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(Huffington Post)   Fox & Friends takes 7-month-old footage and tries to pass it off as today's OWS protest, with host Steve Doocy adding that "it almost looks like happened last week in Libya and in Cairo"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 72
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2012-09-17 05:08:22 PM
this is why you will lose, republicans. when you have to lie and cheat and otherwise breitbart things to make a point, you know your fundamental position is corrupt and rotten.
 
2012-09-17 05:18:35 PM
Low-Information news for Low-Information voters.
 
2012-09-17 06:21:58 PM
"That almost looks like what happened last week in Libya and in Cairo,"

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-17 07:16:15 PM
And they would have gotten away with it too, were it not for those meddling kids and their pesky dog!
 
2012-09-17 07:32:57 PM
I don't know why, but "Doocy" just sounds like the right name for that guy. Almost like it's a ready-made insult for someone who acts retarded. You know, "Jeez Dave, quit acting all doocy."
 
2012-09-17 07:38:28 PM
Surprised they didn't just use footage from Cairo.
 
2012-09-17 07:41:28 PM
If you really want your day off with a sh*tty start, watch that pile of dog vomit.

Probably the most despicable show on television, right up there with Honey Boo Boo and Her Tard Family, intervention, hoarders, and all that other crap.

Why did I dump cable for Hulu and Netflix? Hmmmm... I wonder.
 
2012-09-17 07:52:36 PM
 
2012-09-17 07:55:54 PM
I don't think these people are smart enough to have shame. Either that, or they're making enough money and their souls are shallow enough that they just don't care.
 
2012-09-17 07:57:56 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gretchen got punked.


I'm pretty sure she enjoys a cockmeat sammich of Steve Douchebag and The Brown Haired Tool Who is not Steve Douchebag on a daily basis.

The value of that show is -1,000 and it plays on so many government TVs it makes me sick.
 
2012-09-17 08:02:32 PM
This is not new territory for the despicable assholes at FNC.

pre.cloudfront.goodinc.com

Gotta love those Madison Wisconsin palm trees.
 
2012-09-17 08:15:22 PM
B-B-B-But it's on the Tee VEE! It's gots ta be true!

Americans are such shiatbags. They'll believe Pink slime is organic farking kosher before they will fact check anything.

Hey. I know.
I'm a French supermodel.

Bun Jewrno.
 
2012-09-17 09:35:22 PM
i258.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-17 09:37:43 PM
Maybe they'll rerun the one where Geraldo gets shouted down and has to leave...RERUN
 
2012-09-17 09:39:33 PM

FlashHarry: this is why you will lose, republicans. when you have to lie and cheat and otherwise breitbart things to make a point, you know your fundamental position is corrupt and rotten.


I am always reminded of this quote when people talk about crap like this "What did you expect? "Welcome, sonny"? "Make yourself at home"? "Marry my daughter"? You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons."

I don't feel so safe that Obama will be re elected
 
2012-09-17 09:44:42 PM

FlashHarry: this is why you will lose, republicans. when you have to lie and cheat and otherwise breitbart things to make a point, you know your fundamental position is corrupt and rotten.


As if the other side didn't do the same shiat.

Link
 
2012-09-17 09:45:44 PM

too-old: FlashHarry: this is why you will lose, republicans. when you have to lie and cheat and otherwise breitbart things to make a point, you know your fundamental position is corrupt and rotten.

I am always reminded of this quote when people talk about crap like this "What did you expect? "Welcome, sonny"? "Make yourself at home"? "Marry my daughter"? You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons."

I don't feel so safe that Obama will be re elected


According to 538, he's gonna definitely get elected by the Electoral College, but his hold on the popular vote is generally around 51%. My concern is for the Senate and the House. I think the Democrats did decently in the last 4 years, considering the opposition, but I want to see them have the ability to do MORE. At this point I don't care if it's free clogging lessons for left-handed midgets as long as it's something that the next Presidency can target first before he or she takes down ANY strides we've made in healthcare, education, etc.
 
2012-09-17 09:49:40 PM
Steven Crowder used the anniversary as an opportunity to contrast Occupy unfavorably to the Tea Party movement.

the Occupy movement "is entirely based on selfish motives" and "based on wanting more free crap."


As opposed to the Tea Party who take to the streets for completely philanthropic motives.
 
2012-09-17 09:54:00 PM
Yes, but what did the guy that isn't Steve Doocy say? He's the real brains of the Fox and Friends news team.
 
