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2012-09-18 04:45:59 PM

ISO15693: Let people who still buy iphones buy them.

If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

When they whine about all the horrible limitations of their adopted ecosystem, just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" or something equally as non confrontational.

There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.


So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios. I know that doesn't fit into your "religion of appearance" remark, but what it does do is point out what an absolute hypocrite you are,.....yah android is better at everything and you wonder why people call you an androitard.
 
2012-09-18 04:47:03 PM
www.seogate.net

"Siri, is it raining outside?"

scienceblogs.com

 
2012-09-18 04:50:24 PM
How did this "accidentally promote iPhone"?

Do you think people who signed up for Samsung's facebook page will be like, "Oh wow, everyone is getting the competition, maybe I better too...."

Saying Subby is clueless doesn't promote me.

/no offense, Subby
//but I'll take a subby to get off an islandy
 
2012-09-18 05:00:46 PM

Russky: goatan: They should have known this would happen, apple fanboys are like RON PAUL supporters.

Meh, apple fanbois, android fanbois, they are all equally idiots.


I know, right? Fark needs a mobile device tab. It would be like the Politics tab and Geek tab got wasted on cheap wine and had a baby with fetal alcohol syndrome or something.
 
2012-09-18 05:03:51 PM
Yeah, I bet Samsung is devastated. It isn't like those iPhones are full of Samsung hardware or anything.
 
2012-09-18 05:07:30 PM
A boat.

Or a fully-charged satellite phone because JESUS CHRIST I'M ON A DESERTED ISLAND! HELP!
 
2012-09-18 05:14:53 PM

Russky: So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios. I know that doesn't fit into your "religion of appearance" remark, but what it does do is point out what an absolute hypocrite you are,.....yah android is better at everything and you wonder why people call you an androitard.

Input

lag? For mics and the like? Honestly, my suggestion would be if you plan on doing serious recording you don't use a phone or tablet. That's sort of like complaining that your iPad can't handle editing uncompressed 4k in real time.

For what it's worth, if the input lag is really that much better on iOS, they probably put specific effort into it so that GarageBand would be usable, not because of any overarching attention to quality.
 
2012-09-18 05:22:22 PM

ProfessorOhki: Russky: So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios. I know that doesn't fit into your "religion of appearance" remark, but what it does do is point out what an absolute hypocrite you are,.....yah android is better at everything and you wonder why people call you an androitard.

Input lag? For mics and the like? Honestly, my suggestion would be if you plan on doing serious recording you don't use a phone or tablet. That's sort of like complaining that your iPad can't handle editing uncompressed 4k in real time.

For what it's worth, if the input lag is really that much better on iOS, they probably put specific effort into it so that GarageBand would be usable, not because of any overarching attention to quality.


Right because i use a tablet to record for fun, instead i should setup a full studio with a computer because it's better quality.....kind of like anything on a full blown computer, then why would nayone use a tablet?

Well whatever makes you feel better, but it's quite a difference between 100ms + lag and 10 ms lag. Sorry to burst the android bubble.
 
2012-09-18 05:25:29 PM

Russky: ProfessorOhki: Russky: So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios. I know that doesn't fit into your "religion of appearance" remark, but what it does do is point out what an absolute hypocrite you are,.....yah android is better at everything and you wonder why people call you an androitard.

Input lag? For mics and the like? Honestly, my suggestion would be if you plan on doing serious recording you don't use a phone or tablet. That's sort of like complaining that your iPad can't handle editing uncompressed 4k in real time.

For what it's worth, if the input lag is really that much better on iOS, they probably put specific effort into it so that GarageBand would be usable, not because of any overarching attention to quality.

Right because i use a tablet to record for fun, instead i should setup a full studio with a computer because it's better quality.....kind of like anything on a full blown computer, then why would nayone use a tablet?

Well whatever makes you feel better, but it's quite a difference between 100ms + lag and 10 ms lag. Sorry to burst the android bubble.


Don't be a dick, it just looks like he was trying to be helpful.
 
2012-09-18 05:30:52 PM

ISO15693: Let people who still buy iphones buy them.

If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

When they whine about all the horrible limitations of their adopted ecosystem, just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" or something equally as non confrontational.

There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.


This.
 
2012-09-18 05:33:20 PM

xsarien: A boat.

Or a fully-charged satellite phone because JESUS CHRIST I'M ON A DESERTED ISLAND! HELP!


Yeah, would also like to know what good a cell phone would do with no towers and no wi-fi.
 
