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2012-09-18 05:58:49 PM

Stile4aly: If you reject what I say out of hand because of my faith then what's the point in arguing


He didn't reject it out of hand. He explained a number of points why he thought you were wrong (with more citations than you provided)
 
2012-09-18 06:05:01 PM

modesto: The cabbie thing was a silly anecdote.


Sure sounds like an anecdote.

I add this because taxi drivers are notoriously reliable bellwethers of all things political here


modesto: Not surprised you won't reply to my question of why the 18 million non-protesting muslims in this city were somehow able to restrain their murderous rage and convincingly appear to not give a fark


Mostly because you are pulling shiat out of your ass that doesn't have fark all to do with what I said.

Like the bolded part.

I never said all the non-protestors were filled with murderous rage. I pointed out (and backed it up with polls, and personal experience) that Egyptian muslims overwhelmingly have some very savage extremist views.
 
2012-09-18 06:23:40 PM

liam76: Stile4aly: If you reject what I say out of hand because of my faith then what's the point in arguing

He didn't reject it out of hand. He explained a number of points why he thought you were wrong (with more citations than you provided)


He first called me a liar and said it's to be expected because I'm a Muslim. If all Muslims are liars, then how can I convince him of anything.

Next, he presented a stilted summary of Muhammad's early years in Mecca which doesn't correspond with any historical view and concluding that Muhammad was a warlord, a thief, and a rapist.

Finally, he posts two hadith from Sahih Bukhari (not from the Qur'an as he mistakenly states) where Aisha discusses her betrothal to the prophet. As I've already stated, there is disagreement about the validity of the ages listed here. For what it's worth here is an article which discusses some of the inconsistencies in Aisha's narrations which lend credence to the idea that she was older than listed in the above hadith.
 
2012-09-18 06:25:27 PM

liam76: modesto: The cabbie thing was a silly anecdote.

Sure sounds like an anecdote.

I add this because taxi drivers are notoriously reliable bellwethers of all things political here


modesto: Not surprised you won't reply to my question of why the 18 million non-protesting muslims in this city were somehow able to restrain their murderous rage and convincingly appear to not give a fark

Mostly because you are pulling shiat out of your ass that doesn't have fark all to do with what I said.

Like the bolded part.

I never said all the non-protestors were filled with murderous rage. I pointed out (and backed it up with polls, and personal experience) that Egyptian muslims overwhelmingly have some very savage extremist views.


So if they have such savage and extremist views, why didn't they act on them by joining these protests or turning violent against non-Muslims in Egypt?
 
2012-09-18 06:30:57 PM

Stile4aly: liam76: modesto: The cabbie thing was a silly anecdote.

Sure sounds like an anecdote.

I add this because taxi drivers are notoriously reliable bellwethers of all things political here


modesto: Not surprised you won't reply to my question of why the 18 million non-protesting muslims in this city were somehow able to restrain their murderous rage and convincingly appear to not give a fark

Mostly because you are pulling shiat out of your ass that doesn't have fark all to do with what I said.

Like the bolded part.

I never said all the non-protestors were filled with murderous rage. I pointed out (and backed it up with polls, and personal experience) that Egyptian muslims overwhelmingly have some very savage extremist views.

So if they have such savage and extremist views, why didn't they act on them by joining these protests or turning violent against non-Muslims in Egypt?


Laziness.
 
2012-09-18 07:14:55 PM

Joe Blowme: How bout we read the quran? Same? just with out all the rape, incest, death, and destruction right?


Maybe I've missed it, but did you ever answer modesto's question of what you were doing in the Middle East in the 90s?
 
2012-09-18 07:19:59 PM
i48.tinypic.com

/ What is it with pictures of protesting yokels and the words "Go Packers" that seem to go together so well?
// Go. Packers.
 
2012-09-18 07:21:58 PM

Stile4aly: Next, he presented a stilted summary of Muhammad's early years in Mecca which doesn't correspond with any historical view and concluding that Muhammad was a warlord, a thief, and a rapist.


It corresponds far better than what you described.

