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2012-09-17 11:45:47 PM

indylaw: Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 468x351]
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Mitt Romney looks like he's either high on speed or has a curling iron up his ass. He's clearly rattled.


Sell tickets to shove a curling iron up Mitt's ass. Deficit gone.
 
2012-09-17 11:46:45 PM
 
2012-09-17 11:48:52 PM

quartercomma: sirrerun: So, how would one "elegantly" state that sentiment, Mitt?

Keep the words the same, but raise your pinky. And keep your monacle adjusted.


But of course.
Good show, Holmes!
I do say.
 
2012-09-17 11:49:22 PM

skullkrusher: Had to talk my wife out of fostering kids


That is a hard job, more power to you when/if you are ready for that sort of thing.
 
2012-09-17 11:50:47 PM

dumbobruni: false, for the first half of my statement that you disagree with.


what's false?
 
2012-09-17 11:51:04 PM
I predicted this. I said it was only a matter of time before Mitt revealed his true colors in a way that will alienate undecided voters and put the final nail in his campaign's coffin. So today, I'm very happy to say, I told you so.
 
2012-09-17 11:51:07 PM

Gyrfalcon: It's because of selfish, greedy dicks like this one that we have to have laws requiring taxes to go to social services. Can you even imagine him voluntarily donating any of his hardearned money to charity? F*ck no, if he didn't have to pay taxes he'd be in his basement counting all his extra money like a dragon on its hoard.


Guess what? i do but in a free society, it is none of your farking business what I do with my time or my money. See how this works?

kapaso: Safety net programs are the hallmark of a first world country, their is no prosperous country that exists without them. What exactly do you want to do away with?

Realitity has passed about as cLear a verdict as it ever does on the issue of social programs and it seems your ideas are on the wrong side, but I could be wrong, if you clarified exactly what you want to eliminate that would be a start.


The existence of social programs to benefit the scant percentage of the elderly, children, infirmed and temporarily unfortunate doesn't help explain the staggering numbers of able people who rely on government assistance as their primary form of sustenance. The narrative often gets changed from "We should help the poor" to "So what if so-and-so doesn't want to work? They should be allowed to pursue their passions and an advanced society should support it"

A mentality like that is unsustainable.

For starters, I would like to see Social Security be made voluntary. The idea that we cannot trust someone to plan for their retirement, so we're going to trust a politician with the key to the coffers is absurd. You pay into the program your entire life, cannot borrow against it, cannot retire early and are lucky to see a little of it when you finally reach the age on which to draw benefits. 15% of your paycheck, buried in the ground in the backyard would yield better returns than Social Security. Liberals will often say, "Well SS is so popular!" because when you tax people for 50 years on a contract that you're going to give them a bit of their money back, they expect it. Any honest debate about this is met with claims that I want people to eat dog food,

Again, going back to central planning versus nihilism.
 
2012-09-17 11:51:19 PM

indylaw: Don't you think he looks tired?


Very, how would look after 3 months in the big chair?
 
2012-09-17 11:51:58 PM

mainstreet62: skullkrusher: mainstreet62: skullkrusher: St Jude's household here + some local charities our friends work with. Wasn't implying anything against you personally, just the joke about people spending other people's money saving kids.

/good on you
//throw out St Jude's thank you calendar before you open it. Sad sad stuff
///poor Sally Struthers

You're a good man.

My family (including myself) mostly donates to The Greek Children's Fund at Sloane Kettering, especially nowadays with all the economic hardship in Greece. We've helped out several families with plane tickets, a place to stay, etc.. in addition to funding for the hospital.

very nice. Had to talk my wife out of fostering kids. She's going through post-Republican withdrawal and we're just not ready for that sort of thing right now :)

Eh, get her a few cats. Or a vacation. Girls like those. ;-)


I let her design her own engagement ring, gave her a biological kid and my companionship. She should count her blessings ;)
 
2012-09-17 11:52:00 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: o5iiawah: In the absence of a crime, When did one person incur a debt to take care of another?


"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

You could move to a country that isn't based on this contract if you don't want to take care of other people.
 
2012-09-17 11:53:18 PM

spongeboob: indylaw: Don't you think he looks tired?

Very, how would look after 3 months in the big chair?


3 months? Give it four days. We'll be at war with Jamaica and everyone else.
 
