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2012-09-17 10:43:23 PM

skullkrusher: dumbobruni: skullkrusher: dumbobruni: every American with a mortgage gets subsidized by the federal government. and every American with a kid gets subsidized as well.

first part true, second part false

wealthy families don't benefit from 529 savings plans or public schools?

whoa. We went from "every American with a kid" to "every American with a kid in a 529 plan?" I would imagine many wealth people are net payers into the public schooling portion of the Federal budget so to say they get a subsidy there doesn't make much sense.


the argument for your "false" statement would be wealthier americans are not eligible for child tax credits

but they do remain eligible for 529s

and "I would imagine" = "I have no farking clue"
 
2012-09-17 10:44:17 PM

o5iiawah: Government cant "Give" food, healthcare, education or housing without taking the equivalent resources from someone else.


What equivalent resources is government taking in terms of education?
 
2012-09-17 10:44:46 PM

vegasj: ferretman: And whose fault is that? It's Congresses and the Presidents. President Obama has not even mentioned these multi-million/billion corporations. Just wants to raise taxes on those making $150,000.00+ (combined). Real small businesses that do not pay minimum wage but actual salaries will be effected. A company needs to make ~$100K per employee that makes ~$50K + benefits. Increasing their taxes do not allow these small business grow.

Dude, shhhhh... don't hit Obama-lovers with facts, facts scare them into name calling and stuff.


Cute, and original.

You do know that taxes aren't collected on deductible expenses, yes?

and that employee salaries and benefits are tax deductible?

and that businesses don't hire based on profits, but rather on current or anticipated demand for their product?

So if revenues increase, and a business hires more staff to meet demand, they won't be taxed on the expenses for these new employees...

Please tell me, why would a slight tax increase prevent a business from hiring?
 
2012-09-17 10:45:14 PM

Mrtraveler01: o5iiawah: Government cant "Give" food, healthcare, education or housing without taking the equivalent resources from someone else.

What equivalent resources is government taking in terms of education?


tax dollars.
 
2012-09-17 10:45:23 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: The best thing Romney could do for his party right now is schedule foreign trips for the next 6 weeks.



Except that the last time he took a foreign trip, he pissed off ever single person in the UK. Dude could ship himself to Mars, and still have to do damage control after insulting the rocks.
 
2012-09-17 10:45:44 PM
And we still have about 2.5 weeks until the first presidential debate.
 
2012-09-17 10:45:47 PM

TV's Vinnie: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 425x618]


That post is a thing of deep & enduring beauty.
 
2012-09-17 10:46:07 PM

impaler: o5iiawah: Government cant "Give" food, healthcare, education or housing without taking the equivalent resources from someone else

What if the education government provides produces enough qualified workers so companies can have enough workers to make a profit?

If you think the US is comparable to the USSR, you're a farking retard.


and the US Federal government wouldn't have to take resources from others if the bootstrappy parts of the country actually carried their own weight (except for Texas, that's the ONE bootstrappy state that isn't a drag on the Federal budget)
 
2012-09-17 10:46:35 PM

bgilmore5: Move your corporation to Somalia. Let's see just how successful it can be without roads, telecommunications, security, etc.


There are roads and bridges in South Korea, Singapore, Canada and Eastern Europe. Get off the Somalia argument. It isn't really a point to begin with.

A CEO nowadays can run a company (located in Singapore) from his Manhattan apartment (charged to the company) with a primary residence in St. Kitts. Tax the hell out of people, call them greedy assholes and that they owe their lives to government because we have roads and bridges. Watch what happens.
 
2012-09-17 10:46:36 PM

themeaningoflifeisnot: The best thing Romney could do for his party right now is schedule foreign trips for the next 6 weeks. Let the rank and file GOPers campaign without his interference.


have you seen gaffey duck on foreign soil? do you want to lose every ally america has?
 
2012-09-17 10:48:17 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Go f*ck yourself, Mitt

/seriously, FOAD


MANY this's.
 
2012-09-17 10:48:18 PM

TV's Vinnie: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 425x618]


the duchess is a lot of fun.
 
2012-09-17 10:49:38 PM

serpent_sky: skullkrusher: you didn't answer her question, Mitt.

There is nobody on earth who is going to buy this anymore. He's melting down.

