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2012-09-17 08:07:29 PM  
On the upside he sounded much more lifelike.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-17 08:07:49 PM  

Apples01: This is currently the lead story on Anderson Cooper 360


Hardball did a new segment for their 7pm rerun.
 
2012-09-17 08:08:01 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: So nearly half of all Americans rely on the government and won't take responsibility for their lives? And people only vote for Obama because they want free handouts?And we're still spreading the meme that nearly half the country doesn't pay income taxes?

What the farking fark, republicans?


Relax Charlie, I've got an angle.

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2012-09-17 08:08:13 PM  

AnEvilGuest: It's one thing for propaganda parrots to squawk this grotesque horseshiat about how everyone struggling to get by are goddamn parasites, but to have an actual candidate call 47% of americans parasites is obscene.

That someone could be that viciously, smugly, arrogantly oblivious to the struggles of people who work at the kind of shiate jobs that I thank god I don't have to work at, disgusts me.

If you think the problem with America is minimum wage earners not paying enough income tax to go with their payroll, sales etc taxes, while Mitt Romney pays too much income tax than you disgust me as well.


THIS THIS THIS.

If I was Obama admin I would be bringing out cancer victims, retirees, US vets and say screw you Romney we are going to protect these people and we are not victims!
 
2012-09-17 08:09:22 PM  
Wait wait wait.. there are people that need food, healthcare and housing and can't afford it? !

Fark you! That's only for people that have money. These "entitled" people need to starve and die.
 
2012-09-17 08:09:32 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: So nearly half of all Americans rely on the government and won't take responsibility for their lives? And people only vote for Obama because they want free handouts?And we're still spreading the meme that nearly half the country doesn't pay income taxes?

What the farking fark, republicans?


They are running out of gas and the uphill (debates) is coming up fast. Something something throwing anything that will stick.
 
2012-09-17 08:10:00 PM  
They are "dependent on government" and "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing,"

Is he saying that he will keep Health care, food and housing away from the people of the United States?

Good luck with that plan.
 
2012-09-17 08:10:51 PM  
One of the problems with Mitt is that he really believes that he pulled himself up by the bootstraps and wouldn't it be great if we returned America to those days. He's the type of guy who will deny benefits to the sick, the poor, the disabled--all as part of some grand moralistic social experiment that could only appeal to the casual rich.
 
2012-09-17 08:11:29 PM  
www.historyguy.com

Some people's government handouts are better than others.
 
2012-09-17 08:11:36 PM  

Nabb1: vartian: Dancin_In_Anson: they are "dependent on government" and "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing,"

Is this an inaccurate statement?

No. I believe peopled are entitled to those things. It is farking ludicrous to even entertain the thought that 47% of the country agrees with me.

No, they aren't. You're not entitled to anything else from anyone else. Providing for those who cannot provide for themselves is charity, and there's nothing wrong with helping people. But no one has a right to demand the government provide them anything. "A government that has the power to give you something has the power to take it away." - Thomas Jefferson. If you can provide yourself with the necessities in life, you have no right to demand others do so for you.


We've seen what happen when the government provides nothing for their citizens (Somalia) and when they provide too much for their citizens (Iraq right before the second US war).

Can we agree that a prudent government should aim for something in the middle? Provide enough to keep us from killing each other to feed our families, but not so much that we become lazy slobs with no initiative.
 
2012-09-17 08:12:07 PM  
This was probably the worst possible headline for something like this. I wish there were a more real headline and we'd have a massive thread where more people can farking watch this or at least read the transcript of this video. It's absolutely disgusting, sickening shiat.
 
2012-09-17 08:12:17 PM  
Holy shiat this is now the Google "Top Story" which means everyone is clicking it.
 
2012-09-17 08:12:23 PM  
Oh, and Romney doesn't believe he was born into privlege:

"I have inherited nothing." He remarked, "There is a perception, 'Oh, we were born with a silver spoon, he never had to earn anything and so forth.' Frankly, I was born with a silver spoon, which is the greatest gift you can have: which is to get born in America."
 
2012-09-17 08:12:55 PM  

Triumph: [www.historyguy.com image 500x333]

Some people's government handouts are better than others.


They got rich the Republican way, being born into it or marry it so it's ok.
 
