush for some pointers on 'negotiating' with these types of people... you know so they don't accidentally release the hostages too soon.
 
2012-09-18 11:58:39 PM  
chiefsfaninkc 2012-09-18 04:11:29 PM

Half the country has already written itself off by allowing themselves to be enslaved by the federal government. Romney did nothing but acknowledge it.

www.onepennysheet.com

crooksandliars.com 

hinessight.blogs.com 
 
2012-09-19 01:43:46 AM  

timujin: Agreed, but again, I don't really think it's for realz, but I'm curious as to what happens. It'd be really funny if on the 28th they say, "Hey, sorry, we can't release them, Romney paid up."


Funnier: "We lied. Romney paid us, but here they are anyway."

Most Funnierest: "My friends! Let me explain. They said they wouldn't release them if I paid."
 
2012-09-19 01:52:03 AM  
keycorner.org
 
2012-09-19 02:25:48 AM  

dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes. Of course, cutting their income to $20k a year doesn't sound very appealing to them.


upload.wikimedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_duckies
 
2012-09-19 04:13:38 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.

I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?


It could also be that many people actually want that 47% number to be less. You know, make people pay taxes. Not much, at the low end, and perhaps a lot *more* at the high end, but *some*.
 
2012-09-19 06:07:28 AM  
One more reason to like President Carter and his family!
 
2012-09-19 09:29:12 AM  
The saddest part is that a significant portion of those wastrels that Rom-bot complains about are actually the second half of his base; Americans who vote on Abortion, Jesus, Bigots, and Guns.

What a great deal the Republican party has with them; all they have to do is pay minimal lip-service at zero dollar cost. Poor Democrats actually have to invest real money in Environment, Job Safety and Basic Entitlement programs.
 
2012-09-19 10:40:41 AM  

Thunderpipes: Romney was spot on. Everything he said is exactly true. He should have campaigned on that. He is never, ever going to get an Obama voter to switch. But there are pissed off independents who have to pay taxes who don't care for welfare bums too.

Obama campaigns by saying rich people are evil and must be punished... Romney should campaign that poor people are lazy and need to get off their asses.


Except what he said wasn't true at all, other than that 47 percent of people don't pay federal income taxes. Then he went on to a flat lie (and a popular conservative talking point) that those 47 percent are lazy moochers who won't take reponsibility for their lives. That's not even close to being true. Nearly two thirds of that 47 percent works and pays federal payroll taxes at a higher rate of taxation than Romney pays (when you include the employer contribution). Most of the rest of the 47 percent are retired. Fewer than 15 percent of those who don't pay federal income taxes are actually "dependents," who are either temporarily unemployed because of the bad economy or unemployable (disabled, incarcerated, etc.).

The 47 percent doesn't pay federal income taxes mainly because of tax breaks passed in the Reagan and Bush II administrations. Wealthy people got much bigger tax breaks from those changes in tax law, and now they're complaining that people who don't make a lot of money got tax breaks, too?
 
2012-09-19 11:12:14 AM  

Sofa King Smart: I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...


Not really a farmer, not totally self-made (His wiki is wrong on this; sourced to bad journalism). His dad was fairly wealthy. Jimmy took over the family peanut warehouse business after his dad died and expanded it. Great guy, though. Kind of a crummy president (kind of a mean boss, micro-manager, bad at congressional and public relations), but a GREAT ex-president.
 
2012-09-19 11:20:10 AM  
if you lazy moochers still vote Romney in after all of this, you deserve whatever shiat he does to your country.
 
2012-09-19 11:25:13 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: rufus-t-firefly: Mr. Right: It's moderately interesting that an informal CNBC poll is running about 76% in agreement with Romney's comments. Link 

Yes, I know it's not scientific and I know that any group could now rally the troops and change it in minutes. But since CNBC isn't typically a bastion of conservative thought, and since I am reliably informed by farklibs that all tea partiers, conservatives, neo-cons, Republicans, and such get all of their news from Fox and never venture outside it, it's kind of amusing that the numbers are running the way they are.

