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2012-09-18 12:43:09 PM  
I totally agree with whoever said Electric Boat.
 
2012-09-18 12:48:19 PM  
I'd like to know where you'd find a goddamn outlet to charge it.
 
2012-09-18 12:57:55 PM  

RedPhoenix122: I'd like to know where you'd find a goddamn outlet to charge it.


www.phonefav.com
 
2012-09-18 12:59:23 PM  

eas81: RedPhoenix122: I'd like to know where you'd find a goddamn outlet to charge it.

[www.phonefav.com image 400x423]


Great invention. Unfortunately, that constitutes a mobile device as well, so you can't have that if you have the phone.
 
2012-09-18 02:58:56 PM  

Makh: I totally agree with whoever said Electric Boat.


Agreed.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-18 03:51:11 PM  
GSIII owner here, but the electronic device I would take with me to a deserted island is an EPIRB.
 
2012-09-18 03:51:44 PM  
OMG not the last 50 of thousands of posts?!?!?

I mean Apple is entirely incapable of paying 40 people to post on a Facebook page, right?

No one online has ever rigged a vote of any kind for laughs...
 
2012-09-18 03:52:11 PM  
Short wave radio?
 
2012-09-18 03:52:12 PM  

Makh: I totally agree with whoever said Electric Boat.


I'd go with a sailboat. They don't need to be refueled or recharged.
 
2012-09-18 03:52:28 PM  
The biggest vibrator I can find. Because whoever finds me, alive or dead, is going to have questions.
 
2012-09-18 03:54:05 PM  
I saw that side-by-side comparison ad. Noticeably absent were Apple's App Store, Android OS viruses and fragmentation. They should just stick to copying Apple instead of trying to be original.
 
2012-09-18 03:55:19 PM  
While the Galaxy S III offers a number of clear advantages over Apple's latest iPhone, Samsung chose to highlight a number of unknown and sometimes trivial features including "Palm Touch Mute Pause" and "Shake To Update"

So they're even stealing apple's marketing campaigns?

/siri can tell you if it's raining
 
2012-09-18 03:57:37 PM  

jtown: Makh: I totally agree with whoever said Electric Boat.

I'd go with a sailboat. They don't need to be refueled or recharged.


And it will take you away to where you're going
 
2012-09-18 04:00:13 PM  
Screw bringing any type of smartphone with me. I'd take a fully charged this.
 
2012-09-18 04:00:30 PM  
ITT:

Pansy Apple hipsters whose products can do no wrong
Android lovers who are super l337 and k-rad.
and we cannot forget those to do not own a phone and only use the internets that they find laying on the ground after a barnraising.
 
2012-09-18 04:00:31 PM  
When Samsung's stupid Facebook page is always at the top of my feed, I say they deserve it.

/I'd say the same thing if Apple was always at the top of my feed.
 
2012-09-18 04:00:40 PM  

RedPhoenix122: I'd like to know where you'd find a goddamn outlet to charge it.


Also needs a goddamn outlet.
kasei.us

/hot
 
2012-09-18 04:01:02 PM  

Bullseyed: OMG not the last 50 of thousands of posts?!?!?

I mean Apple is entirely incapable of paying 40 people to post on a Facebook page, right?

No one online has ever rigged a vote of any kind for laughs...


OMG! Someone didn't finish reading the article and can't comprehend that that was a sampling!!!!111ONEONEEEE!
 
2012-09-18 04:01:08 PM  

jtown: Makh: I totally agree with whoever said Electric Boat.

I'd go with a sailboat. They don't need to be refueled or recharged.


Um, that wasn't the question.
 
2012-09-18 04:07:48 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: So they're even stealing apple's marketing campaigns?

/siri can tell you if it's raining


I picture that being useful if you're locked in the basement at the Ministry of Justice
 
2012-09-18 04:08:37 PM  
Let people who still buy iphones buy them.

If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

When they whine about all the horrible limitations of their adopted ecosystem, just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" or something equally as non confrontational.

There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.
 
2012-09-18 04:16:20 PM  

ISO15693: There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products.


Yes because there is one amazingly superior product out there that just blows everything else away.
 
2012-09-18 04:16:20 PM  

Makh: I totally agree with whoever said Electric Boat.


www.gdeb.com

Works for me. I will either escape from the island, or end up running it.

/and Cuse and Lindelof can suck my torpedo tube
 
2012-09-18 04:16:41 PM  
OH MY GOD LOL THE EGG ON THEIR FACES! I MEAN...oh...a facebook comment section? who gives a fark?
 
2012-09-18 04:17:11 PM  

Bullseyed: OMG not the last 50 of thousands of posts?!?!?

I mean Apple is entirely incapable of paying 40 people to post on a Facebook page, right?

No one online has ever rigged a vote of any kind for laughs...


If you look even now, it's not the last 50. It's the majority of replies. And really? You think Apple would pay people to do that? They don't need to. Believe it or not, some people may actually like the iPhone, and saw an opportunity for a good LoL. Crazy, I know.
 
2012-09-18 04:18:58 PM  

ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.


I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

There is a reason why iPhones still sell out on announcement day while Samsung shoots themselves in the foot in court and on Facebook.
 
2012-09-18 04:19:46 PM  
Who would choose a fscking phone, anyway? If the island is truly deserted, it will do you no good beyond a few hours of depressing entertainment; then, it's not even good for kindling.

Take a crank-powered, short-wave transmitter. Stop fellating your fruity member long enough to see how stupid you look.
 
2012-09-18 04:22:40 PM  
Hey look, some crappy blog is fellating Apple again. Who woulda thunk it?
 
2012-09-18 04:23:37 PM  

OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OMG not the last 50 of thousands of posts?!?!?

I mean Apple is entirely incapable of paying 40 people to post on a Facebook page, right?

No one online has ever rigged a vote of any kind for laughs...

If you look even now, it's not the last 50. It's the majority of replies. And really? You think Apple would pay people to do that? They don't need to. Believe it or not, some people may actually like the iPhone, and saw an opportunity for a good LoL. Crazy, I know.


I'll ignore that you put League of Legends instead of laughing out loud, but yeah, good job repeating what I said in the post you quoted.
 
2012-09-18 04:23:57 PM  
Speak of the devil, just checked and sure enough, Samsung AND Walmart spamming my newsfeed:

i.imgur.com 

They also have Sponsored news stories that show up even though I haven't "Liked" their page. Constantly.
 
2012-09-18 04:24:53 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

There is a reason why iPhones still sell out on announcement day while Samsung shoots themselves in the foot in court and on Facebook.


Because Apple can't handle hiring a competent supply chain manager?

Or maybe it is because Samsung is too busy making screens and processors and memory for their phones to bother making more for Apple.
 
2012-09-18 04:25:00 PM  

Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OMG not the last 50 of thousands of posts?!?!?

I mean Apple is entirely incapable of paying 40 people to post on a Facebook page, right?

No one online has ever rigged a vote of any kind for laughs...

If you look even now, it's not the last 50. It's the majority of replies. And really? You think Apple would pay people to do that? They don't need to. Believe it or not, some people may actually like the iPhone, and saw an opportunity for a good LoL. Crazy, I know.

I'll ignore that you put League of Legends instead of laughing out loud, but yeah, good job repeating what I said in the post you quoted.


Good job editing out the idiotic "Apple paid someone to do this" part though.
 
2012-09-18 04:26:01 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

There is a reason why iPhones still sell out on announcement day while Samsung shoots themselves in the foot in court and on Facebook.


There's also a reason why Android phones have 68% of the market now compared to apple's 17%,

"Selling out on announcement day" is a PR stunt, and you probably know that.

Sorry to have enraged you though. I wasn't aiming my comments at you, obviously.
 
