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2012-09-18 08:19:48 PM
hi guys

not an Apple fanboi. I find most of the Apple computers, Macbooks and what have you to be geared toward people who hate computers.

I have owned approximately two Apple products in my lifetime. An 80gb iPod I received as a gift, like, back in '06? '07? I dunno. I've had it forever and I carry all my music around with me and it hasn't died yet. it's a wonderful piece of machinery, and I haven't bought another mp3 player because, well, I haven't needed one. I've gotten way more than my money's worth out of this farking thing.

I also have an iPhone. a 3GS. It was my first jump into having a smartphone, which I'd shied away from largely because of oppressive data costs and most places I'd be using it, there's a computer or a laptop I could just as easily use. I got it right before the 4 came out. I was buying already old tech because I was getting a bargain. and for the last twoish years, it's done everything I have ever wanted it to. I mean, don't get me wrong, functionality I'd like to have has been added to subsequent phones, but it's served me well and is only now *really* showing its age. I played with a lot of phones in the store that day, and it came down to this one and a.. I don't even remember what it was. but the UI just felt nicer on the 3GS. Whatever. Just how it felt at the time.

Truth is, the whole sterile, made for people who hate computers aspects that make Apple computers so repugnant to me actually work really well as a phone, IMO.

And yes, there are things Android phones do that iPhones don't, but none of them are things I need a phone to do.

I'm picking up an iPhone 5 mostly because of how world weary my phone has become, coupled with the likelihood that the OS update will choke the 3GS harder than any of the updates it's seen. I've played with a lot of Android phones and they just don't feel quite as good and natural or intuitive to me. It's not that "ooh they're not Apple products" or whatever. I don't really care about power or dick waggling specs or brand loyalty. I like my phone, and if the iPhone 5 is basically promising more of the same experience, adjusted for improvements made in the last so many years, well, I like that.

Yesterday my coworker picked up my phone and placed it next to his, and said "wow, your whole phone basically fits in my screen" and went on about how much better Android phones are. That seemed sort of fanboyish to me, but I smiled and went about my day.

I've never had a team iPhone jizz session with folks who also have iPhones, and yet the two dudes in my department with Android phones are doing this constantly. I'm not sure what they're compensating for.

I hear a lot of Android owners talk about what a closed system iPhones are on and that it limits the potential. I remember a lot of this same talk from PS3 fanboys about the potential of the Cell processor and teraflops and what have you (which is funny because Sony is going in a completely different architecture route with the PS4 while all that potential goes wasted), but it seems to me that most folks, the average smartphone user, is a lot like the average PC user, mostly using this for email and internet, many of whom think Facebook IS the internet. I'm glad the very few people who will actually maximize the potential of an open system have phones that satisfy those urges.

I don't even remember why I started writing this post.
 
2012-09-18 08:45:00 PM

Man On Pink Corner: TNel: S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.

Uh, gee, maybe the one that got there in an hour.


Sure we'll see once its out which sales more and I bet the S3 will handily trounce it.
 
2012-09-18 08:51:11 PM

Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I've never had a team iPhone jizz session with folks who also have iPhones, and yet the two dudes in my department with Android phones are doing this constantly. I'm not sure what they're compensating for.


Man, those of us who work at home miss so much...
 
2012-09-18 08:59:13 PM

TNel: Man On Pink Corner: TNel: S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.

Uh, gee, maybe the one that got there in an hour.

Sure we'll see once its out which sales more and I bet the S3 will handily trounce it.


What metric are you proposing to compare sales? You obviously use FY2012 sales, since the fiscal year is almost over. FY2013 sales wouldn't be fair if the replacement for the S3 comes out during that time. Plus it wouldn't count the period of fastest sales for the S3. You could wait until both phones have been replaced by newer versions, but that wouldn't be an accurate comparison if one phone has a longer sales life than the other.

We could use worldwide sales in the first 100 days, since we know that figure for the S3 (20 million). We might have to make an educated guess as the iPhone 5 sales during the first 100 days, since that number doesn't seem to be available for the earlier iterations of the iPhone.

I guess we'll probably hear about it when the iPhone 5 sales hit 20 million, though - we'll just have to see whether it takes greater or fewer than 100 days.
 
2012-09-18 09:00:02 PM

Makh: I totally agree with whoever said Electric Boat.


I busted out laughing at that when I saw it in the pic... but they're right!!!!!
 