Also, the lighting on his makes him look evil, sweaty, and panicked. Or maybe I just realized he is nothing but evil.


i100.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-17 10:50:01 PM

dumbobruni: the argument for your "false" statement would be wealthier americans are not eligible for child tax credits


what you said was "every American with a kid gets subsidized". Tell me, is "being eligible" for subsidies the same as "gets" a subsidy? See, my argument for my "false" statement is "what you said is false".

dumbobruni: but they do remain eligible for 529s


yes, still not the same as "gets".

dumbobruni: and "I would imagine" = "I have no farking clue"


no, I have a pretty good clue, actually. See, that's how taxes work. If everyone just paid for the services they received, it wouldn't be taxes. That's how poorer kids get to go to public school - someone else picks up the slack that their parents cannot.
 
2012-09-17 10:50:43 PM

o5iiawah: bgilmore5: Move your corporation to Somalia. Let's see just how successful it can be without roads, telecommunications, security, etc.

There are roads and bridges in South Korea, Singapore, Canada and Eastern Europe. Get off the Somalia argument. It isn't really a point to begin with.

A CEO nowadays can run a company (located in Singapore) from his Manhattan apartment (charged to the company) with a primary residence in St. Kitts. Tax the hell out of people, call them greedy assholes and that they owe their lives to government because we have roads and bridges. Watch what happens.


People will eat and have shelter and medicine?

Go fark yourself, you POS.
 
2012-09-17 10:50:53 PM
Hey, at least he's honest in proclaiming that he wouldn't work so much as president for half of Americans.

He's certainly honest about giving me and my foreign partner the finger.
 
2012-09-17 10:50:59 PM

o5iiawah: Tax the hell out of people, call them greedy assholes and that they owe their lives to government because we have roads and bridges. Watch what happens.



Well, every other time we've done it it's led to an economic boom. Or is low taxes for rich people and corporations the only thing THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!!1! has going for it?
 
2012-09-17 10:51:14 PM

Mrtraveler01: o5iiawah: Government cant "Give" food, healthcare, education or housing without taking the equivalent resources from someone else.

What equivalent resources is government taking in terms of education?


the cost of providing that education
 
2012-09-17 10:52:13 PM

o5iiawah: bgilmore5: Move your corporation to Somalia. Let's see just how successful it can be without roads, telecommunications, security, etc.

There are roads and bridges in South Korea, Singapore, Canada and Eastern Europe. Get off the Somalia argument. It isn't really a point to begin with.

A CEO nowadays can run a company (located in Singapore) from his Manhattan apartment (charged to the company) with a primary residence in St. Kitts. Tax the hell out of people, call them greedy assholes and that they owe their lives to government because we have roads and bridges. Watch what happens.


What the hell are you saying? Are you drunk or is english not your first language?

The reason people bring up Somalia is because there is no government ie Libertarian wet dream. I don't think anyone has ever excused South Korea, Singapore, Canada or Eastern Europe of not having governments. So what is your point?
 
2012-09-17 10:52:49 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: RyogaM: That's right, not every Republican voter is rich enough to pay income taxes. Yes, they pay other taxes, like SSI, sales taxes, property taxes. But not every Republican also pays income taxes. You just said those people are pretty much worthless, so, great job.

Those Republican voters don't think they're part of the 47% that pays no income tax, even if they don't actually pay any income tax. They think they EARNED their disability check, and whatever money they get from Uncle Sam every month is money they're rightfully owed. They know in their souls that the 47% is liberal down to the last Mexican albino, retarded lesbian transgender who was given $800,000 to major in Ancient Greek Gender Studies, Basket Weaving, and Communist Philosophy. Rush told them so.


Dickinson: But don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor. And that is why they will follow us
All [singing]: TO THE RIGHT! EVER TO THE RIGHT! NEVER TO THE LEFT! FOREVER TO THE RIGHT!
 
2012-09-17 10:56:09 PM

o5iiawah: bgilmore5: Move your corporation to Somalia. Let's see just how successful it can be without roads, telecommunications, security, etc.

There are roads and bridges in South Korea, Singapore, Canada and Eastern Europe. Get off the Somalia argument. It isn't really a point to begin with.

A CEO nowadays can run a company (located in Singapore) from his Manhattan apartment (charged to the company) with a primary residence in St. Kitts. Tax the hell out of people, call them greedy assholes and that they owe their lives to government because we have roads and bridges. Watch what happens.