2012-09-18 05:34:41 PM

OriginalGamer: Yeah, but its worth noting that only Apple makes iPhones, and all sorts of companies roll out Android sets. Kind of unfair to say "haha! 2,034 companies combined outsell Apple!"


Nothing unfair about it at all. Apple chooses not to allow others into their ecosystem, just as they do on the desktop. That choice will eventually result in them fading into obscurity on mobile as well, just like they have done on the desktop.
 
2012-09-18 05:38:22 PM
"If you could only take one electronic device on a deserted island, what would it be?"

Fleshlight
 
2012-09-18 05:39:16 PM
or a EPIRB
 
2012-09-18 05:46:32 PM

gweilo8888: OriginalGamer: Yeah, but its worth noting that only Apple makes iPhones, and all sorts of companies roll out Android sets. Kind of unfair to say "haha! 2,034 companies combined outsell Apple!"

Nothing unfair about it at all. Apple chooses not to allow others into their ecosystem, just as they do on the desktop. That choice will eventually result in them fading into obscurity on mobile as well, just like they have done on the desktop.


Or perhaps they've just realized that it's possibly to run a highly profitable company without obsessing over market share, allowing them to avoid the inevitable "race to the bottom" and the razor-thin profit margins that result when you're in a competition with every other manufacturer and the only way you can think to do that is by lowering prices.
 
2012-09-18 05:50:48 PM

ScottRiqui: Or perhaps they've just realized that it's possibly to run a highly profitable company without obsessing over market share, allowing them to avoid the inevitable "race to the bottom" and the razor-thin profit margins that result when you're in a competition with every other manufacturer and the only way you can think to do that is by lowering prices.


Possible? Yes, for a time. Some people will pay way over the odds for equal or worse hardware and a relatively closed ecosystem, just to be "cool" or because it looks pretty. The fact Macs haven't completely disappeared is proof of that.

Sustainable as a viable company? Not really. Which is why Apple got into the iDevice game, because their desktops were languishing and eventually the company would have failed. Problem is they haven't understood why they failed first time, and they're shooting to repeat the experiment.
 
2012-09-18 05:55:59 PM
Samsung is the Mitt Romney of consumer electronic manufacturers.
 
2012-09-18 06:09:25 PM

gweilo8888: ISO15693: Let people who still buy iphones buy them.

If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

When they whine about all the horrible limitations of their adopted ecosystem, just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" or something equally as non confrontational.

There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.

This.


You didn't catch the total hypocrisy of this post?
 
2012-09-18 06:16:33 PM

gweilo8888: ScottRiqui: Or perhaps they've just realized that it's possibly to run a highly profitable company without obsessing over market share, allowing them to avoid the inevitable "race to the bottom" and the razor-thin profit margins that result when you're in a competition with every other manufacturer and the only way you can think to do that is by lowering prices.

Possible? Yes, for a time. Some people will pay way over the odds for equal or worse hardware and a relatively closed ecosystem, just to be "cool" or because it looks pretty. The fact Macs haven't completely disappeared is proof of that.

Sustainable as a viable company? Not really. Which is why Apple got into the iDevice game, because their desktops were languishing and eventually the company would have failed. Problem is they haven't understood why they failed first time, and they're shooting to repeat the experiment.


Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731
 
2012-09-18 06:24:09 PM

ISO15693: Let people who still buy iphones buy them.

If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

When they whine about all the horrible limitations of their adopted ecosystem, just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" or something equally as non confrontational.

There's no sense in trying to point out better options for them, at this point. Its more or less a religion of appearances now, rather than caring about having the best products. They bond with others in the same ecosystem, and want to impress those same people - you're not going to just help one person, without cutting them off from the rest of the "cult" (for lack of a better word).

If you try to point out better options, you run the risk of simply being put in a mental box called "androitards" or "iphone haters" and just your presence from then on will annoy he iphone user. Its better to just humor them at this point.


This is either a brilliant troll, or you just proved my point. Fan droids are just as bad as iTards. Specs alone do not a good phone make.

/Xoom, HTC One X, iPhone 4.
 
2012-09-18 06:26:38 PM

ISO15693: CAADbury: CAADbury: ISO15693: There's also a reason why Android phones have 68% of the market now compared to apple's 17%

Because 60+ phone models use Android, compared to

HTML. How does it work?

"Because 60+ phone models use Android, compared to less than 10 that use iOS?"

You do realize that simply building phones doesnt garner market share, right?


/My friends iPhone battery died. I asked if he wanted one from Fry's while I was there, and he started to cry.