2012-09-17 11:53:38 PM

spongeboob: skullkrusher: Had to talk my wife out of fostering kids

That is a hard job, more power to you when/if you are ready for that sort of thing.


yeah dunno if we'll ever be ready for it but I know that now is not the time. We have a 1 year old and I don't think we're prepared to give a foster kid what he deserves while giving it to our son too. At least for now. Lemme squirrel some more away and see how it goes
 
2012-09-17 11:54:09 PM

o5iiawah: The existence of social programs to benefit the scant percentage of the elderly, children, infirmed and temporarily unfortunate doesn't help explain the staggering numbers of able people who rely on government assistance as their primary form of sustenance


Citation for the staggering numbers of able people who rely on government assistance, what are you claiming is this nuber and what is your source?
 
2012-09-17 11:54:27 PM

o5iiawah: the staggering numbers of able people who rely on government assistance as their primary form of sustenance. The narrative often gets changed from "We should help the poor" to "So what if so-and-so doesn't want to work? They should be allowed to pursue their passions and an advanced society should support it"


Translation: I heard once on Rush that most black people treat welfare fraud as a sport, and this was corroborated by one time when I saw this one lady try to use her EBT card to buy twenty bags of Doritos down at Kroger.
 
2012-09-17 11:54:50 PM

redmond24: And now Chris Rock has #RomneyEncore trending hard


I like this one: Bree Newsome @BreeNewsome

Romney apologizes for calling #47percent of Americans "victims". Says he meant to say "lazy bastards." #RomneyEncore
 
2012-09-17 11:55:16 PM

quizzical: What Mitt actually said is less interesting to me then how he's handling it. Mitt held a hasty presser, seemed flustered that the press wasn't going along with his explanation for events, and walked away after three questions. This is a preview of Mitt handling a national emergency. If he was this flustered by a potential hit to his poll numbers, I sure as hell don't want him leading in a situation where people could actually die.

/where's your smirk now, motherfarker?


I imagine he gathered an emergency meeting with all of his top consultants tonight, and it resembled the infamous Downfall tirade.
 
2012-09-17 11:56:28 PM

quizzical: What Mitt actually said is less interesting to me then how he's handling it. Mitt held a hasty presser, seemed flustered that the press wasn't going along with his explanation for events, and walked away after three questions. This is a preview of Mitt handling a national emergency. If he was this flustered by a potential hit to his poll numbers, I sure as hell don't want him leading in a situation where people could actually die.

/where's your smirk now, motherfarker?


www.onebigdog.net
 
2012-09-17 11:57:09 PM

mainstreet62: You're keeping closer to 75% of your paycheck, probably more. Don't be obtuse.


Social security takes 15% right off the top, so I'm not quite sure where 75 comes in.

between contributions to SS, medicare, federal income, state income and the pittance levied by my county, I'm hovering around 40. This is of course before the pre-tax income that I try to invest which sees gains eaten at 15%. Changes to the healthcare law will kibosh my annual increase which of course doesn't offset normal inflation and cost of living adjustments as well. If I'm paying more for basic services thanks to government, this is indirect taxation. Gas went up $.20 in my neighborhood this week which I'm sure had nothing to do with another round of QE. That is taxation.

Of course, this is before I even buy anything.

I get it. We need taxes. I'm happy to pay them, I'm just curious as to how much is fair, how much I should be paying and what more I should be doing for other people?
 
2012-09-17 11:57:11 PM
www.captionthis.org

Meanwhile, back in Washington DC.
 
2012-09-17 11:57:30 PM

InmanRoshi: I imagine he gathered an emergency meeting with all of his top consultants tonight, and it resembled the infamous Downfall tirade.


The Mormon Word of Wisdom speaks out against booze and hot caffeinated drinks, but nothing about PCP. Mittens is tripping balls and throwing around sofas.
 
2012-09-17 11:58:05 PM

redmond24: And now Chris Rock has #RomneyEncore trending hard



This tweet made me lulz:

"People say I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth. So not true. It was actually gold with platinum inlays."
 
2012-09-17 11:58:32 PM

Clutch2013: spongeboob: indylaw: Don't you think he looks tired?

Very, how would look after 3 months in the big chair?

3 months? Give it four days. We'll be at war with Jamaica and everyone else.


