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2012-09-18 08:17:13 AM  

Pattuq: pag1107: He's been on Death Row for 30 years? Wow, that's inefficient. State's should model their Death Penalty statutes on Virginia. Fastest time from gavel to slab. The beltway sniper was sentenced in 2003 and got the needle in 2009 and that was considered a long stint as it goes in VA.

30 years in prison at the supposed $80,000 a year it costs to maintain one inmate is $2.4 million that taxpayers have forked over to keep this fat bastard alive. That's more than most of us will earn in our entire lives. If sentenced to death, execution should take place no more than one week later. Waiting an entire year is ridiculous, but 30?? I can understand that keeping a man on death row that long will make him miserable and is a decent payback for his crime, but is making him feel bad worth millions of dollars? Absolutely not.

There isn't a single good reason for the delay. If there's somehow too much paperwork and not enough time to do it, instating some sort of state-run "executioners guild" that travels around to help prisons would not only save money, but likely see the fastest membership growth of a new organization in the history of mankind.


So true.

Punishment as a deterrent isn't very effective, since most people comitting crimes aren't all that insightful to begin with.

So if you've decided to kill them, kill them fast.
 
2012-09-18 08:19:47 AM  

No Such Agency: I'm opposed to the death penalty but let's keep some perspective about how "barbaric" its implementation is these days.


I'm not sure you understand how the electric chair kills people. I suspect in mediaeval times it may well have been considered barbaric, even compared to the other methods available at the time. And in any case I don't think we should judge the relative humanity of execution based on ancient methods, as opposed to comparing them to other modern methods -- dying of dysentery in prison in mediaeval times was fairly common but I don't think we'd consider that a valid method of execution today.
 
2012-09-18 08:25:06 AM  
I recommend a bread and water diet in solitaire,
 
2012-09-18 08:32:32 AM  
CBS must be experiencing a heavy load.

Fark can't seem to lift the speed of connection.

It keeps timing/passing out.
 
2012-09-18 08:45:30 AM  
serious physical and psychological pain, involving a "torturous and lingering death

WTF? Being that fat ISN'T a torturous and lingering death?

Have obese acquaintances. Not much fun seeing them struggle to stand, walk and breathe. When the humidity is high just sitting is a struggle for air. The fat will kill him soon enough. Just keep eatin', you're doin' all my dirty work for me.

Not a Capital Punishment guy. Law enforcement is too fraught with issues to get it 100% right every time.
 
2012-09-18 08:49:53 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Is lethal injection the only method allowed for capital punishment in OH? I would hope that hanging would be an option (instant death by breaking ones neck).

If I were ever given capital punishment I would want to have a firing squad.

Death by hanging doesn't alway go right. If the rope has stretched because of past usage or is too long the person slowly strangles to death. Happened to convicted murderer Westley Allan Dodd (rope was too long).


No, they strangle to death if the rope is too short. You need a certain length for them to get enough momentum to cleanly snap their neck. Too long and their head pops off.


Gortex: TheBlackFlag: A shotgun with a slug, pressed up against the base of his skull would be quick and painless.

It would indeed. But would you really want to be the guy who pulls the trigger? I don't think I could, as much as I am in favour of the death penalty. I could flick a switch or pull a lever, but I think i lack the cahones to get up close to someone, point a rifle, and fire. Especially when that person poses no immediate threat to me.

You'd have to be one messed up person for that deed to NOT give you night terrors. And if that doesn't trouble you, then you're already farked up.


Thats why with a firing squad, youve got 6 guys, 3 with bullets, 3 with blanks, and nobody knows whos got what.


gibbon1: mutterfark: Why not bring back the gas chamber but use nitrous oxide?

You've kind of hit on something telling. If you wanted to painlessly kill the guy, putting him in a gas chamber and filling it with pure nitrogen would do it. 30 seconds and the guy'd be out cold, 5 minutes later dead. Do we do that, nope? Why? because for the mouth breathers there has to be some element of ritualistic retribution about it, even it's symbolic. So yeah lethal injection, use a nasty poison to kill the guy, but put him under so he doesn't feel it.


Im not necessarily pro death penalty, but i am a proponent of nitrogen asphyxiation. No danger for bystanders if theres a leak, the chamber doesnt have to be airtight, plus the organs arent all ruined.
 