2012-09-18 09:00:16 PM
Make that "you obviously CAN'T use FY2012 sales"
 
2012-09-18 09:06:09 PM

ScottRiqui: gweilo8888: When your market share is "sweet FA", it's fairly simple to increase it to "almost a whisper".

Did you look at the linked sales figures? Apple's in third place with ~13% of U.S. sales, behind Dell at ~22% and HP at ~29%. Apple's sales numbers aren't exactly a "rounding error" compared to the others companies', so you can't pin all of their growth on the "tyranny of small numbers".


Even if the 13% is real (and frankly, I doubt it; it will be ignoring all sorts of things like homebuilt PCs, local PC store-assembled machines, etc., etc., 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly dominant PC platform.

But yeah, keep patting yourself on the back. You're doing a super job. Super, I say.
 
2012-09-18 09:28:09 PM

Cthulhain: HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.

How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.

Yes but how well does plain old Darwin run on commodity hardware? That was kind of my point. If we really want to continue down this road though, there's Plan9 and HURD to consider, as well as BeOS/Haiku (not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts).


Yes, Darwin can run on commodity hardware.

And if we're going to get into "not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts"... well... how about Linux?
 
2012-09-18 09:49:25 PM

gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.


dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-09-18 09:51:22 PM

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.

How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.

Yes but how well does plain old Darwin run on commodity hardware? That was kind of my point. If we really want to continue down this road though, there's Plan9 and HURD to consider, as well as BeOS/Haiku (not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts).

Yes, Darwin can run on commodity hardware.

And if we're going to get into "not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts"... well... how about Linux?


Indeed it does. I actually know someone working on a binary compatible iOS clone for generic ARM hardware using the Darwin kernel and replacing closed source Apple libraries with open source equivalents:

Link
 
2012-09-18 09:52:29 PM

HeartBurnKid:
Yes, Darwin can run on commodity hardware.


Can we get some reading comprehension please? I asked "how well does Darwin run on commodity hardware". From your own link:

"One current goal of this project is to provide a useful bootable ISO of Darwin 10.x and Darwin 9.x."

In other words, it doesn't even boot from CD yet on most hardware. Most of the screenshots on the site are either Darwin running on a Mac (which is kinda "duh") or on VMware. There was exactly one screenshot of it on a PC, and it was a photograph instead of screen capture because all they have so far is a bare terminal. Hell, Haiku is further along than this; on my Sony laptop everything but the webcam and proprietary media button panel is fully supported, and I can use it as a productive computer.

And if we're going to get into "not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts"... well... how about Linux?

So tell me again how Linux is not a Unix-like OS compared to Plan9, SyllableOS, Haiku or half a dozen other obscure OSes? Linux has always been Unix-like, more so than anything except actual Unix-derived OSes like the BSDs, Darwin, and Solaris. The biggest difference is in the licensing, and personally I've always been partial to the BSD licenses rather than GNU.
 
2012-09-18 10:05:01 PM
Whoops, should clarify my link above actually uses a fork of the Linux kernel now, not the Darwin kernel. Still a very cool project either way!
 
2012-09-18 10:08:27 PM

OriginalGamer: Still a very cool project either way!


It definitely has potential, thank you for linking it. Going into my "cool tech" bookmark folder. :-)
 
2012-09-18 10:09:00 PM

Cthulhain: HeartBurnKid:
Yes, Darwin can run on commodity hardware.

Can we get some reading comprehension please? I asked "how well does Darwin run on commodity hardware". From your own link:

"One current goal of this project is to provide a useful bootable ISO of Darwin 10.x and Darwin 9.x."

In other words, it doesn't even boot from CD yet on most hardware. Most of the screenshots on the site are either Darwin running on a Mac (which is kinda "duh") or on VMware. There was exactly one screenshot of it on a PC, and it was a photograph instead of screen capture because all they have so far is a bare terminal. Hell, Haiku is further along than this; on my Sony laptop everything but the webcam and proprietary media button panel is fully supported, and I can use it as a productive computer.

And if we're going to get into "not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts"... well... how about Linux?

So tell me again how Linux is not a Unix-like OS compared to Plan9, SyllableOS, Haiku or half a dozen other obscure OSes? Linux has always been Unix-like, more so than anything except actual Unix-derived OSes like the BSDs, Darwin, and Solaris. The biggest difference is in the licensing, and personally I've always been partial to the BSD licenses rather than GNU.


I think you missed my point somewhere. You're the one who was going on about how Linux doesn't count because it's not Unix.