Jamaica why because of the Rastafarians smoking dope on the beach
 
2012-09-18 12:01:02 AM

WorldCitizen: I kinda do wish the extreme right, Social Darwinian, theocratic types could carve just one state off of the Union to completely run as their own for about 25 to 30 years. Mass migration of right wing ideological types there so as to tip the balance just enough in the remaining United States to be more progressive. I would like to see some pure, "fark you, I got mine", anti-science, no one deserves health care, our laws should be based on the Bible (ignoring all that love thy neighbor and help the poor bullshiat), anti-gay, creationist educational system government run for over a generation. Then at the end of the 25 or 30 years let that one independent country, former state, vote on whether or not to rejoin the rest of the union and the rest of the nation vote on whether it should be able to rejoin (IF it decides to come crawling back to the First World).

I'm guessing by the end of that 25 to 30 years it would look something pretty damn close to a theocratic, developing world hellhole. Oh, like any good hellhole, there would be a very elite class of super rich. And they would be pissing all over, er, I mean, trickling down all over, the rest (vast majority) of that fun little nation. Maybe it would be enough to end this nonsense once and for all, and we could rejoin the rest of the developed democracies in sanity.


This has already been dreamed up. Link
 
2012-09-18 12:01:09 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sgilman: Romney just announced a press availability for tonight. He's panicking.

He's saying the comment was "not elegantly stated" and was "off the cuff."


The next comment Romney makes that IS elegantly stated will be the first and cause for its own press conference.

Nowhere in his comments do I see even a 'nopology' directed at anyone 'who might have been offended by his douchebaggery.
 
2012-09-18 12:02:21 AM

spongeboob: Clutch2013: spongeboob: indylaw: Don't you think he looks tired?

Very, how would look after 3 months in the big chair?

3 months? Give it four days. We'll be at war with Jamaica and everyone else.

Jamaica why because of the Rastafarians smoking dope on the beach


I honestly don't know, outside of it being the last country in the world I could imagine us pissing off.
 
2012-09-18 12:03:34 AM

o5iiawah: Gyrfalcon: It's because of selfish, greedy dicks like this one that we have to have laws requiring taxes to go to social services. Can you even imagine him voluntarily donating any of his hardearned money to charity? F*ck no, if he didn't have to pay taxes he'd be in his basement counting all his extra money like a dragon on its hoard.

Guess what? i do but in a free society, it is none of your farking business what I do with my time or my money. See how this works?

kapaso: Safety net programs are the hallmark of a first world country, their is no prosperous country that exists without them. What exactly do you want to do away with?

Realitity has passed about as cLear a verdict as it ever does on the issue of social programs and it seems your ideas are on the wrong side, but I could be wrong, if you clarified exactly what you want to eliminate that would be a start.

The existence of social programs to benefit the scant percentage of the elderly, children, infirmed and temporarily unfortunate doesn't help explain the staggering numbers of able people who rely on government assistance as their primary form of sustenance. The narrative often gets changed from "We should help the poor" to "So what if so-and-so doesn't want to work? They should be allowed to pursue their passions and an advanced society should support it"

A mentality like that is unsustainable.

For starters, I would like to see Social Security be made voluntary. The idea that we cannot trust someone to plan for their retirement, so we're going to trust a politician with the key to the coffers is absurd. You pay into the program your entire life, cannot borrow against it, cannot retire early and are lucky to see a little of it when you finally reach the age on which to draw benefits. 15% of your paycheck, buried in the ground in the backyard would yield better returns than Social Security. Liberals will often say, "Well SS is so popular!" because when you tax people for 50 years on a contract that you're going to give them a bit of their money back, they expect it. Any honest debate about this is met with claims that I want people to eat dog food,

Again, going back to central planning versus nihilism.


I'm just goIng to address your point on SS. How did it work out when Americans were responsible for their own retirement?

You can look up the history of American seniors before SS, it's clear you don't know it.
 
2012-09-18 12:04:00 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."


The preamble of the Constitution does not establish limits or authority of the federal government. You can find that in article 1, section 8. otherwise known as the "Enumerated powers"

spongeboob: Citation for the staggering numbers of able people who rely on government assistance, what are you claiming is this nuber and what is your source?


Well, the treasury reports nearly half of all people do not pay federal income taxes. Federal income taxes are what pays for the courts, military pensions, SNAP, etc.

I dont care that some people pay state, county, local taxes etc or that they pay a tax when they buy a 6-er of beer. The whole idea of "general welfare" is that everyone provides for it and everyone benefits. A guy in Dallas doesn't benefit from a sales-tax generating transaction in FL but we all benefit from having a system of courts and protection.

