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(NESN)   Ray Lewis, like the rest of the planet, wants the regular NFL refs back   (nesn.com) divider line 57
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2012-09-17 07:40:06 PM
I agree with the man. Get them back, pay them and make them full time employees.
 
2012-09-17 08:31:17 PM
I agree with Nadie_AZ. Get them back, pay them and make them full time employees.
 
2012-09-17 08:32:39 PM
I'm still looking for that alleged hold on Gronkowski that called back game winning TD for the Patriots.

Please don't get me wrong...the Pats played like shiat for 3-1/2 quarters and probably didn't deserve to win. But when Arizona all but handed the game to them, it really sucked to see the refs take the win away. (And even then, they were a missed field goal from winning.)

I have to agree with a guy that had someone killed...get the real refs back.
 
2012-09-17 08:35:55 PM
The replacement refs are pretty bad. Given the circumstances they have been put in, I'd say they have done a good enough job. They are under such scrutiny and it's unfair to them to be judged and ridiculed the way they have been.

That being said, they aren't good enough to do the job.
 
2012-09-17 08:41:07 PM
Yes Sir Mister Lewis.

/please don't shiv me
 
2012-09-17 08:58:46 PM
The replacement refs are terrible. They have added an extra half hour to the game.
 
2012-09-17 09:01:26 PM

pjbreeze: The replacement refs are terrible. They have added an extra half hour to the game.


On Sunday too? Because with the NFL's raging boner to have more games on primetime, I want to just shut myself in a sound proof box (or sleep), then record the game so I can skip the commercials.
 
2012-09-17 09:01:30 PM
Yesterday's Rams/Redskins game had me on the floor, begging and pleading for the regular refs back.

/Please
//Pretty please
///Even Ed Hochuli preening for the camera
 
2012-09-17 09:04:08 PM
The Eagles game had a 5 minute 2 minute warning.

I know it's not an easy job. I don't fault the replacements for trying, but c'mon Roger!

Give the refs what they want. One of these games (an important one) will be decided by a horrible call.

Just a matter of time.
 
2012-09-17 09:06:17 PM
Please bring the refs back before more serious injuries occur.This is ridiculous. Out of the overall NFL budget, taking care of the refs should be a no brainer.
 
2012-09-17 09:06:40 PM
My Google-fu is weak. Anyone got a link for the Refs Union where I can send some support email?

Hell, I'll send cookies to 'em if'd get them back on the field. Goodell needs to be forcibly retired.
 
2012-09-17 09:10:52 PM
and people will still be complaining about refs when the old ones come back........lets face it people and players complain about refs even when they had the regular refs in and will still complain with them when they get back... what just gonna waiver the first few weeks cause of the quality of the refs? i am pretty certain that with the reg refs we would still hear people crying about refs...
 
2012-09-17 09:15:53 PM
I loved the half-assed apology from Blowhard today.

"I still don't think the refs are that bad, but the fans, players, and media have decided otherwise."

So, you mean the only one still defending them is the asshole paid to be a contrarian?
 
2012-09-17 09:16:29 PM
Someone please tell me they got a screencap of the Infinite Elway.


/furiously refreshing 30fps
 
2012-09-17 09:36:18 PM

strangeguitar: The Eagles game had a 5 minute 2 minute warning.

I know it's not an easy job. I don't fault the replacements for trying, but c'mon Roger!

Give the refs what they want. One of these games (an important one) will be decided by a horrible call.

Just a matter of time.


And don't forget that there were two two minute warnings. One at 2:05 and another at 2:00.
 
2012-09-17 09:36:56 PM
the Vick call was correct. He arm was clearly moving forward, so it was incomplete pass. But the refs lost control of the Ravens/ Eagles game. The refs lost control of the Redskins/ Rams game. And the refs are losing control of the Broncos/ Falcons game currently.

A key player is going to get hurt during a post-whistle scrum that would never have occurred with the regular officials. These replacement officials are allowing way too much fighting and eventually a key needless injury is going to occur.
 