As for Darwin, there was a project called OpenDarwin that actually was production-ready, but is discontinued. I got PureDarwin confused with it. Sorry.
 
2012-09-18 10:13:45 PM
go go samsung
 
2012-09-18 10:16:03 PM
Ok, you guys... this argument, it's an old argument, and neither side has done anything to make anything better, but what it comes down to, isn't a generalization of "which device is better?" but "which device is better for the general person?"

Pointing out the main differences between each product, really an iPhone is only good for a certain kind of user and an Android phone is only good for a certain type of user. Otherwise most people could go for either and be just fine, it's a matter of what their preference is.

I won't lie, I'm a huge android fan, but that's because it caters to my tastes. My girlfriend is hoping to get an iPhone when she can upgrade and my best friend just got a Galaxy S3 (same phone I have).
It's about what works best for you, my girlfriend likes Mac products, and while I've had a few macbooks and an itouch, android excites my jimmies.

And on the topic of desktop computers, I went with Windows a long time ago because my games run without much work on them. With Mac, you'll have to buy a seperate program to be able to play the same games as Windows on the bleeding edge, otherwise you can wait two to four years to get the game later on Mac.

So, because I have all this Windows software, switching to Mac doesn't cut it for me, although as a musician, I think I'd have a lot of fun playing with Garage band, or using an iPhone or iPad to assist with any recordings I do, but it isn't practical for me.

If, Steam comes full force to Linux, I would gladly jump off Microsofts train and go to Ubuntu (sure it's bloated, but not as bad as Windows) to play my games, but I doubt they'll have a program included that allows games to run (sorry, but Steam's support is shiat).

So, Mac, while pretty interesting in some aspects, just doesn't fit me practically and that is why I keep my android and windows devices.

But, while for me, spending that much on an apple device is impractical, it doesn't mean it's impractical for everyone. I have a number of friends who are musicians who aren't also avid gamers, for them purchasing a Macbook or iPhone makes total sense. Sure, the markup on hardware is a little silly, but with Mac you aren't just buying hardware, you're buying a hardware and software experience that work together.

While with Windows, I enjoy that I can put anything I want on it, I have the choice to abandon any kind of experience Microsoft wants to give me and make it my own - I'm not paying for the priveldge of having some kind of Microsoft experience, I'm paying for hardware to give myself any experience I want.
 
2012-09-18 10:19:58 PM

BullBearMS: gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.

[dl.dropbox.com image 619x480]


Made up figures are made up.
 
2012-09-18 10:21:00 PM
...and not only that, even when they're made up, they STILL show PCs dominating over Macs by a factor of 19 times.
 
2012-09-18 10:23:25 PM

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: HeartBurnKid:


I think you missed my point somewhere. You're the one who was going on about how Linux doesn't count because it's not Unix.


When did I ever say it didn't count? I said it isn't Unix, which is a true statement. I also said it's the most Unix-like OS after the Unix-derived ones, which is also true. Making shiat up is really lame, dude.

As for Darwin, there was a project called OpenDarwin that actually was production-ready, but is discontinued. I got PureDarwin confused with it. Sorry.

That's okay, I had to dig deep into Darwin history myself to make sure I was remembering right. There was a time when I played around with OpenDarwin on PPC Macs, and it was not too bad. However, on x86 Darwin has always been crippled, and you have Apple to thank for that.
 
2012-09-18 10:54:30 PM

Cthulhain: When did I ever say it didn't count? I said it isn't Unix, which is a true statement. I also said it's the most Unix-like OS after the Unix-derived ones, which is also true. Making shiat up is really lame, dude.


OK, so I misinterpreted your post. Sorry again.
 
2012-09-18 11:29:50 PM

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: When did I ever say it didn't count? I said it isn't Unix, which is a true statement. I also said it's the most Unix-like OS after the Unix-derived ones, which is also true. Making shiat up is really lame, dude.

OK, so I misinterpreted your post. Sorry again.


No worries, we all do this thing on the Internet where we try to have a conversation that, face to face, would go much smoother due to body language and inflection. I get a little frustrated and defensive sometimes but it's not personal until it's obvious someone wants it to be. :-)
 
2012-09-18 11:30:50 PM

LeoffDaGrate: !!!!111ONEONEEEE!


Why do that? Are you retarded?
 
2012-09-18 11:55:10 PM

gweilo8888: BullBearMS: gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.