2012-09-18 04:26:58 PM  

OriginalGamer: Speak of the devil, just checked and sure enough, Samsung AND Walmart spamming my newsfeed:

[i.imgur.com image 850x637] 

They also have Sponsored news stories that show up even though I haven't "Liked" their page. Constantly.


I heard posting the full names of your friends online is a great idea btw.


Prepare for waves of wiener pics.
 
2012-09-18 04:27:26 PM  

OriginalGamer: Speak of the devil, just checked and sure enough, Samsung AND Walmart spamming my newsfeed:


You have only yourself to blame for that. Tools exist to block those things. The only time I even see a popup for an ad on Facebook -- blank, mind you -- is when I allow Facebook Connect through the filters long enough to play a game of Scrabble Words With Friends.
 
2012-09-18 04:27:43 PM  

bighairyguy: I saw that side-by-side comparison ad. Noticeably absent were Apple's App Store, Android OS viruses and fragmentation. They should just stick to copying Apple instead of trying to be original.


Fragmentation is frequently a feature of a single model of phone, I hear.
 
2012-09-18 04:27:48 PM  

OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OMG not the last 50 of thousands of posts?!?!?

I mean Apple is entirely incapable of paying 40 people to post on a Facebook page, right?

No one online has ever rigged a vote of any kind for laughs...

If you look even now, it's not the last 50. It's the majority of replies. And really? You think Apple would pay people to do that? They don't need to. Believe it or not, some people may actually like the iPhone, and saw an opportunity for a good LoL. Crazy, I know.

I'll ignore that you put League of Legends instead of laughing out loud, but yeah, good job repeating what I said in the post you quoted.

Good job editing out the idiotic "Apple paid someone to do this" part though.


There is no edit button on Fark. Gosh you're stupid...
 
2012-09-18 04:28:38 PM  

OriginalGamer: Speak of the devil, just checked and sure enough, Samsung AND Walmart spamming my newsfeed:

[i.imgur.com image 850x637] 

They also have Sponsored news stories that show up even though I haven't "Liked" their page. Constantly.


They're trying to tell you that your friends all look like People of Walmart.
 
2012-09-18 04:29:15 PM  

Bullseyed: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

There is a reason why iPhones still sell out on announcement day while Samsung shoots themselves in the foot in court and on Facebook.

Because Apple can't handle hiring a competent supply chain manager?

Or maybe it is because Samsung is too busy making screens and processors and memory for their phones to bother making more for Apple.


Actually, it's because without artificially creating a reason to get people to line up on launch day, Apple'd miss out on the media storm that follows their releases as well as pulling in people who are dumb enough to think there's some sort of exclusivity involved. If you could stroll into any retailer and buy an iPhone 5 on launch day with no wait, there'd be nowhere near the hype we're seeing right now. If there's one thing Apple does well, it's play the consumer like a fiddle.
 
2012-09-18 04:29:42 PM  

ISO15693: There's also a reason why Android phones have 68% of the market now compared to apple's 17%


Because 60+ phone models use Android, compared to
 
2012-09-18 04:29:45 PM  

ISO15693: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

There is a reason why iPhones still sell out on announcement day while Samsung shoots themselves in the foot in court and on Facebook.

There's also a reason why Android phones have 68% of the market now compared to apple's 17%,

"Selling out on announcement day" is a PR stunt, and you probably know that.

Sorry to have enraged you though. I wasn't aiming my comments at you, obviously.


Yeah, but its worth noting that only Apple makes iPhones, and all sorts of companies roll out Android sets. Kind of unfair to say "haha! 2,034 companies combined outsell Apple!"

It will be interesting to see how well the iPhone 5 sells when compared to a specific Android phone such as the Galaxy S3.

Ok, I'm out now. Don't want to fall back into old bad habits.
 
2012-09-18 04:30:30 PM  

ISO15693: "Selling out on announcement day" is a PR stunt.


And citing statistics that compare the market share of fifty different phones against one or two isn't disingenuous at all, right?
 
2012-09-18 04:30:37 PM  

CAADbury: ISO15693: There's also a reason why Android phones have 68% of the market now compared to apple's 17%

Because 60+ phone models use Android, compared to


HTML. How does it work?

"Because 60+ phone models use Android, compared to less than 10 that use iOS?"
 
2012-09-18 04:31:54 PM  

Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OMG not the last 50 of thousands of posts?!?!?

I mean Apple is entirely incapable of paying 40 people to post on a Facebook page, right?

No one online has ever rigged a vote of any kind for laughs...

If you look even now, it's not the last 50. It's the majority of replies. And really? You think Apple would pay people to do that? They don't need to. Believe it or not, some people may actually like the iPhone, and saw an opportunity for a good LoL. Crazy, I know.

I'll ignore that you put League of Legends instead of laughing out loud, but yeah, good job repeating what I said in the post you quoted.

Good job editing out the idiotic "Apple paid someone to do this" part though.

There is no edit button on Fark. Gosh you're stupid...


Sigh, back for one specific response.

I meant the fact that he was bolding only part of his original post, and ignoring the point of my reply, that a claim of Apple paying someone to post those Facebook replies was kinda dumb.
 
2012-09-18 04:32:10 PM  
People trolling a facebook post? Thanks Ric.
 
2012-09-18 04:38:47 PM  
Are hookers electric?
 
2012-09-18 04:38:53 PM  

goatan: They should have known this would happen, apple fanboys are like RON PAUL supporters.


Meh, apple fanbois, android fanbois, they are all equally idiots.
 
2012-09-18 04:41:12 PM  

ISO15693:
There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.


You've become what you despise.
 
2012-09-18 04:44:21 PM  

CAADbury: CAADbury: ISO15693: There's also a reason why Android phones have 68% of the market now compared to apple's 17%

Because 60+ phone models use Android, compared to

HTML. How does it work?

"Because 60+ phone models use Android, compared to less than 10 that use iOS?"


You do realize that simply building phones doesnt garner market share, right?

/My friends iPhone battery died. I asked if he wanted one from Fry's while I was there, and he started to cry.
 
2012-09-18 04:45:59 PM  

ISO15693: Let people who still buy iphones buy them.

If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

When they whine about all the horrible limitations of their adopted ecosystem, just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" or something equally as non confrontational.

There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.


So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios. I know that doesn't fit into your "religion of appearance" remark, but what it does do is point out what an absolute hypocrite you are,.....yah android is better at everything and you wonder why people call you an androitard.
 
2012-09-18 04:47:03 PM  
www.seogate.net

"Siri, is it raining outside?"

scienceblogs.com

 
2012-09-18 04:50:24 PM  
How did this "accidentally promote iPhone"?

Do you think people who signed up for Samsung's facebook page will be like, "Oh wow, everyone is getting the competition, maybe I better too...."

Saying Subby is clueless doesn't promote me.

/no offense, Subby
//but I'll take a subby to get off an islandy
 
2012-09-18 05:00:46 PM  

Russky: goatan: They should have known this would happen, apple fanboys are like RON PAUL supporters.

Meh, apple fanbois, android fanbois, they are all equally idiots.


I know, right? Fark needs a mobile device tab. It would be like the Politics tab and Geek tab got wasted on cheap wine and had a baby with fetal alcohol syndrome or something.
 
2012-09-18 05:03:51 PM  
Yeah, I bet Samsung is devastated. It isn't like those iPhones are full of Samsung hardware or anything.
 
2012-09-18 05:07:30 PM  
A boat.

Or a fully-charged satellite phone because JESUS CHRIST I'M ON A DESERTED ISLAND! HELP!
 
2012-09-18 05:14:53 PM  

Russky: So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios. I know that doesn't fit into your "religion of appearance" remark, but what it does do is point out what an absolute hypocrite you are,.....yah android is better at everything and you wonder why people call you an androitard.