2012-09-17 09:57:16 PM
That's super shady. If OWS, I would be embarrassed that I was compared to OWS.
 
2012-09-17 09:58:03 PM
Dwanky.
 
2012-09-17 09:59:56 PM
To be fair, being compared to last year's Ride the Lightning OWS protests really is flattering to this year's Reload OWS protests. They shouldn't be complaining.
 
2012-09-17 10:01:08 PM
except that's not at all what happened subby.

ironic that your headline is written in the style of Fox news.


nowhere did they try to pass that video off as happening today.

I'm all for laughing at Fox, but subby's headline is bullsh*t.

subby should've just went with the 'real story' that is linked to, that Fox is comparing last year's OWS movement to the events of last week in Libya and Cairo.

that is laughable enough, no need to give them more rope.

-1
 
2012-09-17 10:02:36 PM

vudukungfu: B-B-B-But it's on the Tee VEE! It's gots ta be true!

Americans are such shiatbags. They'll believe Pink slime is organic farking kosher before they will fact check anything.

Hey. I know.
I'm a French supermodel.

Bun Jewrno.


I gotta wonder why your brush is so wide.
 
2012-09-17 10:09:07 PM

Aidan: ...strides we've made in healthcare, education, etc.


Nah that rite thur is funny stuff! Whenz yer cahmedee twoer comen to my areuh?
 
2012-09-17 10:10:41 PM

calbert: nowhere did they try to pass that video off as happening today.


Seeing the clip, I would've have thought the video was recent, especially based on the comparison to the recent protests in Libya and Egypt. Now, I do not feel the intention was to pass off the clips as recent, because frankly Fox is heavier handed when doing this, but simply the thought of conflating the two was not there.
 
2012-09-17 10:11:52 PM

WorldCitizen: I don't think these people are smart enough to have shame. Either that, or they're making enough money and their souls are shallow enough that they just don't care.


It's obvious that they're not smart enough to figure out stuff like this can be sourced and dated.
 
2012-09-17 10:16:19 PM

Vangor: calbert: nowhere did they try to pass that video off as happening today.

Seeing the clip, I would've have thought the video was recent, especially based on the comparison to the recent protests in Libya and Egypt. Now, I do not feel the intention was to pass off the clips as recent, because frankly Fox is heavier handed when doing this, but simply the thought of conflating the two was not there.


I'd watch the clip and make the determination for myself but I can't abide these infomercials that HuffPo now makes you sit through so I'll have to take your words for it
 
2012-09-17 10:17:47 PM
That's why they're fair and balanced.

Because half the stuff they say is real news and half is bald-faced bullshiat.

And it would be unfair NOT to treat them both as equally valid, right?

Umm...right?
 
2012-09-17 10:21:52 PM

calbert: except that's not at all what happened subby.

ironic that your headline is written in the style of Fox news.


nowhere did they try to pass that video off as happening today.

I'm all for laughing at Fox, but subby's headline is bullsh*t.

subby should've just went with the 'real story' that is linked to, that Fox is comparing last year's OWS movement to the events of last week in Libya and Cairo.

that is laughable enough, no need to give them more rope.

-1


I have to agree. Looks like subby's taking his headline writing tips from the Fox News School of Journalism.
 
2012-09-17 10:22:16 PM

fusillade762: Steven Crowder used the anniversary as an opportunity to contrast Occupy unfavorably to the Tea Party movement.

the Occupy movement "is entirely based on selfish motives" and "based on wanting more free crap."

As opposed to the Tea Party who take to the streets for completely philanthropic motives.


In a lot of red states, aren't the Tea Partiers, through their calls for smaller government and reduced taxation, effectively calling for substantial cuts to their own states from the Fed? It's not selfish. Stupid, on the other hand.

The major beneficiaries of the policies associated with the Tea Party won't be the folks doing most of the rallying. They'll be the wealthy shareholders of large corporations. Like News Corporation, parent of Fox News, for example. They've certainly taken advantage of the generous efforts of the conservative white folks who've happily attended Tea Party rallies.
 
2012-09-17 10:25:19 PM
Considering that OWS probably had more people 7 months ago, the 7 month old footage was probably a boon to them PR wise.
 
2012-09-17 10:31:47 PM
It looks like a democratic uprising?

Well, sure. Maybe Fox News is on to something.
 