It doesn't, however think of the reasons they would be ahead. For instance people that have Sprint or T-mobile (so there is only 1 smart phone OS option), or they are with Verizon and AT&T and don't want to put out $200-300 for a cellphone but you want a smart phone. Also you probably get people that were on Verizon that might want to change or try iOS, but don't change because of the apps they bought and they data that's already in those apps. It's not like it's a easy thing to move between the two platforms.

If Apple had 50% of the market that would be remarkable, that would mean the vast majority of people on AT&T and Verizon have iPhones. I expect if you had iPhones on every carrier you'd get much closer to a 50-50 split...with some dumbasses still using Blackberry.
 
2012-09-18 06:30:23 PM
why would you have internet access on a DESERT island???
 
2012-09-18 06:30:37 PM

Russky: Right because i use a tablet to record for fun, instead i should setup a full studio with a computer because it's better quality.....kind of like anything on a full blown computer, then why would nayone use a tablet?

Well whatever makes you feel better, but it's quite a difference between 100ms + lag and 10 ms lag. Sorry to burst the android bubble.


Took the words out of my mouth. Let me put it another way: would a laptop or even a desktop be any less portable than any of your other gear? If you're hauling around instruments and amps, what difference does it make if the recording device is 1.5lbs or 5lbs?

Really though, I'm not excusing Android, audio support on 'nix platforms has always been hit-or-miss. I'm just saying that Apple had a specific interest in audio because of GarageBand. Otherwise, it's a fairly minor feature given what percentage of their respective user-bases are going to try to use it for recording of an even remotely serious nature. 99% of the use the mic port sees is wired phone headsets and even those are uncommon these days.

As far as "whole studio," business, that's a false dichotomy and you know it. I don't even touch audio and I know there are multi-channel <2ms lag USB/Firewire capture devices out there for less than the cost of iPad-level tablet. You could plug one into a 13 year-old laptop and have better recording.
 
2012-09-18 06:39:43 PM

probesport: GSIII owner here, but the electronic device I would take with me to a deserted island is an EPIRB.


i.huffpost.com

ERMAHGERD! I READ EPIRBS ON MY IPAD TOO!
 
2012-09-18 06:40:58 PM

Bullseyed: Because Apple can't handle hiring a competent supply chain manager?


Um, if Apple's supply-chain folks were any more competent, they would be able to conjure cell-phone parts out of thin air by waving their arms and chanting Klaatu barada nikto.
 
2012-09-18 06:42:21 PM

joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731


The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.
 
2012-09-18 06:45:28 PM

pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.


Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy
 
2012-09-18 06:54:59 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy


I heard PC's can do that now-a-days too.

OH, and before I forget to finish my CSB

I had a hard drive go bad in my NAS and this girl seriously said "well you should have gotten a Mac." I wanted to drop kick her in the cootch. Followed by praying to gremlins that her hard drive dies with everything on it.
 
2012-09-18 06:55:24 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.

Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy


Or you could buy a PC and install Linux and save a few hundred for the same specs.
 
2012-09-18 06:59:31 PM

pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.


Here are some other responses for your list:

Although I use both every day, I prefer OS X to Windows.

Aesthetics matter to me; I prefer single-piece milled aluminum to snap-together molded plastic. I prefer laser-engraving and silkscreening to stickers.

I prefer glass to plastic.

I prefer fine-pitch stainless steel screws that are threaded into actual metal inserts, rather than coarse-pitch mild steel screws that are fastened into molded plastic threads.

For laptops, I like thin and light. While I do realize that Apple isn't the only company that offers thin and light laptops, the ones from other companies that are equally thin and light don't have much of a price advantage. Plus, they run Windows (see my Weeners).



Use whatever you like, and I'll do the same. But don't presume to know *why* I've made the choice I have, or that I haven't explored the alternatives.
 
2012-09-18 07:08:34 PM

OriginalGamer: Yeah, but its worth noting that only Apple makes iPhones, and all sorts of companies roll out Android sets. Kind of unfair to say "haha! 2,034 companies combined outsell Apple!"


when you are deciding which platform to make your target for software development yes that is a fair comparison, there is no law that says apple cannot license ios to other manufacturers.

/however phones sales numbers are not the only factor to consider, in particular iPhone users are more easily separated from their money
 
2012-09-18 07:09:37 PM

OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OriginalGamer: Bullseyed: OMG not the last 50 of thousands of posts?!?!?

I mean Apple is entirely incapable of paying 40 people to post on a Facebook page, right?

No one online has ever rigged a vote of any kind for laughs...