2012-09-17 08:13:05 PM  
 
2012-09-17 08:13:36 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Oh, and Romney doesn't believe he was born into privlege:

"I have inherited nothing." He remarked, "There is a perception, 'Oh, we were born with a silver spoon, he never had to earn anything and so forth.' Frankly, I was born with a silver spoon, which is the greatest gift you can have: which is to get born in America."


Right he was GIFTED stock and house but he didn't "inherit" it. So that makes it ok.
 
2012-09-17 08:13:42 PM  

peasandcarrots: I want to ask DIA what it would take for me to be entitled to food, shelter, and safety. At what point do you think I've put in enough of a stake in society for that to be my due? Does it involve a tax bracket, or a certain number of hours worked, or a level of commitment to a conservative cause? At what point am I actually entitled to my entitlements?


You're talking to a guy who thinks that active duty military aren't entitled to food, shelter, or medical care.
 
2012-09-17 08:14:09 PM  

beakerxf: when they provide too much for their citizens (Iraq right before the second US war)


Well, that's a new one. Usually people bring up England or Sweden or maybe even Communist Russia when making that example. I never would have picked pre-war Iraq as the example of Socialism gone too far
 
2012-09-17 08:14:21 PM  
CLASS WARFARE.
 
2012-09-17 08:15:19 PM  

RexTalionis: GhostFish: RexTalionis: Look, I don't like defending Romney, but I don't really see the big deal about this. He's a candidate running an election with an extremely polarised populace. Of course he's going to denigrate the voters of the other side.

You really think that the Obama campaign doesn't think that a good portion of Romney's base is a bunch of racist whackjobs, either?

This would be like Obama coming out and saying that everyone voting against him is a racist whackjob.

Okay, Obama knows better than saying that, even in private. But you can't tell me that a good number of liberals aren't thinking that exact thought.


Oh, I've been thinking it AND saying it here since at least 2010.

And yet people still deride the left as tolerant. I don't know how I've failed them so.
 
2012-09-17 08:16:03 PM  
I, namegoeshere, feel that I am entitled to affordable healthcare for myself and my family. I feel as a human being, that I should not have to go bankrupt because of a serious accident or illness. I should not have to choose between my retirement, my children's education, and death. Yes, you farking douchebag, I am entitled to that.
 
2012-09-17 08:17:41 PM  
So these are all those voters in the states that take more federal taxes and they give back, like Mississippi, Alabama and Texas?

Then of course, there are the folks that give more in federal taxes then they take back. State like New York and Connecticut.

So who is exactly is voting for Obama?
 
2012-09-17 08:18:35 PM  

Zoophagous: Funny thing is the vast majority of people I know who are voting Romney are actually dependent on the government.

/the olds
//well older than me


My (future) in-laws. Retired military with some niiiice federal benefits. Plus their daughter and her kids are on welfare and all that since she can't hold down a job (I certainly don't begrudge her kids getting benefits, not their fault their mom's an idiot). All of them are hardcore Teabaggin' birthers. Their son and I are quietly liberal since they'd probably disown us if they knew how we really feel. Yet if all government "entitlements" suddenly went away, they're the ones who'd be up shiat creek while we'd be doing just fine.
 
2012-09-17 08:18:58 PM  
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2012-09-17 08:19:43 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: they are "dependent on government" and "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing,"

Is this an inaccurate statement?


No, I absolutely agree with it. I believe that america, the richest country in the world, can afford to provide food, housing, and health care to all citizens.

Mitt also knows we can easily afford it, but he has some sort of mental illness that demands that he grab as much as possible for himself.
 
2012-09-17 08:19:50 PM  

vartian: Nabb1:

No, they aren't. You're not entitled to anything else from anyone else. Providing for those who cannot provide for themselves is charity, and there's nothing wrong with helping people. But no one has a right to demand the government provide them anything. "A government that has the power to give you something has the power to take it away." - Thomas Jefferson. If you can provide yourself with the necessities in life, you have no right to demand others do so for you.

Look, make the "we're all in this alone" argument with me until you pass out, it will never farking sell with me. We are beholden to each other as a country and should provide a basic level of existence and support to our fellow citizens. Period.

You want me to value money over humanity, a proposition that would be humorous if it wasn't so damn sad.


Ah... What a succinctly satisfying biatch-slap. Let me just grab a cigarette and enjoy the hell of this one.
 
2012-09-17 08:19:56 PM  
My boyfriend and I are part of the 47% that will be voting for Obama again this year (though I believe more than 47% of the electorate will be voting for him), and neither one of us are on welfare, take any other kind of government benefits, or are layabouts.

