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(NBC Chicago)   American Airlines flight diverted to remote area of JFK because of security threat but authorities decline to tell the Captain what the circumstances are. Captain takes minor umbrage over the situation   (nbcchicago.com) divider line 139
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2012-09-18 08:23:17 AM
Farkin' A, Bubba.
 
2012-09-18 08:33:46 AM
An anonymous call reporting a hijacker but they waited until the plane was on the ground at it's destination and after nothing had clearly happened they still went through with this song and dance? And wouldn't tell the captain what was going on?

/I know the airlines and controllers don't like to think of it this way but FAA regulations say that the pilot is the captain of his ship and is in charge of everything that happens on the aircraft.
 
2012-09-18 09:08:04 AM
Give the Pilot a medal and the LEOs new underwear.
Pussies.
 
2012-09-18 09:20:45 AM
Terrorists hiding in the wheel wells?

I know a pretty good solution to that problem. Climb up to 30,000 and cruise a bit.
 
2012-09-18 09:45:51 AM

Voiceofreason01: /I know the airlines and controllers don't like to think of it this way but FAA regulations say that the pilot is the captain of his ship and is in charge of everything that happens on the aircraft.


And the captains know it. You dont have to be a cocky SOB to be a pilot, but it doesnt hurt.
 
2012-09-18 09:49:11 AM
The plane was carrying four federal air marshals.

Wow, were they plain-clothed or actively on duty? That's a lot of air marshals for one flight.
 
2012-09-18 09:57:07 AM
That plane came in from Helsinki, anyone hiding in the wheel wells would no longer be a problem except perhaps as FOD.
 
2012-09-18 10:46:20 AM
The Port Authority Police received a phoned threat that hijackers wearing gas masks were hiding in the wheel wells of the American Airlines plane, but the information was vague

OK anyone with a brain who heard that they should have known it was a hoax. Then again, we're talking about the Port Authority here.

About the guy that fell from the wheel well of plane last week and went splat on a street near Heathrow:

Richard Taylor, from the Civil Aviation Authority, said the man was likely to have been dead for the entire journey because he would either have been crushed by the wheels being raised after take-off or frozen in temperatures of up to -40F (-40C ).

He said: "The chances of survival for a stowaway are very slim, particularly in the recess of the landing gear if someone tried to stowaway there.

"More likely they would be crushed when the landing gear retracted."
 
2012-09-18 10:53:52 AM

Barfmaker: anyone hiding in the wheel wells would no longer be a problem except perhaps as FOD.


I don't know why that made me laugh as hard as I did.
 
2012-09-18 11:20:11 AM
I'm a little surprised that it isn't "Former American Airlines Pilot".
 
2012-09-18 11:20:59 AM
The repurposed pizza delivery fool knows, but it would not be prudent to share the derp w/ the captain.

Good thinking, he might make fun of you.
 
2012-09-18 11:21:07 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

\sorry, had to
 
2012-09-18 11:21:47 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Farkin' A, Bubba.


He's a pilot, you tell him the condition of his aircraft.
 
2012-09-18 11:21:50 AM
Umm, "gas masks"?

WTF?
 
2012-09-18 11:22:27 AM
We have got to stop overreacting to shiat like this or our entire transportation network, education and government systems are going to come to a screeching halt while we spend all our time searching everywhere for invisible monsters b/c of vague phoned in threats.

Hijackers, in the wheel wells, of planes about to land. It doesn't get more silly than that.
 
2012-09-18 11:24:45 AM
How exactly do you plan to hijack an airplane from the wheel wells anyways? Drill into the body of the plane?
 
2012-09-18 11:25:12 AM
And on 9/18, no less.
 
2012-09-18 11:25:44 AM

doglover: Terrorists hiding in the wheel wells?

I know a pretty good solution to that problem. Climb up to 30,000 and cruise a bit.


Don't raise the gear just to make sure.
 
2012-09-18 11:25:55 AM

susler: We have got to stop overreacting to shiat like this or our entire transportation network, education and government systems are going to come to a screeching halt while we spend all our time searching everywhere for invisible monsters b/c of vague phoned in threats.

Hijackers, in the wheel wells, of planes about to land. It doesn't get more silly than that.


YES, thank you.

I'm no engineer, medical doctor, or any certifications besides the ability to sell Health & Life in the State of Nebraska. BUT I do know you couldn't survive that flight.
 
2012-09-18 11:27:03 AM

snocone: Umm, "gas masks"?

WTF?



They probably mean breathing apparatus. The air is gonna get thin at 30K feet. You would want an oxygen supply.

Glad nobody was hurt, and good on the pilot for forcing their hand. I hate that "you don't need to know" crap.
 
2012-09-18 11:27:30 AM

YixilTesiphon: How exactly do you plan to hijack an airplane from the wheel wells anyways? Drill into the body of the plane?


Those hijackers are sneaky.
 
2012-09-18 11:30:01 AM
The hijackers brought motherfarking snakes on the motherfarking plane and Samuel L. Jackson wasn't there to take control of the situation. That and John McClaine was on vacation.
 
