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(Complex)   The US leads the world in illegal downloads, and the most illegally downloaded artist is Drake   (complex.com) divider line 110
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2012-09-18 10:07:22 AM
Therefore, according to the transitive property, Drake leads the world?
 
2012-09-18 10:20:30 AM
Who?
 
2012-09-18 10:29:11 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-18 10:53:16 AM

Joelogon: Therefore, according to the transitive property, Drake leads the world?


False.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-18 10:54:47 AM
I'll just leave this here.
 
2012-09-18 11:00:11 AM
Speaking of downloads, can anyone suggest a replacement for Demonoid?
 
2012-09-18 11:07:10 AM
 
2012-09-18 11:09:26 AM
How embarrassing. Why couldn't be the Stones, or Led Zeppelin, or Pink Floyd.....you know, talented artists. You know, instead of some tweener shiathead whose sole claim to fame was starring in the reboot of Degrassi Jr. High.
 
2012-09-18 11:18:00 AM
Few things...I'm guessing they are not taking PRON in to account for the most illegally downloaded, and im guessing this is just a snapshot cause I can think alot of other artist to d/l.

Joelogon: Therefore, according to the transitive property, Drake leads the world?


www.blog-city.info
 
2012-09-18 11:36:23 AM
How can people smart enough to pirate have THAT terrible taste in music?

/When I was a lad, pop music was good and it peaked at exactly the same time I listened to it
 
2012-09-18 11:40:57 AM

eas81: Few things...I'm guessing they are not taking PRON in to account for the most illegally downloaded, and im guessing this is just a snapshot cause I can think alot of other artist to d/l.


I really don't think porn is being downloaded nearly as much as it was in the past, mainly because so many streaming sites have popped up.
 
2012-09-18 12:10:42 PM
Clearly those asked about the most downloaded artist were just ducking the question.
 
2012-09-18 12:43:41 PM

bdub77: dahmers love zombie: Who?


seriously.. I try to keep up, at least so I know someone who is popular exists, but to my knowledge I've never heard of this guy and he's supposedly the "most illegally downloaded artist."
 
2012-09-18 12:46:30 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Clearly those asked about the most downloaded artist were just ducking the question.


www.majhost.com
 
2012-09-18 12:50:06 PM

dahmers love zombie: Who?


A 16th century English admiral- second person to circumnavigate the globe, knighted by Elizabeth I, pooped himself to death off the coast of Panama.

HTH
 
2012-09-18 12:52:33 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Clearly those asked about the most downloaded artist were just ducking the question.


People shouldn'ts teal music.
 
mjg
2012-09-18 02:06:30 PM
www.pophunter.com

I'm assuming the downloaders in question still use myspace
 
2012-09-18 02:07:09 PM
So basically nothing of value is being stolen
 
2012-09-18 02:07:21 PM

dahmers love zombie: Who?


Some artist that's uncharted.
 
2012-09-18 02:08:38 PM
Notes want to be free
 
2012-09-18 02:10:08 PM
Like anyone in their right mind would PAY for Drake music
 
2012-09-18 02:10:10 PM
cdn.eurweb.com 

/hot like a dirty tattoo needle
 
2012-09-18 02:11:21 PM
Stop downloading what I don't download!
 
2012-09-18 02:14:13 PM

LewDux: Stop downloading what I don't download!


I can't believe people are actually paying the artists I like for their music, and ripping off the talentless artist by downloading it so they can casually listen to it once! The outrage!
 
2012-09-18 02:15:12 PM

scottydoesntknow: eas81: Few things...I'm guessing they are not taking PRON in to account for the most illegally downloaded, and im guessing this is just a snapshot cause I can think alot of other artist to d/l.

I really don't think porn is being downloaded nearly as much as it was in the past, mainly because so many streaming sites have popped up.


People are still downloading the streaming stuff, granted that's not going to show up in a Bittorrent rating.
 
2012-09-18 02:20:18 PM
You can download these now?

www.retroland.com

Yum!
 