I wonder how many of that 76% are members of the 47% that Romney derides in the video...

And CNBC is a business channel. Are you saying that liberals are involved in capitalist ventures?

It could also be that many people actually want that 47% number to be less. You know, make people pay taxes. Not much, at the low end, and perhaps a lot *more* at the high end, but *some*.


Yeah, but all of those people DO pay taxes, just not federal income taxes. If they work, 15 percent of their compensation goes to Medicare and Social Security. Romney's total federal tax bill is under 14 percent (because SS & Medicare are taxed only on the first $110,000 of wage income, it's an insignificant amount for someone with his income). And they pay a much higher percentage of their income in property taxes, sales taxes, federal excise taxes, etc., because when you have a lower income, you tend to spend almost all of it on taxed necessities, rather than plowing a lot of it back into (untaxed) investments.

The problem is that people WANT to believe that their taxes are wasted on moochers, because it allows them to think that their already low taxes could be lowered further without any real sacrifice. Having a message that feeds a common prejudice, however false, is always better than having a factual message that people don't want to believe. That's why RMoney is so close in the polls.
 
2012-09-19 11:42:40 AM  

Mouser: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney said on the recording. "All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it."

How exactly is this a controversial statement?


For many reasons, outside of the fact that the his statement is a generalization of almost half the US population. I think the biggest issue with his comment is that here you have an individual who wants to be President, but has implied that he could care less about half the population.

Any reasonable person who has been following politics lately already knew this. All he's done is confirm it. His damage control didn't help.
 
2012-09-19 12:33:01 PM  

reubendaley: So shout me down, criticize me, belittle me, attribute ridiculous conclusions to my statements, call me names


Right. 'Cause I did exactly none of those things, you know. Just saying.

reubendaley: DO NOT acknowledge that there is any validity to what Mr. Romney said


Oh, there is some.

But it's a tiny fraction of the population. And it does not reliably vote Republican. And getting (and I'm being very generous, here) 10% of a statement right does not equal "correct", or even "partly correct".

It's just "wrong".

Don't let The Narrative get in the way of Facts, son.

Optimus Composite: bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him


People really should read the first part of the paragraph to see what he was actually describing. Otherwise, it's the typical Lie of Omission.

He never said Word One about Xenophobia, by the way, just misplaced anger.

Man On Pink Corner: I'd just prefer it if everyone who votes had some actual skin in the game.


This twaddle, again?

If I were a stay-home-Dad, and had no income to be taxed, are you saying that I shouldn't have a voice in how Public Funds are spent? Because they would have no effect on me and mine? Are you really that dim?
 
2012-09-19 01:03:24 PM  

FlyingJ: BunkyBrewman Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Watch the video-esp the waiters moving in front of the lens. The camera's obvs on a wheeled dinner-serving tray, the speech was illicitly taped by spacemonkey waiters i.e. Romney's 47%'ers [api.ning.com image 850x357]


Came here for this. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-09-19 03:26:28 PM  

Deucednuisance: reubendaley: So shout me down, criticize me, belittle me, attribute ridiculous conclusions to my statements, call me names

Right. 'Cause I did exactly none of those things, you know. Just saying.

reubendaley: DO NOT acknowledge that there is any validity to what Mr. Romney said

Oh, there is some.

But it's a tiny fraction of the population. And it does not reliably vote Republican. And getting (and I'm being very generous, here) 10% of a statement right does not equal "correct", or even "partly correct".

It's just "wrong".

Don't let The Narrative get in the way of Facts, son.

Optimus Composite: bitter xenophobes, desperately clinging to their guns and bibles. That could have sunk him

People really should read the first part of the paragraph to see what he was actually describing. Otherwise, it's the typical Lie of Omission.

He never said Word One about Xenophobia, by the way, just misplaced anger.

Man On Pink Corner: I'd just prefer it if everyone who votes had some actual skin in the game.

This twaddle, again?

If I were a stay-home-Dad, and had no income to be taxed, are you saying that I shouldn't have a voice in how Public Funds are spent? Because they would have no effect on me and mine? Are you really that dim?