2012-09-17 09:37:27 PM

mjohnson71: Yesterday's Rams/Redskins game had me on the floor, begging and pleading for the regular refs back.

/Please
//Pretty please
///Even Ed Hochuli preening for the camera


There were three teams on the field yesterday: the Redskins, the Rams, and the Refs. I wasn't fun to watch. It was just farking awful.
 
2012-09-17 09:44:20 PM
My biggest issue isn't even the ability to make calls. They seem to be doing OK at that (not great... OK).

I have a bigger issue with the fact that they have no control over the game whatsoever. The players played it safe last week, but this week they're picking fights and taking cheap shots left and right. Now that the NFL would have to pay out instead of collecting fines, Roger Gooddell doesn't care about player safety?
 
2012-09-17 09:53:56 PM

balki1867: My biggest issue isn't even the ability to make calls. They seem to be doing OK at that (not great... OK).

I have a bigger issue with the fact that they have no control over the game whatsoever. The players played it safe last week, but this week they're picking fights and taking cheap shots left and right. Now that the NFL would have to pay out instead of collecting fines, Roger Gooddell doesn't care about player safety?


It's like when you were in school and had a substitute teacher, people start acting up because they can get away with it.

I think when the real refs come back teams will be used to paying a little dirty and we might see a record amount of flags in the first week while the refs put a stop to it.
 
2012-09-17 09:54:32 PM
 
2012-09-17 09:57:53 PM
Actually, I have been watching. Mnf and naturally the announcers are piling on the beleaguered refs, but it seems unjustified to me*. Fox was throwing a tantrum like a little girl, and the announcers were behind him, but there really were 12 men on the field. Refs were right. Late hit call was right as well.

* not sure they made the right call on the fumble recovery at the end of the first quarter
 
2012-09-17 10:11:07 PM

pjbreeze: The replacement refs are terrible. They have added an extra half hour to the game.


This is an understatement.
 
2012-09-17 10:14:53 PM

Farkenhostile: It's like when you were in school and had a substitute teacher, people start acting up because they can get away with it.

I think when the real refs come back teams will be used to paying a little dirty and we might see a record amount of flags in the first week while the refs put a stop to it.


I think you're right on that count. The bigger issue is the PR nightmare on Roger's hands if one of his Mannings or a Brady ends up with a career/season-ending injury because these refs couldn't keep any control.
 
2012-09-17 10:22:13 PM
Do you dumb farks remember how shiatty the regular refs were??

Jeff Triplett and Ed Hoculi both throat giant donkey cock to name a few.
 
2012-09-17 10:35:10 PM

uofacats2004: The replacement refs are pretty bad. Given the circumstances they have been put in, I'd say they have done a good enough job. They are under such scrutiny and it's unfair to them to be judged and ridiculed the way they have been.

That being said, they aren't good enough to do the job.


What slays me is they can't even run the game clock right. Or the play clock.
 
2012-09-17 10:55:16 PM

Mogani: and people will still be complaining about refs when the old ones come back........lets face it people and players complain about refs even when they had the regular refs in and will still complain with them when they get back... what just gonna waiver the first few weeks cause of the quality of the refs? i am pretty certain that with the reg refs we would still hear people crying about refs...


Yeah, the regular refs blow calls, but these guys blow just as many calls (if not more) along with a bonus of having no control over the game. There is no flow, constant 5 minute stops for them to figure out where to place the ball and 5 minute stops to decide on what terrible call they are actually going to make.

The games are almost unwatchable with these guys out there and tonight's game is a perfect example.

The regular guys have plenty of faults but after seeing the replacement refs out there, I can at least appreciate the game management part of their job.
 
2012-09-17 10:57:40 PM
The Niners Lions game was a late hit-a-thon.

Niners getting drilled by a 2nd and 3rd Lion at the end of every play. Niners tossing Lions aside after the whistle 10 yards from the ball. Stafford got hit well after he slid. Alex Smith got a forearm to the nose (bloodied him up good) as he slid. Which is contact to the head, let alone late.
 