2012-09-17 10:34:30 PM
I'm missing the part where they claimed or even implied that it was recent footage. They're talking about the 1 year anniversary of OWS. God forbid they should show things that happened during the year they're talking about.

Last Tuesday they tried to pass off 11 year old videos as new, if you can believe that. I thought somebody had rebuilt the twin towers to their original specs and blown them up again. Damn you, Fox News!
 
2012-09-17 10:40:57 PM
What is an OWS?
 
2012-09-17 10:40:58 PM
images.huffingtonpost.com
 
2012-09-17 10:45:21 PM

Gyrfalcon: WorldCitizen: I don't think these people are smart enough to have shame. Either that, or they're making enough money and their souls are shallow enough that they just don't care.

It's obvious that they're not smart enough to figure out stuff like this can be sourced and dated.


Doocy has always been a twat - his bio states that he was "features reporter" at WRC. I grew up watching WRC news, Doocy was the backup weatherman. The goofy one (and that's compared to Bob Ryan, which is sayin something).
 
2012-09-17 10:46:41 PM

vudukungfu: B-B-B-But it's on the Tee VEE! It's gots ta be true!

Americans are such shiatbags. They'll believe Pink slime is organic farking kosher before they will fact check anything.

Hey. I know.
I'm a French supermodel.

Bun Jewrno.


Go fark yourself.
 
2012-09-17 10:50:49 PM
Considering that that video appears to cut in part way into this interview, I have to ask the question whether any subtitles of any kind were put on the display of last year's arrests. Often for these, it'll cite credits of some kind, usually including the words "File Footage" when it isn't recent. HuffPo may simply be trying to rewrite the narrative here, something Arianna Huffington certainly seems to have no qualms doing.
 
2012-09-17 10:52:42 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gretchen got punked.


Man, talk about a wasted opportunity. This guy had a chance to Colbert her for the entire interview and instead he just giggled into the camera like an idiot and the whole segment was a bout of awkward fail.

He should have prepared better.
 
2012-09-17 10:55:23 PM

JesseL: FlashHarry: this is why you will lose, republicans. when you have to lie and cheat and otherwise breitbart things to make a point, you know your fundamental position is corrupt and rotten.

As if the other side didn't do the same shiat.

Link

You lose. The defense of being corrupt and rotten isn't that the other side does it also or more.
 
2012-09-17 10:59:09 PM
But did he dare to say that Bill Clinton, if he landed on Mars, would know how to fark a Martian?
/Matthews
 
2012-09-17 10:59:10 PM
So what you're saying is that the muslim-tards are taking protest pointers from OWS?
 
2012-09-17 11:21:25 PM

Aussie_As: fusillade762: Steven Crowder used the anniversary as an opportunity to contrast Occupy unfavorably to the Tea Party movement.

the Occupy movement "is entirely based on selfish motives" and "based on wanting more free crap."

As opposed to the Tea Party who take to the streets for completely philanthropic motives.

In a lot of red states, aren't the Tea Partiers, through their calls for smaller government and reduced taxation, effectively calling for substantial cuts to their own states from the Fed? It's not selfish. Stupid, on the other hand.

The major beneficiaries of the policies associated with the Tea Party won't be the folks doing most of the rallying. They'll be the wealthy shareholders of large corporations. Like News Corporation, parent of Fox News, for example. They've certainly taken advantage of the generous efforts of the conservative white folks who've happily attended Tea Party rallies.


True. But their ostensible reason for existing is "Taxed Enough Already", it's right there in the TEA part of TEA Party. How is claiming you want to pay less taxes not selfish?
 
2012-09-17 11:38:27 PM

Aussie_As: In a lot of red states, aren't the Tea Partiers, through their calls for smaller government and reduced taxation, effectively calling for substantial cuts to their own states from the Fed? It's not selfish. Stupid, on the other hand.

The major beneficiaries of the policies associated with the Tea Party won't be the folks doing most of the rallying. They'll be the wealthy shareholders of large corporations. Like News Corporation, parent of Fox News, for example. They've certainly taken advantage of the generous efforts of the conservative white folks who've happily attended Tea Party rallies.


Daily Show and Colbert had a few good bits on that, especially interviews they did at the RNC convention. It's always all the OTHER states that need their federal funding cut. Not theirs!
 
2012-09-17 11:44:31 PM
Submitter failure. No where is it stated or implied that it is today's OWS protest. But the comparison is valid.
 