[dl.dropbox.com image 619x480]

Made up figures are made up.


You don't need to buy a separate program to run Windows games on a Mac, just install the OS X port of WINE which is free an open source and allows most Windows games and apps to run natively on OS X:

WINE for OS X

You do make a reasonable, well constructed post however. Unusual on Fark :-)
 
2012-09-18 11:56:34 PM
I also misquoted, meant to quote weclock. Damn Fark and its lack of post editing!
 
2012-09-19 03:29:05 AM
The first real benchmark numbers are starting to appear in the press.

dl.dropbox.com

Samsung gets spanked on performance. Interestingly, so does Intel.
 
2012-09-19 07:47:49 AM

BullBearMS: The first real benchmark numbers are starting to appear in the press.

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x570]

Samsung gets spanked on performance. Interestingly, so does Intel.


Intel is a single core chip so I'm not sure why they even included that test.
 
2012-09-19 07:56:18 AM

TNel: BullBearMS: The first real benchmark numbers are starting to appear in the press.

[dl.dropbox.com image 600x570]

Samsung gets spanked on performance. Interestingly, so does Intel.

Intel is a single core chip so I'm not sure why they even included that test.


Because that single core surpassed every dual and quad core ARM based chip until now on this particular metric.
 
2012-09-19 10:20:41 AM

OriginalGamer: I meant the fact that he was bolding only part of his original post, and ignoring the point of my reply, that a claim of Apple paying someone to post those Facebook replies was kinda dumb.


When it comes down to it, I suppose all we can really take from the comments on that post is that Apple users are more likely to respond to spam/crap messages. I'm a Samsung fanboy, I saw that post forever ago, but I don't post on spam crap like that. Most Apple users are computer illiterate. The type of people who reply to Nigerian Email Scammers and who click links in emails.
 
2012-09-19 10:24:09 AM

Russky: Well whatever makes you feel better, but it's quite a difference between 100ms + lag and 10 ms lag. Sorry to burst the android bubble.


Meanwhile you can take 20-30 pictures with an Android phone in the time it takes the iPhone to take 1...

People take pictures with their phones far more often then they produce music for some shiatty indy band you've never heard of.
 
2012-09-19 10:55:31 AM

ScottRiqui: pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.

Here are some other responses for your list:

Although I use both every day, I prefer OS X to Windows.

Aesthetics matter to me; I prefer single-piece milled aluminum to snap-together molded plastic. I prefer laser-engraving and silkscreening to stickers.

I prefer glass to plastic.

I prefer fine-pitch stainless steel screws that are threaded into actual metal inserts, rather than coarse-pitch mild steel screws that are fastened into molded plastic threads.

For laptops, I like thin and light. While I do realize that Apple isn't the only company that offers thin and light laptops, the ones from other companies that are equally thin and light don't have much of a price advantage. Plus, they run Windows (see my Weeners).



Use whatever you like, and I'll do the same. But don't presume to know *why* I've made the choice I have, or that I haven't explored the alternatives.


Bang!
 
2012-09-19 11:15:00 AM

Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: I meant the fact that he was bolding only part of his original post, and ignoring the point of my reply, that a claim of Apple paying someone to post those Facebook replies was kinda dumb.

When it comes down to it, I suppose all we can really take from the comments on that post is that Apple users are more likely to respond to spam/crap messages. I'm a Samsung fanboy, I saw that post forever ago, but I don't post on spam crap like that. Most Apple users are computer illiterate. The type of people who reply to Nigerian Email Scammers and who click links in emails.


Seriously, there's so much fud there it's nuts. Nice attempt though.
 
2012-09-19 12:44:21 PM

joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731


In the article you linked, Apple is getting their ass kicked worldwide with less than 4% marketshare for new shipments.

In the USA, they went from 10.8% last year to 12.9% this year (up 2.1%) when the market as a whole grew 1.1%. That means Apple gained 1% marketshare. Ooooh, scary.

Apple always does better in the "new shipments" than they do in "active computers" share, for a number of reasons. 1.) Apple users "upgrade" more often than PC users. They need their new shiny cool substitute. PCs are upgraded when they wear out or get outdated. Usually 4-5 years. 2.) A new Apple in the field tends to replace an old one, while PCs tend to grow.
 
2012-09-19 02:26:46 PM

BullBearMS: gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.

