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(Huffington Post)   If you're going to make scathing remarks about the voter base, make sure you're not being filmed. Right, Mitt?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 980
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2012-09-18 02:14:56 AM  

Pinner: cloud_van_dame: Apparently he dislikes the elderly and war veterans.

and dogs.


His contempt for old military dogs knows no bounds.
 
2012-09-18 02:15:20 AM  
Everything else aside, it is utterly amazing that Rmoney apparently gets up in front of his donors and admits that 47% of the population won't vote for him. Quite the sell there Mittens! Where do I donate?
 
2012-09-18 02:19:52 AM  

balloot: Everything else aside, it is utterly amazing that Rmoney apparently gets up in front of his donors and admits that 47% of the population won't vote for him. Quite the sell there Mittens! Where do I donate?


What is sillier is he admitted he is competing for voters that voted Obama in 2008 and then called Obama voters...losers.
 
2012-09-18 02:20:20 AM  

propasaurus: It's the absolute disgust and disdain he has for half the country he hopes to lead.


It's even worse than that. He thinks that even the most basic social safety net of food and housing are unreasonable demands from a parasitic underclass. Taken at face value, Mitt Romney believes that children should die of starvation rather than become self-styled victims, dependent on big government food assistance. These are his own terrifying words.
 
2012-09-18 02:22:04 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: The 10pm EST press conference is the political equivalent of a four alarm fire


Shoots first, aims later.

Twice in one week he can't show restraint. Even ignoring the content, his handling of these issues is damaging.
 
2012-09-18 02:28:36 AM  
The odd thing about this and Akin's "women don't get pregnant from rape" comments, is initially I thought "well, duh, Republicans have been saying this shat for years. How does this change anything?" Yet apparently it does.

"We won't let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers" and blatant lie after lie doesn't hurt Republicans. I guess they only get in trouble when they tell the truth.
 
2012-09-18 02:28:54 AM  
A rare candid statement from Romney. He truly despises most Americans. A smug, arrogant elitist.
 
2012-09-18 02:28:58 AM  

o5iiawah: mainstreet62: You're keeping closer to 75% of your paycheck, probably more. Don't be obtuse.

Social security takes 15% right off the top, so I'm not quite sure where 75 comes in.


SS AND Medicare max out at 7.65%, from your paycheck. Less if you're over $110K. So, as I had to explain to someone else last week:

If you're paying that much per check, I suggest you look into your W4's as withholding too much (that you, you know, get back in the spring as a REFUND check) here: http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/IRS-Withholding-Calculator (I hew as close as possible to actual amount due since I don't believe in refunds as forced, non-interest *savings*). Personally, being OK enough above the *median* income, my last actual fed rate on gross after standard deduction and tax floor (no mortgage for me to deduct, no child under 17 any more for a credit, etc. . . basically, a gold ol' plain vanilla 1040A / EZ if childless) for me and a teenager was just microscopically short of 10%. Then there's the FICA for SS and Medicare -- which is only 7.65% at MAX (6.2 and 1.45 respectively) that reduces to 4.2 and 1.45 somewhere below $100K and eliminates SS altogether at $110K annual gross -- which is what ACTUALLY supports those programs. Whatever else you're paying (to state and local taxes also) does not support those programs. And since the current top fed rate is only 35%, even w/ FICA it's *impossible* to pay the feds 40%. And btw, anything you're paying for your share of health insurance or to a 401K (etc.) doesn't count as *tax* for what you *keep* from your check . . . just in case that's part of what you're counting toward the final net total.

Jebus you're obnoxious and willfully obtuse.
 
2012-09-18 02:29:18 AM  
I hope some low-level romney social media consultant flunky monkey has to read these threads and then write a report, crying.
 
2012-09-18 02:29:29 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: they are "dependent on government" and "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing,"

Is this an inaccurate statement?


actually, in fact, yes.
 