2012-09-18 02:20:30 PM

12349876: People are still downloading the streaming stuff


Why? For off-line viewing on airplanes?
 
2012-09-18 02:20:39 PM
downloading isn't stealing.
 
2012-09-18 02:21:06 PM

ZMugg: You can download these now?

[www.retroland.com image 650x300]

Yum!


You wouldn't download a cupcake.
 
2012-09-18 02:21:13 PM
Of course the USA is going to have the most. It's got by far the most people in the 1st world. What's really fun is breaking it down per capita.

The USA has 5x as many people as the UK, but only 2x the downloads.

The USA has 9x as many people as Canada, but only 4x the downloads.

The USA has 14x as many people as Australia, but only 5x the downloads.

The USA has 5x as many people as Italy, but only 3x the downloads.
 
2012-09-18 02:23:00 PM

Girion47: downloading isn't stealing.


Within the colloquial definition of "stealing", illegal downloading is stealing. If you're referring to a legal definition, and how it should be called "infringement," that's fine... but then you should also note that "stealing" doesn't actually have a legal definition. The relevant torts and crimes are theft, larceny, conversion, misappropriation, and infringement - "stealing" is a non-legal umbrella term that captures all of those.
 
2012-09-18 02:23:21 PM

dahmers love zombie: Who?


This exactly. I don't think I'm missing much by not knowing who this is.
 
2012-09-18 02:25:02 PM
I thought Canada was #1.
Of course, once TPB ended its run there was nothing left to download.
 
2012-09-18 02:26:14 PM

Theaetetus: 12349876: People are still downloading the streaming stuff

Why? For off-line viewing on airplanes?


Because today's video on a streaming site becomes tomorrow's "This video is no longer available"
 
2012-09-18 02:26:43 PM

Theaetetus: You wouldn't download a cupcake.


You wouldn't shoot a cop.
And then steal his helmet.
And then use it as a toilet.
And then send it to his grieving widow.

And then steal it back!
 
2012-09-18 02:27:25 PM

12349876: Theaetetus: 12349876: People are still downloading the streaming stuff

Why? For off-line viewing on airplanes?

Because today's video on a streaming site becomes tomorrow's "This video is no longer available"


And if that video is "Iron Man" or "Lord of the Rings," then I can certainly understand wanting to re-watch it in the future. But if that video is "Assblasters 42," why not just move on to number 43?
 
2012-09-18 02:33:00 PM

Theaetetus: 12349876: Theaetetus: 12349876: People are still downloading the streaming stuff

Why? For off-line viewing on airplanes?

Because today's video on a streaming site becomes tomorrow's "This video is no longer available"

And if that video is "Iron Man" or "Lord of the Rings," then I can certainly understand wanting to re-watch it in the future. But if that video is "Assblasters 42," why not just move on to number 43?


I find Assblasters 43 shallow and pedantic
 
2012-09-18 02:35:58 PM

LewDux: I find Assblasters 43 shallow and pedantic


I honestly left the series after Assblasters 37. I tried to watch 38, but I found it too intellectual for my tastes.
 
2012-09-18 02:37:19 PM
So, in all the time that people have been illegally downloading songs, this nutsack, that has been around for what, a couple of years?, has the most. Um....... NO.
 
2012-09-18 02:37:43 PM
Never even heard of this guy... going to go home and pira..I mean vote for Led Zeppelin...
 
2012-09-18 02:38:10 PM

Theaetetus: Girion47: downloading isn't stealing.

Within the colloquial definition of "stealing", illegal downloading is stealing. If you're referring to a legal definition, and how it should be called "infringement," that's fine... but then you should also note that "stealing" doesn't actually have a legal definition. The relevant torts and crimes are theft, larceny, conversion, misappropriation, and infringement - "stealing" is a non-legal umbrella term that captures all of those.


If I download an album I otherwise wouldn't purchase, who am I depriving of what? There's no lost sale, no lost physical merchandise. All I've done is copy some 1's and 0's that are arranged in a certain order.
 
2012-09-18 02:38:38 PM
You people are missing the point here. Read the article again. In Canada, the #1 downloaded artist?