RexTalionis: GhostFish: RexTalionis: Look, I don't like defending Romney, but I don't really see the big deal about this. He's a candidate running an election with an extremely polarised populace. Of course he's going to denigrate the voters of the other side.

You really think that the Obama campaign doesn't think that a good portion of Romney's base is a bunch of racist whackjobs, either?

This would be like Obama coming out and saying that everyone voting against him is a racist whackjob.

Okay, Obama knows better than saying that, even in private. But you can't tell me that a good number of liberals aren't thinking that exact thought.


I can tell you that. I absolutely refuse to believe there is even a negligible amount of liberals who think that anyone voting for Romney is a racist whackjob. Now, I happen to know of several people who are racist whackjobs, and they're voting for Romney, but how retarded would I have to be to extrapolate that to the entire Republican electorate? I think most liberals, if not nearly all, are smart enough to differentiate between the racist farktards and the regular GOP farktards.
 
2012-09-17 08:21:27 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: they are "dependent on government" and "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing,"

Is this an inaccurate statement?


Just asking questions, amirite??
 
2012-09-17 08:21:43 PM  

GAT_00: Is this where we pretend 'people who live off the government' only means minorities on food stamps and doesn't include the 40 million people on Social Security and Medicare, many of whom survive solely on those programs and vote Republican, or the defense contractors and the thousands who work for them who wouldn't have jobs without massive government funding, who also vote Republican?


This is the big, big question.

If Obama's people can convince Mr. and Mrs. AARP that he's very much talking about them (and there's no way to get anywhere near that 47% number without talking very clearly about them), then the election should be a bloodbath. On the other hand, though, there's no demographic whose allegiances are more well-cemented (not entirely one way or the other, but individually cemented) than the over-65 voters.
 
2012-09-17 08:21:46 PM  
Hey, guess what Mitt, some of those 47% of Americans who pay no income taxes? Those people you say think "they are victims" and "can't live without the govt.?" Well, uh, guess what?

Some of them regularly vote Republican.

That's right, not every Republican voter is rich enough to pay income taxes. Yes, they pay other taxes, like SSI, sales taxes, property taxes. But not every Republican also pays income taxes. You just said those people are pretty much worthless, so, great job.

But, hey, if anyone on this thread actually thinks this is a GOOD thing for Mitt to say, I'm sure you will contact the Romney campaign and tell him to run ads with him saying the exact same thing with a better camera. No one thinks what Romney said was smart. It's what you expect to hear from a radio shock jock, not a major political party candidate. So, again, great job Romney, you twit.
 
2012-09-17 08:23:02 PM  
And the scary thing is that Mitt was just saying exactly what his base wants him to say. There are millions of Republicans out there who would like nothing more than to see the end of welfare, Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, without even a thought of opening their own wallets to help anyone.
 
2012-09-17 08:23:42 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Oh, and Romney doesn't believe he was born into privlege:

"I have inherited nothing." He remarked, "There is a perception, 'Oh, we were born with a silver spoon, he never had to earn anything and so forth.' Frankly, I was born with a silver spoon, which is the greatest gift you can have: which is to get born in America."


In 1994 I first heard about Mitt Romney, I was at an AMC car show and George Romney was speaking and he gave his little speech that included how his son was running for office and that we should give money to his campaign to improve America. Funny that for such a selfmade man he needed help from his dad to start and finance his political career.
 
2012-09-17 08:24:08 PM  
All this from a guy who would rather eat tuna fish off an ironing board than get a job or have his wife get a job.
 
2012-09-17 08:25:28 PM  
The number could be well higher than 47% given the massive deficits we run (and would run even if the defense budget was zero), but that would prove awkward for Mitt as well as Obama.

If you want to simply compare what we pay in federal taxes to what we get back in federal transfers alone, the bottom three quintiles come out ahead.

If you want to compare what we pay in taxes to all the spending, what P.J. O'Rourke found 20 years ago in "Parliament of Whores" is going to be even truer now considering how far in hock we are...

...that 95% of us are moochers.
 
2012-09-17 08:25:53 PM  
i'm pretty sure he was just quoting the Bible.
 
2012-09-17 08:26:29 PM  

"All right -- there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government,
who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them.
Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."


This is what Republicans actually believe

 
2012-09-17 08:26:49 PM  
So the son of a CEO and Governor called half the country moochers? This really distills the problem down to his essence, doesn't it?
 
