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(WBIR Knoxville)   Anti-religion organization wants the University of Tennessee to stop conducting prayers before football games. Welp, there goes any chance the Vols had against Georgia and Bama   (wbir.com) divider line 90
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2012-09-18 09:34:16 AM  
As if they ever had a chance.
 
2012-09-18 09:35:38 AM  
Someone wants something reasonable? Must be Satan.
 
2012-09-18 09:41:18 AM  

Krymson Tyde: As if they ever had a chance.


[thats_the_joke.jpg]
 
2012-09-18 09:42:58 AM  
Check out the thread number: 7333337.

A man, a plan, a canal: Panama!
 
2012-09-18 10:03:19 AM  
That'll go over like a fart in church.
 
2012-09-18 10:08:32 AM  
Solution: www.qualityjoiners.com

Really, FFRF, everyone knows the pregame prayer is the best time to mix your bourbon and coke.
 
2012-09-18 10:15:08 AM  

the_rev: Krymson Tyde: As if they ever had a chance.

[thats_the_joke.jpg]


I just wanted to get in a quick kick in the teeth while the getting was good.
 
2012-09-18 10:24:34 AM  
They should follow the great Tennessee tradition of religious tolerance and burn down their place of worship.
 
2012-09-18 11:11:35 AM  

Aarontology: They should follow the great Tennessee tradition of religious tolerance and burn down their place of worship.


Ever been to Neyland Stadium?
 
2012-09-18 11:55:52 AM  
Subby, UGA will eventually show that they do not deserve to be in any level of NCAA football.
 
2012-09-18 11:59:43 AM  

mysticcat: Solution:

Really, FFRF, everyone knows the pregame prayer is the best time to mix your bourbon and coke.


It's a public school and a public function. If I wanted to pray to Jesus with other people, I'd go to a church.
 
2012-09-18 12:11:51 PM  

mysticcat: Aarontology: They should follow the great Tennessee tradition of religious tolerance and burn down their place of worship.

Ever been to Neyland Stadium?


Well, they do tend to start burning the Fort when there's a big win.
 
2012-09-18 12:13:17 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: mysticcat: Solution:

Really, FFRF, everyone knows the pregame prayer is the best time to mix your bourbon and coke.

It's a public school and a public function. If I wanted to pray to Jesus with other people, I'd go to a church.


Then don't pray to Jesus. Go get a stadium dog, sing Rocky Top, check your twitter feed, do whatever. Don't be so easily offended.
 
2012-09-18 12:14:06 PM  

GAT_00: mysticcat: Aarontology: They should follow the great Tennessee tradition of religious tolerance and burn down their place of worship.

Ever been to Neyland Stadium?

Well, they do tend to start burning the Fort when there's a big win.


You can remember back that far?
 
2012-09-18 12:16:08 PM  

mysticcat: GAT_00: mysticcat: Aarontology: They should follow the great Tennessee tradition of religious tolerance and burn down their place of worship.

Ever been to Neyland Stadium?

Well, they do tend to start burning the Fort when there's a big win.

You can remember back that far?


I may be going off of others memory for that.
 
2012-09-18 12:23:04 PM  

mysticcat: Then don't pray to Jesus. Go get a stadium dog, sing Rocky Top, check your twitter feed, do whatever. Don't be so easily offended.


It's a public university. It belongs to everyone, not just Christians. That's pointing out the obvious. That's different than being offended. I bet if the tables were turned and someone asked for respect while they prayed to Allah, there'd be pearl-clutching for days.

Also, funny headline, subster. +1.
 
2012-09-18 12:27:19 PM  

Di Atribe: Also, funny headline, subster. +1.


*wink*
 
2012-09-18 12:37:58 PM  

Di Atribe: mysticcat: Then don't pray to Jesus. Go get a stadium dog, sing Rocky Top, check your twitter feed, do whatever. Don't be so easily offended.

It's a public university. It belongs to everyone, not just Christians. That's pointing out the obvious. That's different than being offended. I bet if the tables were turned and someone asked for respect while they prayed to Allah, there'd be pearl-clutching for days.

Also, funny headline, subster. +1.


You're probably right about praying to Allah. There's so much anti-Islam derp in East TN, that I'm sure it would be a huge kerfuffle.

Nevertheless, I know for a fact that Rabbis and Greek Orthodox ministers have led the pregame prayer, though it is usually a Christian minister who gives a very universal and non-specific prayer.

I think the .001% of people whose delicate sensibilities are offended by this need to lighten up.
 
2012-09-18 12:38:24 PM  

the_rev: Di Atribe: Also, funny headline, subster. +1.

*wink*


Hey, we played a good half against Florida.

Di Atribe: someone asked for respect while they prayed to Allah, there'd be pearl-clutching for days.