Kanye West.

It's all Canada's fault!
 
2012-09-18 02:43:54 PM

Theaetetus: 12349876: Theaetetus: 12349876: People are still downloading the streaming stuff

Why? For off-line viewing on airplanes?

Because today's video on a streaming site becomes tomorrow's "This video is no longer available"

And if that video is "Iron Man" or "Lord of the Rings," then I can certainly understand wanting to re-watch it in the future. But if that video is "Assblasters 42," why not just move on to number 43?


Maybe I'm picky, but some porn is worth rewatching. And I also find it much easier to watch porn on the computer where I can go wherever I want instantly with no buffering.
 
2012-09-18 02:45:38 PM
Jeez, people still remember that Jetta commercial? I mean, it was a good song and all...
 
2012-09-18 02:47:24 PM

Killer Cars: honestly left the series after Assblasters 37. I tried to watch 38, but I found it too intellectual for my tastes


So it was preachy and up its own ass? That's quite remarkable
 
2012-09-18 02:54:42 PM

LewDux: I find Assblasters 43 shallow and pedantic



Agreed.  It insists upon itself.
 
2012-09-18 02:56:27 PM

turdfergusonn: You people are missing the point here. Read the article again. In Canada, the #1 downloaded artist?

Kanye West.

It's all Canada's fault!


It's funny 'coz Drake is Canadian and Kanye is American.
 
2012-09-18 03:01:36 PM

Theaetetus: Girion47: downloading isn't stealing.

Within the colloquial definition of "stealing", illegal downloading is stealing. If you're referring to a legal definition, and how it should be called "infringement," that's fine... but then you should also note that "stealing" doesn't actually have a legal definition. The relevant torts and crimes are theft, larceny, conversion, misappropriation, and infringement - "stealing" is a non-legal umbrella term that captures all of those.


False.

Stealing implies gain of material goods for the perpetrator and the loss of said goods by the victim.

_____________________________

But for everyone's benefit I'll make an announcement.

Theateteatus is a shameless troll/zealot, much like SteveB. Argue with it at your own peril.
 
2012-09-18 03:02:38 PM
i.imgur.com

That's your big boy.
 
2012-09-18 03:03:21 PM

FloydA: I_Am_Weasel: Clearly those asked about the most downloaded artist were just ducking the question.

People shouldn'ts teal music.


It's ok, Drake doesn't make music
 
2012-09-18 03:14:08 PM

timujin: bdub77: dahmers love zombie: Who?

seriously.. I try to keep up, at least so I know someone who is popular exists, but to my knowledge I've never heard of this guy and he's supposedly the "most illegally downloaded artist."


Same here.....

And I try to catch just about everything from the international lists...so to see what's new, what's worth listening to, etc.

Trouble is, I have trouble finding stuff that's worth listening stuff, they only made so much good stuff since the '30s (approx.), with the list getting smaller as every year goes by.
 
2012-09-18 03:14:20 PM
As a Canadian, I would like to apologize for Nickelback, Celine Dion and Drake.
 
2012-09-18 03:15:28 PM
Him?
 
2012-09-18 03:15:43 PM
I feel like it's less bad when American's download media. Because - let's be honest - probably about 75% of the media in the English speaking world and 50% of the media on the planet comes from the United States.

Ironically, in many other countries, you are forced to pay a TV license fee that goes to pay local rich people a bunch of money to run some local TV station nobody watches - except to see the US TV shows that aired 2-3 years ago in the US.
 
2012-09-18 03:16:48 PM
Dafuq is a Drake?
 
2012-09-18 03:21:22 PM

angryneo: Dafuq is a Drake?


From Wiki: Some people use "duck" specifically for adult females and "drake" for adult males, for the species described here; others use "hen" and "drake", respectively.

/Hope this helps!
 
2012-09-18 03:23:35 PM

Killer Cars: LewDux: I find Assblasters 43 shallow and pedantic

I honestly left the series after Assblasters 37. I tried to watch 38, but I found it too intellectual for my tastes.