2012-09-18 02:31:11 AM  

Harry Ovaries: o5iiawah: mainstreet62: You're keeping closer to 75% of your paycheck, probably more. Don't be obtuse.

Social security takes 15% right off the top, so I'm not quite sure where 75 comes in.

SS AND Medicare max out at 7.65%, from your paycheck. Less if you're over $110K. So, as I had to explain to someone else last week:

If you're paying that much per check, I suggest you look into your W4's as withholding too much (that you, you know, get back in the spring as a REFUND check) here: http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/IRS-Withholding-Calculator (I hew as close as possible to actual amount due since I don't believe in refunds as forced, non-interest *savings*). Personally, being OK enough above the *median* income, my last actual fed rate on gross after standard deduction and tax floor (no mortgage for me to deduct, no child under 17 any more for a credit, etc. . . basically, a gold ol' plain vanilla 1040A / EZ if childless) for me and a teenager was just microscopically short of 10%. Then there's the FICA for SS and Medicare -- which is only 7.65% at MAX (6.2 and 1.45 respectively) that reduces to 4.2 and 1.45 somewhere below $100K and eliminates SS altogether at $110K annual gross -- which is what ACTUALLY supports those programs. Whatever else you're paying (to state and local taxes also) does not support those programs. And since the current top fed rate is only 35%, even w/ FICA it's *impossible* to pay the feds 40%. And btw, anything you're paying for your share of health insurance or to a 401K (etc.) doesn't count as *tax* for what you *keep* from your check . . . just in case that's part of what you're counting toward the final net total.

Jebus you're obnoxious and willfully obtuse.


I am sure he is talking about the 15% that you and your employer pay but it seems weird to include the employer contribution.
 
2012-09-18 02:32:29 AM  

Bucky Katt: Dancin_In_Anson: they are "dependent on government" and "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing,"

Is this an inaccurate statement?

actually, in fact, yes.


I know Dancin in Anson can be a royal douchebag but I would expect even he could have answered his own retarded question.
 
2012-09-18 02:32:51 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: ManateeGag: yeah, fark those people who want food and shelter!

I want food and shelter.


You soulless bastard.
 
2012-09-18 02:38:17 AM  
Why doesn't the other 47% just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and be the son of a CEO and state governor? Is it really Mitt's fault that your dad is all poor and middle class?
 
2012-09-18 02:42:26 AM  

Sabyen91: I am sure he is talking about the 15% that you and your employer pay but it seems weird to include the employer contribution.


I agree with him on that. The employer isn't really contributing, if you believe in true fair market pricing for wages. It's like how "companies don't pay taxes, the consumer does!" A worker passes the costs of their taxes onto the employer.

Anyway, it means the bottom 20% have a higher federal tax rate than Romney - who is calling those people mooches because they don't pay a high enough rate on one specific federal tax, despite the fact they have a total federal tax rate higher than Romney.

Freepers were excited that we "need this discussion." They're right about needing the discussion, but they have no clue how wrong they are on the facts.
 
2012-09-18 02:43:17 AM  

Sabyen91: themeaningoflifeisnot: Sabyen91: The portrait of a man rapidly unraveling at the seams.. Even his perfect helmet-hair is looking ragged.

He looks tired.

Beating up on the poor and the sick and the elderly is exhausting work.

You know...that gives me an idea. Everybody knows about bum fights. I think we should have bum vs. rich entitled rich boy fights. I would pay to see it.


Oh......[happy sigh]...I love you.
 
2012-09-18 02:54:34 AM  

impaler: Sabyen91: I am sure he is talking about the 15% that you and your employer pay but it seems weird to include the employer contribution.

I agree with him on that. The employer isn't really contributing, if you believe in true fair market pricing for wages. It's like how "companies don't pay taxes, the consumer does!" A worker passes the costs of their taxes onto the employer.