Input

lag? For mics and the like? Honestly, my suggestion would be if you plan on doing serious recording you don't use a phone or tablet. That's sort of like complaining that your iPad can't handle editing uncompressed 4k in real time.

For what it's worth, if the input lag is really that much better on iOS, they probably put specific effort into it so that GarageBand would be usable, not because of any overarching attention to quality.
 
2012-09-18 05:22:22 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Russky: So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios. I know that doesn't fit into your "religion of appearance" remark, but what it does do is point out what an absolute hypocrite you are,.....yah android is better at everything and you wonder why people call you an androitard.

Input lag? For mics and the like? Honestly, my suggestion would be if you plan on doing serious recording you don't use a phone or tablet. That's sort of like complaining that your iPad can't handle editing uncompressed 4k in real time.

For what it's worth, if the input lag is really that much better on iOS, they probably put specific effort into it so that GarageBand would be usable, not because of any overarching attention to quality.


Right because i use a tablet to record for fun, instead i should setup a full studio with a computer because it's better quality.....kind of like anything on a full blown computer, then why would nayone use a tablet?

Well whatever makes you feel better, but it's quite a difference between 100ms + lag and 10 ms lag. Sorry to burst the android bubble.
 
2012-09-18 05:25:29 PM  

Russky: ProfessorOhki: Russky: So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios. I know that doesn't fit into your "religion of appearance" remark, but what it does do is point out what an absolute hypocrite you are,.....yah android is better at everything and you wonder why people call you an androitard.

Input lag? For mics and the like? Honestly, my suggestion would be if you plan on doing serious recording you don't use a phone or tablet. That's sort of like complaining that your iPad can't handle editing uncompressed 4k in real time.

For what it's worth, if the input lag is really that much better on iOS, they probably put specific effort into it so that GarageBand would be usable, not because of any overarching attention to quality.

Right because i use a tablet to record for fun, instead i should setup a full studio with a computer because it's better quality.....kind of like anything on a full blown computer, then why would nayone use a tablet?

Well whatever makes you feel better, but it's quite a difference between 100ms + lag and 10 ms lag. Sorry to burst the android bubble.


Don't be a dick, it just looks like he was trying to be helpful.
 
2012-09-18 05:30:52 PM  

ISO15693: Let people who still buy iphones buy them.

If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

When they whine about all the horrible limitations of their adopted ecosystem, just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" or something equally as non confrontational.

There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.


This.
 
2012-09-18 05:33:20 PM  

xsarien: A boat.

Or a fully-charged satellite phone because JESUS CHRIST I'M ON A DESERTED ISLAND! HELP!


Yeah, would also like to know what good a cell phone would do with no towers and no wi-fi.
 
2012-09-18 05:34:41 PM  

OriginalGamer: Yeah, but its worth noting that only Apple makes iPhones, and all sorts of companies roll out Android sets. Kind of unfair to say "haha! 2,034 companies combined outsell Apple!"


Nothing unfair about it at all. Apple chooses not to allow others into their ecosystem, just as they do on the desktop. That choice will eventually result in them fading into obscurity on mobile as well, just like they have done on the desktop.
 
2012-09-18 05:38:22 PM  
"If you could only take one electronic device on a deserted island, what would it be?"

Fleshlight
 
2012-09-18 05:39:16 PM  
or a EPIRB
 
2012-09-18 05:46:32 PM  

gweilo8888: OriginalGamer: Yeah, but its worth noting that only Apple makes iPhones, and all sorts of companies roll out Android sets. Kind of unfair to say "haha! 2,034 companies combined outsell Apple!"

Nothing unfair about it at all. Apple chooses not to allow others into their ecosystem, just as they do on the desktop. That choice will eventually result in them fading into obscurity on mobile as well, just like they have done on the desktop.


Or perhaps they've just realized that it's possibly to run a highly profitable company without obsessing over market share, allowing them to avoid the inevitable "race to the bottom" and the razor-thin profit margins that result when you're in a competition with every other manufacturer and the only way you can think to do that is by lowering prices.
 
2012-09-18 05:50:48 PM  

ScottRiqui: Or perhaps they've just realized that it's possibly to run a highly profitable company without obsessing over market share, allowing them to avoid the inevitable "race to the bottom" and the razor-thin profit margins that result when you're in a competition with every other manufacturer and the only way you can think to do that is by lowering prices.


Possible? Yes, for a time. Some people will pay way over the odds for equal or worse hardware and a relatively closed ecosystem, just to be "cool" or because it looks pretty. The fact Macs haven't completely disappeared is proof of that.

Sustainable as a viable company? Not really. Which is why Apple got into the iDevice game, because their desktops were languishing and eventually the company would have failed. Problem is they haven't understood why they failed first time, and they're shooting to repeat the experiment.
 
2012-09-18 05:55:59 PM  
Samsung is the Mitt Romney of consumer electronic manufacturers.
 
2012-09-18 06:09:25 PM  

gweilo8888: ISO15693: Let people who still buy iphones buy them.

If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

When they whine about all the horrible limitations of their adopted ecosystem, just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" or something equally as non confrontational.

There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.

This.


You didn't catch the total hypocrisy of this post?
 
2012-09-18 06:16:33 PM  

gweilo8888: ScottRiqui: Or perhaps they've just realized that it's possibly to run a highly profitable company without obsessing over market share, allowing them to avoid the inevitable "race to the bottom" and the razor-thin profit margins that result when you're in a competition with every other manufacturer and the only way you can think to do that is by lowering prices.

Possible? Yes, for a time. Some people will pay way over the odds for equal or worse hardware and a relatively closed ecosystem, just to be "cool" or because it looks pretty. The fact Macs haven't completely disappeared is proof of that.

Sustainable as a viable company? Not really. Which is why Apple got into the iDevice game, because their desktops were languishing and eventually the company would have failed. Problem is they haven't understood why they failed first time, and they're shooting to repeat the experiment.


Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731
 
2012-09-18 06:24:09 PM  

ISO15693: Let people who still buy iphones buy them.

If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

When they whine about all the horrible limitations of their adopted ecosystem, just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" or something equally as non confrontational.

There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.


This is either a brilliant troll, or you just proved my point. Fan droids are just as bad as iTards. Specs alone do not a good phone make.

/Xoom, HTC One X, iPhone 4.
 
2012-09-18 06:26:38 PM  

ISO15693: CAADbury: CAADbury: ISO15693: There's also a reason why Android phones have 68% of the market now compared to apple's 17%

Because 60+ phone models use Android, compared to

HTML. How does it work?

"Because 60+ phone models use Android, compared to less than 10 that use iOS?"

You do realize that simply building phones doesnt garner market share, right?


/My friends iPhone battery died. I asked if he wanted one from Fry's while I was there, and he started to cry.


It doesn't, however think of the reasons they would be ahead. For instance people that have Sprint or T-mobile (so there is only 1 smart phone OS option), or they are with Verizon and AT&T and don't want to put out $200-300 for a cellphone but you want a smart phone. Also you probably get people that were on Verizon that might want to change or try iOS, but don't change because of the apps they bought and they data that's already in those apps. It's not like it's a easy thing to move between the two platforms.

If Apple had 50% of the market that would be remarkable, that would mean the vast majority of people on AT&T and Verizon have iPhones. I expect if you had iPhones on every carrier you'd get much closer to a 50-50 split...with some dumbasses still using Blackberry.
 
2012-09-18 06:30:23 PM  
why would you have internet access on a DESERT island???
 
2012-09-18 06:30:37 PM  

Russky: Right because i use a tablet to record for fun, instead i should setup a full studio with a computer because it's better quality.....kind of like anything on a full blown computer, then why would nayone use a tablet?