I haven't seen Assblaster 1-36, so I'd just be lost if I tried to start watching it now.
 
mhd
2012-09-18 03:27:54 PM
Can't believe how many people in this thread are so ignorant. It's easy, guys:

Wings + four legs => dragon
Wings + two legs => wyvern
No Wings + four legs => drake
 
2012-09-18 03:31:46 PM

madcan34: Killer Cars: LewDux: I find Assblasters 43 shallow and pedantic

I honestly left the series after Assblasters 37. I tried to watch 38, but I found it too intellectual for my tastes.

I haven't seen Assblaster 1-36, so I'd just be lost if I tried to start watching it now.


The whole second season takes place in a Xanax dream during a colonoscopy, so you really didn't miss much.
 
2012-09-18 03:32:23 PM
Remember when people said that if you made a cheap, convenient, easy way for people to get digital music than the piracy would stop?

Spotify, iTunes, Rhapsody, Pandora, Amazon... it's out there, it's cheap, it's easy. People are still pirating it.

Honestly, I don't even understand why, really. It's so much easier for me to pay the $10 a month to Spotify to have every single song I could possible want available on my phone, my computer, my tablet, whatever, wherever, whenever. If I hear a snip-it of a new song, I can have it in the time it takes to look for it. It would be such a pain trying to do that with torrents.
 
2012-09-18 03:34:28 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-18 03:35:54 PM

dahmers love zombie: madcan34: Killer Cars: LewDux: I find Assblasters 43 shallow and pedantic

I honestly left the series after Assblasters 37. I tried to watch 38, but I found it too intellectual for my tastes.

I haven't seen Assblaster 1-36, so I'd just be lost if I tried to start watching it now.

The whole second season takes place in a Xanax dream during a colonoscopy, so you really didn't miss much.


Thanks for spoiling it arsehole. I dove into season 1 today and it was quite gripping.
 
2012-09-18 03:37:02 PM

Girion47: Theaetetus: Girion47: downloading isn't stealing.

Within the colloquial definition of "stealing", illegal downloading is stealing. If you're referring to a legal definition, and how it should be called "infringement," that's fine... but then you should also note that "stealing" doesn't actually have a legal definition. The relevant torts and crimes are theft, larceny, conversion, misappropriation, and infringement - "stealing" is a non-legal umbrella term that captures all of those.

If I download an album I otherwise wouldn't purchase, who am I depriving of what? There's no lost sale, no lost physical merchandise. All I've done is copy some 1's and 0's that are arranged in a certain order.


Which is why isn't theft or conversion, it's infringement. As you note, the former require deprivation of property. But all three of those are under the umbrella term, "stealing". That's also why, for example, it's called "stealing" rather than "deprivation".
 
2012-09-18 03:47:34 PM
I haven't pirated music in forever. I still buy CDs and LPs and I have a spotify account...

Pirating just seems like so much more work
 
2012-09-18 03:50:07 PM
s7.postimage.org
 
2012-09-18 03:56:53 PM
I bought some Buckethead songs the other day...i don't mind paying money for music...I just wish more would get into the hands of the artists.

but I finally figured out what a music contract is...you become an employee of the label and they reap the benefits of your hard work.

but now that I think more, I should have bought from his site directly...hmmm. lazy I guess and I just bought single songs.
 
2012-09-18 04:00:55 PM

Girion47: If I download an album I otherwise wouldn't purchase,


Then why are you downloading it?

If you wouldn't purchase it in the first place, then it shouldn't be worth listening to, I would believe.

If you do listen to it, then you should consider some way of sending in some sort of compensation so that he artist can continue to work on making new stuff... no?
 
2012-09-18 04:14:47 PM

mhd: Can't believe how many people in this thread are so ignorant. It's easy, guys:

Wings + four legs => dragon
Wings + two legs => wyvern
No Wings + four legs => drake



Four wings + four legs + four breasts = Lunch

i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-18 04:21:05 PM

meanmutton: Remember when people said that if you made a cheap, convenient, easy way for people to get digital music than the piracy would stop?