Anyway, it means the bottom 20% have a higher federal tax rate than Romney - who is calling those people mooches because they don't pay a high enough rate on one specific federal tax, despite the fact they have a total federal tax rate higher than Romney.

Freepers were excited that we "need this discussion." They're right about needing the discussion, but they have no clue how wrong they are on the facts.


Yeah, you could take it into account because it is part of your total compensation (something, as a Wisconsinite, I have learned the right has no idea about).
 
2012-09-18 02:56:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: themeaningoflifeisnot: Sabyen91: The portrait of a man rapidly unraveling at the seams.. Even his perfect helmet-hair is looking ragged.

He looks tired.

Beating up on the poor and the sick and the elderly is exhausting work.

You know...that gives me an idea. Everybody knows about bum fights. I think we should have bum vs. rich entitled rich boy fights. I would pay to see it.

Oh......[happy sigh]...I love you.


Heh, I would find the toughest SOBs on the street and the most arrogant richies. I would feel bad about it for awhile. Then I would get over it.
 
2012-09-18 03:00:33 AM  
Comment of the hour at Huffpo:

drini
23 seconds ago ( 2:57 AM)
According to David Corn, it was an honored GOP guest who filmed it.......prolly like the many who gave Harry Reid their info......this man is abhorred by those he considers "his base". "
 
2012-09-18 03:05:08 AM  

Sabyen91:

Yeah, you could take it into account because it is part of your total compensation (something, as a Wisconsinite, I have learned the right has no idea about).


but he very specifically said he wants to keep at least half his *paycheck.* Doesn't sound inclusive of employer matching contribs . . . especially since they don't include that $ in your offer letter or raise total for salary/compensation. And his doing so would technically lower the actual rate by increasing the technical compensation amount (i.e., 50K salary + 7.65% employer on it = 53,825, and total 7,650 = only 14.2 of 53,825)
 
2012-09-18 03:09:35 AM  

impaler: Sabyen91: I am sure he is talking about the 15% that you and your employer pay but it seems weird to include the employer contribution.

I agree with him on that. The employer isn't really contributing, if you believe in true fair market pricing for wages. It's like how "companies don't pay taxes, the consumer does!" A worker passes the costs of their taxes onto the employer.

Anyway, it means the bottom 20% have a higher federal tax rate than Romney - who is calling those people mooches because they don't pay a high enough rate on one specific federal tax, despite the fact they have a total federal tax rate higher than Romney.

Freepers were excited that we "need this discussion." They're right about needing the discussion, but they have no clue how wrong they are on the facts.


I saw a newbie call an oldtimer Freeper a troll because the old timer refused to drink the 'this is good for us and will make people vote for Romney!' koolaid on this one. I saw another one claim this issue wasn't trending on twitter. Another still claimed that Jim Robinson has been supporting Mitt Romney since he was unofficially made the GOP nominee. And then there are all the old enough to be old timers trying mightily to convince themselves that Mitt Romney not only didn't insult half the nation, but also that Mitt Romney 'obviously' didn't mean war vets or those on social security, he meant 'those people'... with only one person bringing up the hypocrisy of saying that some forms of socialism are good as long as they're the forms of socialism you benefit from. You don't fk with social security over there.

The conspiracy theorists who think this was brought up because Obama numbers were tanking over Obama's handling of what's happening in Northern Africa .. I have more respect for them. But the refusal to look reality in the face and deal with it, from the others, is headache inducing. This is truly worse than the night after Akin, over there.
 
2012-09-18 03:15:13 AM  

Nabb1: Aarontology: Nabb1: What's your own personal stake in that? Like six bucks? Do you accepts the PayPal?

I want interest, too. Like you said, you aren't entitled to anything from anyone else, and you don't have the right to demand the government provide you with anything. Your flood protection and oil spill clean up aren't any different than someone else's food stamps.