Stile4aly: So if they have such savage and extremist views, why didn't they act on them by joining these protests or turning violent against non-Muslims in Egypt?


Having savage extremist views doesn't mean you are retarted, or that you don't have a job, or event hat you can't realize that burning shiat in front of the US embassy doesn't really hurt the people behind the film.

Doesn't change the fact that those polls show those views are there in Egyptian Muslims and very prominent.

As far as violence against non-Muslims, you may want to read up on why so many coptics were afraid when Mubarak left (and read up on those that were attacked before he even left).
 
2012-09-18 07:41:26 PM

EmmaLou: Sorry to point it out, but the Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same deity. I know nobody in any of those groups wants to hear that they're basically the same...but they are.


No they don't.

It is cute when I hear similar condescending shiat from Mormons. Normally me pointing out that if I said I was a Mormon, but I have a new Holy book, and most of their stuff is wrong, then point out a whole new set of rules, and afterlife then I asked them if we worshipped the same God, they would admit it was different.

I was brought up Catholic and they were pretty clear on teaching that it was insulting to Jews to say shiat like that.

It take s a lot of ignorance of other faiths to make those blanket statements. You are basically saying others are wrong and you are right on how to worship the same God. What is really funny to hear claims like that muslims is their treatment of the Bahá'í (and to a lesser extent the druze).
 
2012-09-18 09:07:58 PM
Rosemary and Time #ParsleySage
 
2012-09-18 09:52:05 PM

liam76: EmmaLou: Sorry to point it out, but the Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same deity. I know nobody in any of those groups wants to hear that they're basically the same...but they are.

No they don't.

It is cute when I hear similar condescending shiat from Mormons. Normally me pointing out that if I said I was a Mormon, but I have a new Holy book, and most of their stuff is wrong, then point out a whole new set of rules, and afterlife then I asked them if we worshipped the same God, they would admit it was different.

I was brought up Catholic and they were pretty clear on teaching that it was insulting to Jews to say shiat like that.

It take s a lot of ignorance of other faiths to make those blanket statements. You are basically saying others are wrong and you are right on how to worship the same God. What is really funny to hear claims like that muslims is their treatment of the Bahá'í (and to a lesser extent the druze).


Well, to be fair, they're all kooky. The Mormons have their own special brand of crazy going on.

/recovered mormon
 
2012-09-18 09:58:48 PM
Let's make a lot of farking money #arbitRAGE
 
2012-09-18 10:09:25 PM

JackieRabbit: We simply must come up with a perverse sex act to call "a Muslim Rage".


How about a cocktail named "Muslim Rage"?

/served in a prophet-shaped glass?
 
2012-09-18 11:36:29 PM

susansto-helit: atomicmask: Agreed to an arranged marriage at 45, find out wife is 10, to old for me! #muslimrage

Decaf. Look into it.

/the Twitter jokes were funny, Frances


Actually it was kinda funny, lighten up Frances.
 
2012-09-19 12:26:49 AM

liam76: Stile4aly: Next, he presented a stilted summary of Muhammad's early years in Mecca which doesn't correspond with any historical view and concluding that Muhammad was a warlord, a thief, and a rapist.

It corresponds far better than what you described.


No reputable historian relates the origins of Islam in anything close to the same vein as atomicmask. It reads more like something out of Robert Spencer or Pam Geller's websites.

Stile4aly: So if they have such savage and extremist views, why didn't they act on them by joining these protests or turning violent against non-Muslims in Egypt?

Having savage extremist views doesn't mean you are retarted, or that you don't have a job, or event hat you can't realize that burning shiat in front of the US embassy doesn't really hurt the people behind the film.


So, if thousands of Egyptians had turned out to protest or had become violent that would have proved your point. The fact that thousands did not turn out to protest also proves your point because all the others really want to protest and get violent, but can't because they have to be at work the next day.

Doesn't change the fact that those polls show those views are there in Egyptian Muslims and very prominent.

So, are you more interested in working to change those views, or simply demonizing people?

As far as violence against non-Muslims, you may want to read up on why so many coptics were afraid when Mubarak left (and read up on those that were attacked before he even left).