2012-09-18 08:52:01 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: gerbilpox: /not denigrating real depression
//just not seeing the relevance

He has depression so he can't control his eating. His eating makes him fat and break exercise equipment. His being fat means that there's a risk that the procedure will be botched, psychologically torturing the guy in his last moments, which would be cruel and unusual punishment. That's what the lawyer's getting at, anyways.


Well, he's in prison, so others control every aspect of his life. So, I suppose that they can control what food he gets. The end.
 
2012-09-18 08:52:45 AM  

Pattuq: pag1107: He's been on Death Row for 30 years? Wow, that's inefficient. State's should model their Death Penalty statutes on Virginia. Fastest time from gavel to slab. The beltway sniper was sentenced in 2003 and got the needle in 2009 and that was considered a long stint as it goes in VA.

30 years in prison at the supposed $80,000 a year it costs to maintain one inmate is $2.4 million that taxpayers have forked over to keep this fat bastard alive. That's more than most of us will earn in our entire lives. If sentenced to death, execution should take place no more than one week later. Waiting an entire year is ridiculous, but 30?? I can understand that keeping a man on death row that long will make him miserable and is a decent payback for his crime, but is making him feel bad worth millions of dollars? Absolutely not.

There isn't a single good reason for the delay. If there's somehow too much paperwork and not enough time to do it, instating some sort of state-run "executioners guild" that travels around to help prisons would not only save money, but likely see the fastest membership growth of a new organization in the history of mankind.


Wait. What? We're all computer literate people here. Surely you're exaggerating.
 
2012-09-18 08:54:32 AM  
The limeys got it covered.......

www.treefrogtreasures.com
 
2012-09-18 09:03:30 AM  
Jim_Callahan:
Admittedly the drug bit is more gentle than historical methods of execution, but remember that it was also _impossible_ historically.

An obvious exception being cases like Socrates.

I'm sure simpler, cheaper methods have always been preferred by torturers, but some of those devices WERE used, particularly by groups like the Inquisition whose specific intent was to brutalize the prisoner rather than just coerce a confession. Today, simple electrical shock ("parilla)" is widely used and is apparently very painful.

profplump:
I'm not sure you understand how the electric chair kills people.

I believe that used properly (wet the sponge, Percy!), it rapidly causes unconsciousness and heart failure and is not intended to cause lengthy suffering. Yes, it's reprehensible for the state to kill people, but this method is not designed to torture the condemned.
 
2012-09-18 09:07:53 AM  
the death penalty is a bad idea to begin with and it shouldn't be a punishment for anybody. how long can a 500 lb man live anyways...
 
2012-09-18 09:10:04 AM  
Just shoot the fat fark and make bacon. Everyone wins!
 
2012-09-18 09:18:23 AM  

xanadian: BronyMedic: The only problem is, it costs a shiatload more than imprisoning them

Executing someone costs more than a life sentence?


I think it has something to do with the additional security and facilities cost of death row, the extra guards, all the appeals they go through (because they sit on death row for 15-20 years) and all that crap. Running some electricity or poison through someone isn't that expensive, but when you factor in the extra training for the switch throwers, all the legal stuff, the special building you need and whatnot is where people say it costs more than just herding them in with the rest of gen pop.

But if you could just leave them in a gen pop cell and hurry the process up to within a year or so, and then take them out to the excercise yard, bust a cap in their dome, and catapult their body to a nearby pond, it would probably be much cheaper.
 
2012-09-18 09:19:08 AM  
Just walking the green mile would kill him
 
2012-09-18 09:22:22 AM  

cgremlin: Medical personnel have had a hard time inserting IVs into Post's arms, according to the court filing. Four years ago, an Ohio State University medical center nurse needed three attempts to insert an IV into Post's left arm, the lawyers wrote.

Big deal. I've had to be stuck more times than that by nurses/phlebotomists that apparently didn't know what they were doing. While it's annoying, I can't say that I've suffered any permanent psychological damage as a result. If it's really *that* difficult for them, they can give him a local anesthetic, do a cutdown on the vein, and call it a day.