The more stupid, the broader the brush.
 
2012-09-19 03:27:55 PM  

No Such Agency: Sofa King Smart:
I still don't understand the 'conservative' hate for Carter...
if you look at his background he is EVERYTHING they claim to want...
actual military service (didn't have daddy get him a deferment)... devout Christian (even taught sunday school while he was in the white house for christ's sake!)... self-made farmer, still active in habitat for humanity...

But he's not an asshole.


Automatic DQ.
 
2012-09-19 04:37:13 PM  

Deucednuisance: If I were a stay-home-Dad, and had no income to be taxed, are you saying that I shouldn't have a voice in how Public Funds are spent? Because they would have no effect on me and mine? Are you really that dim?


Yep. You shouldn't have the power to vote your way into my wallet just because you and your wife managed to figure out the whole sex thing.
 
2012-09-19 05:30:41 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Yep. You shouldn't have the power to vote your way into my wallet just because you and your wife managed to figure out the whole sex thing.


Well, I pay taxes. Why should you have any say in how they're spent?

Seriously, you cannot see how stupid this line of "reasoning" is?
 
2012-09-19 07:09:35 PM  

Makh: CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-ter!


I hope the implication there wasn't that Romney is at all Jim Kirk like. Romney is more like the anti-Kirk: nobody likes him, he doesn't give a damn about the people under his command, and he sucks at everything he does. Even when he cheats he can't own up to it because no one will admire his ingenuity.
 
2012-09-19 08:12:41 PM  

chiefsfaninkc: DROxINxTHExWIND: "I dont like criticism of my family," James Carter IV tells NBC News."

I like this kid. A lot. I always wondered why more politicians kids don't come out like this. Hell, I get irritated when people tell lies about Obama and I don't even know him. Imagining they are talking about my father would send me over the edge.

So do you feel the same outrage when people lie about members of the other party? Or is you outrage one sided?


People like Newt Gingrich? Hard not to have, you know, fair and legit reasons to dislike him.
 
2012-09-19 08:15:18 PM  

Silverstaff: Silly Jesus: Romney is right. We're now at the point where over 47 percent of the people in this county --- over 47 percemt of people who are old enough to be in the U.S. workforce --- pay no income taxes at all. Actually, it's worse than that. Not only do they not pay taxes, they consume a good portion of the taxes paid by the other 52+ percent. These people are on the government teat .. and for all-too-many of them, that's exactly where they want to stay.

In America, one-half of the population is living off the other half. Almost one-half of Americans support and maintain their lifestyles by using the federal government as an instrument of plunder. And why not? Politicians - liberal politicians - make it easy for them. Their president - their hero - their savior - Barack Obama -- says that it is government spending that made America great! Well fine! Then let's make America even greater! Spend more money on ME! These moochers rather like the life of living off of the work of others and they will vote for Obama -- if they vote at all. Voting, after all, requires effort. He's the man who will protect their parasitic lifestyle.

Shut the Fark up.

I am one of that 47% who doesn't pay in on Income Taxes.

Last year I spent most of the year on Active Duty as a National Guardsman, other than that I was at the police academy, or serving as a police officer. After the EITC and other credits/deductions, my wife (who is too ill to work) and myself got a very modest refund.

The year before that, I was on Active Duty almost all year. Again, being an enlisted man in the US Army may pay the bills, but you will never be rich. Combine that with those same credits and deductions, and we got a refund.

The years before that I was working 40 to 60 hour work weeks in a variety of blue collar jobs. My wife worked night-shift staff at a rehab center (before her health went downhill, in part due to extreme stress from her job) on 40 to 50 hour workweeks herself. We ...


I work hard enough to not have to depend on the government taking money from someone else and giving it to me. I'm sorry that this isn't important to you.
 
2012-09-19 08:16:42 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Silverstaff: FlyingJ: BunkyBrewman Unbelievable. Some person (a Romney backer) takes a video of their candidate and now blames Carter's grandson for convincing them to post it online?