I am well aware of the historical persecution of Copts in Egypt, and although this persecution has not disappeared since the revolution, I believe there is hope of progress. Morsi has met with Coptic leaders, he has promised publically that the freedom of religion of Copts will be respected, and has promised to appoint a Copt to his cabinet. Again, the proof will be in the pudding.
 
2012-09-19 12:30:27 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Stile4aly:

FWIW, big respect points for not becoming childish and when faced with gang antagonism. And for analyzing the recent events in a reasonable way, without trying to shift blame or attention away from the topic.

You would probably be one of the few people on fark I could disagree with and have a fruitful conversation with at the same time.


I appreciate it. It's nice to know my desire to be civil isn't fruitless.
 
2012-09-19 05:36:36 AM

JackieRabbit: Muslims

Like

Nickleback


Great; you're just trying to keep the cycle of violence going, aren't you? How many lives will be required to atone for your outrageous comments, Infidel?

Also:
Been in a pot too long, now I'm ten days old #Pease PorRidge
 
2012-09-19 06:09:28 AM
The further from the fulcrum, the greater the mechanical advantage #LEVERAGE
 
2012-09-19 06:59:24 AM

Stile4aly: No reputable historian relates the origins of Islam in anything close to the same vein as atomicmask. It reads more like something out of Robert Spencer or Pam Geller's websites.


No reputable historian said he was asked to "behave" wrt other religions before he was tossed out? Mo didn't tell them their gods were false?

What did the Quarish do other than boycott him?

Odd that you are trying to justify Mo as not a warlord for raiding traders who didn't attack him because he had "strategic goals" to take a city in order to "protect hsi followers".

Once again, his version is far closer to anything I have read by historians (or what I got from the Koran).

Even if you dislike the connotation of "warlord*" he still lead people in battle and raided peopel who weren't attacking him for a stable, open and free society I will take a guy who idolizes a hippy who said turn the other cheek over that any day of the week. (*even though he was the leader both militarily and civily of the people he was directing, fighting for his goals which makes the definition correct regardless of how you like to see it)

Stile4aly: So, if thousands of Egyptians had turned out to protest or had become violent that would have proved your point. The fact that thousands did not turn out to protest also proves your point because all the others really want to protest and get violent, but can't because they have to be at work the next day.


No. What proves my point is the periodic violence towards non-muslims, and polls showing support for such actions, including things like death for apostacy, stoning fro adultery, and cutting off the hands for theives. You are trying to distract from that violence, and those pollls by pointing to 1 protest and saying since most muslims weren't there then they had no support (and I didn't just say work did I, I also pointed out that protesting there isn;t going to magically produce the peopel who made the film).

Stile4aly: So, are you more interested in working to change those views, or simply demonizing people?


You can't get real change unless people recognize it.

If you think people who change their faith deserve to be killed you are a farking savage in my book, call that "demonizing them" if you want, but it seems to me you are just apologizing for them.


Stile4aly: he has promised publically that the freedom of religion of Copts will be respected


He has also said they will base laws off the Koran. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive (see the point about apostocy above).
 
2012-09-19 08:24:51 AM
John Tesh's music really sucks! #NewAge
 
2012-09-19 09:00:16 AM

Stile4aly: Hermione_Granger: Now that my buzz is gone...

I think it's long past time we stopped judging Muslims or whoever by the worst of the people in their society. It would be like everybody judging America by the KKK.

We have to stop listening to the derp and start listening to the reasonable folks.

Haven't you been paying attention to atomicmask? There are no reasonable Muslims. I know what you're thinking; "I work with a Muslim guy, he seems nice enough" but that's what he wants you to believe. Beneath the surface, he seethes with rage at your stupid dhimmi face. You can't trust him because if you do then one day he'll invite you to dinner. You'll go to his house thinking about how evolved you are and how you're promoting cultural awareness and then BAM, the old fork in the eye.


There are no reasonable white people.
 