2012-09-17 11:23:50 PM

mjohnson71: Yesterday's Rams/Redskins game had me on the floor, begging and pleading for the regular refs back.

/Please
//Pretty please
///Even Ed Hochuli preening for the camera


Huuurst Down!
 
2012-09-17 11:32:30 PM
I honestly don't know all the ins and outs of the negotiations.... but I freaking hope they are important enough issues to warrant farking up the first 1/8th of the season.

I've never seen so many bad spots in one weekend. Bad spots!!! That's un-farking-forgivable.
 
2012-09-17 11:34:38 PM
How dare you interrupt the NFL owners while they're displaying their corcks!
 
2012-09-18 12:16:20 AM
I wonder if Lewis would take a stab at riffing when he retires?
 
2012-09-18 12:31:44 AM

Obscure Login: Mogani: and people will still be complaining about refs when the old ones come back........lets face it people and players complain about refs even when they had the regular refs in and will still complain with them when they get back... what just gonna waiver the first few weeks cause of the quality of the refs? i am pretty certain that with the reg refs we would still hear people crying about refs...

Yeah, the regular refs blow calls, but these guys blow just as many calls (if not more) along with a bonus of having no control over the game. There is no flow, constant 5 minute stops for them to figure out where to place the ball and 5 minute stops to decide on what terrible call they are actually going to make.

The games are almost unwatchable with these guys out there and tonight's game is a perfect example.

The regular guys have plenty of faults but after seeing the replacement refs out there, I can at least appreciate the game management part of their job.


In any given weekend, the regular refs make one or two bad calls, across all the games, which warrant conversation. These jokers are making 3-5 each game. Skins/Rams: 3 personal fouls and the debacle with the Rams at the goal line. shiat, I was rooting for the Redskins, but was yelling, "WTF is this shiat?!?" at that abortion of a play. The Redskins didn't stop the Rams. The referees did.
 
2012-09-18 12:49:27 AM
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/If anyone's gonna do it, it's gonna be me dammit.
 
2012-09-18 12:50:07 AM

foo monkey:
There were three teams on the field yesterday: the Redskins, the Rams, and the Refs. I wasn't fun to watch. It was just farking awful.


That really was one of the worst officiating jobs I can remember.
Even good refs will miss a call here and there, but Ram / Redskins had missed calls, blown calls, incorrect calls, simple procedural calls that weren't made and the refs had no control over a very chippy, nasty game from start to finish.

The best thing I can say about that game was there were so many problems with the officiating, you can't point to any single mistake by the refs that affected the outcome.
 
2012-09-18 01:08:12 AM

SlothB77: the Vick call was correct. He arm was clearly moving forward, so it was incomplete pass. But the refs lost control of the Ravens/ Eagles game. The refs lost control of the Redskins/ Rams game. And the refs are losing control of the Broncos/ Falcons game currently.


I dont understand why Ray "Stabby" Lewis is biatching about, I hate vick and even I saw his arm make the ever so slight movement forward, I want the iggles to lose so bad but the call was right.

The refs have their issue but guys with 10+ years experience have fewer issues, personally I like them conferring on calls to make sure they got it right and calling more holds, too many players get away with that shiat every game and its annoying. Then the announcers say "Veterans get those calls" which is just bullshiat speak for "the refs dont call fouls on their buddies".
 
2012-09-18 01:37:24 AM

steamingpile: I dont understand why Ray "Stabby" Lewis is biatching about, I hate vick and even I saw his arm make the ever so slight movement forward, I want the iggles to lose so bad but the call was right.


Now that we're in the proper thread for this conversation...

...I agree. The fumble call was correctly reversed in this game and it wasn't even particularly close. That said, the issue I (and others, to include several of the players involved) have with the way this game was called was on the DPI calls, or lack thereof. Going past the Jacoby Jones call in the end zone (he was flagged for OPI after being held for most of his route), there was not a single defensive pass interference call in the game. Literally. Not one. Two separate "illegal contact" calls on the defense, one of which clearly should have been called a DPI (on the final drive, which cost Baltimore 10 yards that could indeed have been game-changing), but not a single DPI. Go ahead and check me on that.