2012-09-18 11:30:13 AM
The captain should have been pissed. He is ultimately responsible for the safety of his aircraft and passengers. He is to be apprised immediately of any danger or potential danger. He is in command of the aircraft; he is the final authority, not some controller or cop.
 
2012-09-18 11:30:18 AM
I remember on my last flight from Moscow to New York that they had a monitor of all the plane's info like altitude, etc. One of them was temp outside of the plane; it was -60F, IIRC.

Have fun in the wheel well of that.
 
2012-09-18 11:30:34 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: And on 9/18, no less.


NEVAR FORGET.
 
2012-09-18 11:31:00 AM

KingVJ: susler: We have got to stop overreacting to shiat like this or our entire transportation network, education and government systems are going to come to a screeching halt while we spend all our time searching everywhere for invisible monsters b/c of vague phoned in threats.

Hijackers, in the wheel wells, of planes about to land. It doesn't get more silly than that.

YES, thank you.

I'm no engineer, medical doctor, or any certifications besides the ability to sell Health & Life in the State of Nebraska. BUT I do know you couldn't survive that flight.


People survive worse, if properly clothed and with a gas mask, but you'd be stationary in -40 temperatures for about a day packed into a tiny space. You'd have to be pretty hardcore to do that, and I don't think you'd be walking around after you landed. Also, are these suppsed to be small children or contortionists?
 
2012-09-18 11:31:12 AM

YixilTesiphon: How exactly do you plan to hijack an airplane from the wheel wells anyways? Drill into the body of the plane?


Didn't you see Toy Story 2? Woody was able to open a little door right above the wheel well from inside the the luggage compartment. Sheesshhh! Don't you know anything about planes?
 
2012-09-18 11:31:33 AM
vudukungfu

Give the Pilot a medal and the LEOs new underwear termination notices.
Pussies.


ftfy
 
2012-09-18 11:32:15 AM
I wonder when actual terrorists are going to figure out that the best way to do it is to first call in an obviously bullshiat threat, wait for all the cops to be farking around with that, then do whatever they want elsewhere without fear of being interrupted.

Same thing with bullshiat threats to colleges.

But yeah, I'm with the pilot on this one. I suspect they didn't want to tell him because when they did, he'd tell them how farking stupid they were to take it seriously. Terrorists in wheel wells? Right.
 
2012-09-18 11:33:36 AM
I hate that "you don't need to know" crap.

THIS.

So many of these supposely "highly trained" LEOs are little different from snotty sixth graders...

/I got special information and I'm not telling you 'cause you're not special like I am...'cause, like, I'm awesome an' stuff....
 
2012-09-18 11:34:01 AM

Gonz: He's a pilot, you tell him the condition of his aircraft.


Good eye!
 
2012-09-18 11:34:17 AM
The pilot sounded like he was tired of all these motherfarkin' Swedish terrorists on his motherfarkin' plane.
 
2012-09-18 11:35:32 AM
So, at this point, we are plagued by hoaxes that cost those who want to harm America the price of a phone call, and force us to spend a fortune on security responses? Three universities, two aircraft, and counting.

Anyone got a bright idea that's not "ignore anonymous threats"?
 
2012-09-18 11:35:53 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: KingVJ: susler: We have got to stop overreacting to shiat like this or our entire transportation network, education and government systems are going to come to a screeching halt while we spend all our time searching everywhere for invisible monsters b/c of vague phoned in threats.

Hijackers, in the wheel wells, of planes about to land. It doesn't get more silly than that.

YES, thank you.

I'm no engineer, medical doctor, or any certifications besides the ability to sell Health & Life in the State of Nebraska. BUT I do know you couldn't survive that flight.

People survive worse, if properly clothed and with a gas mask, but you'd be stationary in -40 temperatures for about a day packed into a tiny space. You'd have to be pretty hardcore to do that, and I don't think you'd be walking around after you landed. Also, are these suppsed to be small children or contortionists?


Farking idiots!
Gas Mask???

Good luck!

btw, gas mask is a filter, not an air supply.
 
2012-09-18 11:36:25 AM
He's a HERO for doing what exactly? I just watched a video about a "tense exchange" with air traffic control but I didn't read the article. Was the hero part in the article?
 
2012-09-18 11:36:28 AM
Finally, the controller tells the pilot, "We have the information. Can you possibly call?"
The pilot responds, "Negative. I would demand the information right now over a frequency."


I don't get this. Everyone can listen to ATC frequencies, but nobody can listen to the pilot's phone. If there really were something going down on the plane, wouldn't you maybe want to keep what you knew private?

I mean, yeah, the chances of one vague anonymous call leading to an action movie plot are pretty goddamn low. So if I'm the pilot of the plane that's being kept in the dark, I'm going to be rrrrrrrrrrrrrrroyally pissed and highly sarcastic. But then again, the plane is on the ground at this point. His responsibility to be Boss of the Plane and a Big Damn Hero is, no offense, considerably lessened at that point. The time to lose your shiat and burst a vein in your forehead over the stupidity is while you're being interviewed by local news, not before.