If you look even now, it's not the last 50. It's the majority of replies. And really? You think Apple would pay people to do that? They don't need to. Believe it or not, some people may actually like the iPhone, and saw an opportunity for a good LoL. Crazy, I know.

I'll ignore that you put League of Legends instead of laughing out loud, but yeah, good job repeating what I said in the post you quoted.

Good job editing out the idiotic "Apple paid someone to do this" part though.

There is no edit button on Fark. Gosh you're stupid...

Sigh, back for one specific response.

I meant the fact that he was bolding only part of his original post, and ignoring the point of my reply, that a claim of Apple paying someone to post those Facebook replies was kinda dumb.


Not that I have a bone in this, but I fathomed right away that he was making a valid point. That point was that you essentially agreed with his overall statement, that this was people having fun with Samsung, yet you came at him in an attacking pose.

So yeah, sorry bro but you're the dumbass here, no offense intended but it's just obvious. And just in case you don't get it, here's where it is explained in plain English for you:

good job repeating what I said in the post you quoted.

If I could do more than bold/italic/BIG it, I would just to make sure you comprehended this time.
 
2012-09-18 07:12:56 PM

Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

There is a reason why iPhones still sell out on announcement day while Samsung shoots themselves in the foot in court and on Facebook.


S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.
 
2012-09-18 07:15:35 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy


Saying Apple products are Unix-based at this point in their development makes almost as much sense as saying Windows 7 PCs are DOS-based.

I use both. I don't hate either.

I do find Apple's markup on previous-generation hardware to be just this side of high comedy, however.
 
2012-09-18 07:20:08 PM

joness0154: gweilo8888: ScottRiqui: Or perhaps they've just realized that it's possibly to run a highly profitable company without obsessing over market share, allowing them to avoid the inevitable "race to the bottom" and the razor-thin profit margins that result when you're in a competition with every other manufacturer and the only way you can think to do that is by lowering prices.

Possible? Yes, for a time. Some people will pay way over the odds for equal or worse hardware and a relatively closed ecosystem, just to be "cool" or because it looks pretty. The fact Macs haven't completely disappeared is proof of that.

Sustainable as a viable company? Not really. Which is why Apple got into the iDevice game, because their desktops were languishing and eventually the company would have failed. Problem is they haven't understood why they failed first time, and they're shooting to repeat the experiment.

Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731


When your market share is "sweet FA", it's fairly simple to increase it to "almost a whisper".
 
2012-09-18 07:20:35 PM

RedPhoenix122: Jon iz teh kewl: pedobearapproved: joness0154: Apple's market share for computers (excluding tablets) in the US has actually increased significantly, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1821731

The people I know that buy those computers are usually not computer people. I'll ask why and I'll get the "Apple is for more creative people" answer. And if you press them about what they do creatively that justifies that extra cost that could go into software it's like having your brain sucked out by stupid. "I type stories, and post on the web." "I do a lot of photo editing" "I look at porn and click on Viagra ads in my e-mail and don't want to get viruses"

Heaven forbid you tell them that the $700 PC laptop they could have had will do everything that their Mac Book Pro can do for $1,000 less.

I've yet to hear anyone go "I think it's cool looking" and that be the answer. Which for the most part is the only acceptable answer.

Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy

Or you could buy a PC and install Linux and save a few hundred for the same specs.


You could, but you could run into dozens of gremlins if you don't very carefully spec out your machine. Even a minor revision in the model number of a given device can mean the difference between full kernel support and absolutely none.

There's a reason Linus Torvalds (the guy who created the Linux kernel) chooses to use a Mac laptop; the hardware is a very small subset that Apple already marries to a Unix-like OS, therefore Linux support for it is early and robust. Of course, he can afford to buy one too.

For the rest of us poor Unix geeks, our choices lie with going in debt for an Apple laptop, buying a cheap Windows laptop and using Cygwin and/or virtualization, or spending the time and stretching the budget to the max looking for a particularly Linux-friendly machine. 

Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".
 
2012-09-18 07:26:04 PM

TNel: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

There is a reason why iPhones still sell out on announcement day while Samsung shoots themselves in the foot in court and on Facebook.

S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.


Do "presales" mean the same thing in both cases? I thought the 2 million figure was the number of units that Apple had ready to ship immediately on the release date, not simply the total number of orders placed before the release date. That 2 million figure was just in the first 24 hours, but Apple is still taking orders - they just won't ship for 2-3 weeks.
 
2012-09-18 07:27:32 PM
I'd do this to Motorola if they hadn't banned me from interacting with their facebook page for encouraging people to let their friends know how Motorola has treated Bionic owners with lies after lies.
 