When you get something without paying for it, that is public assistance and nearly half of people dont contribute. This isn't at talking point, it is a fact from the treasury for FY2010. in FY2011, the number rises to 49%

The solution lies in the tax code and I could give a fark how many millionaires or billionaires get burned as a result of it. If I have an obligation to provide for this country in the form of taxes, then Everyone has that obligation. You cant have society when there's protected classes or groups who are exempt from responsibility
 
2012-09-18 12:04:08 AM

Gyrfalcon: Breaking news: Mittens is already disavowing his remarks about the voters:

1. ROMNEY: I SPOKE TOO HASTILY

GOP candidate says a video clip in which he called nearly half of Americans "victims" was "not elegantly stated" and was "spoken off the cuff."

Source: Link


He's not disavowing shiat there. He's simply stated he could have chosen better words to convey the heart of the message there, which he apparantly completely agrees with. This is at best a "Sorry I got caught" statement, and I'm being generous there.
 
2012-09-18 12:06:41 AM

Shrugging Atlas: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: sgilman: Romney just announced a press availability for tonight. He's panicking.

He's saying the comment was "not elegantly stated" and was "off the cuff."

The next comment Romney makes that IS elegantly stated will be the first and cause for its own press conference.

Nowhere in his comments do I see even a 'nopology' directed at anyone 'who might have been offended by his douchebaggery.


I have to go to bed soon. I thought the video was was epic failure but the press conference video actually is beyond that if possible. I think Obama has a chance to take Texas.
 
2012-09-18 12:06:54 AM

o5iiawah: I dont care that some people pay state, county, local taxes etc or that they pay a tax when they buy a 6-er of beer.


o5iiawah: between contributions to SS, medicare, federal income, state income and the pittance levied by my county, I'm hovering around 40.


one of these things is not like the other one
 
2012-09-18 12:07:26 AM

o5iiawah: Social security takes 15% right off the top, so I'm not quite sure where 75 comes in.

between contributions to SS, medicare, federal income, state income and the pittance levied by my county, I'm hovering around 40. This is of course before the pre-tax income that I try to invest which sees gains eaten at 15%. Changes to the healthcare law will kibosh my annual increase which of course doesn't offset normal inflation and cost of living adjustments as well. If I'm paying more for basic services thanks to government, this is indirect taxation. Gas went up $.20 in my neighborhood this week which I'm sure had nothing to do with another round of QE. That is taxation.

Of course, this is before I even buy anything.

I get it. We need taxes. I'm happy to pay them, I'm just curious as to how much is fair, how much I should be paying and what more I should be doing for other people?


Dude, farking grow a nutsack and man up. You're not a martyr. You're just another guy who gets up in the morning, clocks in at work and contributes your share like 90% of the rest of us. You're like the Chris Rock bit about fathers who go on and go telling the world about how they "take care of my kids!!" Yeah, no, shiat ... wanna cookie? That's what father's are supposed to do.

You're not a working hero or a burden carrier .... you're just an faceless working stiff like the rest of us ... a whiny, self absorbed, emotionally stunted, self pitying one at that.
 
2012-09-18 12:07:55 AM
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-18 12:09:26 AM

o5iiawah: themeaningoflifeisnot: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The preamble of the Constitution does not establish limits or authority of the federal government. You can find that in article 1, section 8. otherwise known as the "Enumerated powers"


No shiat, Sherlock. But it does inform us as to the intent of our Founders. Read any history of their early struggles in trying to come up with a workable central government plan and you'll see that they never envisioned simply an eat what you kill society.
 
2012-09-18 12:09:59 AM

o5iiawah: spongeboob: Citation for the staggering numbers of able people who rely on government assistance, what are you claiming is this nuber and what is your source?

Well, the treasury reports nearly half of all people do not pay federal income taxes. Federal income taxes are what pays for the courts, military pensions, SNAP, etc.

I dont care that some people pay state, county, local taxes etc or that they pay a tax when they buy a 6-er of beer. The whole idea of "general welfare" is that everyone provides for it and everyone benefits. A guy in Dallas doesn't benefit from a sales-tax generating transaction in FL but we all benefit from having a system of courts and protection.