2012-09-17 11:56:56 PM

fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Steven Crowder used the anniversary as an opportunity to contrast Occupy unfavorably to the Tea Party movement.

the Occupy movement "is entirely based on selfish motives" and "based on wanting more free crap."

As opposed to the Tea Party who take to the streets for completely philanthropic motives.

In a lot of red states, aren't the Tea Partiers, through their calls for smaller government and reduced taxation, effectively calling for substantial cuts to their own states from the Fed? It's not selfish. Stupid, on the other hand.

The major beneficiaries of the policies associated with the Tea Party won't be the folks doing most of the rallying. They'll be the wealthy shareholders of large corporations. Like News Corporation, parent of Fox News, for example. They've certainly taken advantage of the generous efforts of the conservative white folks who've happily attended Tea Party rallies.

True. But their ostensible reason for existing is "Taxed Enough Already", it's right there in the TEA part of TEA Party. How is claiming you want to pay less taxes not selfish?


Even as a left-winger, I would have to concede that not all taxes are good and not all government spending/redistribution is ideal. Any taxation measure needs to be imposed as a measure of last resort, although of course many excellent programs are funded through taxation. My point though is that a lot of the folks doing the actual rallying and electing Tea Party Republicans probably wouldn't find their tax bill being very different, but their own communities and districts would face a lot of hardship if there was less Federal money being thrown at them. The very people who actually own Fox News would be MUCH better off though. So many Tea Partyers are not being selfish because they and their communities will be paying just as much of the price of their policies as other communities who receive more than they pay back when it comes to tax dollars.
 
2012-09-18 12:01:30 AM

Ishkur: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gretchen got punked.

Man, talk about a wasted opportunity. This guy had a chance to Colbert her for the entire interview and instead he just giggled into the camera like an idiot and the whole segment was a bout of awkward fail.

He should have prepared better.


He could have at least strung along "Fox News Dumb Blonde #42-2814" for a few more minutes.
 
2012-09-18 12:14:30 AM

Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Steven Crowder used the anniversary as an opportunity to contrast Occupy unfavorably to the Tea Party movement.

the Occupy movement "is entirely based on selfish motives" and "based on wanting more free crap."

As opposed to the Tea Party who take to the streets for completely philanthropic motives.

In a lot of red states, aren't the Tea Partiers, through their calls for smaller government and reduced taxation, effectively calling for substantial cuts to their own states from the Fed? It's not selfish. Stupid, on the other hand.

The major beneficiaries of the policies associated with the Tea Party won't be the folks doing most of the rallying. They'll be the wealthy shareholders of large corporations. Like News Corporation, parent of Fox News, for example. They've certainly taken advantage of the generous efforts of the conservative white folks who've happily attended Tea Party rallies.

True. But their ostensible reason for existing is "Taxed Enough Already", it's right there in the TEA part of TEA Party. How is claiming you want to pay less taxes not selfish?

Even as a left-winger, I would have to concede that not all taxes are good and not all government spending/redistribution is ideal. Any taxation measure needs to be imposed as a measure of last resort, although of course many excellent programs are funded through taxation. My point though is that a lot of the folks doing the actual rallying and electing Tea Party Republicans probably wouldn't find their tax bill being very different, but their own communities and districts would face a lot of hardship if there was less Federal money being thrown at them. The very people who actually own Fox News would be MUCH better off though. So many Tea Partyers are not being selfish because they and their communities will be paying just as much of the price of their policies as other communities who receive more than they pay back when it comes to tax dollars.


You're assuming that they know what the true impact of Tea Party policies would be on their tax bill. I don't think most rank-and-file Tea Partiers are that well-informed. All they need to do is believe that it would lower their tax bill. They don't have to be right to be selfish.
 
2012-09-18 12:28:34 AM
But they didn't say that "this was footage from last year". So, they were counting on people thinking the footage is current because they were comparing it to events last week. Plausible deniability. "You just assumed..."
 
2012-09-18 12:29:24 AM

Brick-House: So what you're saying is that the muslim-tards are taking protest pointers from OWS?


What I hear you saying is "I don't care that my choice of media blatantly lies to me." Is that about right?
 
2012-09-18 12:38:59 AM

quisph: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: You're assuming that they know what the true impact of Tea Party policies would be on their tax bill. I don't think most rank-and-file Tea Partiers are that well-informed. All they need to do is believe that it would lower their tax bill. They don't have to be right to be selfish.