[dl.dropbox.com image 619x480]


Haha, nice Y-axis. Not linear and not logarithmic; every major being a 6x change. So, if we look at the PC market (phones and tablets aren't PCs), we see that Apple's Mac sales rose from 1.8% of Windows in 2005 (I'm assuming this graph is pre-Windowsphone, not that anyone cares about that anyway) units all the way up to 5.3%. Three-fold growth is great, mind you, but "formerly dominant?" C'mon now.

Also, there's four areas and only three labels. Besides, define "Windows units" those are PCs with Windows preinstalled? Are they actual sales of new Windows software? How are upgrades counted? Why are you comparing software to hardware in the first place? What about Macs with Windows installed? It's really a pretty awful graph.

/Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?
 
2012-09-19 02:41:13 PM

ProfessorOhki: /Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?



It's a linear scale - the unit depicted on the Y-axis is the dimensionless ratio of the number of Windows units sold to the number of Apple devices sold. If anything, the units should just read 0, 6, 12, 18, etcetera, rather than 0x, 6x, 12x, 18x, but I still think it's pretty clear.
 
2012-09-19 02:52:40 PM

ScottRiqui: ProfessorOhki: /Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?


It's a linear scale - the unit depicted on the Y-axis is the dimensionless ratio of the number of Windows units sold to the number of Apple devices sold. If anything, the units should just read 0, 6, 12, 18, etcetera, rather than 0x, 6x, 12x, 18x, but I still think it's pretty clear.


Oh duh, you're right, it is linear; the 'x' was throwing me. Yeah, it's clearly readable, but it really isn't a useful metric to begin with.
 
2012-09-19 02:54:52 PM

ScottRiqui: It's a linear scale - the unit depicted on the Y-axis is the dimensionless ratio of the number of Windows units sold to the number of Apple devices sold. If anything, the units should just read 0, 6, 12, 18, etcetera, rather than 0x, 6x, 12x, 18x, but I still think it's pretty clear.


I should have said that the axis labels are clear - I do agree that the "four regions/three labels" is a bit confusing. I understand what they're saying, but they shouldn't have shaded the areas under the curves.
 
2012-09-19 03:03:08 PM

ProfessorOhki: ScottRiqui: ProfessorOhki: /Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?


It's a linear scale - the unit depicted on the Y-axis is the dimensionless ratio of the number of Windows units sold to the number of Apple devices sold. If anything, the units should just read 0, 6, 12, 18, etcetera, rather than 0x, 6x, 12x, 18x, but I still think it's pretty clear.

Oh duh, you're right, it is linear; the 'x' was throwing me. Yeah, it's clearly readable, but it really isn't a useful metric to begin with.


Well, what they did was kind of a "poor man's" logarithmic scale, since their readers might not be familiar with log scales. They could have just used "unit sales" as the Y-axis, but then they would have needed one more curve on the graph. Plus, for some of the data points, the Windows value would be 56 times higher than the Apple value, while for other points it would only be twice the Apple value. Using a linear scale of "units sold" would have wasted a lot of space in the graph, as well as making the Apple values for some years hard to read.

Linear on the X-axis and logarithmic on the Y-axis would have been the best choice overall, if they thought the readers would understand it.
 
2012-09-19 03:19:21 PM

ProfessorOhki: BullBearMS: gweilo8888: 13% of the market is a whisper compared to the utterly formerly dominant PC platform.

[dl.dropbox.com image 619x480]

Haha, nice Y-axis. Not linear and not logarithmic; every major being a 6x change. So, if we look at the PC market (phones and tablets aren't PCs), we see that Apple's Mac sales rose from 1.8% of Windows in 2005 (I'm assuming this graph is pre-Windowsphone, not that anyone cares about that anyway) units all the way up to 5.3%. Three-fold growth is great, mind you, but "formerly dominant?" C'mon now.

Also, there's four areas and only three labels. Besides, define "Windows units" those are PCs with Windows preinstalled? Are they actual sales of new Windows software? How are upgrades counted? Why are you comparing software to hardware in the first place? What about Macs with Windows installed? It's really a pretty awful graph.

/Someone help me out here
//It's not linear or logarithmic
///What do you even call that scale?


Aww bless, don't be too hard on him. We can't be having logic in here. He's excited, dammit! Somebody... bought... a Mac. Shut down everything!
 
2012-09-19 08:43:32 PM
So I talked to one of my co-workers who went and got an iPhone5, even after seeing the Samsung S3, Galaxy Note, Razer M/Maxx and the like from others at the office..