Spotify, iTunes, Rhapsody, Pandora, Amazon... it's out there, it's cheap, it's easy. People are still pirating it.

Honestly, I don't even understand why, really. It's so much easier for me to pay the $10 a month to Spotify to have every single song I could possible want available on my phone, my computer, my tablet, whatever, wherever, whenever. If I hear a snip-it of a new song, I can have it in the time it takes to look for it. It would be such a pain trying to do that with torrents.


Those type of sites have exploded in popularity, sales, etc. People saying "give me a cheap, convenient, easy way to get xyz" are those that switch and follow the legal means. People who had no intention of buying in the first place didn't switch, nor will they. They are not lost sales, really. Also consider how dickish the MPAA and RIAA were and the long-standing grudges people have against them. That isn't going to go away anytime soon, further crimping sales in favor of non-legal means.
 
2012-09-18 04:23:38 PM
Huh. I thought he was just a fake Sprite commercial rapper.
 
2012-09-18 04:26:26 PM

Mr.Poops: I haven't pirated music in forever. I still buy CDs and LPs and I have a spotify account...

Pirating just seems like so much more work


Torrenting music is painful. Most people don't know how to make high quality MP3s, so you end up with crap or 320K CBRs that take up a lot of space for no reason. And then there's the idiots that "edit" the music to make it "better".
 
2012-09-18 04:37:39 PM

imfallen_angel: Trouble is, I have trouble finding stuff that's worth listening stuff, they only made so much good stuff since the '30s (approx.), with the list getting smaller as every year goes by.


Not for me, I love new stuff and find bands I really like all the time. Walk the Moon, The Heavy, The Silent Comedy (just saw a show with those two, friggin' awesome and if you like stuff from the 30's TSC might have some appeal), Royal Bangs, Explosions in the Sky, Hey Rosetta!, and a bunch of others... all in the last few months to a year or so.
 
2012-09-18 04:38:15 PM

Shazam999: Mr.Poops: I haven't pirated music in forever. I still buy CDs and LPs and I have a spotify account...

Pirating just seems like so much more work

Torrenting music is painful. Most people don't know how to make high quality MP3s, so you end up with crap or 320K CBRs that take up a lot of space for no reason. And then there's the idiots that "edit" the music to make it "better".


The best is when you find a copy of a new EP that isn't release yet. So you take a chance and download it.

Only to find the singles in high quality format(as the singles were already available), and the rest of the tracks being a hodgepodge of crappy live recordings that sound like a bad youtube video, or super low quality previews someone stole off a blog or soundcloud.

I love those. You really do need a reliable source for high quality music piracy, and that can be tricky to find sometimes.
 
2012-09-18 04:41:29 PM
I really need to get going on downloading every available Betty Board.

Some of you will know what that is.

And no, trust me: it ain't something hipster!! :D
 
2012-09-18 04:55:41 PM

Strategeryz0r: Shazam999: Mr.Poops: I haven't pirated music in forever. I still buy CDs and LPs and I have a spotify account...

Pirating just seems like so much more work

Torrenting music is painful. Most people don't know how to make high quality MP3s, so you end up with crap or 320K CBRs that take up a lot of space for no reason. And then there's the idiots that "edit" the music to make it "better".

The best is when you find a copy of a new EP that isn't release yet. So you take a chance and download it.

Only to find the singles in high quality format(as the singles were already available), and the rest of the tracks being a hodgepodge of crappy live recordings that sound like a bad youtube video, or super low quality previews someone stole off a blog or soundcloud.

I love those. You really do need a reliable source for high quality music piracy, and that can be tricky to find sometimes.


It's called What.CD
 
2012-09-18 05:02:47 PM

Considering the number of movies uploaded on the net that have those damn, idiotic, hard-coded Dutch subtitles, I would have said the Netherlands must be #1 in illegal downloads worldwide.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-18 05:03:18 PM
It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.
 
2012-09-18 05:15:35 PM

BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.


It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.
 
2012-09-18 05:19:44 PM

bdub77: dahmers love zombie: Who?