We've already seen what happens ... huge increases in GDP.

dailydish.typepad.com
 
2012-09-17 10:56:21 PM

Gyrfalcon: Dickinson: But don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor. And that is why they will follow us You'll take my life but I'll take yours too
You'll fire your musket but I'll run you through
So when you're waiting for the next attack
You'd better stand there's no turning back

The bugle sounds as the charge begins
But on this battlefield no one wins
The smell of acrid smoke and horses breath
As you plunge into a certain death

All [singing]: TO THE RIGHT! EVER TO THE RIGHT! NEVER TO THE LEFT! FOREVER TO THE RIGHT! Whoa ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho

 
2012-09-17 10:56:32 PM

Gyrfalcon: Sergeant Grumbles: RyogaM: That's right, not every Republican voter is rich enough to pay income taxes. Yes, they pay other taxes, like SSI, sales taxes, property taxes. But not every Republican also pays income taxes. You just said those people are pretty much worthless, so, great job.

Those Republican voters don't think they're part of the 47% that pays no income tax, even if they don't actually pay any income tax. They think they EARNED their disability check, and whatever money they get from Uncle Sam every month is money they're rightfully owed. They know in their souls that the 47% is liberal down to the last Mexican albino, retarded lesbian transgender who was given $800,000 to major in Ancient Greek Gender Studies, Basket Weaving, and Communist Philosophy. Rush told them so.

Dickinson: But don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor. And that is why they will follow us
All [singing]: TO THE RIGHT! EVER TO THE RIGHT! NEVER TO THE LEFT! FOREVER TO THE RIGHT!


Cool, considerate men.
 
2012-09-17 10:57:46 PM
I don't have a large ignore list, but there's more than a few on it. My post count is only off by two. And that's because of a new addition.

/just happened to notice
//thought I'd share
///carry on
 
2012-09-17 10:57:47 PM

shower_in_my_socks: themeaningoflifeisnot: The best thing Romney could do for his party right now is schedule foreign trips for the next 6 weeks.


Except that the last time he took a foreign trip, he pissed off ever single person in the UK. Dude could ship himself to Mars, and still have to do damage control after insulting the rocks.


Mars. No place to raise a kid. Cold as hell.
 
2012-09-17 10:58:39 PM

impaler: What if the education government provides produces enough qualified workers so companies can have enough workers to make a profit?

If you think the US is comparable to the USSR, you're a farking retard.


Education is a function of state and local governments who know best what the needs of their community are. We have a federal government to protect our rights, operate fair courts, maintain a military and protect patents along with a few other things. Deciding how a community of kids should be educated is up to the parents and school board to decide how it is best done. A public school isn't socialism. if it is run and funded locally with input from parents who hold administrators accountable, that is about the smartest and best form of government you can have.

Keep it close to you.
You need an aircraft carrier? We have the Feds for that
You need a road? Talk to your state
You want to know what your brat is doing in the classroom? Talk to your local school board.

I never compared the US to the USSR. You might try reading before you post.

dumbobruni: and the US Federal government wouldn't have to take resources from others if the bootstrappy parts of the country actually carried their own weight (except for Texas, that's the ONE bootstrappy state that isn't a drag on the Federal budget)


I'm all for it. There's no reason to tax individuals out of their take-home paychecks, send the money to the feds, then have US reps lobby for it to go back to the states, then have county executives and state reps lobby for the money to go back to the districts just to build a section of sidewalk in the town park for a "public works project"
 
2012-09-17 10:59:03 PM

o5iiawah: bgilmore5: Move your corporation to Somalia. Let's see just how successful it can be without roads, telecommunications, security, etc.

There are roads and bridges in South Korea, Singapore, Canada and Eastern Europe. Get off the Somalia argument. It isn't really a point to begin with.

A CEO nowadays can run a company (located in Singapore) from his Manhattan apartment (charged to the company) with a primary residence in St. Kitts. Tax the hell out of people, call them greedy assholes and that they owe their lives to government because we have roads and bridges. Watch what happens.


they will do it regardless of the tax rate and political environment.

Singapore, cited by many advocates of low tax rates and business friendly policies, has a significant asset offshoring problem of its own. $170 billion in assets hid offshore, or about 70% of GDP

Link
 
2012-09-17 10:59:16 PM

skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: o5iiawah: Government cant "Give" food, healthcare, education or housing without taking the equivalent resources from someone else.

What equivalent resources is government taking in terms of education?

the cost of providing that education


Ah, well I think a well educated populace is worth that cost.
 
2012-09-17 10:59:42 PM
pbs.twimg.com
 
2012-09-17 10:59:47 PM
OK, maybe I'm missing something really obvious, but the unemployment rate -- while higher than desired -- is nowhere near 47%.