Well whatever makes you feel better, but it's quite a difference between 100ms + lag and 10 ms lag. Sorry to burst the android bubble.


Took the words out of my mouth. Let me put it another way: would a laptop or even a desktop be any less portable than any of your other gear? If you're hauling around instruments and amps, what difference does it make if the recording device is 1.5lbs or 5lbs?

Really though, I'm not excusing Android, audio support on 'nix platforms has always been hit-or-miss. I'm just saying that Apple had a specific interest in audio because of GarageBand. Otherwise, it's a fairly minor feature given what percentage of their respective user-bases are going to try to use it for recording of an even remotely serious nature. 99% of the use the mic port sees is wired phone headsets and even those are uncommon these days.

As far as "whole studio," business, that's a false dichotomy and you know it. I don't even touch audio and I know there are multi-channel <2ms lag USB/Firewire capture devices out there for less than the cost of iPad-level tablet. You could plug one into a 13 year-old laptop and have better recording.
 
2012-09-18 06:39:43 PM  

probesport: GSIII owner here, but the electronic device I would take with me to a deserted island is an EPIRB.


i.huffpost.com

ERMAHGERD! I READ EPIRBS ON MY IPAD TOO!
 
2012-09-18 06:40:58 PM  

Bullseyed: Because Apple can't handle hiring a competent supply chain manager?


Um, if Apple's supply-chain folks were any more competent, they would be able to conjure cell-phone parts out of thin air by waving their arms and chanting Klaatu barada nikto.
 
2012-09-18 06:42:21 PM  

joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731


The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.
 
2012-09-18 06:45:28 PM  

pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.


Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy
 
2012-09-18 06:54:59 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy


I heard PC's can do that now-a-days too.

OH, and before I forget to finish my CSB

I had a hard drive go bad in my NAS and this girl seriously said "well you should have gotten a Mac." I wanted to drop kick her in the cootch. Followed by praying to gremlins that her hard drive dies with everything on it.
 
2012-09-18 06:55:24 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.

Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy


Or you could buy a PC and install Linux and save a few hundred for the same specs.
 
2012-09-18 06:59:31 PM  

pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.


Here are some other responses for your list:

Although I use both every day, I prefer OS X to Windows.

Aesthetics matter to me; I prefer single-piece milled aluminum to snap-together molded plastic. I prefer laser-engraving and silkscreening to stickers.

I prefer glass to plastic.

I prefer fine-pitch stainless steel screws that are threaded into actual metal inserts, rather than coarse-pitch mild steel screws that are fastened into molded plastic threads.

For laptops, I like thin and light. While I do realize that Apple isn't the only company that offers thin and light laptops, the ones from other companies that are equally thin and light don't have much of a price advantage. Plus, they run Windows (see my Weeners).

Use whatever you like, and I'll do the same. But don't presume to know *why* I've made the choice I have, or that I haven't explored the alternatives.
 
2012-09-18 07:08:34 PM  

OriginalGamer: Yeah, but its worth noting that only Apple makes iPhones, and all sorts of companies roll out Android sets. Kind of unfair to say "haha! 2,034 companies combined outsell Apple!"


when you are deciding which platform to make your target for software development yes that is a fair comparison, there is no law that says apple cannot license ios to other manufacturers.

/however phones sales numbers are not the only factor to consider, in particular iPhone users are more easily separated from their money
 
2012-09-18 07:09:37 PM  

OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OMG not the last 50 of thousands of posts?!?!?

I mean Apple is entirely incapable of paying 40 people to post on a Facebook page, right?

No one online has ever rigged a vote of any kind for laughs...

If you look even now, it's not the last 50. It's the majority of replies. And really? You think Apple would pay people to do that? They don't need to. Believe it or not, some people may actually like the iPhone, and saw an opportunity for a good LoL. Crazy, I know.

I'll ignore that you put League of Legends instead of laughing out loud, but yeah, good job repeating what I said in the post you quoted.

Good job editing out the idiotic "Apple paid someone to do this" part though.

There is no edit button on Fark. Gosh you're stupid...

Sigh, back for one specific response.

I meant the fact that he was bolding only part of his original post, and ignoring the point of my reply, that a claim of Apple paying someone to post those Facebook replies was kinda dumb.


Not that I have a bone in this, but I fathomed right away that he was making a valid point. That point was that you essentially agreed with his overall statement, that this was people having fun with Samsung, yet you came at him in an attacking pose.

So yeah, sorry bro but you're the dumbass here, no offense intended but it's just obvious. And just in case you don't get it, here's where it is explained in plain English for you:

good job repeating what I said in the post you quoted.

If I could do more than bold/italic/BIG it, I would just to make sure you comprehended this time.
 
2012-09-18 07:12:56 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

There is a reason why iPhones still sell out on announcement day while Samsung shoots themselves in the foot in court and on Facebook.


S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.
 
2012-09-18 07:15:35 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy


Saying Apple products are Unix-based at this point in their development makes almost as much sense as saying Windows 7 PCs are DOS-based.

I use both. I don't hate either.

I do find Apple's markup on previous-generation hardware to be just this side of high comedy, however.
 
2012-09-18 07:20:08 PM  

joness0154: gweilo8888: ScottRiqui: Or perhaps they've just realized that it's possibly to run a highly profitable company without obsessing over market share, allowing them to avoid the inevitable "race to the bottom" and the razor-thin profit margins that result when you're in a competition with every other manufacturer and the only way you can think to do that is by lowering prices.

Possible? Yes, for a time. Some people will pay way over the odds for equal or worse hardware and a relatively closed ecosystem, just to be "cool" or because it looks pretty. The fact Macs haven't completely disappeared is proof of that.

Sustainable as a viable company? Not really. Which is why Apple got into the iDevice game, because their desktops were languishing and eventually the company would have failed. Problem is they haven't understood why they failed first time, and they're shooting to repeat the experiment.

Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731


When your market share is "sweet FA", it's fairly simple to increase it to "almost a whisper".
 
2012-09-18 07:20:35 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Jon iz teh kewl: pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.

Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy

Or you could buy a PC and install Linux and save a few hundred for the same specs.


You could, but you could run into dozens of gremlins if you don't very carefully spec out your machine. Even a minor revision in the model number of a given device can mean the difference between full kernel support and absolutely none.

There's a reason Linus Torvalds (the guy who created the Linux kernel) chooses to use a Mac laptop; the hardware is a very small subset that Apple already marries to a Unix-like OS, therefore Linux support for it is early and robust. Of course, he can afford to buy one too.

For the rest of us poor Unix geeks, our choices lie with going in debt for an Apple laptop, buying a cheap Windows laptop and using Cygwin and/or virtualization, or spending the time and stretching the budget to the max looking for a particularly Linux-friendly machine. 

Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".
 
2012-09-18 07:26:04 PM  

TNel: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

There is a reason why iPhones still sell out on announcement day while Samsung shoots themselves in the foot in court and on Facebook.

S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.


Do "presales" mean the same thing in both cases? I thought the 2 million figure was the number of units that Apple had ready to ship immediately on the release date, not simply the total number of orders placed before the release date. That 2 million figure was just in the first 24 hours, but Apple is still taking orders - they just won't ship for 2-3 weeks.
 
2012-09-18 07:27:32 PM  
I'd do this to Motorola if they hadn't banned me from interacting with their facebook page for encouraging people to let their friends know how Motorola has treated Bionic owners with lies after lies.
 
2012-09-18 07:33:24 PM  

ScottRiqui: TNel: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

Do "presales" mean the same thing in both cases? I thought the 2 million figure was the number of units that Apple had ready to ship immediately on the release date, not simply the total number of orders placed before the release date. That 2 million figure was just in the first 24 hours, but Apple is still taking orders - they just won't ship for 2-3 weeks.