Most people have The Who on CD or vinyl already so no need to Torrant their music.
 
2012-09-18 05:25:21 PM

Theaetetus: Girion47: Theaetetus: Girion47: downloading isn't stealing.

Within the colloquial definition of "stealing", illegal downloading is stealing. If you're referring to a legal definition, and how it should be called "infringement," that's fine... but then you should also note that "stealing" doesn't actually have a legal definition. The relevant torts and crimes are theft, larceny, conversion, misappropriation, and infringement - "stealing" is a non-legal umbrella term that captures all of those.

If I download an album I otherwise wouldn't purchase, who am I depriving of what? There's no lost sale, no lost physical merchandise. All I've done is copy some 1's and 0's that are arranged in a certain order.

Which is why isn't theft or conversion, it's infringement. As you note, the former require deprivation of property. But all three of those are under the umbrella term, "stealing". That's also why, for example, it's called "stealing" rather than "deprivation".


Okay, so you want to argue with incorrect terminology, that's your prerogative.
 
2012-09-18 05:27:20 PM

Theaetetus: BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.

It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.


Downloading is equivalent to recording a broadcast. Because someone is transmitting it, doesn't make it illegal for you to capture it.
 
2012-09-18 05:27:53 PM

Fano: dahmers love zombie: Who?

Some artist that's uncharted.


He must have a fortune.
 
2012-09-18 05:31:20 PM
i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-18 05:33:23 PM

Girion47: Theaetetus: Girion47: Theaetetus: Girion47: downloading isn't stealing.

Within the colloquial definition of "stealing", illegal downloading is stealing. If you're referring to a legal definition, and how it should be called "infringement," that's fine... but then you should also note that "stealing" doesn't actually have a legal definition. The relevant torts and crimes are theft, larceny, conversion, misappropriation, and infringement - "stealing" is a non-legal umbrella term that captures all of those.

If I download an album I otherwise wouldn't purchase, who am I depriving of what? There's no lost sale, no lost physical merchandise. All I've done is copy some 1's and 0's that are arranged in a certain order.

Which is why isn't theft or conversion, it's infringement. As you note, the former require deprivation of property. But all three of those are under the umbrella term, "stealing". That's also why, for example, it's called "stealing" rather than "deprivation".

Okay, so you want to argue with incorrect terminology, that's your prerogative.


Actually, no - I want to argue with the legal terminology. You apparently have no idea what said terminology is.
What do you believe "stealing" to mean? As of yet, you've simply said what it doesn't mean - "downloading" or "copying". What do you think it actually does mean? And further, how does that apply to things like "stolen bases", "stolen kisses", "steal away in the night", etc.?
 
2012-09-18 05:34:20 PM

Girion47: Theaetetus: BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.

It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.

Downloading is equivalent to recording a broadcast.


Spoken like someone who doesn't know the difference between unicast and multicast, or a response to a request and joining a stream.
 
2012-09-18 05:37:07 PM
The fact that China isn't on there means that list is total BS. They pirate shiat like crazy there, and have at least enough people with computers and internet in their homes to beat a country like Italy.
 
2012-09-18 05:41:24 PM

Girion47: Theaetetus: BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.

It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.

Downloading is equivalent to recording a broadcast. Because someone is transmitting it, doesn't make it illegal for you to capture it.



No its not, you actually have to choose to download it.  Television stations are broadcasting in your house now.  You have no choice in the matter.  Your only choice is to use your TV to convert the signal into images or not.
 
2012-09-18 05:42:43 PM

downstairs: Girion47: Theaetetus: BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.

It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.

Downloading is equivalent to recording a broadcast. Because someone is transmitting it, doesn't make it illegal for you to capture it.


No its not, you actually have to choose to download it.  Television stations are broadcasting in your house now.  You have no choice in the matter.  Your only choice is to use your TV to convert the signal into images or not.


I can turn the channel right? I have to choose to have cable to receive those transmissions, I can record a PPV movie, that's unicast and legal to record.
 