I don't think our flood protection is an entitlement. Considering that the city itself is a major port and is the largest confluence of brown water, blue water and rail shipping in North America, it is an important city to the nation. Protecting it is a good idea, but not an entitlement. Same with cleaning up BP's mess, which, BTW, BP should be footing in its entirety. It's their responsibility to pay for the damage they caused, but I don't think it's something we are "entitled to" from the government. Again, is it a good idea to restore damages wetlands from the oil spill? Of course. Is it an entitlement? No, it is not.


It's naivety like this that makes me wish the south could fight even half as well as they can talk.
 
2012-09-18 03:15:49 AM  

Harry Ovaries: Sabyen91:

Yeah, you could take it into account because it is part of your total compensation (something, as a Wisconsinite, I have learned the right has no idea about).

but he very specifically said he wants to keep at least half his *paycheck.* Doesn't sound inclusive of employer matching contribs . . . especially since they don't include that $ in your offer letter or raise total for salary/compensation. And his doing so would technically lower the actual rate by increasing the technical compensation amount (i.e., 50K salary + 7.65% employer on it = 53,825, and total 7,650 = only 14.2 of 53,825)


He must be Mitt's accountant.
 
2012-09-18 03:21:47 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: I saw a newbie call an oldtimer Freeper a troll because the old timer refused to drink the 'this is good for us and will make people vote for Romney!' koolaid on this one. I saw another one claim this issue wasn't trending on twitter. Another still claimed that Jim Robinson has been supporting Mitt Romney since he was unofficially made the GOP nominee. And then there are all the old enough to be old timers trying mightily to convince themselves that Mitt Romney not only didn't insult half the nation, but also that Mitt Romney 'obviously' didn't mean war vets or those on social security, he meant 'those people'... with only one person bringing up the hypocrisy of saying that some forms of socialism are good as long as they're the forms of socialism you benefit from. You don't fk with social security over there.

The conspiracy theorists who think this was brought up because Obama numbers were tanking over Obama's handling of what's happening in Northern Africa .. I have more respect for them. But the refusal to look reality in the face and deal with it, from the others, is headache inducing. This is truly worse than the night after Akin, over there.


I hope Romney's doing this all on purpose. That he's so disgusted with the GOP, he's going to deliberately drive them off a cliff.
 
2012-09-18 03:23:47 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mitt Romney 'obviously' didn't mean war vets or those on social security, he meant 'those people'...


That's the only way to spin this where he can still save the votes from his base.
 
2012-09-18 03:24:18 AM  

impaler: I hope Romney's doing this all on purpose. That he's so disgusted with the GOP, he's going to deliberately drive them off a cliff.


People wanted to believe the same about McCain. Turns out this is just what it looks like when a party falls apart in front of your eyes.
 
2012-09-18 03:25:49 AM  

InmanRoshi: Who could have guessed this guy would have turned out to be such a sneering, plutocratic, douche-nozzle behind closed doors?

[www.washingtonpost.com image 510x310]


You'll have to point which one of the guys he is because they all have douche-nozzle written all over them.
 
2012-09-18 03:26:00 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: impaler: I hope Romney's doing this all on purpose. That he's so disgusted with the GOP, he's going to deliberately drive them off a cliff.

People wanted to believe the same about McCain. Turns out this is just what it looks like when a party falls apart in front of your eyes.


Oh yeah. In fact, I probably accused McCain of the same thing in 2008.
 
2012-09-18 03:40:57 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: propasaurus: It's the absolute disgust and disdain he has for half the country he hopes to lead.

It's even worse than that. He thinks that even the most basic social safety net of food and housing are unreasonable demands from a parasitic underclass. Taken at face value, Mitt Romney believes that children should die of starvation rather than become self-styled victims, dependent on big government food assistance. These are his own terrifying words.


WRONG. Rush, Newt, as well as other Republicans, have said they'll hire children to maintain their properties, which would allow children to survive. And that is why we need to end child labor laws.
 