If it wasn't don't you think apple would be toting that number instead?
 
2012-09-18 07:33:44 PM  

gweilo8888: When your market share is "sweet FA", it's fairly simple to increase it to "almost a whisper".


Did you look at the linked sales figures? Apple's in third place with ~13% of U.S. sales, behind Dell at ~22% and HP at ~29%. Apple's sales numbers aren't exactly a "rounding error" compared to the others companies', so you can't pin all of their growth on the "tyranny of small numbers".
 
2012-09-18 07:34:04 PM  

Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".


ummm, solaris x86?
 
2012-09-18 07:37:44 PM  

TNel: ScottRiqui: TNel: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

Do "presales" mean the same thing in both cases? I thought the 2 million figure was the number of units that Apple had ready to ship immediately on the release date, not simply the total number of orders placed before the release date. That 2 million figure was just in the first 24 hours, but Apple is still taking orders - they just won't ship for 2-3 weeks.

If it wasn't don't you think apple would be toting that number instead?


TNel: ScottRiqui: TNel: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

Do "presales" mean the same thing in both cases? I thought the 2 million figure was the number of units that Apple had ready to ship immediately on the release date, not simply the total number of orders placed before the release date. That 2 million figure was just in the first 24 hours, but Apple is still taking orders - they just won't ship for 2-3 weeks.

If it wasn't don't you think apple would be toting that number instead?


Well, if "presales" include all orders placed prior to the release date, then it's not correct to say that "Apple HAD 2 million presales" (i.e. referring to their presales as if they're finished). Presales are still ongoing; those 2 million were just in the first day.
 
2012-09-18 07:37:47 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?


You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.
 
2012-09-18 07:39:31 PM  

TNel: S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.


Uh, gee, maybe the one that got there in an hour.
 
2012-09-18 07:43:49 PM  

Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.


not sure... all of our boxen are sparc, so I don't pay attention to the x86 licensing. wouldn't surprise me though... oracle seems to like doing that kind of stuff.
 
2012-09-18 07:46:15 PM  

Russky: So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios.


Apparently, the last time you looked was before Jellybean dropped
 
2012-09-18 07:49:48 PM  

Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.


How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.
 
2012-09-18 08:01:51 PM  

A Shambling Mound: Jon iz teh kewl: Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy

Saying Apple products are Unix-based at this point in their development makes almost as much sense as saying Windows 7 PCs are DOS-based.

I use both. I don't hate either.

I do find Apple's markup on previous-generation hardware to be just this side of high comedy, however.


Not quite. Windows *was* DOS based, and no longer isn't. OS X (and iOS) is *still* *nix based, and because of that porting from Linux to OS X is fairly trivial (See WINE, command line tools, etc).
 
2012-09-18 08:03:40 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.

How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.


Exactly. OS X and iOS both share the Darwin kernel (and most system libraries, etc. iOS is essentially a Mac OS X port to ARM with a different 'skin'. And it is all based off Unix.
 
2012-09-18 08:18:53 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.

How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.


Yes but how well does plain old Darwin run on commodity hardware? That was kind of my point. If we really want to continue down this road though, there's Plan9 and HURD to consider, as well as BeOS/Haiku (not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts).
 
2012-09-18 08:19:48 PM  
hi guys

not an Apple fanboi. I find most of the Apple computers, Macbooks and what have you to be geared toward people who hate computers.

I have owned approximately two Apple products in my lifetime. An 80gb iPod I received as a gift, like, back in '06? '07? I dunno. I've had it forever and I carry all my music around with me and it hasn't died yet. it's a wonderful piece of machinery, and I haven't bought another mp3 player because, well, I haven't needed one. I've gotten way more than my money's worth out of this farking thing.

I also have an iPhone. a 3GS. It was my first jump into having a smartphone, which I'd shied away from largely because of oppressive data costs and most places I'd be using it, there's a computer or a laptop I could just as easily use. I got it right before the 4 came out. I was buying already old tech because I was getting a bargain. and for the last twoish years, it's done everything I have ever wanted it to. I mean, don't get me wrong, functionality I'd like to have has been added to subsequent phones, but it's served me well and is only now *really* showing its age. I played with a lot of phones in the store that day, and it came down to this one and a.. I don't even remember what it was. but the UI just felt nicer on the 3GS. Whatever. Just how it felt at the time.

Truth is, the whole sterile, made for people who hate computers aspects that make Apple computers so repugnant to me actually work really well as a phone, IMO.

And yes, there are things Android phones do that iPhones don't, but none of them are things I need a phone to do.

I'm picking up an iPhone 5 mostly because of how world weary my phone has become, coupled with the likelihood that the OS update will choke the 3GS harder than any of the updates it's seen. I've played with a lot of Android phones and they just don't feel quite as good and natural or intuitive to me. It's not that "ooh they're not Apple products" or whatever. I don't really care about power or dick waggling specs or brand loyalty. I like my phone, and if the iPhone 5 is basically promising more of the same experience, adjusted for improvements made in the last so many years, well, I like that.

Yesterday my coworker picked up my phone and placed it next to his, and said "wow, your whole phone basically fits in my screen" and went on about how much better Android phones are. That seemed sort of fanboyish to me, but I smiled and went about my day.

I've never had a team iPhone jizz session with folks who also have iPhones, and yet the two dudes in my department with Android phones are doing this constantly. I'm not sure what they're compensating for.

I hear a lot of Android owners talk about what a closed system iPhones are on and that it limits the potential. I remember a lot of this same talk from PS3 fanboys about the potential of the Cell processor and teraflops and what have you (which is funny because Sony is going in a completely different architecture route with the PS4 while all that potential goes wasted), but it seems to me that most folks, the average smartphone user, is a lot like the average PC user, mostly using this for email and internet, many of whom think Facebook IS the internet. I'm glad the very few people who will actually maximize the potential of an open system have phones that satisfy those urges.

I don't even remember why I started writing this post.
 
2012-09-18 08:45:00 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: TNel: S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.

Uh, gee, maybe the one that got there in an hour.


Sure we'll see once its out which sales more and I bet the S3 will handily trounce it.
 
2012-09-18 08:51:11 PM  

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I've never had a team iPhone jizz session with folks who also have iPhones, and yet the two dudes in my department with Android phones are doing this constantly. I'm not sure what they're compensating for.


Man, those of us who work at home miss so much...
 
2012-09-18 08:59:13 PM  

TNel: Man On Pink Corner: TNel: S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.

Uh, gee, maybe the one that got there in an hour.

Sure we'll see once its out which sales more and I bet the S3 will handily trounce it.


What metric are you proposing to compare sales? You obviously use FY2012 sales, since the fiscal year is almost over. FY2013 sales wouldn't be fair if the replacement for the S3 comes out during that time. Plus it wouldn't count the period of fastest sales for the S3. You could wait until both phones have been replaced by newer versions, but that wouldn't be an accurate comparison if one phone has a longer sales life than the other.

We could use worldwide sales in the first 100 days, since we know that figure for the S3 (20 million). We might have to make an educated guess as the iPhone 5 sales during the first 100 days, since that number doesn't seem to be available for the earlier iterations of the iPhone.

I guess we'll probably hear about it when the iPhone 5 sales hit 20 million, though - we'll just have to see whether it takes greater or fewer than 100 days.
 
2012-09-18 09:00:02 PM  

Makh: I totally agree with whoever said Electric Boat.


I busted out laughing at that when I saw it in the pic... but they're right!!!!!
 
2012-09-18 09:00:16 PM  
Make that "you obviously CAN'T use FY2012 sales"
 
2012-09-18 09:06:09 PM  

ScottRiqui: gweilo8888: When your market share is "sweet FA", it's fairly simple to increase it to "almost a whisper".

