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2012-09-18 12:23:56 PM  

ObscureNameHere: ReverendLoki: ObscureNameHere: wippit: What, no Jenny?

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Or are we limited to just companions?

I really REALLY wish they would have brought her back into the story line.

Like HELLO! You created ANOTHER TIME LORD! Took a ship and left the planet of her creation to go explore the universe. Might be worth a re-visit...

They created another person with Gallifrean genetics. As I understand it, it takes training to be a Time Lord.. or something like that. Not that she couldn't then be trained...

For that matter, you know that pocket watch that the Doctor and the Master used to become human to hide from those looking for Time Lords? Why couldn't they just use one to turn Donna biologically Gallifrean, to match the Time Lord mind she gained? Start rebuilding the Time Lords and all that.

Tricky. I sort of got the impression that all Gallifeans were 'Time Lord' material, some just better than others. I guess it was the whole 'look into the time vortex and see if you survive and stay sane' bit.

I am just annoyed because the end of that episode made it very clear that she at least had the basic materials to be a Time Lord (she REGENERATES for cripes sake!). Though -- admitedly -- the ... um... repopulation issue would be an awkward discussion....

Part of me still unrealistically hopes that Donna does become a Time Lord someday.


You and me both. I hated how it ended for her, she was my favourite companion.
 
2012-09-18 12:58:15 PM  
Donna, Rory and Amy, Martha, Rose, Amy. I don't think Jack and River really fit the companion category in the episodes. Their back stories clearly indicate they were more, but I'm just counting what's been shown.

My scale: they knowingly put themselves in harms way to help people / the Dr. Amy and early Rose seemed to stumble into trouble and need rescue or stumble into being useful.
 
2012-09-18 12:59:34 PM  
Donna Noble is greater than all others!

/new series, of course. The old series had Sarah Jane, Zoe, Leela, the Romanas, Peri...
 
2012-09-18 01:50:31 PM  
One million ponds = one billion mosquitos.
 
2012-09-18 02:06:49 PM  
While ya'all fight over the ladies, me and Vislor Turlough will be in the corner fighting for unnatural versus natural ginger dominance.

Yes, fighting, that's the word.
 
2012-09-18 02:08:31 PM  

WarszawaScream: While ya'all fight over the ladies, me and Vislor Turlough will be in the corner fighting for unnatural versus natural ginger dominance.

Yes, fighting, that's the word.


He was dangerous for a twink schoolboy.
 
2012-09-18 02:15:35 PM  

ObscureNameHere:
Part of me still unrealistically hopes that Donna does become a Time Lord someday.



I always thought it would be cool if the Doctor found out Donna was actually The Rani in pocket-watch human form, and erased her memories to keep her from that again.
 
2012-09-18 02:23:33 PM  

ObscureNameHere: ReverendLoki: ObscureNameHere: wippit: What, no Jenny?

[a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 392x294]

Or are we limited to just companions?

I really REALLY wish they would have brought her back into the story line.

Like HELLO! You created ANOTHER TIME LORD! Took a ship and left the planet of her creation to go explore the universe. Might be worth a re-visit...

They created another person with Gallifrean genetics. As I understand it, it takes training to be a Time Lord.. or something like that. Not that she couldn't then be trained...

For that matter, you know that pocket watch that the Doctor and the Master used to become human to hide from those looking for Time Lords? Why couldn't they just use one to turn Donna biologically Gallifrean, to match the Time Lord mind she gained? Start rebuilding the Time Lords and all that.

Tricky. I sort of got the impression that all Gallifeans were 'Time Lord' material, some just better than others. I guess it was the whole 'look into the time vortex and see if you survive and stay sane' bit.

I am just annoyed because the end of that episode made it very clear that she at least had the basic materials to be a Time Lord (she REGENERATES for cripes sake!). Though -- admitedly -- the ... um... repopulation issue would be an awkward discussion....

Part of me still unrealistically hopes that Donna does become a Time Lord someday.


I'm thinking, who says a Time Lord needs to mate with another Time Lord to make new Time Lords? Hybrid theory and all - a viable cross breeding can result in fitter, hardier off-spring. That's why, in dogs, mutts tend to have fewer health problems than purebreds. Just saying...

/Even in DBZ, the half-Sayiians seemed to have more potential than their full-Sayiian parents
//Just use DBZ as a reference in a Who discussion... not sure how I feel about that
 
2012-09-18 02:24:21 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: WarszawaScream: While ya'all fight over the ladies, me and Vislor Turlough will be in the corner fighting for unnatural versus natural ginger dominance.

Yes, fighting, that's the word.

He was dangerous for a twink schoolboy.