Who are all these "moochers" supposed to be?
 
2012-09-17 11:00:09 PM

InmanRoshi: o5iiawah: bgilmore5: Move your corporation to Somalia. Let's see just how successful it can be without roads, telecommunications, security, etc.

There are roads and bridges in South Korea, Singapore, Canada and Eastern Europe. Get off the Somalia argument. It isn't really a point to begin with.

A CEO nowadays can run a company (located in Singapore) from his Manhattan apartment (charged to the company) with a primary residence in St. Kitts. Tax the hell out of people, call them greedy assholes and that they owe their lives to government because we have roads and bridges. Watch what happens.
We've already seen what happens ... huge increases in GDP.

[dailydish.typepad.com image 520x713]


uhhhh, you have a source for that? I am having a hard time believing that was actually in the NYT
 
2012-09-17 11:00:46 PM

o5iiawah: A public school isn't socialism. if it is run and funded locally with input from parents who hold administrators accountable, that is about the smartest and best form of government you can have.


www.lolwut.com
 
2012-09-17 11:00:49 PM

mainstreet62: People will eat and have shelter and medicine?

Go fark yourself, you POS.


We arent a society where a minority provide and the majority receive. Go fark yourself if you think you're entitled to someone else's property simply because you exist.

In the absence of a crime, When did one person incur a debt to take care of another?
 
2012-09-17 11:01:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: o5iiawah: Government cant "Give" food, healthcare, education or housing without taking the equivalent resources from someone else.

What equivalent resources is government taking in terms of education?

the cost of providing that education

Ah, well I think a well educated populace is worth that cost.


sure, doesn't change the truth of what he said. It is a cost we believe, as society, that is good to bear. Great. It still comes from somewhere else
 
2012-09-17 11:01:54 PM
Breaking news: Mittens is already disavowing his remarks about the voters:

1. ROMNEY: I SPOKE TOO HASTILY

GOP candidate says a video clip in which he called nearly half of Americans "victims" was "not elegantly stated" and was "spoken off the cuff."


Source: Link
 
2012-09-17 11:01:55 PM

o5iiawah: Education is a function of state and local governments who know best what the needs of their community are.


Given how badly some schools are run they don't know what the needs of their communities are.
 
2012-09-17 11:02:06 PM
I just KNEW this Mittacular fu(k-up would make a tasty, tasty thread.

Not a good way to endear yourself to da votahs, Mitt... especially when so many of those people on welfare and food stamps and student loans and pell grants and SSI and other assistance are (or were, if they have any sense at all) republicans. I know you were talking with a bunch of your richy-rich-rich buddies and all and didn't think what you said would leave that room, but even with the bad recording the condescension was thick enough to cut with a bejeweled dagger.

If I were a working-class republican, I'd be pissed.
If I were a used-to-be-working-class-but-laid-off republican I'd be even pissed-er.

47% of the citizens of this country. I can smell the smoke from here.
 
2012-09-17 11:02:23 PM

o5iiawah: bgilmore5: Move your corporation to Somalia. Let's see just how successful it can be without roads, telecommunications, security, etc.

There are roads and bridges in South Korea, Singapore, Canada and Eastern Europe. Get off the Somalia argument. It isn't really a point to begin with.

A CEO nowadays can run a company (located in Singapore) from his Manhattan apartment (charged to the company) with a primary residence in St. Kitts. Tax the hell out of people, call them greedy assholes and that they owe their lives to government because we have roads and bridges. Watch what happens.


Canada would tax the fark out of them. Us and our socialized medicine and social programs.
 
2012-09-17 11:02:34 PM

sirrerun: Who are all these "moochers" supposed to be?



A lot of them are elderly retirees living in Florida. Mitt doesn't need that state, so it's alllllll good.
 
2012-09-17 11:02:36 PM

dumbobruni: o5iiawah: bgilmore5: Move your corporation to Somalia. Let's see just how successful it can be without roads, telecommunications, security, etc.

There are roads and bridges in South Korea, Singapore, Canada and Eastern Europe. Get off the Somalia argument. It isn't really a point to begin with.

A CEO nowadays can run a company (located in Singapore) from his Manhattan apartment (charged to the company) with a primary residence in St. Kitts. Tax the hell out of people, call them greedy assholes and that they owe their lives to government because we have roads and bridges. Watch what happens.

they will do it regardless of the tax rate and political environment.