That's a very interesting point. I hadn't thought about it from that angle. There must be quite a few Tea Partiers who don't even pay tax, but are looking forward to the day they get a tax cut.
 
2012-09-18 12:41:45 AM

NewportBarGuy: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Gretchen got punked.

I'm pretty sure she enjoys a cockmeat sammich of Steve Douchebag and The Brown Haired Tool Who is not Steve Douchebag on a daily basis.

The value of that show is -1,000 and it plays on so many government TVs it makes me sick.


i.ytimg.com

"Cockmeat sandwich, that's my favorite!"
 
2012-09-18 12:55:41 AM
The folks at Fox are farily unbalanced.
 
2012-09-18 01:19:19 AM

Aussie_As: quisph: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: You're assuming that they know what the true impact of Tea Party policies would be on their tax bill. I don't think most rank-and-file Tea Partiers are that well-informed. All they need to do is believe that it would lower their tax bill. They don't have to be right to be selfish.

That's a very interesting point. I hadn't thought about it from that angle. There must be quite a few Tea Partiers who don't even pay tax, but are looking forward to the day they get a tax cut.


There's also the relatively deluded "I'm not rich now but someday I might be" angle.
 
2012-09-18 01:33:29 AM

fusillade762: Aussie_As: quisph: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: You're assuming that they know what the true impact of Tea Party policies would be on their tax bill. I don't think most rank-and-file Tea Partiers are that well-informed. All they need to do is believe that it would lower their tax bill. They don't have to be right to be selfish.

That's a very interesting point. I hadn't thought about it from that angle. There must be quite a few Tea Partiers who don't even pay tax, but are looking forward to the day they get a tax cut.

There's also the relatively deluded "I'm not rich now but someday I might be" angle.


That angle's overplayed. It's a (very flawed) rational argument that's based in political knowledge. Politically aware sorts think this is what's going on because they assume others are politically aware too.

Most of these tea party / hard right wing sorts aren't politically knowledgeable. It's a cultural sort of thing. If everyone you know believes a certain thing, that's a lot of incentive to believe that thing. It's not that far off from being a sports fan. I'm not going to stop liking the Mets just because the Yankees are better players or better people or what have you.

We're talking about people who can baaaaarely name anything Obama's done, probably don't know who the vice president is, and maybe will read/see one thing about Mitt Romney other than commercials before voting.

/Before I get too yelled at, there's a slew of these folks on all sides.
 
2012-09-18 01:45:03 AM

Dafatone: fusillade762: Aussie_As: quisph: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: You're assuming that they know what the true impact of Tea Party policies would be on their tax bill. I don't think most rank-and-file Tea Partiers are that well-informed. All they need to do is believe that it would lower their tax bill. They don't have to be right to be selfish.

That's a very interesting point. I hadn't thought about it from that angle. There must be quite a few Tea Partiers who don't even pay tax, but are looking forward to the day they get a tax cut.

There's also the relatively deluded "I'm not rich now but someday I might be" angle.

That angle's overplayed. It's a (very flawed) rational argument that's based in political knowledge. Politically aware sorts think this is what's going on because they assume others are politically aware too.

Most of these tea party / hard right wing sorts aren't politically knowledgeable. It's a cultural sort of thing. If everyone you know believes a certain thing, that's a lot of incentive to believe that thing. It's not that far off from being a sports fan. I'm not going to stop liking the Mets just because the Yankees are better players or better people or what have you.

We're talking about people who can baaaaarely name anything Obama's done, probably don't know who the vice president is, and maybe will read/see one thing about Mitt Romney other than commercials before voting.

/Before I get too yelled at, there's a slew of these folks on all sides.


Conservatives tend to be much more "team oriented" than liberals. Distrust of out groups is one of their defining characteristics. One look at how cohesive the Republican party is vs Democrats should demonstrate that pretty well.
 
2012-09-18 01:51:05 AM

fusillade762: Dafatone: fusillade762: Aussie_As: quisph: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: ...

Conservatives tend to be much more "team oriented" than liberals. Distrust of out groups is one of their defining characteristics. One look at how cohesive the Republican party is vs Democrats should demonstrate that pretty well.


It seems to be true in many parts of the world that as you go from the left to the right of the political spectrum, you find it becomes more disciplined. It's very depressing.
 
2012-09-18 01:57:32 AM

Aussie_As: fusillade762: Dafatone: fusillade762: Aussie_As: quisph: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: ...