2012-09-18 05:47:38 PM

Theaetetus: Girion47: Theaetetus: BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.

It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.

Downloading is equivalent to recording a broadcast.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know the difference between unicast and multicast, or a response to a request and joining a stream.


Is it legal to record youtube videos? If I capture it on a site, and rip the audio, how is that different than torrenting? What about On Demand cable? Netflix? These are all pieces of intellectual property being transmitted to me.
 
2012-09-18 05:52:17 PM

Ed Finnerty: Fano: dahmers love zombie: Who?

Some artist that's uncharted.

He must have a fortune.


He would if he wasn't among thieves.
 
2012-09-18 05:57:15 PM
Other countries are just intelligent enough to hide it better.
 
2012-09-18 05:57:36 PM

Girion47: Theaetetus: Girion47: Theaetetus: BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.

It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.

Downloading is equivalent to recording a broadcast.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know the difference between unicast and multicast, or a response to a request and joining a stream.

Is it legal to record youtube videos?


No, it's a violation of the terms of use of YouTube. You'd be breaching the license terms, at which point, you would not be obtaining a copy of the video lawfully.

If I capture it on a site, and rip the audio, how is that different than torrenting?

On your side, you're actually making an unlawful derivative work by stripping off the audio channels.
On the torrenting side, you're copying from others, and distributing to still others.
These are three separate acts of infringement, but all are different.

What about On Demand cable? Netflix? These are all pieces of intellectual property being transmitted to me.

And in both the On Demand and Netflix situations, they have a license to transmit the IP to you. You don't have a license to make a local copy for any purpose other than caching in RAM. Do so, and you breach the license, at which point, you aren't obtaining your copy lawfully, and therefore are also committing copyright infringement.

I mean, honestly, dude - you're arguing that receiving a bittorrent from a pirate is legally the exact same situation as receiving a stream from Netflix? Really?
 
2012-09-18 05:58:59 PM

Girion47: I can record a PPV movie, that's unicast and legal to record.


Heh. Sounds like someone who's never actually read their PPV license.
 
2012-09-18 06:36:09 PM
Nick Drake....right?
 
2012-09-18 07:28:16 PM

dallylamma: [cdn.eurweb.com image 800x533] 

/hot like a dirty tattoo needle


WTF
 
2012-09-18 08:12:54 PM
When you think about the production companies that own the record and movie studios and how much they screw the artists and the tax payers with the "hollywood accounting" and various other practices and how long that practice has been going on, I'd say we are not even close to catching up with them.

Let us pirate everything for the next 100 years, then we can talk.
 
2012-09-18 08:27:14 PM

emotion_lotion: When you think about the production companies that own the record and movie studios and how much they screw the artists and the tax payers with the "hollywood accounting" and various other practices and how long that practice has been going on, I'd say we are not even close to catching up with them.

Let us pirate everything for the next 100 years, then we can talk.


Pirate, but then try and give as much money as possible directly to the artists you like. I try to give as much as I can to musicians, comedians and game developers I really enjoy each month.
 
2012-09-18 09:35:08 PM
1. He doesn't make music. 2. His voice is the most irritating sound ever.
 
2012-09-18 09:39:19 PM

Roxy Monoxide: 1. He doesn't make music. 2. His voice is the most irritating sound ever.


So if he's the most downloaded "artist," then downloading of music has ceased to be an issue.
 
2012-09-18 11:01:30 PM
Josh is going to be sooooo pissed
 
2012-09-18 11:37:50 PM

Strategeryz0r: Shazam999: Mr.Poops: I haven't pirated music in forever. I still buy CDs and LPs and I have a spotify account...

Pirating just seems like so much more work

Torrenting music is painful. Most people don't know how to make high quality MP3s, so you end up with crap or 320K CBRs that take up a lot of space for no reason. And then there's the idiots that "edit" the music to make it "better".

The best is when you find a copy of a new EP that isn't release yet. So you take a chance and download it.

Only to find the singles in high quality format(as the singles were already available), and the rest of the tracks being a hodgepodge of crappy live recordings that sound like a bad youtube video, or super low quality previews someone stole off a blog or soundcloud.