Oh, no! Not three attempts! What a ridiculous argument. I manage to successfully stick fatties just fine all the time, even when they're all dehydrated and half dead. Nobody is going to be 100% accurate starting IVs, but I would think that anyone who can withstand being in prison for any length of time should be able to take a few stabs from a tiny needle. Considering we used to execute people by doing things like pulling them apart with horses or burning them alive, it could be a lot worse. Also, ultrasound guidance.

Whether we should be executing people at all is another matter entirely, but this guy's argument is nonsense.
 
2012-09-18 09:25:33 AM  

Mugato: cman: If I were ever given capital punishment I would want to have a firing squad.

I don't know why that isn't the preferred method. BAM. Done. But nothing is as messed up as the electric chair. That's some medieval shiat right there. Well you know, if they had electricity in medieval times.


I think Utah and Oklahoma can still do firing squads.

[Oklahoma], Utah
Utah no longer offers the firing squad as an option, but would allow it only for inmates who chose this method prior to its elimination .

Oklahoma offers firing squad only if lethal injection and electrocution are found unconstitutional.
 
2012-09-18 09:28:44 AM  
Put him on a treadmill with red hot pokers at the slow end and a lethal injection at the fast end. That might be cruel and unusual, too, but, oh, well.

/be glad I didn't use an Oxford comma.
 
2012-09-18 09:43:03 AM  
I so don't care what convicted murderers are upset about. Don't like lethal injection, then shoot him, whack him over the head with a bat whatever. Never say we didn't give you some options
 
2012-09-18 09:45:29 AM  

MythDragon: But if you could just leave them in a gen pop cell and hurry the process up to within a year or so, and then take them out to the excercise yard, bust a cap in their dome, and catapult their body to a nearby pond, it would probably be much cheaper.


How horrible.

I prefer "trebuchet."
 
2012-09-18 09:47:29 AM  
' any attempt to execute him will result in serious physical and psychological pain, involving a "torturous and lingering death" '

www.dtvusaforum.com

I hope it lasts.
 
2012-09-18 09:48:00 AM  
Obviously the DP has to be hard on the executioners, presuming them to be non-sociopathic. The other problem is the segment of the population it excites, who wants to see those guys all sporting a stiff!

//DP
//increases murder rates
 
2012-09-18 09:50:01 AM  
Perhaps Firing squad? A heart shot or a head shot will result in nigh instantaneous death which of course if he's on death row for what I read he was on it for, is much better than he deserves.
 
2012-09-18 09:53:16 AM  
There's a lot of revenge fantasies going on here. The bottom line is that the number of people on death row exonerated by new technologies such as DNA evidence should be enough to make the death penalty not a viable option. If you extrapolate that to the inevitable number of people who were actually executed while innocent, it should be unacceptable to any rational society.

Murder by the state should also be thought of as an unacceptable practice even for the guilty.
 
2012-09-18 09:54:39 AM  
There are any number of things that can be ingested or inhaled.
Put him to sleep with a simple anesthetic, then let the donors at him.
Blood type= M. Syrup+ ?
 
2012-09-18 10:00:13 AM  
He's in prison. Can't they just pup him on a diet for a year or so? Water, veggies, some meat. That is all.
 
2012-09-18 10:00:37 AM  
if you electrocute him, the bacon smell would linger for weeks. Poison his food----we know for a fact he isn't afraid of eating.
 
2012-09-18 10:02:57 AM  
What about one of those centrifugal things NASA uses?
 
2012-09-18 10:03:55 AM  
Disagrees:

www.homevideos.com


/oblig
//RIP
 
2012-09-18 10:06:18 AM  
get a rope or in his case a cable ....
 
2012-09-18 10:08:18 AM  
Why not simply stay with the Biblical Principals our nation was founded upon? An eye for an eye. If you shoot someone, you are in turn shot. You poison an old lady, you are in turn poisoned. Vehicular homicide, you are eliminated vehicularly. It is no more cruel and unusual than the crime for which they are being punished, and there is a certain poetry in an evil deed coming full circle.
 
2012-09-18 10:10:51 AM  
serious physical and psychological pain may become irrelevant once he dies. As he was condemned to death yocks ago, he must have once deserved it.
While capital punishment is cruel in itself, it's not as much so for deliberate killers who do deserve it. Times & places other than OK where firing squad would be useful (I type as blood drips from my pointy catlike fangs).
 