Conservatives tend to be much more "team oriented" than liberals. Distrust of out groups is one of their defining characteristics. One look at how cohesive the Republican party is vs Democrats should demonstrate that pretty well.

It seems to be true in many parts of the world that as you go from the left to the right of the political spectrum, you find it becomes more disciplined. It's very depressing.


Well, if liberal is "Let's change things!" and conservative is "Let's not change things!" then changing things opens the door to tons of options, while not changing things is pretty much one set of ideas.

/Of course, conservatives in america want to change tons of things.
 
2012-09-18 02:22:44 AM
Occupy Fox News.
 
2012-09-18 02:29:52 AM

Dafatone: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Dafatone: fusillade762: Aussie_As: quisph: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: ...

Conservatives tend to be much more "team oriented" than liberals. Distrust of out groups is one of their defining characteristics. One look at how cohesive the Republican party is vs Democrats should demonstrate that pretty well.

It seems to be true in many parts of the world that as you go from the left to the right of the political spectrum, you find it becomes more disciplined. It's very depressing.

Well, if liberal is "Let's change things!" and conservative is "Let's not change things!" then changing things opens the door to tons of options, while not changing things is pretty much one set of ideas.

/Of course, conservatives in america want to change tons of things.


They want to change things back to a mythical time that never really existed.
 
2012-09-18 03:41:01 AM
They didn't just use footage from Libya and Cairo? That's a step up for Fox News.
 
2012-09-18 06:11:07 AM
ows is just time filler news. Don't waste a photographer on those bums, you've seen one ows stinkhippie and you've seen them all.
Here's something interesting. This is the obamorons and demtards pretending to thank American Veterans with a backdrop using the RUSSIAN NAVY at the dem convention.

i1253.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-18 06:34:10 AM

Aussie_As: quisph: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: You're assuming that they know what the true impact of Tea Party policies would be on their tax bill. I don't think most rank-and-file Tea Partiers are that well-informed. All they need to do is believe that it would lower their tax bill. They don't have to be right to be selfish.

That's a very interesting point. I hadn't thought about it from that angle. There must be quite a few Tea Partiers who don't even pay tax, but are looking forward to the day they get a tax cut.


I'm a registered Libertarian with lots of Tea Party sympathies. Many people in my family identify with the Tea Party as (stupid, I know) Republican voters. Look, it's as simple as this: We don't believe that it is/should be the function of government to take things from some people and give them to others.

I am poor. I will probably receive more money back in tax refunds/rebates/wealth redistribution for this year's taxes than I paid in federal income tax. That is wrong, flat out. I am not owed any money by any level of government, especially when that money was forcibly taken from someone else who worked very hard for it.

Compassionate libertarians like myself believe that it is right and good for wealthy people to contribute to the well-being of their communities. Some do, and some do not. The facade of government helps no one, though. Some government officials and programs really do aim to help people, and some are selfish and self-interested. On one hand, we have people who will help and care about others, and on the other hand, we have the self-serving. It happens in government as well as among the citizenry, because (news flash!) the government is actually composed of human beings, even if they hide behind papers and policies and the anonymity of institutions.

I am someone who believes I am more intelligent than most wealthy people, and yet I believe that it continues to be their responsibility to help and to form their communities with their time, money, and talents, and it is not the duty of elected representatives to wrestle money away from them in vain attempt to promote the lumpenproletariat to the status of privileged elite.

Tea partiers generally do not care so much about the economics of tax cuts for businesses/wealthy people as much as they favor basic financial responsibility and they oppose government intrusion into social and financial matters. They just get sucked into Republican strategies for reasons of pragmatism and/or ignorance. They still believe it's a better road than liberal progressivism.
 
2012-09-18 09:47:14 AM

BoxOfBees: Aussie_As: quisph: Aussie_As: fusillade762: Aussie_As: fusillade762: You're assuming that they know what the true impact of Tea Party policies would be on their tax bill. I don't think most rank-and-file Tea Partiers are that well-informed. All they need to do is believe that it would lower their tax bill. They don't have to be right to be selfish.

That's a very interesting point. I hadn't thought about it from that angle. There must be quite a few Tea Partiers who don't even pay tax, but are looking forward to the day they get a tax cut.