Did you look at the linked sales figures? Apple's in third place with ~13% of U.S. sales, behind Dell at ~22% and HP at ~29%. Apple's sales numbers aren't exactly a "rounding error" compared to the others companies', so you can't pin all of their growth on the "tyranny of small numbers".


Even if the 13% is real (and frankly, I doubt it; it will be ignoring all sorts of things like homebuilt PCs, local PC store-assembled machines, etc., etc., 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly dominant PC platform.

But yeah, keep patting yourself on the back. You're doing a super job. Super, I say.
 
2012-09-18 09:28:09 PM  

Cthulhain: HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.

How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.

Yes but how well does plain old Darwin run on commodity hardware? That was kind of my point. If we really want to continue down this road though, there's Plan9 and HURD to consider, as well as BeOS/Haiku (not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts).


Yes, Darwin can run on commodity hardware.

And if we're going to get into "not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts"... well... how about Linux?
 
2012-09-18 09:49:25 PM  

gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.


dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-09-18 09:51:22 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.

How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.

Yes but how well does plain old Darwin run on commodity hardware? That was kind of my point. If we really want to continue down this road though, there's Plan9 and HURD to consider, as well as BeOS/Haiku (not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts).

Yes, Darwin can run on commodity hardware.

And if we're going to get into "not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts"... well... how about Linux?


Indeed it does. I actually know someone working on a binary compatible iOS clone for generic ARM hardware using the Darwin kernel and replacing closed source Apple libraries with open source equivalents:

Link
 
2012-09-18 09:52:29 PM  

HeartBurnKid:
Yes, Darwin can run on commodity hardware.


Can we get some reading comprehension please? I asked "how well does Darwin run on commodity hardware". From your own link:

"One current goal of this project is to provide a useful bootable ISO of Darwin 10.x and Darwin 9.x."

In other words, it doesn't even boot from CD yet on most hardware. Most of the screenshots on the site are either Darwin running on a Mac (which is kinda "duh") or on VMware. There was exactly one screenshot of it on a PC, and it was a photograph instead of screen capture because all they have so far is a bare terminal. Hell, Haiku is further along than this; on my Sony laptop everything but the webcam and proprietary media button panel is fully supported, and I can use it as a productive computer.

And if we're going to get into "not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts"... well... how about Linux?

So tell me again how Linux is not a Unix-like OS compared to Plan9, SyllableOS, Haiku or half a dozen other obscure OSes? Linux has always been Unix-like, more so than anything except actual Unix-derived OSes like the BSDs, Darwin, and Solaris. The biggest difference is in the licensing, and personally I've always been partial to the BSD licenses rather than GNU.
 
2012-09-18 10:05:01 PM  
Whoops, should clarify my link above actually uses a fork of the Linux kernel now, not the Darwin kernel. Still a very cool project either way!
 
2012-09-18 10:08:27 PM  

OriginalGamer: Still a very cool project either way!


It definitely has potential, thank you for linking it. Going into my "cool tech" bookmark folder. :-)
 
2012-09-18 10:09:00 PM  

Cthulhain: HeartBurnKid:
Yes, Darwin can run on commodity hardware.

Can we get some reading comprehension please? I asked "how well does Darwin run on commodity hardware". From your own link:

"One current goal of this project is to provide a useful bootable ISO of Darwin 10.x and Darwin 9.x."

In other words, it doesn't even boot from CD yet on most hardware. Most of the screenshots on the site are either Darwin running on a Mac (which is kinda "duh") or on VMware. There was exactly one screenshot of it on a PC, and it was a photograph instead of screen capture because all they have so far is a bare terminal. Hell, Haiku is further along than this; on my Sony laptop everything but the webcam and proprietary media button panel is fully supported, and I can use it as a productive computer.

And if we're going to get into "not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts"... well... how about Linux?

So tell me again how Linux is not a Unix-like OS compared to Plan9, SyllableOS, Haiku or half a dozen other obscure OSes? Linux has always been Unix-like, more so than anything except actual Unix-derived OSes like the BSDs, Darwin, and Solaris. The biggest difference is in the licensing, and personally I've always been partial to the BSD licenses rather than GNU.


I think you missed my point somewhere. You're the one who was going on about how Linux doesn't count because it's not Unix.

As for Darwin, there was a project called OpenDarwin that actually was production-ready, but is discontinued. I got PureDarwin confused with it. Sorry.
 
2012-09-18 10:13:45 PM  
go go samsung
 
2012-09-18 10:16:03 PM  
Ok, you guys... this argument, it's an old argument, and neither side has done anything to make anything better, but what it comes down to, isn't a generalization of "which device is better?" but "which device is better for the general person?"

Pointing out the main differences between each product, really an iPhone is only good for a certain kind of user and an Android phone is only good for a certain type of user. Otherwise most people could go for either and be just fine, it's a matter of what their preference is.

I won't lie, I'm a huge android fan, but that's because it caters to my tastes. My girlfriend is hoping to get an iPhone when she can upgrade and my best friend just got a Galaxy S3 (same phone I have).
It's about what works best for you, my girlfriend likes Mac products, and while I've had a few macbooks and an itouch, android excites my jimmies.

And on the topic of desktop computers, I went with Windows a long time ago because my games run without much work on them. With Mac, you'll have to buy a seperate program to be able to play the same games as Windows on the bleeding edge, otherwise you can wait two to four years to get the game later on Mac.

So, because I have all this Windows software, switching to Mac doesn't cut it for me, although as a musician, I think I'd have a lot of fun playing with Garage band, or using an iPhone or iPad to assist with any recordings I do, but it isn't practical for me.

If, Steam comes full force to Linux, I would gladly jump off Microsofts train and go to Ubuntu (sure it's bloated, but not as bad as Windows) to play my games, but I doubt they'll have a program included that allows games to run (sorry, but Steam's support is shiat).

So, Mac, while pretty interesting in some aspects, just doesn't fit me practically and that is why I keep my android and windows devices.

But, while for me, spending that much on an apple device is impractical, it doesn't mean it's impractical for everyone. I have a number of friends who are musicians who aren't also avid gamers, for them purchasing a Macbook or iPhone makes total sense. Sure, the markup on hardware is a little silly, but with Mac you aren't just buying hardware, you're buying a hardware and software experience that work together.

While with Windows, I enjoy that I can put anything I want on it, I have the choice to abandon any kind of experience Microsoft wants to give me and make it my own - I'm not paying for the priveldge of having some kind of Microsoft experience, I'm paying for hardware to give myself any experience I want.
 
2012-09-18 10:19:58 PM  

BullBearMS: gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.

[dl.dropbox.com image 619x480]


Made up figures are made up.
 
2012-09-18 10:21:00 PM  
...and not only that, even when they're made up, they STILL show PCs dominating over Macs by a factor of 19 times.
 
2012-09-18 10:23:25 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: HeartBurnKid:


I think you missed my point somewhere. You're the one who was going on about how Linux doesn't count because it's not Unix.


When did I ever say it didn't count? I said it isn't Unix, which is a true statement. I also said it's the most Unix-like OS after the Unix-derived ones, which is also true. Making shiat up is really lame, dude.

As for Darwin, there was a project called OpenDarwin that actually was production-ready, but is discontinued. I got PureDarwin confused with it. Sorry.

That's okay, I had to dig deep into Darwin history myself to make sure I was remembering right. There was a time when I played around with OpenDarwin on PPC Macs, and it was not too bad. However, on x86 Darwin has always been crippled, and you have Apple to thank for that.
 
2012-09-18 10:54:30 PM  

Cthulhain: When did I ever say it didn't count? I said it isn't Unix, which is a true statement. I also said it's the most Unix-like OS after the Unix-derived ones, which is also true. Making shiat up is really lame, dude.