Given how packed in that stadium is, the resulting carnage would be thousands of deaths.
 
2012-09-18 12:39:00 PM  
I'm going to pray for better spelling. Georiga?
 
2012-09-18 12:39:14 PM  
www.poeticatheist.com
 
2012-09-18 12:40:13 PM  

the_rev: Check out the thread number: 7333337.

A man, a plan, a canal: Panama!


madam in eden, i am adam.
 
2012-09-18 12:43:30 PM  
and people in hell want ice water.
 
2012-09-18 12:47:12 PM  

mysticcat: Darth_Lukecash: mysticcat: Solution:

Really, FFRF, everyone knows the pregame prayer is the best time to mix your bourbon and coke.

It's a public school and a public function. If I wanted to pray to Jesus with other people, I'd go to a church.

Then don't pray to Jesus. Go get a stadium dog, sing Rocky Top, check your twitter feed, do whatever. Don't be so easily offended.


I'm offended that religious views are being forced upon from a government funded school. I'm offended that I should just "put up with it"

I have no problem if people are religious. What problem I have is they think their religious freedoms override mine.

No more.
 
2012-09-18 12:57:19 PM  

Krymson Tyde: the_rev: Krymson Tyde: As if they ever had a chance.

[thats_the_joke.jpg]

I just wanted to get in a quick kick in the teeth while the getting was good.


that's just what dooley wants bama and georgia to believe. he had bray and the defense sandbag the second half since he knows florida is good for at least 3 more sec losses. that's some long term strategic thinking. sneak up on unsuspecting foes. he's got a lawyer sharp mind you know. with those orange pants it's hard to sneak anywhere, yet georgia and bama (and south carolina) have now been lulled into thinking the tennessee game will be a cakewalk. but then come game time (especially during the third saturday in october)... i'll start drinking heavily because it's going to be ugly; our o-line may have experience, but they probably would struggle to open holes in swiss cheese; and then after the season bray, hunter, and patterson will all go pro.
 
2012-09-18 01:00:29 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: I'm offended that religious views are being forced upon from a government funded school. I'm offended that I should just "put up with it"


Agreed - but perhaps it's best to pick your battles - like winnable ones.
 
2012-09-18 01:01:47 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: mysticcat: Darth_Lukecash: mysticcat: Solution:

Really, FFRF, everyone knows the pregame prayer is the best time to mix your bourbon and coke.

It's a public school and a public function. If I wanted to pray to Jesus with other people, I'd go to a church.

Then don't pray to Jesus. Go get a stadium dog, sing Rocky Top, check your twitter feed, do whatever. Don't be so easily offended.

I'm offended that religious views are being forced upon from a government funded school. I'm offended that I should just "put up with it"

I have no problem if people are religious. What problem I have is they think their religious freedoms override mine.

No more.



Blah, Blah, Blah is all I heard.
 
2012-09-18 01:08:28 PM  
Darth, do you go to these football games?

Can you name 3 other examples where people force their religious views on you. Bonus points if you cite examples where they are funded by the government.
 
2012-09-18 01:15:02 PM  

bluorangefyre: Subby, UGA will eventually show that they do not deserve to be in any level of NCAA football.


Is this from a UT fan? If so lulz were had by all UGA fans.
 
2012-09-18 01:16:15 PM  

mkhamy: Can you name 3 other examples where people force their religious views on you. Bonus points if you cite examples where they are funded by the government.


you that's really easy in modern america. look at your money, the pledge of allegiance, pretty much any high school sporting event, hell some court rooms, etc. it's not like it should be a big deal to not pray; a) there's the first amendment, b) there's matthew 6:5-6. "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners football stadiums to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (ftfmatthew)

other than those to two tiny things, it's all good.
 
2012-09-18 01:24:38 PM  
As an atheist... tell this group to shut up. Prayer in sports is superstition to me. If it helps a team get their mind right let them do it
 
2012-09-18 01:26:47 PM  
A Fark Handle:

The First Amendment gives us the right to pray in stadiums. All it is is speech. Talking to our Heavenly Father.

Matthew 6:5-6 was not written to people attending football games. Look into the context and audience it was written for. I'm not sure these people at the football game are praying to be "seen by men". I don't know much about what these people were doing, but it looks like a beautiful, humbling gesture.
 
2012-09-18 01:33:26 PM  

Chunks McGunks: Is this from a UT fan? If so lulz were had by all UGA fans.


Until they realized their social workers explained to them that a guy named blueorangefyre is probably a Florida fan.
 
2012-09-18 01:40:38 PM  
Considering Saban is God now in Alabama do they think he will listen?
 
2012-09-18 01:41:00 PM  

stpauler: Someone wants something reasonable? Must be Satan.



Taking away people's rights to free speech and assembly? Yeah, that sounds satanic to me too.
 