Watch the video-esp the waiters moving in front of the lens. The camera's obvs on a wheeled dinner-serving tray, the speech was illicitly taped by spacemonkey waiters i.e. Romney's 47%'ers [api.ning.com image 850x357]

Makes me wonder if he said other, even more offensive things beforehand and they decided to fire up the camera to get the dirt afterwards, and he just kept right on talking and saying things he should probably regret later.

Yeah, the Project Mayhem/"We Watch You While You Sleep" pic is appropriate. Rmoney's campaign was already on the ropes, but he pissed off the waiters. A $50k a plate dinner, with waiters making well less than that per year. They were serving people who could throw away more than their annual salary on one night's expenses. I'd imagine they were pretty bitter, when combined with his plutocratic class-warfare act.

I do wonder if this was held in reserve for a specific moment, like if Mitt was doing better they would have already used it. Yesterday was supposed to be when he started talking about issues and putting some substance into his campaign. . .and that got derailed instantly, like this one was being held back as a political weapon to use at an optimum time.

The video's been on the circut (youtube) for a while now; May, IIRC. It's getting more traction now because of Carter Jr. outing himself as forwarding the clip to news agencies who picked up on it.

Your analysis of the wait staff, 100% on, me thinks. It harkens to a time when Edwards (another born into/and worked through devious methods 1%-er) came into the diner I was working at once and left a 17 cent tip on a $230 bill for him and some staffers late in the nights service. We were even on our very best behavior, knowing how rich he is and expecting a good tip-out; hell, we even ...


Didn't you choose to work for tips rather than adequate wages? Why should everyone make that same poor choice just to see how bad it is?
 
2012-09-19 08:19:02 PM  

Hickory-smoked: [keycorner.org image 550x749]


biggeek: dletter: I am just so amused as how jealous the super rich are of people making $20k a year and how they don't have to pay taxes. Of course, cutting their income to $20k a year doesn't sound very appealing to them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 354x167]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_duckies


Being jealous of the poor and not wanting your money confiscated by the government and handed over to the moochers and parasites are two very different things. The first one being a figment of your imagination created to avoid reality.
 
2012-09-19 08:53:49 PM  

Silly Jesus: I work hard enough to not have to depend on the government taking money from someone else and giving it to me. I'm sorry that this isn't important to you.


Oh really?

You're saying I don't work hard just because I'm paid by the Government?

I'm not hard working when I am on active duty? I'm not hard working when I am on duty as a cop?

When is the last time you worked a 90 hour work week? The last time you had to kick down a door at your job? The last time you had to slide down a rope out of a helicopter at your job? The last time that you had to make a decision that might cost good men and women their lives if you got it wrong?

I work plenty hard, probably harder than you. Your tax dollars pay my salary.

That "47%" Mitt Romney talked about includes veterans, soldiers, the elderly, the poor. . .and they aren't moochers.

Just because you don't make enough money to pay income tax doesn't mean your entire life is tax free. I still pay sales tax, gasoline tax, property taxes, payroll taxes & FICA, state income taxes, and more taxes that I am probably not even realizing. About the only tax I can think I DON'T pay is cigarette tax because I don't smoke, and Capitol Gains tax because I'm not rich enough to have big investments.

I know I don't have a lot of money, but the money I do pay in taxes I know goes to provide a school for my son, roads to drive on, the salaries of my fellow servicemembers and officers, as well as other civil servants, as well as a wide variety of services and programs. It's not just throwing money into a government-shaped hole and it's wasted, I'm paying my fair share in, and I get my fair share out.
 
2012-09-19 09:04:18 PM  

Silly Jesus: Being jealous of the poor and not wanting your money confiscated by the government and handed over to the moochers and parasites are two very different things. The first one being a figment of your imagination created to avoid reality.


After seeing what an asshole you made of yourself with Silverstaff, I'm not about to take lectures in reality avoidance from the likes of you.

The central focus of your philosophy seems to be that anyone who isn't rich is just lazy. That's a myth, and a callous, blind one at that.
 
2012-09-19 11:58:11 PM  

Deucednuisance: Well, I pay taxes. Why should you have any say in how they're spent?