I can't thank you enough for enhancing my already perverted train of thought by adding the phrase "dangerous ginger twink schoolboy".

Bunk, I'll be in it, etc.
 
2012-09-18 03:12:03 PM  

wippit: ObscureNameHere:
Part of me still unrealistically hopes that Donna does become a Time Lord someday.


I always thought it would be cool if the Doctor found out Donna was actually The Rani in pocket-watch human form, and erased her memories to keep her from that again.


heh. Of course, Romana could come back as well (last seen trapped in E-Space).

However, with the whole "J.J. Abrams-esque let's re-boot the Universe" plot wrinkle there could be a whole argument that the Time War never happened to begin with.....

/wibbley-wobbly, timey-whimey
 
2012-09-18 03:12:07 PM  
But we can all agree River Song is utter Mary-Sue shiate, right?
 
2012-09-18 03:16:00 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Donna Noble is greater than all others!

/new series, of course. The old series had Sarah Jane, Zoe, Leela, the Romanas, Peri...


Gah! I think I said 'Nyssa' earlier when I meant 'Peri'. Peri had the larger "tracts of land".

/would still take both....
 
2012-09-18 03:21:52 PM  

Two16: But we can all agree River Song is utter Mary-Sue shiate, right?


Now, I have been a Doctor Who fan for over 30 years, so convoluted time-twisting plot shenannigans are not at all new to me. . However, on the 'River Song' plot...... I am utterly confused how she is 'living backwards' and how that all resolves at -- supposedly -- a wedding between her and the Doctor.

Oh, while we are here, I really like Matt Smith.

Hwwever, I HATED the very very very lame 'gotcha!' plot armour they pulled with the end of the 'Astronaut' story.

All-seeing, all-knowing Universal Forces Beyond Our Comprehension: "Time has stopped, as the Doctor is dead."

Doctor: "Ha-ha! I was hiding as a mini-me in a robot the whole time!"

Universe / Viewers: "WTF?BBQ11111!!??????"
 
2012-09-18 03:30:18 PM  

LanceWithABee: Donna, Rory and Amy, Martha, Rose, Amy. I don't think Jack and River really fit the companion category in the episodes. Their back stories clearly indicate they were more, but I'm just counting what's been shown.

My scale: they knowingly put themselves in harms way to help people / the Dr. Amy and early Rose seemed to stumble into trouble and need rescue or stumble into being useful.


Captain Jack is truly one of the most interesting characters Dr. Who has ever had. Not even the Doctor is 'immortal' (though we wil have to see how they handle the 12th regeneration issue...).

One of the most important episodes in Dr. Who was (IMO) the David Tennant one where we see WHY the Doctor NEEDS to have companions. Without the moral grounding of a 'little person' (non Time Lord), the Doctor would truly be the greatest threat to all known existence. He would literally have no bounds on his ambitions as he has all of time and space to play with.
 
2012-09-18 03:35:06 PM  

capt.hollister: ObscureNameHere: ReverendLoki: ObscureNameHere: wippit: What, no Jenny?

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Part of me still unrealistically hopes that Donna does become a Time Lord someday.

You and me both. I hated how it ended for her, she was my favourite companion.


You know -- technically -- Donna WAS a Time Lord for a few minutes in one episode.

So she is a valid as McGann as a "Doctor". :)
 
2012-09-18 03:44:38 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Two16: But we can all agree River Song is utter Mary-Sue shiate, right?

Now, I have been a Doctor Who fan for over 30 years, so convoluted time-twisting plot shenannigans are not at all new to me. . However, on the 'River Song' plot...... I am utterly confused how she is 'living backwards' and how that all resolves at -- supposedly -- a wedding between her and the Doctor.

Oh, while we are here, I really like Matt Smith.

Hwwever, I HATED the very very very lame 'gotcha!' plot armour they pulled with the end of the 'Astronaut' story.

All-seeing, all-knowing Universal Forces Beyond Our Comprehension: "Time has stopped, as the Doctor is dead."

Doctor: "Ha-ha! I was hiding as a mini-me in a robot the whole time!"

Universe / Viewers: "WTF?BBQ11111!!??????"


Favourited under, " Peri"s sweater elephants for the win."
 
2012-09-18 04:04:19 PM  

wippit: ObscureNameHere:
Part of me still unrealistically hopes that Donna does become a Time Lord someday.


I always thought it would be cool if the Doctor found out Donna was actually The Rani in pocket-watch human form, and erased her memories to keep her from that again.


No.

The Rani is best left in the "WTF were they thinking?" category.

/Pip and Jane Baker wrote some of the worst classic DW ever, and the Rani was the worst of the worst.
 
2012-09-18 04:24:18 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Two16: But we can all agree River Song is utter Mary-Sue shiate, right?

