teto85: Does a "Yes" vote on the issue count against marriage equality
cretinbob: Impaler, you are incorrect. A "No" vote is a vote for equality.
Lor M. Ipsum: cretinbob: Impaler, you are incorrect. A "No" vote is a vote for equality.I don't get it
FlashHarry: Lor M. Ipsum: cretinbob: Impaler, you are incorrect. A "No" vote is a vote for equality.I don't get iti think it means that if you're voting in MN this november and you leave that particular part of the ballot blank (as many people do who don't study referenda and other non-candidate ballot initiatives), it is counted as a "no," meaning the anti-gay referendum will have a more difficult time passing.
Cythraul: Oh, 'No' is a good thing? Well, it's still stupid to vote on civil rights in a popular referendum.
impaler: teto85: Does a "Yes" vote on the issue count against marriage equalityYes.
Generation_D: People should not be voting on human rights of minorities, ever. Government's job is to protect these rights, not subject them to majority rule.
cretinbob: And the wording on the ballot?"Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to provide that only a union of oneman and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Minnesota?"Impaler, you are incorrect. A "No" vote is a vote for equality.
teto85: I don't live in Minnesota and am not following this issue there. Does a "Yes" vote on the issue count against marriage equality or for? In some cases the initiatives are worded in such a way as to make "No" mean "Yes". My state changed that so "no" means no and "yes" means yes.
stpauler: Here's the breakdown. The text of the ballot says:"Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to provide that only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Minnesota?"1)Voting YES means that you want the Minnesota constitution to be amended to say that marriage is one man and one woman only.2)Voting NO means that the constitution will not be amended.3) Not voting either counts as a NO.The Minnesota Supreme court already ruled on this back in the 1970s and the people suing used pretty much all of the best arguments thus making it impossible for it to get back up there any time with those points. Thus making it impossible unless marriage is amended to INCLUDED gays in the Minnesota constitution. It's a mean-spirited and worthless amendment as it would change nothing.Usually these ballot options are on the back of the ballot (Minnesota uses large sheets and they are fed through optical scanners). At the polls, people are reminded to look at both sides but that doesn't mean they'll remember. So, those who don't flip the sheet and vote on this ballot issue are having their votes count as NO. This is a GOOD THING.
jaylectricity: This blank=no thing only applies to constitutional amendments in Minnesota.
Il Douchey: The first thing they teach you in rape class is that silence equals consent/ Qui tacet consentit
stpauler: It's a mean-spirited and worthless amendment as it would change nothing.
Cythraul: This is why you don't vote on popular referendum for civil rights.
Alphax: I thought the purpose of putting amendments like that on the ballot was not to get them passed. It's to get the fundies to turn out to vote.
Tommy Moo: Cythraul: This is why you don't vote on popular referendum for civil rights.You can't really get around democracy. If we say that civil rights are sacred and not beholden to public opinion, then we will simply end up having a meta-argument about what does and does not constitute a "civil right." I understand your sentiment, but in practice, having 51% of the country support gay marriage is going to go a long way toward moving it along.
serial_crusher: I must have missed something. Why does that matter? Are there lots of people who are actually in favor of the bill planning on abstaining from voting on it for some reason? Because that would be silly.
Linux_Yes: blank ballots are blank ballots. they mean neither yes nor no. dumsh*ts. a blank ballot should be ignored.
Dimensio: stpauler: It's a mean-spirited and worthless amendment as it would change nothing.All legislation prohibiting legal recognition of same-sex unions is "mean-spirited". That is the fundamental motivation for such legislation.
Generation_D: Why is subjecting a minority's right to be married due to the whim of some guy that can't read the back of a ballot a "good thing" ?
cretinbob: A "No" vote is a vote for equality.
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