OK, so I misinterpreted your post. Sorry again.
 
2012-09-18 11:29:50 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: When did I ever say it didn't count? I said it isn't Unix, which is a true statement. I also said it's the most Unix-like OS after the Unix-derived ones, which is also true. Making shiat up is really lame, dude.

OK, so I misinterpreted your post. Sorry again.


No worries, we all do this thing on the Internet where we try to have a conversation that, face to face, would go much smoother due to body language and inflection. I get a little frustrated and defensive sometimes but it's not personal until it's obvious someone wants it to be. :-)
 
2012-09-18 11:30:50 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: !!!!111ONEONEEEE!


Why do that? Are you retarded?
 
2012-09-18 11:55:10 PM  

gweilo8888: BullBearMS: gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.

[dl.dropbox.com image 619x480]

Made up figures are made up.


You don't need to buy a separate program to run Windows games on a Mac, just install the OS X port of WINE which is free an open source and allows most Windows games and apps to run natively on OS X:

WINE for OS X

You do make a reasonable, well constructed post however. Unusual on Fark :-)
 
2012-09-18 11:56:34 PM  
I also misquoted, meant to quote weclock. Damn Fark and its lack of post editing!
 
2012-09-19 03:29:05 AM  
The first real benchmark numbers are starting to appear in the press.

dl.dropbox.com

Samsung gets spanked on performance. Interestingly, so does Intel.
 
2012-09-19 07:47:49 AM  

BullBearMS: The first real benchmark numbers are starting to appear in the press.

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x570]

Samsung gets spanked on performance. Interestingly, so does Intel.


Intel is a single core chip so I'm not sure why they even included that test.
 
2012-09-19 07:56:18 AM  

TNel: BullBearMS: The first real benchmark numbers are starting to appear in the press.

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x570]

Samsung gets spanked on performance. Interestingly, so does Intel.

Intel is a single core chip so I'm not sure why they even included that test.


Because that single core surpassed every dual and quad core ARM based chip until now on this particular metric.
 
2012-09-19 10:20:41 AM  

OriginalGamer: I meant the fact that he was bolding only part of his original post, and ignoring the point of my reply, that a claim of Apple paying someone to post those Facebook replies was kinda dumb.


When it comes down to it, I suppose all we can really take from the comments on that post is that Apple users are more likely to respond to spam/crap messages. I'm a Samsung fanboy, I saw that post forever ago, but I don't post on spam crap like that. Most Apple users are computer illiterate. The type of people who reply to Nigerian Email Scammers and who click links in emails.
 
2012-09-19 10:24:09 AM  

Russky: Well whatever makes you feel better, but it's quite a difference between 100ms + lag and 10 ms lag. Sorry to burst the android bubble.


Meanwhile you can take 20-30 pictures with an Android phone in the time it takes the iPhone to take 1...

People take pictures with their phones far more often then they produce music for some shiatty indy band you've never heard of.
 
2012-09-19 10:55:31 AM  

ScottRiqui: pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.

Here are some other responses for your list:

Although I use both every day, I prefer OS X to Windows.

Aesthetics matter to me; I prefer single-piece milled aluminum to snap-together molded plastic. I prefer laser-engraving and silkscreening to stickers.

I prefer glass to plastic.

I prefer fine-pitch stainless steel screws that are threaded into actual metal inserts, rather than coarse-pitch mild steel screws that are fastened into molded plastic threads.

For laptops, I like thin and light. While I do realize that Apple isn't the only company that offers thin and light laptops, the ones from other companies that are equally thin and light don't have much of a price advantage. Plus, they run Windows (see my Weeners).

Use whatever you like, and I'll do the same. But don't presume to know *why* I've made the choice I have, or that I haven't explored the alternatives.


Bang!
 
2012-09-19 11:15:00 AM  

Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: I meant the fact that he was bolding only part of his original post, and ignoring the point of my reply, that a claim of Apple paying someone to post those Facebook replies was kinda dumb.

When it comes down to it, I suppose all we can really take from the comments on that post is that Apple users are more likely to respond to spam/crap messages. I'm a Samsung fanboy, I saw that post forever ago, but I don't post on spam crap like that. Most Apple users are computer illiterate. The type of people who reply to Nigerian Email Scammers and who click links in emails.


Seriously, there's so much fud there it's nuts. Nice attempt though.
 
2012-09-19 12:44:21 PM  

joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731


In the article you linked, Apple is getting their ass kicked worldwide with less than 4% marketshare for new shipments.

In the USA, they went from 10.8% last year to 12.9% this year (up 2.1%) when the market as a whole grew 1.1%. That means Apple gained 1% marketshare. Ooooh, scary.

Apple always does better in the "new shipments" than they do in "active computers" share, for a number of reasons. 1.) Apple users "upgrade" more often than PC users. They need their new shiny cool substitute. PCs are upgraded when they wear out or get outdated. Usually 4-5 years. 2.) A new Apple in the field tends to replace an old one, while PCs tend to grow.
 
2012-09-19 02:26:46 PM  

BullBearMS: gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.

[dl.dropbox.com image 619x480]


Haha, nice Y-axis. Not linear and not logarithmic; every major being a 6x change. So, if we look at the PC market (phones and tablets aren't PCs), we see that Apple's Mac sales rose from 1.8% of Windows in 2005 (I'm assuming this graph is pre-Windowsphone, not that anyone cares about that anyway) units all the way up to 5.3%. Three-fold growth is great, mind you, but "formerly dominant?" C'mon now.

Also, there's four areas and only three labels. Besides, define "Windows units" those are PCs with Windows preinstalled? Are they actual sales of new Windows software? How are upgrades counted? Why are you comparing software to hardware in the first place? What about Macs with Windows installed? It's really a pretty awful graph.

/Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?
 
2012-09-19 02:41:13 PM  

ProfessorOhki: /Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?



It's a linear scale - the unit depicted on the Y-axis is the dimensionless ratio of the number of Windows units sold to the number of Apple devices sold. If anything, the units should just read 0, 6, 12, 18, etcetera, rather than 0x, 6x, 12x, 18x, but I still think it's pretty clear.
 
2012-09-19 02:52:40 PM  

ScottRiqui: ProfessorOhki: /Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?


It's a linear scale - the unit depicted on the Y-axis is the dimensionless ratio of the number of Windows units sold to the number of Apple devices sold. If anything, the units should just read 0, 6, 12, 18, etcetera, rather than 0x, 6x, 12x, 18x, but I still think it's pretty clear.


Oh duh, you're right, it is linear; the 'x' was throwing me. Yeah, it's clearly readable, but it really isn't a useful metric to begin with.
 
2012-09-19 02:54:52 PM  

ScottRiqui: It's a linear scale - the unit depicted on the Y-axis is the dimensionless ratio of the number of Windows units sold to the number of Apple devices sold. If anything, the units should just read 0, 6, 12, 18, etcetera, rather than 0x, 6x, 12x, 18x, but I still think it's pretty clear.


I should have said that the axis labels are clear - I do agree that the "four regions/three labels" is a bit confusing. I understand what they're saying, but they shouldn't have shaded the areas under the curves.
 
2012-09-19 03:03:08 PM  

ProfessorOhki: ScottRiqui: ProfessorOhki: /Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?


It's a linear scale - the unit depicted on the Y-axis is the dimensionless ratio of the number of Windows units sold to the number of Apple devices sold. If anything, the units should just read 0, 6, 12, 18, etcetera, rather than 0x, 6x, 12x, 18x, but I still think it's pretty clear.

Oh duh, you're right, it is linear; the 'x' was throwing me. Yeah, it's clearly readable, but it really isn't a useful metric to begin with.