I'm a registered Libertarian with lots of Tea Party sympathies. Many people in my family identify with the Tea Party as (stupid, I know) Republican voters. Look, it's as simple as this: We don't believe that it is/should be the function of government to take things from some people and give them to others.

I am poor. I will probably receive more money back in tax refunds/rebates/wealth redistribution for this year's taxes than I paid in federal income tax. That is wrong, flat out. I am not owed any money by any level of government, especially when that money was forcibly taken from someone else who worked very hard for it.

Compassionate libertarians like myself believe that it is right and good for wealthy people to contribute to the well-being of their communities. Some do, and some do not. The facade of government helps no one, though. Some government officials and programs really do aim to help people, and some are selfish and self-interested. On one hand, we have people who will help and care about others, and on the other hand, we have the self-serving. It happens in government as well as among the citizenry, because (news flash!) the government is actually composed of human beings, even if they hide behind papers and policies and the anonymity of institutions.

I am someone who believes I am more intelligent than most wealthy people, and yet I believe that it continues to be their responsibility to help and to form their ...


You know, government would probably work better if half of our elected officials weren't dedicated to making government suck.
 
2012-09-18 11:22:24 AM

JesseL: FlashHarry: this is why you will lose, republicans. when you have to lie and cheat and otherwise breitbart things to make a point, you know your fundamental position is corrupt and rotten.

As if the other side didn't do the same shiat.

Link


fox pulls this shiat on a daily basis. and all you can find is one incident from three years ago? pffft.
 
2012-09-18 12:01:40 PM

FlashHarry: fox pulls this shiat on a daily basis. and all you can find is one incident from three years ago? pffft.


I don't watch any of them. The posted incident is just one that happens to stick out.

For a more recent example, how about MSNBC's declining to cover any of the minority speakers at the RNC?
 
2012-09-18 12:05:52 PM

JesseL: FlashHarry: fox pulls this shiat on a daily basis. and all you can find is one incident from three years ago? pffft.

I don't watch any of them. The posted incident is just one that happens to stick out.

For a more recent example, how about MSNBC's declining to cover any of the minority speakers at the RNC?


wait, what now?
 
2012-09-18 12:09:30 PM

JesseL: FlashHarry: fox pulls this shiat on a daily basis. and all you can find is one incident from three years ago? pffft.

I don't watch any of them. The posted incident is just one that happens to stick out.

For a more recent example, how about MSNBC's declining to cover any of the minority speakers at the RNC?


hey, whadda ya know, that's bullshiat too!
 
2012-09-18 06:15:41 PM

Dafatone: I am someone who believes I am more intelligent than most wealthy people, and yet I believe that it continues to be their responsibility to help and to form their ...

You know, government would probably work better if half of our elected officials weren't dedicated to making government suck.


"When the government is run by a political party committed to the belief that government is always the problem, never the solution, that belief tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Key priorities are neglected; key functions are privatized; and key people, the competent public servants who make government work, either leave or are driven out."

- Paul Krugman


"Conservatives cannot govern well for the same reason that vegetarians cannot prepare a world-class beef bourguignon: If you believe that what you are called upon to do is wrong, you are not likely to do it very well. As a way of governing, conservatism is another name for disaster."

- Michael Wolfe
 
2012-09-18 06:29:29 PM

BoxOfBees: We don't believe that it is/should be the function of government to take things from some people and give them to others.


So what SHOULD government be doing? And how should they pay for it?
 
2012-09-18 07:22:01 PM

fusillade762: BoxOfBees: We don't believe that it is/should be the function of government to take things from some people and give them to others.

So what SHOULD government be doing? And how should they pay for it?


This. @BoxOfBees, I have no doubt you're intelligent and genuine in your views. But your view does not take into account the need to rectify inherent injustices in the system. I would have NO sympathy for supporting poor communities who were deliberately poor by their own choice. This would be economic madness. But when communities are poor because of structural racism or other discrimination, either in current times or in the past, these things will not just simply right themselves. I'm talking "inner city" communities, communities hit by the closure of factories because right-wing governments have sent jobs overseas (usually for no better reason than to weaken trade unions) and communities established for some probably forgotten reason but then never provided the resources to flourish. Income redistribution, preferably through the form of programs which educate and set folks up to succeed, is absolutely necessary. Else crime flourishes, drugs are widespread, and the whole mess only gets much worse and harder again to solve.

You're not wealthy, you shouldn't have a hard time seeing my point of view. Whether you adopt this viewpoint is a matter for yourself.
 
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