2012-09-19 11:23:53 AM

Publikwerks: Daughter is dating a Goy #JEWISHRAGE



Do lesbian Jews date Goyls???
 
2012-09-19 11:30:36 AM

lostcat: atomicmask: pute kisses like a man: people seem to use this term freedom of speech. wtf does it have to do with anything?

why on earth would anyone else give a flying fark about our constitutional protections? it's just the way this country does it, it's not some mandate from the law of the universe. no one else has to give a flying fark about freedom of speech, plus, it only protects you from government censorship... it doesn't protect you from being an ass and pissing people off

You have no concept about the law, or its intended purpose or meaning. It does not protect us from pissing people off, it protects us from violence because we pissed someone off. It is that whole "Civilized society" thing we got going for us. The law exists to protect the few from the many and the weak from the strong. Why on earth should we care if we offend people half way around the world?

The First Amendment protects individuals from laws passed that would restrict what we are allowed to say. It was intended more to let citizens speak out against the government, than to allow people to say whatever they want about any topic.

The freedom of speech also does not include:

- Speech that contains "fighting words" (insulting or abusive language that is likely to cause "an immediate violent response");
- Obscenities;
- Language or communication directed to inciting, producing or urging the commission of a crime;
- Defamation - words or communication that are false and untrue and are intended to injure the character and reputation of another person;
- Abusive, obscene or harassing telephone calls;
- Loud speech and loud noise meant by volume to disturb others or to create a clear and present danger of violence.


I've bolded the relevant point above, which is that saying something that results in the commission of a crime is not protected speech.

Producing a video with the sole intent to disturb shiat, possibly getting American citizens killed, is just willfully negligent, if not criminal, and the asshole responsible should be facing charges.


You're an idiot. That exception is narrowly confined to directly exhorting a specific person or group to commit a specific crime. You can say "Black people are subhuman." all day, and it's not illegal. You can't say "Black people are subhuman, kill one tonight." See the difference?

There's a disturbing temporal chauvinism in your implicit assumption that our generation alone and for all time, has achieved total consciousness.

Many of the ideals we hold most precious today were at one time offensive and ridiculous to every right, thinking person. Punishing people for the actions others take in response to their views isn't just unAmerican, it's dehumanizing.

It stems from the handwringing desire to soothe every hurt feeling and write away every stray trear. The only way to ensure no one ever gets their feelings hurt is to prevent everyone from expressing anything remotely controversial or challenging. A life of neutral stasis. fark that noise.
 
2012-09-19 01:14:29 PM

Marine1: Went to a rap club, found out my cotillion dance classes just didn't cut it on the dance floor. #WASPRAGE



Tried to study entomology, got stung on the final exam. #wasprage
 
2012-09-19 01:23:57 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: During gang-rape of blonde reporter, some of Abdul's jizz got on my leg #MUSLIMRAGE

/sorry. too far I know.



I got nothing but altergirls in my parish. #preiestrage
 
2012-09-20 01:14:20 AM

serialsuicidebomber: Debeo Summa Credo: During gang-rape of blonde reporter, some of Abdul's jizz got on my leg #MUSLIMRAGE

/sorry. too far I know.


I got nothing but altergirls in my parish. #preiestrage



DAMN, I meant '#priestrage'.
 
2012-09-20 01:21:57 AM

liam76: modesto: liam76: modesto: liam76:

blah blah blah (breath) blah blah blah....... Expecting honesty out of a cab driver on his feelings towards your country is like expecting honesty out of a hooker on how you kiss.



You can kiss a hooker???!!!???

-need to book an appointment STAT!
 
2012-09-20 01:39:20 AM

L33t Squirrel: Can't get angry, found inner peace.
#Zen



Took my meds, all is calm now. #quakerrage
 
2012-09-20 11:06:03 AM

serialsuicidebomber: serialsuicidebomber: Debeo Summa Credo: During gang-rape of blonde reporter, some of Abdul's jizz got on my leg #MUSLIMRAGE

/sorry. too far I know.


I got nothing but altergirls in my parish. #preiestrage


DAMN, I meant '#priestrage'.


It was still funny...
 
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