What kind of taxes? Payroll taxes don't count, and no amount of sputtering and spinning is going to change that. Your payroll taxes are not supposed to fund anything but your own SS/Medicare coverage.

Local and state sales taxes and property taxes are also irrelevant because the 47% thing specifically calls out Federal income taxation.
 
2012-09-20 05:11:57 AM  

Silverstaff: Silly Jesus: I work hard enough to not have to depend on the government taking money from someone else and giving it to me. I'm sorry that this isn't important to you.

Oh really?

You're saying I don't work hard just because I'm paid by the Government?

I'm not hard working when I am on active duty? I'm not hard working when I am on duty as a cop?

When is the last time you worked a 90 hour work week? The last time you had to kick down a door at your job? The last time you had to slide down a rope out of a helicopter at your job? The last time that you had to make a decision that might cost good men and women their lives if you got it wrong?

I work plenty hard, probably harder than you. Your tax dollars pay my salary.

That "47%" Mitt Romney talked about includes veterans, soldiers, the elderly, the poor. . .and they aren't moochers.

Just because you don't make enough money to pay income tax doesn't mean your entire life is tax free. I still pay sales tax, gasoline tax, property taxes, payroll taxes & FICA, state income taxes, and more taxes that I am probably not even realizing. About the only tax I can think I DON'T pay is cigarette tax because I don't smoke, and Capitol Gains tax because I'm not rich enough to have big investments.

I know I don't have a lot of money, but the money I do pay in taxes I know goes to provide a school for my son, roads to drive on, the salaries of my fellow servicemembers and officers, as well as other civil servants, as well as a wide variety of services and programs. It's not just throwing money into a government-shaped hole and it's wasted, I'm paying my fair share in, and I get my fair share out.


You get more out than you put in. I was simply saying that you shouldn't complain. You made the choices in your life. You got a job where you wouldn't make enough money to survive without a government safety net. Your poor decisions in life do not entitle you to one cent of my money.
 
2012-09-20 05:13:16 AM  

Hickory-smoked: Silly Jesus: Being jealous of the poor and not wanting your money confiscated by the government and handed over to the moochers and parasites are two very different things. The first one being a figment of your imagination created to avoid reality.

After seeing what an asshole you made of yourself with Silverstaff, I'm not about to take lectures in reality avoidance from the likes of you.

The central focus of your philosophy seems to be that anyone who isn't rich is just lazy. That's a myth, and a callous, blind one at that.


No. The central focus of my philosophy is that no one else is entitled to any portion of my life. What right do you have to claim ownership of any portion of my work? Or I yours?
 
2012-09-20 09:34:18 AM  

Silly Jesus: You get more out than you put in. I was simply saying that you shouldn't complain. You made the choices in your life. You got a job where you wouldn't make enough money to survive without a government safety net. Your poor decisions in life do not entitle you to one cent of my money.


What government safety net?

My family and myself are not on TANF, SNAP, Medicaid, SSI or any other "welfare" program. The money I receive from the government is my salary for the job I do. I don't pay in on income tax because my income, when combined with deductions and tax credits, especially the EITC, reduces my income tax liability to zero. I'm still paying in plenty in other taxes, just not to the IRS.

The one time in my life that I needed a "safety net" involved an unpaid furlough from a private sector job due to a lack of work, and that need was met by a food bank at a local church. I have never taken a single dime in "welfare" from the government.

I am a soldier and a police officer, and if you are calling those poor career choices, just come right out and say you hate soldiers and police officers. Both of those jobs pay a helluva lot better than the retail, food service and customer service jobs I had beforehand, and you better bet that this "47%" includes a lot of people who check you out at the store, serve your food, and answer your calls, and they are hardworking people who pay into the system too. . .just not to the IRS.

As for what right does somebody have to what you make, here is how. You didn't make that all by yourself, President Obama was right. You drove to work on roads funded by public dollars. You probably went to a public school. You are breathing clean air and drinking clean water ensured by the EPA. You live under the security provided through the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security, as well as your local and state police forces. You are safe from fire because of your local fire department. You know if a storm is coming because of the National Weather Service.