His response was essentially "Yeah, okay, sure, the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days, and the retarded limitations often bug me, but A] Ive been an iPhone user for years and I have a large iTunes library of songs Ive paid for and it would be too hard to move that over, and B] I have some things that the iPhone plugs into, and they havent changed form factor in forever, so there are quite a few choices of docks and things"

I guess those are valid reasons. He's sort of stuck with iPhone because of past choices, and he realizes it.
 
2012-09-19 09:34:38 PM

ISO15693: the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days


Aside from being faster and having better battery life?
 
2012-09-20 12:30:06 AM

BullBearMS: ISO15693: the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days

Aside from being faster and having better battery life?


We're judging products that haven't even been delivered yet based on a few synthetic benchmarks that are completely meaningless when comparing products based on different operating systems? (Basically the main thing you're benchmarking is how well the benchmark was optimized to run on a particular platform)

I mean, I know you love Apple and all, but come on--that's reaching.
 
2012-09-20 12:37:14 AM

ISO15693: So I talked to one of my co-workers who went and got an iPhone5, even after seeing the Samsung S3, Galaxy Note, Razer M/Maxx and the like from others at the office..

His response was essentially "Yeah, okay, sure, the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days, and the retarded limitations often bug me, but A] Ive been an iPhone user for years and I have a large iTunes library of songs Ive paid for and it would be too hard to move that over, and B] I have some things that the iPhone plugs into, and they havent changed form factor in forever, so there are quite a few choices of docks and things"

I guess those are valid reasons. He's sort of stuck with iPhone because of past choices, and he realizes it.


Man, is he ever going to be pissed when he finds out they changed the dock connector.
 
2012-09-20 01:59:39 AM

BullBearMS: ISO15693: the iPhone isnt as technically capable as the top tier phones these days

Aside from being faster and having better battery life?


What are you smoking?

The iPhone5 would have fit right in with the droid phones from a year ago.
 
2012-09-20 05:07:11 AM

gweilo8888: We're judging products that haven't even been delivered


I'm judging products based on benchmarks journalists with early review units have carried out and published now that the non-disclosure agreements have been lifted.

You guys seem to be judging things based on what you imagine reality might be.

There's a whole politics tab for that.
 
2012-09-20 06:27:24 AM

BullBearMS: gweilo8888: We're judging products that haven't even been delivered

I'm judging products based on benchmarks journalists with early review units have carried out and published now that the non-disclosure agreements have been lifted.

You guys seem to be judging things based on what you imagine reality might be.

There's a whole politics tab for that.


Again, synthetic benchmarks are almost meaningless, and doubly-so when they're not actually running on the same operating system. You're testing the benchmark coder's skills, not the hardware.

You can base your buying decisions on made-up tests that mean nothing if you like. Honestly ask yourself if you only do so when it tells you the Apple product is better, though...
 
2012-09-20 06:34:38 AM
LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.
 
2012-09-21 09:27:04 AM

BullBearMS: LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.


Synthetic benchmarks have always been BS. Every overclocker in the world are just plain retarded but they want to get those extra few passmarks even though it's purely synthetic and has no bearing on how fast your computer really is. It's been going on for years and the people that realize it know better. I mean look at that graphics card it gets 70 fps it's better than the one that gets 60fps even though you wont be able to tell the difference and the 70fps one costs 50% more.
 
2012-09-21 12:04:19 PM

BullBearMS: LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.


It's a sad day for logic when supposed geeks can't understand the simple concept that even if a program's UI looks kinda-sorta similar on two different platforms, if you're not running the same binary, you're not running the same test.

How hard a concept is that to grasp?
 
2012-09-21 12:05:19 PM

TNel: I mean look at that graphics card it gets 70 fps it's better than the one that gets 60fps even though you wont be able to tell the difference and the 70fps one costs 50% more.


And for video cards in particular, there's a good chance that the card has been designed specifically to game the best-known benchmarks.
 
2012-09-21 03:11:38 PM

gweilo8888: BullBearMS: LOL. It's a sad, sad day when supposed geeks start crying that using measured performance is unfair and shouldn't even count.

It's a sad day for logic when supposed geeks can't understand the simple concept that even if a program's UI looks kinda-sorta similar on two different platforms, if you're not running the same binary, you're not running the same test.

How hard a concept is that to grasp?


Actually, both are running the exact same Javascript code.

One just does it faster.

It's not really difficult to understand when you aren't under the influence of fanboy butthurt.
 
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