2012-09-18 01:46:06 PM  

Kurmudgeon: stpauler: Someone wants something reasonable? Must be Satan.


Taking away people's rights to free speech and assembly? Yeah, that sounds satanic to me too.


The people can still do it. They just won't have it organized by a tax payer institution. Therein lies the difference.
 
2012-09-18 01:48:03 PM  

mkhamy: A Fark Handle:

The First Amendment gives us the right to pray in stadiums. All it is is speech. Talking to our Heavenly Father.

Matthew 6:5-6 was not written to people attending football games. Look into the context and audience it was written for. I'm not sure these people at the football game are praying to be "seen by men".


the first amendment gives individuals the right to pray in stadiums, but also limits the government and agency there of from leading prayers. it's the difference in a moment of silence (to do what you like) and a prayer read over the sound system. as for matthew 6:5-6 it's pretty clear what the point is (especially in the context of matthew 6:1-18); public displays of faith are hollow. and prayer before a football game obviously is prayer for the eyes of men because god clearly doesn't give as rat's ass about tennessee football. though maybe if all of those fans would have prayed before leaving their rooms, then it would make a difference and the defense could tackle.
 
2012-09-18 01:55:11 PM  

Kurmudgeon: stpauler: Someone wants something reasonable? Must be Satan.


Taking away people's rights to free speech and assembly? Yeah, that sounds satanic to me too.


I don't have the right to assemble a "Let's Kill the President" rally, nor do I have the right to give speeches on that theme (at any rally). Also, the government does not have the right to promote an establishment of religion. I'd expect such Constitution-respecters to understand that.

Also, regarding three times I personally have been roped into a religious participation by government people:
1. My brother's graduation from Basic Training at Fort Knox, Kentucky December 2006. The chaplain closes the invocation with "in Jesus' name we pray." No, WE - the Jews who traveled 1000 farking miles to watch our son/brother be honored by his government for completing military training, as well as the millions of others nationwide before and since - certainly do farking not.
2. No alcohol on Sundays. And fark SCOTUS for not seeing that as a religion-based law. I lump in all the government functions that aren't available on Sundays that are available on Saturdays. It's mostly recently that they started adding Saturday hours for things, but that's tone-deaf in terms of being egalitarian.
3. Religious holidays are federal holidays. Christmas is a paid day off? Fark that noise. In MoCo (MD), the public schools graciously gives all students a day off for Rosh Hashanna. Which is nice, until you realize that it's two farking days.

I swear, you people don't realize how Christian "secular" society is. Not in a "here's a tract and some guilt" way, but in a "We do things Jesus' way here. Why? Just 'cause" way.
 
2012-09-18 02:39:55 PM  
A Fark Handle:

Yea, Jesus probably doesn't need us praying before something that pretty much has nothing to do with God (football).

I've still heard some good public prayers where we pray for troops and victims of natural disasters. It is amazing to see something like that. It seems like now there will just be the national anthem and a public announcer promoting the local Ford dealership. A tribute to the government and money.
 
2012-09-18 02:53:15 PM  
Why would you choose to be anti-religion? Serious question. I don't know what side of the fence I am on at times but being that much of an athiest as to push your belief on others (sound familiar?) is just as dumb as the religious nutjobs.
 
2012-09-18 03:13:46 PM  

A Fark Handle: mkhamy: A Fark Handle:

The First Amendment gives us the right to pray in stadiums. All it is is speech. Talking to our Heavenly Father.

Matthew 6:5-6 was not written to people attending football games. Look into the context and audience it was written for. I'm not sure these people at the football game are praying to be "seen by men".

the first amendment gives individuals the right to pray in stadiums, but also limits the government and agency there of from leading prayers. it's the difference in a moment of silence (to do what you like) and a prayer read over the sound system. as for matthew 6:5-6 it's pretty clear what the point is (especially in the context of matthew 6:1-18); public displays of faith are hollow. and prayer before a football game obviously is prayer for the eyes of men because god clearly doesn't give as rat's ass about tennessee football. though maybe if all of those fans would have prayed before leaving their rooms, then it would make a difference and the defense could tackle.


I see you know absolutely nothing about either the actual context of that quote from Matthew or what the prayer before the game is. The times I've heard the prayer, it's a benign piece of fluff about protecting the players, a safe game, etc., etc. Jesus' admonition about praying in public in the Sermon on the Mount was about public displays of false piety - the Lord knows when you are legitimately praying and when you are just trying to impress people with your piety. He wasn't saying "shut up and pray behind closed doors." He goes on to lead teach the crowd before him the words to The Lord's Prayer after that. Why would he say "Don't pray in public" and then lead a prayer in public? That's dumb. The only people I've ever heard argue this are insecure atheists who have their knickers in a twist every time someone prays in public. As for the prayer before a UT game, I don't think it's a BFD, but if you're afraid you're going to catch the Jesus from hearing a ten second convocation, well, go buy some popcorn or something while it's going on. No one is going to force you to pray.
 