I love those. You really do need a reliable source for high quality music piracy, and that can be tricky to find sometimes.


Girion47: Theaetetus: BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.

It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.

Downloading is equivalent to recording a broadcast. Because someone is transmitting it, doesn't make it illegal for you to capture it.


You need to turn back in your law degree because wherever you went to law school ripped you off.
 
2012-09-18 11:40:42 PM

Girion47: Theaetetus: Girion47: Theaetetus: BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.

It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.

Downloading is equivalent to recording a broadcast.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know the difference between unicast and multicast, or a response to a request and joining a stream.

Is it legal to record youtube videos? If I capture it on a site, and rip the audio, how is that different than torrenting? What about On Demand cable? Netflix? These are all pieces of intellectual property being transmitted to me.


The difference in all of those cases is that in the case of torrenting, you knowingly obtained access to the content illegally while your cable TV, Netflix, etc., are all broadcasting data legally.
 
2012-09-19 12:21:58 AM
i'm gonna go with there are two stipulations:

most of it has to be tracked in english

many countries do not report it and/or care
 
2012-09-19 01:07:09 AM

Girion47: Theaetetus: Girion47: Theaetetus: Girion47: downloading isn't stealing.

Within the colloquial definition of "stealing", illegal downloading is stealing. If you're referring to a legal definition, and how it should be called "infringement," that's fine... but then you should also note that "stealing" doesn't actually have a legal definition. The relevant torts and crimes are theft, larceny, conversion, misappropriation, and infringement - "stealing" is a non-legal umbrella term that captures all of those.

If I download an album I otherwise wouldn't purchase, who am I depriving of what? There's no lost sale, no lost physical merchandise. All I've done is copy some 1's and 0's that are arranged in a certain order.

Which is why isn't theft or conversion, it's infringement. As you note, the former require deprivation of property. But all three of those are under the umbrella term, "stealing". That's also why, for example, it's called "stealing" rather than "deprivation".

Okay, so you want to argue with incorrect terminology, that's your prerogative.


No. He is right and you are wrong.

Part of the problem is you don't know how wrong you are, why you are wrong and how telling it is that you believe these things that are wrong.
 
2012-09-19 01:12:26 AM

Theaetetus: Girion47: Theaetetus: BgJonson79: It's the uploading that's illegal, not the downloading.

It's both. However, downloading is a lot tougher to catch and opens up more legitimate fair use arguments. It also allows the old "since I could download this song for $1 legally, your damages should only be $1" argument that doesn't apply to uploading. As a result, the RIAA has never gone after download-only folks.

Downloading is equivalent to recording a broadcast.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know the difference between unicast and multicast, or a response to a request and joining a stream.


Unless they disagree with your manifesto, apparently.
 
2012-09-19 01:24:13 AM

emotion_lotion: When you think about the production companies that own the record and movie studios and how much they screw the artists and the tax payers with the "hollywood accounting" and various other practices and how long that practice has been going on, I'd say we are not even close to catching up with them.

Let us pirate everything for the next 100 years, then we can talk.


You would feel differently if you made you living from royalties.
 
2012-09-19 04:01:28 AM
We are criminals and we have bad taste ...

USA! USA! USA!
 
2012-09-19 04:52:55 AM

Theaetetus: ZMugg: You can download these now?

[www.retroland.com image 650x300]

Yum!

You wouldn't download a cupcake.


Dude, if one of those "Yankee Doodle" things were to actually appear in front of me if I did (are those red velvet? They look like red velvet)...oh fark yes I'd do NOTHING but download cupcakes all day. I'd probably try downloading beer at some point, as well.
 
2012-09-19 12:06:48 PM
Hate the Drake
 
2012-09-19 12:46:27 PM

turdfergusonn: You people are missing the point here. Read the article again. In Canada, the #1 downloaded artist?

Kanye West.

It's all Canada's fault!


Have you heard normal canadian pop music? Makes kanye sound like a god.
 
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