Even if you are an entrepreneur and "made it yourself", your employees were also taught in public schools, maybe even went to college on student loans. You may well have had a Small Business Administration loan to help you get started.

The American people are entitled to a portion of your work, through taxation, to pay back what you took out just by living in this country. You are entitled to that same portion of everybody elses work. It's called living in a civilized country. Taxes have been levied by every government in history. Unless you were a frontiersman living in the wilderness or some explorer stranded on a distant island, you paid taxes and lived with the benefits of those taxes. In the 21st century, neither one of those is a valid career path.

The Ayn Rand fantasy of a handful of bold entrepreneurs struggling against vast hordes evil moochers and an oppressive government is just that, the childish fantasy of people who don't understand how the world really works, as written by a woman deeply scarred by growing up during the Russian Revolution. You think you're Atlas? Go ahead, shrug, I dare you. Go off an try to make Galt's Gulch, leave society. Be John Galt if you think you can. You'll find that in the real world, we need government to work well, and it's a lot more than a handful of percent of people that really make the world go. Want to know what a world without taxes and government looks like in the real world? Look at Somalia: thieves, pirates, gangs, religious militias, and constant low-grade warfare.

The "system" will crash a lot faster if the waiters, sales clerks, call center workers, janitors, and other working men left than if these Randian entrepreneurs left.
 
2012-09-20 10:09:43 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: What kind of taxes?


Hey, Douche, I'm not in the hypothetical anymore, I'm talking about the real Me, homeowner, so American that I have three jobs. I pay plenty of income tax. Why should *you* have a say (via your vote) in how they are spent?

Man On Pink Corner: Payroll taxes don't count,


Why not? That's not "skin in the game"? (Which was the characterization to which I was objecting, after all. Stay on point, kthx!) That money goes into Social Security, Medicare/aid, etc. Why shouldn't such people have a vote about how those programs are manifested? (Hint: There have been Presidents and Presidential Candidates that thought "privatizing" these programs was a swell idea? Why shouldn't someone who pays into them be denied the right to vote against such idiocy?)
 
2012-09-20 11:42:37 AM  

Silly Jesus: Silverstaff: Silly Jesus: Romney is right. We're now at the point where over 47 percent of the people in this county --- over 47 percemt of people who are old enough to be in the U.S. workforce --- pay no income taxes at all. Actually, it's worse than that. Not only do they not pay taxes, they consume a good portion of the taxes paid by the other 52+ percent. These people are on the government teat .. and for all-too-many of them, that's exactly where they want to stay.

In America, one-half of the population is living off the other half. Almost one-half of Americans support and maintain their lifestyles by using the federal government as an instrument of plunder. And why not? Politicians - liberal politicians - make it easy for them. Their president - their hero - their savior - Barack Obama -- says that it is government spending that made America great! Well fine! Then let's make America even greater! Spend more money on ME! These moochers rather like the life of living off of the work of others and they will vote for Obama -- if they vote at all. Voting, after all, requires effort. He's the man who will protect their parasitic lifestyle.

Shut the Fark up.

I am one of that 47% who doesn't pay in on Income Taxes.

Last year I spent most of the year on Active Duty as a National Guardsman, other than that I was at the police academy, or serving as a police officer. After the EITC and other credits/deductions, my wife (who is too ill to work) and myself got a very modest refund.

The year before that, I was on Active Duty almost all year. Again, being an enlisted man in the US Army may pay the bills, but you will never be rich. Combine that with those same credits and deductions, and we got a refund.

The years before that I was working 40 to 60 hour work weeks in a variety of blue collar jobs. My wife worked night-shift staff at a rehab center (before her health went downhill, in part due to extreme stress from her job) on 40 to 50 hour workweeks ...


So happy for your TEMPORARY happiness.
Be patient, fool, you are not an island.

BTW, that 47% pays taxes, a lot of taxes, just not the income tax (STALKING HORSE) that Romney has buttraped(actual) for the past decade.
 
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