2012-09-18 10:12:39 AM  
I got a 200 grain .45 that says it's so quick you'll never notice
 
2012-09-18 10:12:53 AM  
a uniquely american problem
 
2012-09-18 10:13:18 AM  
Murderer being condemned to a torturous and lingering death? ....

I fail to see the problem here.
 
2012-09-18 10:19:38 AM  

xanadian


I prefer "trebuchet."


Put a target somewhere in a field. Make designing and building the trebuchet a team project for some local engineering students. If they hit the target they receive an A.
 
2012-09-18 10:22:38 AM  

strangeluck: Is this guy making four trips through the chow line each time? Or was he this farking big at the time they arrested him? Didn't think you could get that big of just prison food, goddamn.


They only get one trip through the line at meal times, but they can buy snacks at the commissary.

Dictatorial_Flair: cgremlin: Medical personnel have had a hard time inserting IVs into Post's arms, according to the court filing. Four years ago, an Ohio State University medical center nurse needed three attempts to insert an IV into Post's left arm, the lawyers wrote.

Big deal. I've had to be stuck more times than that by nurses/phlebotomists that apparently didn't know what they were doing. While it's annoying, I can't say that I've suffered any permanent psychological damage as a result. If it's really *that* difficult for them, they can give him a local anesthetic, do a cutdown on the vein, and call it a day.

Oh, no! Not three attempts! What a ridiculous argument. I manage to successfully stick fatties just fine all the time, even when they're all dehydrated and half dead. Nobody is going to be 100% accurate starting IVs, but I would think that anyone who can withstand being in prison for any length of time should be able to take a few stabs from a tiny needle. Considering we used to execute people by doing things like pulling them apart with horses or burning them alive, it could be a lot worse. Also, ultrasound guidance.

Whether we should be executing people at all is another matter entirely, but this guy's argument is nonsense.


I've never had a nurse who managed to hit my vein on the first try. The average is three.
 
2012-09-18 10:30:59 AM  
I will never understand how a person can get THAT obese. At some point someone has to say, "I'm not buying this much food for you any more. And when it happens in prison, where that sort of thing should be rationed anyway, it's completely ludicrous.

Here's an idea that will work for everyone. Put this fat slob on a diet. Get him down to a normal weight by January. Then execute him. Think of all the money they would be saving the taxpayers.
 
2012-09-18 10:33:40 AM  
Oh, he'll be hurt? Well, melt his fat ass down and make candles for the vigil
 
2012-09-18 10:36:27 AM  

Swoop1809: Just walking the green mile would kill him


Walking any mile would kill him.
 
2012-09-18 10:44:16 AM  
It's so simple: Put subject in a room and flood it with pure, humidified nitrogen. He won't feel a thing; works every time; there is no weight limit.

/still against death penalty
 
2012-09-18 10:49:59 AM  
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2012-09-18 11:16:34 AM  

Mugato: There's a lot of revenge fantasies going on here. The bottom line is that the number of people on death row exonerated by new technologies such as DNA evidence should be enough to make the death penalty not a viable option. If you extrapolate that to the inevitable number of people who were actually executed while innocent, it should be unacceptable to any rational society.

Murder by the state should also be thought of as an unacceptable practice even for the guilty.


I'm a bleeding-heart anti-death penalty lefty lib, but if we're going to have capital punishment, let's make it efficient.

Just because I'm opposed to the concept doesn't mean I also can't argue for a more effective implementation.
 
2012-09-18 11:18:38 AM  

Swoop1809: Just walking the green mile would kill him


i.ytimg.com
"Forget the green mile, try walking the brown mile!"

/You just read that in Mark Hamill's Joker voice.
 
2012-09-18 11:23:11 AM  
claiming any attempt to execute him will result in serious physical and psychological pain, involving a "torturous and lingering death"


In hospitals, for some patients with poor veins, a 'cut-down' was used. Meaning Dr.s injected a numbing agent into the tissue of an ankle, surgically opened the area and exposed the large, shallow vein or artery beneath. An IV line was inserted, the wound held closed by adhesive tape straps and everything bandaged up.

This did not require an operating room.

Another solution: shoot the bastige in the head. In Russia they used to execute criminals by placing them in a cell with a drain in the floor, small ports on all walls and a solid door. Some time within the next 24 hours -- the prisoner never knew when -- a guard would quietly insert a rifle through a port and shoot him in the head. Usually execution was done within 2 hours of entering the cell.