My point is, I get where the guy is coming from. Clearly it's a stupid situation. But in the one-in-a-billion case where they have a good reason to keep him in the dark, his refusal to STFU becomes the Tragic Error that Dooms Flight Two-Niner-Six or something like that.
 
2012-09-18 11:37:14 AM
filmdrunk.uproxx.com
 
2012-09-18 11:37:20 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: KingVJ: susler: We have got to stop overreacting to shiat like this or our entire transportation network, education and government systems are going to come to a screeching halt while we spend all our time searching everywhere for invisible monsters b/c of vague phoned in threats.

Hijackers, in the wheel wells, of planes about to land. It doesn't get more silly than that.

YES, thank you.

I'm no engineer, medical doctor, or any certifications besides the ability to sell Health & Life in the State of Nebraska. BUT I do know you couldn't survive that flight.

People survive worse, if properly clothed and with a gas mask, but you'd be stationary in -40 temperatures for about a day packed into a tiny space. You'd have to be pretty hardcore to do that, and I don't think you'd be walking around after you landed. Also, are these suppsed to be small children or contortionists?


You'd also probably be at the start of the runway, since with the frostbite to your hands, you're probably not going to be able to hold on through the bump of landing.
 
2012-09-18 11:39:29 AM
Either tell me what's going on, or we're all getting out.

OK, I guess I can see this.

I refuse to call a phone number; I demand that this obviously security-sensitive information be broadcast in the clear to everyone in a 20 mile+ radius.

"Paging Captain Oveur, Captain Oveur, to the white courtesy phone."
"This is Captain Oveur; what is it?"
"You're fired."
 
2012-09-18 11:39:37 AM
You can survive in a jet's wheel well at 38,000 feet. link

But if you stowaway, you knew what you were getting into. I say let 'em die.
 
2012-09-18 11:39:59 AM
I really miss the days when the threat was "commies" hiding everywhere.

Such simpler times.
 
2012-09-18 11:41:33 AM

susler: We have got to stop overreacting to shiat like this or our entire transportation network, education and government systems are going to come to a screeching halt while we spend all our time searching everywhere for invisible monsters b/c of vague phoned in threats.

Hijackers, in the wheel wells, of planes about to land. It doesn't get more silly than that.


Alligators in the sewers.
 
2012-09-18 11:42:53 AM
Why would anyone hijack a plane anymore? Much better to gas a school, as far as fear to cost ratio goes.
 
2012-09-18 11:43:58 AM
As a fellow Captain, I salute you sir.
 
2012-09-18 11:44:46 AM

RDixon: I really miss the days when the threat was "commies" hiding everywhere.

Such simpler times.


Hiding being the key word. Never had to have my 6 month old daughter's Barney flip-flops x-rayed because of the red menace.
 
2012-09-18 11:47:09 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: -40 temperatures


That's not many temperatures. I usually like more temperatures.
 
2012-09-18 11:47:12 AM
www.etherealdivine.com
BYE, PINBALL!

// can't believe I'm the first
 
2012-09-18 11:52:18 AM

semiotix: Finally, the controller tells the pilot, "We have the information. Can you possibly call?"
The pilot responds, "Negative. I would demand the information right now over a frequency."

I don't get this. Everyone can listen to ATC frequencies, but nobody can listen to the pilot's phone. If there really were something going down on the plane, wouldn't you maybe want to keep what you knew private?

I mean, yeah, the chances of one vague anonymous call leading to an action movie plot are pretty goddamn low. So if I'm the pilot of the plane that's being kept in the dark, I'm going to be rrrrrrrrrrrrrrroyally pissed and highly sarcastic. But then again, the plane is on the ground at this point. His responsibility to be Boss of the Plane and a Big Damn Hero is, no offense, considerably lessened at that point. The time to lose your shiat and burst a vein in your forehead over the stupidity is while you're being interviewed by local news, not before.

My point is, I get where the guy is coming from. Clearly it's a stupid situation. But in the one-in-a-billion case where they have a good reason to keep him in the dark, his refusal to STFU becomes the Tragic Error that Dooms Flight Two-Niner-Six or something like that.


I'm an airline pilot and have done things like this before too. The reason for the radio vs phone call...

1) Its faster, easier, doesn't require dialing, getting a signal, connected to the right person, explaining who you are, etc. If something is going on and I feel I need to know RIGHT NOW, I don't care who hears about it, I want to be told. Its obvious, thanks to all the emergency vehicles, that something is going on anyways.

2) Even more so this aspect.... radio transmissions are recorded by both ATC and the airplane's cockpit voice recorder. There is a paper trail and people can be held accountable. Phone conversations are not. If my career could be impacted by whats going on, I want it on tape.
 
2012-09-18 11:52:25 AM
It feels like there has been a sublime ratcheting up of the fear rhetoric since 9/11.

/strange things are afoot at the Circle-K
 
2012-09-18 11:54:40 AM
The Port Authority Police received a phoned threat that hijackers wearing gas masks were hiding in the wheel wells of the American Airlines plane, but the information was vague, sources said.


www.simpsoncrazy.com
 
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