2012-09-18 03:43:01 PM  

Nabb1: I see you know absolutely nothing about either the actual context of that quote from Matthew or what the prayer before the game is. The times I've heard the prayer, it's a benign piece of fluff about protecting the players, a safe game, etc., etc. Jesus' admonition about praying in public in the Sermon on the Mount was about public displays of false piety - the Lord knows when you are legitimately praying and when you are just trying to impress people with your piety. He wasn't saying "shut up and pray behind closed doors." He goes on to lead teach the crowd before him the words to The Lord's Prayer after that. Why would he say "Don't pray in public" and then lead a prayer in public? That's dumb. The only people I've ever heard argue this are insecure atheists who have their knickers in a twist every time someone prays in public. As for the prayer before a UT game, I don't think it's a BFD, but if you're afraid you're going to catch the Jesus from hearing a ten second convocation, well, go buy some popcorn or something while it's going on. No one is going to force you to pray.


i know plenty about both. and there's no need for a prayer before a football game. and given the constitution of the united states there should not be a prayer before the football game of a publicly funded school. the players, coaches, parents, and fans can pray individually or in small groups for victory, safety, 300 yards and 4 tds. whatever. hell, i'm fine with there being a moment of silence for this to take place. there should not be a prayer over the stadium sound system. you're right that jesus does go onto say the lord's prayer in matthew, but; a) he's instructing them on prayer, not leading it; b) even if you assume he's leading a group prayer it is a group of the faithful. notice that it's a self-selected group that came together for a religious, non-football purpose. that is what church, bible study, or prayer trees/groups, sermons on the mount, small groups at the big game, etc is for. get together and pray. i don't give a fark if others pray. but it should not be at the stadium. hell, it can be at the stadium, if it's not a game day and a religious group wants to rent it out, and hold the world's largest orange and saved revival ever. go for it.

/realizes it will always happen. it's east tennessee.  doesn't mean it's right.
 
2012-09-18 03:58:28 PM  
If it's optional, why do I always get chastised by nearby fans in Neyland Stadium when I don't take off my hat for the prayer?
 
2012-09-18 04:12:16 PM  

rebelpride644: Why would you choose to be anti-religion? Serious question. I don't know what side of the fence I am on at times but being that much of an athiest as to push your belief on others (sound familiar?) is just as dumb as the religious nutjobs.


 
Exactly.  I'm not religious.  I don't make a point of it unless someone wants to have a conversation on religion (because religion is interesting to me, and I dig some things from a variety of religions.)
 
2012-09-18 04:13:28 PM  

PredDawg8: If it's optional, why do I always get chastised by nearby fans in Neyland Stadium when I don't take off my hat for the prayer?


That's offensive to the prophet
 
2012-09-18 04:16:54 PM  

PredDawg8: If it's optional, why do I always get chastised by nearby fans in Neyland Stadium when I don't take off my hat for the prayer?


Because it's red and has a big "G" on it?
 
2012-09-18 04:17:56 PM  

farbekrieg: the_rev: Check out the thread number: 7333337.

A man, a plan, a canal: Panama!

madam in eden, i am adam.


Deliver no evil, avid diva... live on, reviled.
 
2012-09-18 04:21:31 PM  

mysticcat: Darth_Lukecash: mysticcat: Solution:

Really, FFRF, everyone knows the pregame prayer is the best time to mix your bourbon and coke.

It's a public school and a public function. If I wanted to pray to Jesus with other people, I'd go to a church.

Then don't pray to Jesus. Go get a stadium dog, sing Rocky Top, check your twitter feed, do whatever. Don't be so easily offended.


yes because having an issue with an egregious violation of the constitution is 'being easily offended.'
 
2012-09-18 04:45:42 PM  
Is a college football game an event supported by public funds?
 
2012-09-18 04:47:30 PM  

Kazan: mysticcat: Darth_Lukecash: mysticcat: Solution:

Really, FFRF, everyone knows the pregame prayer is the best time to mix your bourbon and coke.

It's a public school and a public function. If I wanted to pray to Jesus with other people, I'd go to a church.

Then don't pray to Jesus. Go get a stadium dog, sing Rocky Top, check your twitter feed, do whatever. Don't be so easily offended.

yes because having an issue with an egregious violation of the constitution is 'being easily offended.'



You are about 2600 miles away from Neyland... You will have to work hard to be offended, but I am sure you will manage since this is an "egregious violation" and all.

/ I love watching the little people get their feelings hurt by someone else doing something completely innocuous. // Whargarbl away...
 
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