2012-09-17 08:27:07 PM  

RyogaM: That's right, not every Republican voter is rich enough to pay income taxes. Yes, they pay other taxes, like SSI, sales taxes, property taxes. But not every Republican also pays income taxes. You just said those people are pretty much worthless, so, great job.


Those Republican voters don't think they're part of the 47% that pays no income tax, even if they don't actually pay any income tax. They think they EARNED their disability check, and whatever money they get from Uncle Sam every month is money they're rightfully owed. They know in their souls that the 47% is liberal down to the last Mexican albino, retarded lesbian transgender who was given $800,000 to major in Ancient Greek Gender Studies, Basket Weaving, and Communist Philosophy. Rush told them so.
 
2012-09-17 08:27:13 PM  
I'm dependent on government and happily so. I like it when people get food stamps, because it means they're less likely to steal crap out of my carport.

But seriously. Why is it always us vs. them when it comes to GOP-ers' view of government?? It's not like we import an alien species from another planet to run the DMV office, the probate judge's office and the police department and oversee the construction of dams and bridges. They're people just like me.

If anything, an "alien species" runs our banks and insurance companies, because they answer to dollars and shareholders, not to the people they're serving.
 
2012-09-17 08:27:17 PM  

Nabb1: vartian: Dancin_In_Anson: they are "dependent on government" and "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing,"

Is this an inaccurate statement?

No. I believe peopled are entitled to those things. It is farking ludicrous to even entertain the thought that 47% of the country agrees with me.

No, they aren't. You're not entitled to anything else from anyone else. Providing for those who cannot provide for themselves is charity, and there's nothing wrong with helping people. But no one has a right to demand the government provide them anything. "A government that has the power to give you something has the power to take it away." - Thomas Jefferson. If you can provide yourself with the necessities in life, you have no right to demand others do so for you.


You are quite wrong. You are entitled to at least a few things from EVERYONE:
1. To be left alone by them to live your life as you choose
2. To be treated by them as they would treat anyone else, and as they would like to be treated.

Those aren't material things, of course, which is what you were talking about.

I also think you mis-understand the nature of safety nets. Do you think the elderly got together and demanded Social Security? Do you thing the poor got together and demanded welfare? That's not how it worked. The people of the country saw great wrongs -- elderly people who had worked all their lives being swindled out of their savings and falling into abysmal poverty. Children whose only mistake was to be born into the wrong family not having any chance to live up to their potential. People dying of easily treatable conditions because they had no access to medical care. Those things prompted people to try to do something about it on a large scale, and felt that the government was the best last line of defense.

Of course, once a government program is created to help people, it's absolutely reasonable that the people who qualify for it demand that they get it when they need it. Is there something wrong with that? Should they just sit quietly and hope that the someone notices they need help?
 
2012-09-17 08:27:31 PM  

spongeboob: shower_in_my_socks: Oh, and Romney doesn't believe he was born into privlege:

"I have inherited nothing." He remarked, "There is a perception, 'Oh, we were born with a silver spoon, he never had to earn anything and so forth.' Frankly, I was born with a silver spoon, which is the greatest gift you can have: which is to get born in America."

In 1994 I first heard about Mitt Romney, I was at an AMC car show and George Romney was speaking and he gave his little speech that included how his son was running for office and that we should give money to his campaign to improve America. Funny that for such a selfmade man he needed help from his dad to start and finance his political career.



Also a blatant LIE in light of the well-publicized anecdote from Ann about how they got through their early married live by selling of stock that Mitt's father bought for him. That only counts as "no inheritance" in the strictest definition of the term, as George was still alive at the time.
 
2012-09-17 08:27:34 PM  

WTF Indeed: mrshowrules: I'm saying Obama now even has a shot at Texas. I'm talking the whole video not just the 47% crack. It makes Republicans stay home, it energizes Obama's base and quite possibly allows the DNC to hold on to the Senate which is very tight. Wait until the seniors clue in to what Romney just said. wait until Romney makes things much worse but playing the victim on this tomorrow. Wait until Obama uses it to ask for Romney's tax returns again. This will be the gift that keeps on giving.

You think I'm being stupid. Will see

There are two things most people who talk politics like you lack, scope and context. Those are two things you are a missing here.


assets.sbnation.com
 
2012-09-17 08:28:13 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: Speaking of sounding like an idiot, the assertion that you made in the first part of your statement is micro economics.