2012-09-18 07:33:24 PM

ScottRiqui: TNel: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

Do "presales" mean the same thing in both cases? I thought the 2 million figure was the number of units that Apple had ready to ship immediately on the release date, not simply the total number of orders placed before the release date. That 2 million figure was just in the first 24 hours, but Apple is still taking orders - they just won't ship for 2-3 weeks.


If it wasn't don't you think apple would be toting that number instead?
 
2012-09-18 07:33:44 PM

gweilo8888: When your market share is "sweet FA", it's fairly simple to increase it to "almost a whisper".


Did you look at the linked sales figures? Apple's in third place with ~13% of U.S. sales, behind Dell at ~22% and HP at ~29%. Apple's sales numbers aren't exactly a "rounding error" compared to the others companies', so you can't pin all of their growth on the "tyranny of small numbers".
 
2012-09-18 07:34:04 PM

Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".


ummm, solaris x86?
 
2012-09-18 07:37:44 PM

TNel: ScottRiqui: TNel: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

Do "presales" mean the same thing in both cases? I thought the 2 million figure was the number of units that Apple had ready to ship immediately on the release date, not simply the total number of orders placed before the release date. That 2 million figure was just in the first 24 hours, but Apple is still taking orders - they just won't ship for 2-3 weeks.

If it wasn't don't you think apple would be toting that number instead?


TNel: ScottRiqui: TNel: Man On Pink Corner: ISO15693: If they want to think they are cutting edge still, just nod your head and let them.

I switched from an iPhone 4 to a new Samsung when the iPhone 5 announcement didn't offer anything I wanted.

Yeah, about that. You know what?

Do "presales" mean the same thing in both cases? I thought the 2 million figure was the number of units that Apple had ready to ship immediately on the release date, not simply the total number of orders placed before the release date. That 2 million figure was just in the first 24 hours, but Apple is still taking orders - they just won't ship for 2-3 weeks.

If it wasn't don't you think apple would be toting that number instead?


Well, if "presales" include all orders placed prior to the release date, then it's not correct to say that "Apple HAD 2 million presales" (i.e. referring to their presales as if they're finished). Presales are still ongoing; those 2 million were just in the first day.
 
2012-09-18 07:37:47 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?


You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.
 
2012-09-18 07:39:31 PM

TNel: S3 had 9 million in presales and iPhone 5 had 2 million tell me again which is better.


Uh, gee, maybe the one that got there in an hour.
 
2012-09-18 07:43:49 PM

Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.


not sure... all of our boxen are sparc, so I don't pay attention to the x86 licensing. wouldn't surprise me though... oracle seems to like doing that kind of stuff.
 
2012-09-18 07:46:15 PM

Russky: So what's the better option for music? Because last time I looked the android tablets and phones have an awful audio input lag delay compared to ios.


Apparently, the last time you looked was before Jellybean dropped
 
2012-09-18 07:49:48 PM

Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.


How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.
 
2012-09-18 08:01:51 PM

A Shambling Mound: Jon iz teh kewl: Apple has unix. that's reason enough to buy

Saying Apple products are Unix-based at this point in their development makes almost as much sense as saying Windows 7 PCs are DOS-based.

I use both. I don't hate either.

I do find Apple's markup on previous-generation hardware to be just this side of high comedy, however.


Not quite. Windows *was* DOS based, and no longer isn't. OS X (and iOS) is *still* *nix based, and because of that porting from Linux to OS X is fairly trivial (See WINE, command line tools, etc).
 
2012-09-18 08:03:40 PM

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.

How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.


Exactly. OS X and iOS both share the Darwin kernel (and most system libraries, etc. iOS is essentially a Mac OS X port to ARM with a different 'skin'. And it is all based off Unix.
 
2012-09-18 08:18:53 PM

HeartBurnKid: Cthulhain: The_Original_Roxtar: Cthulhain: Oh and one more thing: Linux is NOT UNIX! The closest thing you'll find to Unix that will run on commodity x86/64 hardware is BSD. I know that's not really the point of the thread but it just bugs me when people say "Linux and Unix are the same thing".

ummm, solaris x86?

You're right, I forgot about that one. But didn't Oracle pull a bait-and-switch on the license terms and halt development on it going forward? That's the last I heard anyway.

How about Darwin? Considering it's built around the same kernel as OSX, it's at least as much Unix as OSX is.


Yes but how well does plain old Darwin run on commodity hardware? That was kind of my point. If we really want to continue down this road though, there's Plan9 and HURD to consider, as well as BeOS/Haiku (not really Unix-like, but a lot of the same concepts).
 
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