Well, what they did was kind of a "poor man's" logarithmic scale, since their readers might not be familiar with log scales. They could have just used "unit sales" as the Y-axis, but then they would have needed one more curve on the graph. Plus, for some of the data points, the Windows value would be 56 times higher than the Apple value, while for other points it would only be twice the Apple value. Using a linear scale of "units sold" would have wasted a lot of space in the graph, as well as making the Apple values for some years hard to read.

Linear on the X-axis and logarithmic on the Y-axis would have been the best choice overall, if they thought the readers would understand it.
 
2012-09-19 03:19:21 PM  

ProfessorOhki: BullBearMS: gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.

[dl.dropbox.com image 619x480]

Haha, nice Y-axis. Not linear and not logarithmic; every major being a 6x change. So, if we look at the PC market (phones and tablets aren't PCs), we see that Apple's Mac sales rose from 1.8% of Windows in 2005 (I'm assuming this graph is pre-Windowsphone, not that anyone cares about that anyway) units all the way up to 5.3%. Three-fold growth is great, mind you, but "formerly dominant?" C'mon now.

Also, there's four areas and only three labels. Besides, define "Windows units" those are PCs with Windows preinstalled? Are they actual sales of new Windows software? How are upgrades counted? Why are you comparing software to hardware in the first place? What about Macs with Windows installed? It's really a pretty awful graph.

/Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?


Aww bless, don't be too hard on him. We can't be having logic in here. He's excited, dammit! Somebody... bought... a Mac. Shut down everything!
 
2012-09-19 08:43:32 PM  
So I talked to one of my co-workers who went and got an iPhone5, even after seeing the Samsung S3, Galaxy Note, Razer M/Maxx and the like from others at the office..

His response was essentially "Yeah, okay, sure, the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days, and the retarded limitations often bug me, but A] Ive been an iPhone user for years and I have a large iTunes library of songs Ive paid for and it would be too hard to move that over, and B] I have some things that the iPhone plugs into, and they havent changed form factor in forever, so there are quite a few choices of docks and things"

I guess those are valid reasons. He's sort of stuck with iPhone because of past choices, and he realizes it.
 
2012-09-19 09:34:38 PM  

ISO15693: the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days


Aside from being faster and having better battery life?
 
2012-09-20 12:30:06 AM  

BullBearMS: ISO15693: the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days

Aside from being faster and having better battery life?


We're judging products that haven't even been delivered yet based on a few synthetic benchmarks that are completely meaningless when comparing products based on different operating systems? (Basically the main thing you're benchmarking is how well the benchmark was optimized to run on a particular platform)

I mean, I know you love Apple and all, but come on--that's reaching.
 
2012-09-20 12:37:14 AM  

ISO15693: So I talked to one of my co-workers who went and got an iPhone5, even after seeing the Samsung S3, Galaxy Note, Razer M/Maxx and the like from others at the office..

His response was essentially "Yeah, okay, sure, the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days, and the retarded limitations often bug me, but A] Ive been an iPhone user for years and I have a large iTunes library of songs Ive paid for and it would be too hard to move that over, and B] I have some things that the iPhone plugs into, and they havent changed form factor in forever, so there are quite a few choices of docks and things"

I guess those are valid reasons. He's sort of stuck with iPhone because of past choices, and he realizes it.


Man, is he ever going to be pissed when he finds out they changed the dock connector.
 
2012-09-20 01:59:39 AM  

BullBearMS: ISO15693: the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days

Aside from being faster and having better battery life?


What are you smoking?

The iPhone5 would have fit right in with the droid phones from a year ago.
 
2012-09-20 05:07:11 AM  

gweilo8888: We're judging products that haven't even been delivered


I'm judging products based on benchmarks journalists with early review units have carried out and published now that the non-disclosure agreements have been lifted.

You guys seem to be judging things based on what you imagine reality might be.

There's a whole politics tab for that.
 
2012-09-20 06:27:24 AM  

BullBearMS: gweilo8888: We're judging products that haven't even been delivered

I'm judging products based on benchmarks journalists with early review units have carried out and published now that the non-disclosure agreements have been lifted.

You guys seem to be judging things based on what you imagine reality might be.

There's a whole politics tab for that.


Again, synthetic benchmarks are almost meaningless, and doubly-so when they're not actually running on the same operating system. You're testing the benchmark coder's skills, not the hardware.

You can base your buying decisions on made-up tests that mean nothing if you like. Honestly ask yourself if you only do so when it tells you the Apple product is better, though...
 
2012-09-20 06:34:38 AM  
LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.
 
2012-09-21 09:27:04 AM  

BullBearMS: LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.


Synthetic benchmarks have always been BS. Every overclocker in the world are just plain retarded but they want to get those extra few passmarks even though it's purely synthetic and has no bearing on how fast your computer really is. It's been going on for years and the people that realize it know better. I mean look at that graphics card it gets 70 fps it's better than the one that gets 60fps even though you wont be able to tell the difference and the 70fps one costs 50% more.
 
2012-09-21 12:04:19 PM  

BullBearMS: LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.


It's a sad day for logic when supposed geeks can't understand the simple concept that even if a program's UI looks kinda-sorta similar on two different platforms, if you're not running the same binary, you're not running the same test.

How hard a concept is that to grasp?
 
2012-09-21 12:05:19 PM  

TNel: I mean look at that graphics card it gets 70 fps it's better than the one that gets 60fps even though you wont be able to tell the difference and the 70fps one costs 50% more.


And for video cards in particular, there's a good chance that the card has been designed specifically to game the best-known benchmarks.
 
2012-09-21 03:11:38 PM  

gweilo8888: BullBearMS: LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.

It's a sad day for logic when supposed geeks can't understand the simple concept that even if a program's UI looks kinda-sorta similar on two different platforms, if you're not running the same binary, you're not running the same test.

How hard a concept is that to grasp?


Actually, both are running the exact same Javascript code.

One just does it faster.

It's not really difficult to understand when you aren't under the influence of fanboy butthurt.
 
2012-09-21 04:26:29 PM  

BullBearMS: gweilo8888: BullBearMS: LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.

It's a sad day for logic when supposed geeks can't understand the simple concept that even if a program's UI looks kinda-sorta similar on two different platforms, if you're not running the same binary, you're not running the same test.

How hard a concept is that to grasp?

Actually, both are running the exact same Javascript code.

One just does it faster.

It's not really difficult to understand when you aren't under the influence of fanboy butthurt.


Because all the games, apps, and OS are built solely on Javascript right?
 
2012-09-21 09:00:59 PM  

TNel: BullBearMS: gweilo8888: BullBearMS: LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.

It's a sad day for logic when supposed geeks can't understand the simple concept that even if a program's UI looks kinda-sorta similar on two different platforms, if you're not running the same binary, you're not running the same test.

How hard a concept is that to grasp?

Actually, both are running the exact same Javascript code.

One just does it faster.

It's not really difficult to understand when you aren't under the influence of fanboy butthurt.

Because all the games, apps, and OS are built solely on Javascript right?


This. JS is a terrible metric. You're testing the browser more than you're testing the phone. Besides, if a browser throttles out of control JS, that might actually be a feature. You don't need dubious numbers to drive home what a over-hyped, yet mediocre device the iPhone is.

/IE6 on a i7 vs. Chrome 12 on a P4 would be a fun fight.
//Look how much slower the quad-core is!
 
2012-09-21 11:18:16 PM  

TNel: Because all the games, apps, and OS are built solely on Javascript right?


Because nobody buys a smartphone to use the web, right?

Sorry, butthurt fanboys. The numbers are in and the iPhone 5 is faster not only with it's newly designed CPU's and GPU's but also gets better battery life than the crap you're pushing.

Maybe next year Samsung will catch up.
 
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