The only problem I have with lethal injection is that most states use the three medication rule: a tranquilizer, a paralyzer and one designed to stop the heart. They are pumped in one right after the other, meaning there is a chance that the tranquilizer has not knocked out the convicted before he's paralyzed -- which also includes his ability to breath. The heart stopping medication, in large doses, can cause a severe burning sensation.
IMO they should pause for a time after injecting the massive dose of tranquilizer to make sure it's worked. Fear is a powerful force that can delay or resist a tranquilizer. Then they can inject the paralytic and the sodium chloride.

The old gas chamber was basically a torture device since death by Cyanide gas first stops the breathing, meaning they suffocate. I seriously doubt if the electric chair was painless. Hanging takes a skilled professional to do it right. Calculate wrong and the convicted strangles or the head pops off. The whole objective is to break the neck, stretching it enough to sever the spinal cord, causing instant death.

BTW, in many states a 13 knot noose is considered a deadly weapon since it's the same as those used in hangings. The '13 knots' are the 13 loops that form the noose.

Also, ages ago, some guy invented an execution machine, since they were having problems finding executioners to shoot prisoners. He secured several rifles in a box, which were sighted and fixed on the target areas (head and heart) and developed two ways to fire the thing. One was by several folks pulling cords -- of which only one would actually fire the guns. The second was a mechanical timer. Wind it up, set it and forget it.

I think it had a two minute range.

Then all of the guns would fire.
 
2012-09-18 11:27:23 AM  

Gonz: Mugato: There's a lot of revenge fantasies going on here. The bottom line is that the number of people on death row exonerated by new technologies such as DNA evidence should be enough to make the death penalty not a viable option. If you extrapolate that to the inevitable number of people who were actually executed while innocent, it should be unacceptable to any rational society.

Murder by the state should also be thought of as an unacceptable practice even for the guilty.

I'm a bleeding-heart anti-death penalty lefty lib, but if we're going to have capital punishment, let's make it efficient.

Just because I'm opposed to the concept doesn't mean I also can't argue for a more effective implementation.


I am SO for the death penalty. But only in cases where it's clearly obvious, and there is no doubt whatsoever of the guilt in the matter. Like, for instance... The guy who shot up all those people at a Bat Man movie. They know it was him. Give him his fair trial, then take him out back and put a bullet through his head. Better yet, let one of the victim's relatives pull the trigger.

I can agree that there are some grey areas in some cases. Perhaps those shouldn't be tried as death penalty cases to start with.

I'm only referring to the black and white, obvious ones. This is why I'm actually somewhat relieved when I hear that some rampaging murderer turns the gun on himself. Saves us all the time and discomfort of the whole trial process.
 
2012-09-18 11:27:53 AM  
Fatties whine that they want to be treated like everyone else? Fine. But that means you don't get to use your weight as a get out of execution free card.
 
2012-09-18 11:33:48 AM  
Why don't they just put his ass on a track, and tell him to run a mile...problem cures it'self.
 
2012-09-18 11:34:30 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /Pretty much this...wait till he's asleep one night...and BLAMMO...end of problem.


Did he wait until the hotel clerk he wasted was asleep? I think not.
 
2012-09-18 11:36:23 AM  

BronyMedic: The only problem is, it costs a shiatload more than imprisoning them, and our system is immensely biased in terms of socioeconomic disparity and race when handing out death sentences.


Thanks Susan Sarandon. Never heard that before.
 
2012-09-18 11:44:20 AM  

MythDragon: cman: If I were ever given capital punishment I would want to have a firing squad.

Really? I thought it was just me. That's the way I'd choose. It just seems the most honorable way to go. Something about a final gun salute to send you on your way seems so much more appealing than any of the other meathods the US has ever used. Fark the chair, and I've heard the gas chamber is really supposed to suck. Injection just seems boring. You just stop being alive. And I don't like the idea of hanging for a while because my neck didn't break.

Though I'd also be interested in the guillotine, if my head could be positioned over some giant pachinko board, and someone wins a prize if my head lands in a certian basket


Thats the best idea I have ever heard.
Bob Barker could host it. It could be a giant game of plinko with your head.
/And remember to spay and neuter your pets
 
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