Now, I have been a Doctor Who fan for over 30 years, so convoluted time-twisting plot shenannigans are not at all new to me. . However, on the 'River Song' plot...... I am utterly confused how she is 'living backwards' and how that all resolves at -- supposedly -- a wedding between her and the Doctor.

Oh, while we are here, I really like Matt Smith.

Hwwever, I HATED the very very very lame 'gotcha!' plot armour they pulled with the end of the 'Astronaut' story.

All-seeing, all-knowing Universal Forces Beyond Our Comprehension: "Time has stopped, as the Doctor is dead."

Doctor: "Ha-ha! I was hiding as a mini-me in a robot the whole time!"

Universe / Viewers: "WTF?BBQ11111!!??????"


River isn't living backwards, they are meeting each other at opposite ends of their relationship. The first time the Doctor met her, in the library, was the last time for her, because she died in that episode. But yeah, it's a bit convoluted and hard to wrap your head around and it's hard to say if the writer's can be consistent with it.

And that astronaut thing didn't make a whole lot of sense either. I thought it was a cheap cop-out the way he fooled them.
 
2012-09-18 04:27:54 PM  
Sometimes I'm glad I lost track with Number 4 and only resumed with Number 9, pullover pachyderms or not.
 
2012-09-18 04:44:08 PM  

KeithLM:

River isn't living backwards, they are meeting each other at opposite ends of their relationship. The first time the Doctor met her, in the library, was the last time for her, because she died in that episode. But yeah, it's a bit convoluted and hard to wrap your head around and it's hard to say if the writer's can be consistent with it.


I also had the impression, from early River episodes, that the first time she met the Doctor was going to be the last time the Doctor met her, but we've seen that to be false already - they first met technically on Demon's Run, but for the first time after that was in the Nixon episode. Well, unless they add one more, but she was supposedly under the thumb of that one-eyed woman the entire time in between. Next meeting after that (as both timelines go, for once) was the Let's Kill Hitler episode.

Anyways, this may help.. or not. http://www.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/features/river-songs-diary/

It's the Internet. Of course someone's mapped it out.
 
2012-09-18 04:52:16 PM  
I saw the headline this morning and the first photo and was overjoyed that this thread would deliver.

I am disappointed. Now I have to GIS when I get out of work.
 
2012-09-18 05:01:29 PM  
Have we done Jim the Fish yet?
 
2012-09-19 01:09:49 AM  

ObscureNameHere: capt.hollister: ObscureNameHere: ReverendLoki: ObscureNameHere: wippit: What, no Jenny?

[a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 392x294]

Part of me still unrealistically hopes that Donna does become a Time Lord someday.

You and me both. I hated how it ended for her, she was my favourite companion.

You know -- technically -- Donna WAS a Time Lord for a few minutes in one episode.

So she is a valid as McGann as a "Doctor". :)


Yes, and she played a really good Time Lord for the short time that she was one... but to then make her forget all her travels, all her (mis)adventures with the Doctor. To erase all her knowledge of how important she was. That's just heartbreakingly cruel.
 
2012-09-19 06:44:45 PM  

ReverendLoki: KeithLM:

River isn't living backwards, they are meeting each other at opposite ends of their relationship. The first time the Doctor met her, in the library, was the last time for her, because she died in that episode. But yeah, it's a bit convoluted and hard to wrap your head around and it's hard to say if the writer's can be consistent with it.


I also had the impression, from early River episodes, that the first time she met the Doctor was going to be the last time the Doctor met her, but we've seen that to be false already - they first met technically on Demon's Run, but for the first time after that was in the Nixon episode. Well, unless they add one more, but she was supposedly under the thumb of that one-eyed woman the entire time in between. Next meeting after that (as both timelines go, for once) was the Let's Kill Hitler episode.

Anyways, this may help.. or not. http://www.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk/features/river-songs-diary/

It's the Internet. Of course someone's mapped it out.


I don't think there is any cosmic force governing their meetings. It could have been a generalization on her part. She made a specific comment once about when he kissed her and it was his first and she said that it would be her last from him.

The first time the Doctor encountered River was her last though. But the second to last for her was obviously not his second. She said in the library that the Doctor came to her just before she went there and gave her the sonic screwdriver. That means her second to last encounter was far enough into their relationship for him to both know what was coming and be willing to hand over the sonic screwdriver.

I've been rewatching the series lately, starting with the 2005 series. I'm coming up on the Pandorica episodes. I've been trying to keep an eye on recurring themes to see if I can pick out more stuff. I've also been watching the most recent ones, it's interesting to note that there is a large gap for the Doctor between this season and last.
 
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