When you get something without paying for it, that is public assistance and nearly half of people dont contribute. This isn't at talking point, it is a fact from the treasury for FY2010. in FY2011, the number rises to 49%

The solution lies in the tax code and I could give a fark how many millionaires or billionaires get burned as a result of it. If I have an obligation to provide for this country in the form of taxes, then Everyone has that obligation. You cant have society when there's protected classes or groups who are exempt from responsibility


You say that staggering numbers of able people who rely on government assistance as their primary form of sustenance


But when I call you out on it you change to say that you are talking about people not paying their share. You said that a staggering number of people rely on government assistance for sustenance can you tell me what percent of the population gets their money from the government
 
2012-09-18 12:10:08 AM

kapaso: I'm just goIng to address your point on SS. How did it work out when Americans were responsible for their own retirement?

You can look up the history of American seniors before SS, it's clear you don't know it.


You forgot that people who tried to save money had their assets seized by FDR right? We cant have anyone saving for their retirement, we have money to print!

And if you're comparing lifestyle, quality of life and life expectancy of 1900 to 1970, then...wow.

There was no public outcry for social security, it was simply another barbed hook that FDR stuck into society that once in would be impossible to remove since nobody will ever vote themselves a tax increase or a reduction in benefits....and that first generation didn't have to pay a penny for it.
 
2012-09-18 12:10:34 AM
Mitt, now might be a good time to renounce your Mormonism and take up drinking full time.
 
2012-09-18 12:10:35 AM
Its not just Romney its this is what the GOP believes
 
2012-09-18 12:11:10 AM

o5iiawah: If I have an obligation to provide for this country in the form of taxes, then Everyone has that obligation.


Everyone does have that obligation. It's the millionaires and billionaires that are skipping out on the bill. The poor aren't taxed because they have no money to tax. You can become poor if you want. You can leave it you want. What you can't do is get blood from a stone, or money from someone without it.
 
2012-09-18 12:12:52 AM

12349876: o5iiawah: I dont care that some people pay state, county, local taxes etc or that they pay a tax when they buy a 6-er of beer.

o5iiawah: between contributions to SS, medicare, federal income, state income and the pittance levied by my county, I'm hovering around 40.

one of these things is not like the other one


He is upset because some people don't pay income taxes, I think his point is if these free loaders paid their share he would have more money in his pocket.
 
2012-09-18 12:14:49 AM

redmond24: And now Chris Rock has #RomneyEncore trending hard


damn.
 
2012-09-18 12:15:14 AM

o5iiawah: You forgot that people who tried to save money had their assets seized by FDR right? We cant have anyone saving for their retirement, we have money to print!

Citation

There was no public outcry for social security, it was simply another barbed hook that FDR stuck into society that once in would be impossible to remove since nobody will ever vote themselves a tax increase or a reduction in benefits....and that first generation didn't have to pay a penny for it. I could be wrong but wasn't social security started to address people who would have been starving without?
 
2012-09-18 12:15:38 AM
"The only thing I inherited was three letters-- U,S, and A. Also, a free world class education, a healthy stock portfolio, a mansion, Daddy's Rolodex, no debt... But yeah, America! The greatest country on Earth! Except for the 47% I have no understanding of and a complete disdain for..."
 
2012-09-18 12:16:11 AM

o5iiawah: I'm in favor of a small safety net to help individuals out and my state (PA) has a small income tax which supports those things. Consequently, I am relatively close to my local representatives who vote on these laws at the state level.


This is the "United States". Says so on the seal. This is not "the 50 separate kingdoms/countries which happen to border each other". One country, that's the deal. It's the reason why states like the one I live in pick up the tab for red states, even though some of us would rather build a wall around them "Escape From New York" style and leave them to their own fate.
Don't like it, you know what to do.

Amazing that the people who will tolerate and sometimes even welcome bigotry, intolerance, waste, sloth, fraud, incompetence, and outright criminality on the part of their local officials will lapse into fits of foaming madness if such activity is even rumoured to be occurring on the federal level.
In essence, "they're assholes, but they're our assholes!"

Local control of everything is not always desirable, especially when that local control tends to border on the stupid.
 
2012-09-18 12:16:27 AM

InmanRoshi: quizzical: What Mitt actually said is less interesting to me then how he's handling it. Mitt held a hasty presser, seemed flustered that the press wasn't going along with his explanation for events, and walked away after three questions. This is a preview of Mitt handling a national emergency. If he was this flustered by a potential hit to his poll numbers, I sure as hell don't want him leading in a situation where people could actually die.

/where's your smirk now, motherfarker?