Singapore, cited by many advocates of low tax rates and business friendly policies, has a significant asset offshoring problem of its own. $170 billion in assets hid offshore, or about 70% of GDP

Link


Singapore also has universal single-payer health care.

/Always fun to bring that fun fact to this debate ;)
 
2012-09-17 11:02:44 PM

Mrtraveler01: o5iiawah: A public school isn't socialism. if it is run and funded locally with input from parents who hold administrators accountable, that is about the smartest and best form of government you can have.

[www.lolwut.com image 533x594]


a public school is a perfectly legitimate entity in a republic....I think you forgot to read the rest of my post.
 
2012-09-17 11:03:27 PM

o5iiawah: We arent a society where a minority provide and the majority receive.


By any measure the number who need assistance are a small minority.

When did one person incur a debt to take care of another?

History books, read them.
 
2012-09-17 11:03:28 PM

MisterLoki: FreeRepublic is gold on this:

If anything, this was leaked intentionally by team Romney because it's red meat for the base. I love it when people speak candidly and I believe this will ultimately end up being well received. No doubt, the Obamamedia leg humpers will try to make a controversy out of it but it only encourages me to support Romney even more.

3 posted on Mon Sep 17 2012 19:07:43 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by NoobRep

And the media thinks this statement will HURT Romney? Bwa-ahahahahaha.

6 posted on Mon Sep 17 2012 19:08:27 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))

I hope this is an intentional leak to start the much needed and long overdue conversation about entitlements in this country. It's just driving us off a fiscal cliff.

12 posted on Mon Sep 17 2012 19:12:22 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by NoobRep

Sure- Count all TSA workers, county, state and federal employees, welfare recipients, those on disability, illegals, public school teachers, administrators, assistants, principals, supervisors of assorted types, school bus drivers, gardeners, cleaning crew, SEIU types, and of course its 47% Obama. How else can anyone justify why one with Obama's record, a domestic and foreign policy agenda up in smoke and reduced in ashes, would not be behind by 10-15 points against any serious challenger. Add to this the tribal vote of Blacks, Hispanics, and liberal Jews, NARAL, the LGBT crowd, academics, and the trial lawyers association, and it puts Obama over the top. Anyone surprised that Obama will be re-elected and our nation will be over the cliff. Pray this would not happen but prepare for Third World status.

22 posted on Mon Sep 17 2012 19:21:28 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Steelfish (ui)


Those user names aren't old school freeper names.
Find the old ones.
Some of them are trying to spin this........ but look at the ones who are not.
 
2012-09-17 11:04:02 PM

WhyteRaven74: o5iiawah: Education is a function of state and local governments who know best what the needs of their community are.

Given how badly some schools are run they don't know what the needs of their communities are.


And school boards in Kansas and Texas give me little confidence that they can they do understand the needs of their communities.
 
2012-09-17 11:04:33 PM
Akin to ask Romney to step aside for the good of the party

/not mine but hilarious
 
2012-09-17 11:04:39 PM
As Ezra Klein points outin this piece (see Heritage-sourced graph), the major drivers of this 47% were two men named Reagan and Bush.

That's right, these people who don't pay taxes are largely the result of Republican policies.
 
2012-09-17 11:04:47 PM

o5iiawah: mainstreet62: People will eat and have shelter and medicine?

Go fark yourself, you POS.

We arent a society where a minority provide and the majority receive. Go fark yourself if you think you're entitled to someone else's property simply because you exist.

In the absence of a crime, When did one person incur a debt to take care of another?


Oh, right about here:

9 Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"

"I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"


(Gen. 4:9)
 
2012-09-17 11:04:50 PM

Gyrfalcon: 1. ROMNEY: I SPOKE TOO HASTILY

GOP candidate says a video clip in which he called nearly half of Americans "victims" was "not elegantly stated" and was "spoken off the cuff."

Source: Link



That's not exactly a disavowing and the Google News feed I have going shows that 'stands by his remarks' is the operative phrase going.
 
2012-09-17 11:05:06 PM

Mrtraveler01: And school boards in Kansas and Texas give me little confidence that they can they do understand the needs of their communities.


that's a bingo
 
2012-09-17 11:05:23 PM

Mrtraveler01: o5iiawah: A public school isn't socialism. if it is run and funded locally with input from parents who hold administrators accountable, that is about the smartest and best form of government you can have.

[www.lolwut.com image 533x594]


I guess Socialism is only when the federal government does something. So communes aren't socialist according to 05iiawah I suppose.
 
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