Also if you took an accredited course in micro economics you would know that taxes are not fully passed on to the customer and typically shared between producer and consumer. The other two of your absolutes are not. Corporate taxes are do not effect hiring as employees are an expense and drive down profits therefore owed taxes. If you fire some one because of increased taxes you increase your taxable earnings. that is just poor management.


Makes perfect sense if controllers of capital are mobster-extortionists. Gee, what a fine economy you have there. It sure would be a shame if taxes got raised, some folks could not make high enough returns. Yup, a damn shame, someone may just get hurt.
 
2012-09-17 08:28:27 PM  

Corvus: Holy shiat this is now the Google "Top Story" which means everyone is clicking it.


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2012-09-17 08:28:30 PM  
The funniest part is that if he were right--if this "47%" of the country who pay no federal income tax voted exclusively for Obama--Romney would lose in a landslide of historic proportions. And now here he is insulting their character and telling them to go fark themselves--doing his damnedest to make his bullshiat come true. I think that's great.

/never mind that it is an absurd and vicious lie to suggest that anyone who doesn't pay federal income taxes is, essentially, a leech
 
2012-09-17 08:28:45 PM  

Lawnchair: GAT_00: Is this where we pretend 'people who live off the government' only means minorities on food stamps and doesn't include the 40 million people on Social Security and Medicare, many of whom survive solely on those programs and vote Republican, or the defense contractors and the thousands who work for them who wouldn't have jobs without massive government funding, who also vote Republican?

This is the big, big question.

If Obama's people can convince Mr. and Mrs. AARP that he's very much talking about them (and there's no way to get anywhere near that 47% number without talking very clearly about them), then the election should be a bloodbath. On the other hand, though, there's no demographic whose allegiances are more well-cemented (not entirely one way or the other, but individually cemented) than the over-65 voters.


Yeah, you're talking about my father. A Teabagger, who, ten years ago, at 61, had a major stroke which left him half paralyzed. He ran thru his $1 million lifetime limit insurance then had to go on disability and medicare. He and his wife pay zero federal income taxes, yet supported every dumbass thing that ran up the deficits under Bush. I and my wife, with our three kids, pay federal income taxes and both parts of SSI/Medicare because we are self-employed. We will never vote for a Republican because they have lost their petty little minds.
 
2012-09-17 08:28:55 PM  

Gyrfalcon: mrshowrules: Dancin_In_Anson: they are "dependent on government" and "believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing,"

Is this an inaccurate statement?

Yes it is. He said 47%. 47% might want access to affordable health care insurance and employment. The number of people as a percentage that want a free ride, would in theory be at least less than the unemployment rate or do you assume all people who can't find work are lazy?

You know DIA does in fact believe that anyone who is on any form of government relief is a lazy leech who has no desire to do anything but lay around and be waited on. You know, all those people on unemployment who need to get out there and find a job that doesn't exist so they can get off the government tit.


I should know this but I just can't help myself most of the time.
 
2012-09-17 08:29:22 PM  
it had been a day since a Romney fark up. Good to see him keeping pace.
 
2012-09-17 08:29:35 PM  
I am going to leave this here (Warning: citations and math ahead):

- 8.2% of unemployment payments are attributed to technical overpayment, but only 1.9% of unemployment welfare is due to fraud. So, ~90% of unemployment welfare is legitimate by current rules of eligibility.
Link

- Less than 25% of the entire federal budget goes to DHHS, the department that controls TANF (the program that funds poor families). Less than 2% of the DHHS budget goes to TANF. Mathematically, that means only 0.5% of the entire federal budget goes to fund low income families this way. Hardly the money sink the GOP is making it out to be. Furthermore, TANF is capped (lifetime) at 5 years, and 90% of recipients have fewer than 3 children.
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It is easy to blame the poor, to say they deserve it, to say they don't want to work, that they are lazy. Of course this is true for some, but not for all. It is easy to blame them because to accept otherwise is to admit that it could happen to you, and no one wants to believe that they could be burdened with misfortune despite good intentions and hard work and effort. But they not our enemies, they are friends, family members, coworkers, people like us.

The job market needs to be fixed. The ever widening income/class gap needs to be fixed. Without direct acknowledgment and plans for these remedies, the GOP won't solve any problems.
 
2012-09-17 08:30:22 PM  
Wonder if any of that 47% is clinging to God and guns while feeling entitled.
 
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