2012-09-18 04:08:10 AM  
So, I will vote O....but living in Utah of course it's a waste of a vote. If you think about it in a way, if some freaking way Mittens wins, it will just hasten the end of the world as we know it. Global war, zombies, whatever. Time to invest in those survival skills you've been reading up on.
 
2012-09-18 04:29:51 AM  
This reminds me of the thread about the kid who removed the clip from his glock and then demonstrated to his friends that it was "safe" to put the gun to his head and pull the trigger.
 
2012-09-18 04:32:49 AM  
Bookmark.

Excellent thread with some strong arguments and facts. Also, some not so bad funnies. Thank you, Fark community. It doesn't always happen but when it does it's worthwhile.
 
2012-09-18 04:58:56 AM  
Yeah, it's not like Obama's "they bitterly cling to their guns and religion" remark.
 
2012-09-18 05:03:28 AM  

ELF Radio: Redburn

"But again I looked down into the vault, and in fancy beheld the pale, shrunken forms still crouching there. Ah! what are our creeds, and how to we hope to be saved? Tell me, oh Bible, that story of Lazarus again, that I may find comfort in my heart for the poor and forlorn. Surrounded as we are by the wants and woes of our fellowmen, and yet given to follow our own pleasures, regardless of their pains, are we not like people sitting up with a corpse, and making merry in the house of the dead?"


It's okay, none of this matters since nobody reads anymore. It's for intellectuals and elitists.
 
2012-09-18 05:05:26 AM  

propasaurus: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mitt Romney 'obviously' didn't mean war vets or those on social security, he meant 'those people'...

That's the only way to spin this where he can still save the votes from his base.


He already did spin it for the base. Like a poster said over at WaPo's blog (and others have said in this thread):

FauxReal wrote:
9/17/2012 10:17 PM MDT
He said something similar before at a fundraiser.

Remember the NAACP speech? After that he attended a fundraiser in Hamilton, Montana and brought up the booing at the NAACP, and told donors "if they (Obamacare supporters) want more stuff from government tell them to go vote for the other guy - more free stuff. But don't forget nothing is really free."

I guess this time he just added more details.


But what could you expect from the Bishop.
 
2012-09-18 05:08:23 AM  

tony41454: Yeah, it's not like Obama's "they bitterly cling to their guns and religion" remark.


Obama got clowned for it. Romney is getting clowned for this.
Are both statements true, are both statements false? Why did
each man make either statement?
 
2012-09-18 05:28:46 AM  

tony41454: Yeah, it's not like Obama's "they bitterly cling to their guns and religion" remark.


You sound bitter... and clingy.
 
2012-09-18 05:30:13 AM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-18 05:33:52 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: Romney wasn't my choice, but up until today, I didn't actually think of him as a bad person. Now he seems like a complete and utter creep.Who knew the Occupy Wall Street crowd were right all this time?


I think it probably could be deduced from his line of work: if your job is to oversee the acquisition and breakup of existing companies, sacking most everyone and selling off the pieces you have to become pretty callous and not think about the details. I mean statistically you can guarantee every time you do it to a company of any size you are going to screw up a certain proportion of peoples lives - some will hit the booze when they can't get another job, hit the skids, and commit suicide. Others will get into financial trouble and get divorced leaving kids fatherless and more likely to get into crime. Yet more will get ill at the wrong time and die from something curable if they could have had proper treatment rather than just turn up in an ER too late to do anything about it.

So you can see why you would have to become inured against the plight of "little people" to do that job successfully. Obviously this isn't true of all wealthy people - lots of them spend their time building things and sharing the profit of doing so (Buffett, Gates, most venture capitalists, etc.), rather than creating and stripping corpses.
 
2012-09-18 05:47:09 AM  

organizmx: My grandfather, an 86 year old veteran, and my wife's mom, sixty and still working two jobs, would like to punch both you and Mitt Romney in the face.