I imagine he gathered an emergency meeting with all of his top consultants tonight, and it resembled the infamous Downfall tirade.


Make it so. Somebody, make it so.
 
2012-09-18 12:16:41 AM

o5iiawah: kapaso: I'm just goIng to address your point on SS. How did it work out when Americans were responsible for their own retirement?

You can look up the history of American seniors before SS, it's clear you don't know it.

You forgot that people who tried to save money had their assets seized by FDR right? We cant have anyone saving for their retirement, we have money to print!

And if you're comparing lifestyle, quality of life and life expectancy of 1900 to 1970, then...wow.

There was no public outcry for social security, it was simply another barbed hook that FDR stuck into society that once in would be impossible to remove since nobody will ever vote themselves a tax increase or a reduction in benefits....and that first generation didn't have to pay a penny for it.


Every law or program that has ever been passed or even written was in reaction to a problem, that goes back to the the ten commandments. SS was no
Exception. You believe in a history that did not exist and does not hold up to any amount of scrutiny. I recognize your ideas though, to bad you don't have any of your own, at least then you might be interesting.
 
2012-09-18 12:16:52 AM

mrshowrules: I have to go to bed soon. I thought the video was was epic failure but the press conference video actually is beyond that if possible


I completely agree. This press conference was just farking painful. The guy's such a off-the-charts dick he can't even see the problem with his comments, much less make a genuine apology for them or even be bothered to issue "Covered my ass" nopology. As amazing as it is to believe he'd been better off just saying nothing at all, at least tonight. Instead the morning news is going to run the audio from the fund raiser AND excerpts of him being a dick at this presser as well.

And you just farking KNOW when this was over tonight he turned to one of his aides and said, "Nailed it."
 
2012-09-18 12:18:12 AM

spongeboob: He is upset because some people don't pay income taxes, I think his point is if these free loaders paid their share he would have more money in his pocket.


Of course we don't even know if HE pays farking taxes every year, so maybe this is all just a complex exercise in self-loathing.
 
Ehh
2012-09-18 12:18:48 AM

WorldCitizen: I kinda do wish the extreme right, Social Darwinian, theocratic types could carve just one state off of the Union to completely run as their own for about 25 to 30 years. Mass migration of right wing ideological types there so as to tip the balance just enough in the remaining United States to be more progressive. I would like to see some pure, "fark you, I got mine", anti-science, no one deserves health care, our laws should be based on the Bible (ignoring all that love thy neighbor and help the poor bullshiat), anti-gay, creationist educational system government run for over a generation. Then at the end of the 25 or 30 years let that one independent country, former state, vote on whether or not to rejoin the rest of the union and the rest of the nation vote on whether it should be able to rejoin (IF it decides to come crawling back to the First World).

I'm guessing by the end of that 25 to 30 years it would look something pretty damn close to a theocratic, developing world hellhole. Oh, like any good hellhole, there would be a very elite class of super rich. And they would be pissing all over, er, I mean, trickling down all over, the rest (vast majority) of that fun little nation. Maybe it would be enough to end this nonsense once and for all, and we could rejoin the rest of the developed democracies in sanity.


Great idea. Hard to implement.
 
2012-09-18 12:18:51 AM

o5iiawah: that they pay a tax when they buy a 6-er of beer.


Part of that price of that 6 pack is a federal tax...

spongeboob: I could be wrong but wasn't social security started to address people who would have been starving without?


yes it was
 
2012-09-18 12:18:54 AM

themeaningoflifeisnot: No shiat, Sherlock. But it does inform us as to the intent of our Founders. Read any history of their early struggles in trying to come up with a workable central government plan and you'll see that they never envisioned simply an eat what you kill society.


to be blessed with liberty is to be absent of coercion. The founders envisioned a society where people could prosper as they wanted, practice religion as they wanted and in the aggregate, everyone would be better off. The unfortunate would be better off in a free society versus a control society as would the worker or the farmer.

If you can cite me a federalist paper or document which alleges that our founders intended for a central government whose primary responsibility was provision and security not from invasion or injustice but from want, I'd be happy to answer it.

Ours is a society founded on liberty. That includes stuff you like and some stuff you might not like. Still, i challenge people on the narrative that without a central authority, society would collapse and people would starve. There's plenty of examples in our history of the generosity of one group to another as the reason for a community's survival - not the existence of a state or federal program that kept someone from starving.

You're pushing a narrative that doesn't exist.
 
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