Because...? I can only assume that he HAS to work two jobs because the Social Security that he has been paying into since before the war isn't enough. Yeah, my Father (USCG Combat veteran WWII) felt the same way when he worked until the age of 86. We were also feeling the same way when we were told that we would basically have to make him destitute on paper for him to be able to receive Medicare benefits that he paid into since it's inception. So yeah fark off.

Bucky Katt: I want food and shelter.

You soulless bastard.


You don't want food ands shelter? Interesting.
 
2012-09-18 05:53:13 AM  

Bloody William: vartian: Dancin_In_Anson: vartian: I believe peopled are entitled to those things.

At least you agree with the statement and are happy to admit it. Everyone else does but seems to be bothered by that fact.

I own my fuzzy liberalism, good sir :)

I freely admit it, too. Though I think DIA's trying to ignore my existence after I pointed out how utterly full of shiat he is both in quoting me and in presenting two potentially exclusive statements as one consistent one.



DIA is perpetually full of shiat.

Just another Texan retard.
 
2012-09-18 05:54:56 AM  

sweetmelissa31: 5% of Farkers are Social Darwinists.


And they deserve to be driven out.
 
2012-09-18 05:58:25 AM  
I think it is time we roll the quote out again:

"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it."


― Stephen Colbert
 
2012-09-18 06:06:52 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: The conspiracy theorists who think this was brought up because Obama numbers were tanking over Obama's handling of what's happening in Northern Africa .. I have more respect for them. But the refusal to look reality in the face and deal with it, from the others, is headache inducing. This is truly worse than the night after Akin, over there.


Now that is funny. I can see it now. Obama pulls Biden into the situation room and says "Look Joe, we got to do something fast because our numbers are dropping fast because of this North Africa thing, and you know what that means don't you? Sarah Palin will automatically be president."

So together they hatch a plan to incapacitate Romney before his speech, then Obama would put on a Romney mask and very deceitfully address the crowd delivering this damaging message. And this wasn't even the worse part. The person taping this was obviously interrupted and had to stop taping before the most disturbing part of the speech. Obama, wearing the Romney mask, jumped on a couch in the conference hall and started jumping up and down on it and grinding his muddy shoes into it scream "fark yo couch 47%, fark yo couch!"

Truly diabolical.
 
2012-09-18 06:25:08 AM  

quatchi: tony41454: Yeah, it's not like Obama's "they bitterly cling to their guns and religion" remark.

You sound bitter... and clingy.


I own guns AND am "religious" and I still wouldn't vote for that turd pile in an empty suit the GOP has flung at the country. DUCK!
 
2012-09-18 06:34:32 AM  

ongbok: So together they hatch a plan to incapacitate Romney before his speech, then Obama would put on a Romney mask and very deceitfully address the crowd delivering this damaging message. And this wasn't even the worse part. The person taping this was obviously interrupted and had to stop taping before the most disturbing part of the speech. Obama, wearing the Romney mask, jumped on a couch in the conference hall and started jumping up and down on it and grinding his muddy shoes into it scream "fark yo couch 47%, fark yo couch!"


I think this is the episode where Joe Biden ends up as Richard Grieco's butler.
 
2012-09-18 06:48:14 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-18 06:53:13 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: propasaurus: It's the absolute disgust and disdain he has for half the country he hopes to lead.

It's even worse than that. He thinks that even the most basic social safety net of food and housing are unreasonable demands from a parasitic underclass. Taken at face value, Mitt Romney believes that children should die of starvation rather than become self-styled victims, dependent on big government food assistance. These are his own terrifying words.


Couldn't have said it better.
 
2012-09-18 07:14:14 AM  

abb3w: And this is still too early to be the October surprise.


Agreed. I'm starting to think that will be his leaked tax returns.
 
2012-09-18 07:16:22 AM  
Perhaps he is troubled by the 25% of American children who are on food stamps. Many of whom have parents with jobs that don't pay enough to feed them properly.

Maybe he also has a problem with school lunch programs?
 
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