That is the issue I have with the replacement refs. If the crew which officiated the Broncos/Falcons game tonight had been in Philly yesterday, there would have been multiple DPIs called, likely on both teams. If the crew in Philly yesterday had instead worked in Atlanta earlier tonight, there would have been none called in that game. It's that inconsistency between crews and even individual refs, which does not exist among the regular crews (or at the least, not to the level we've seen in the first two weeks).

The "regular" refs clearly do make mistakes, and those mistakes clearly do stir up all kinds of controversy and biatching by the fans and even, on occasion, among the players and coaches....but not nearly on the level seen so far this season. No, I don't particularly blame the replacements for this (aside from blaming them for taking the positions) because they don't have the experience, and if they were as good as the regular refs then they'd likely have already been working in the NFL--I blame the league, and in particular, the owners. In the first week alone, we had two games in which poor officiating could have (or did) decide the outcome: the "fourth timeout" awarded to Seattle, where the Seahawks blew it anyway, and the clock error in the Detroit/St. Louis game which did directly lead to the Lions' win. Week two's games have drawn even stronger criticism.

While I realize that the hip way of looking at is to support the league/owners because the majority is clearly sick of watching NFL games officiated by Div. III/high school refs, I do not see how any sane individual can claim that the officiating is at the same level thus far in 2012 as it has been in past seasons. That not only defies the clearly demonstrated actions of the first two weeks, but also defies logic. This is akin to stating that the replacement players in 1987 performed at the same level as the regular players.

I'll wholeheartedly agree with you that many people are blowing this far out of proportion, but understating the problem is no less disingenuous. I suppose that there is a certain amount of nobility in defending the replacement referees against the cascade of insults being hurled at them, true, but that nobility loses a great deal of its luster when you take the next step down the chain of responsibility and realize that you're defending the league owners and, to a lesser extent, Roger Goodell and the rest of the league's front office.

I am still a little bit drunk so please forgive the inevitable typos and missing words.
 
2012-09-18 02:49:35 AM
Steve Young dressed down the NFL in regards to the ref situation after the game tonight, it was a thing of beauty.
 
2012-09-18 03:27:36 AM
NFL team owners are greedy pigs. Public opinion needs to pry a few bills out of their fat little liver-spotted fists and hand the cash over to the zebras, thereby paying them what they're worth, i.e., a lot.
 
2012-09-18 04:59:27 AM
"Rest of the planet" is probably a stretch given that the vast majority of the planet have no interest in American football and even fewer are aware there is a ref strike.
 
2012-09-18 05:17:07 AM

mjohnson71: Yesterday's Rams/Redskins game had me on the floor, begging and pleading for the regular refs back.

/Please
//Pretty please
///Even Ed Hochuli preening for the camera


I think they were trying to turn shanahan's face the same color as the dude on the side of the redskins helmets
 
2012-09-18 05:26:50 AM

Brigandaca: "Rest of the planet" is probably a stretch given that the vast majority of the planet have no interest in American football and even fewer are aware there is a ref strike.


Thank you, captain literal! You have again made the internet safe from figurative exaggeration!
 
2012-09-18 07:31:07 AM
Are people picketing for refunds on their tickets? Are they revoking their rights to be season ticket holders? Have they stopped buying merchandise?

Have they walked up to the owners with their hands full of vomit demanding a refund on their used concessions?

Then shut the fark up. Until the owners lose money, they won't budge. Until a bad call results in a broken leg for Brady that makes Theisman's look like a mild sprain, nothing will change.

If Lewis or the fans want the refs back, then they (fans and the players union) can strike. Until then, why are his lips still moving?

/Players union blew this
 
2012-09-18 07:32:03 AM
I'm amazed by the number of times they spot the ball at the wrong place after a foul and need to fix it. At least they usually do, but adding or subtracting 10 isn't really rocket science.
 
2012-09-18 09:21:36 AM

AppleOptionEsc: pjbreeze: The replacement refs are terrible. They have added an extra half hour to the game.

On Sunday too? Because with the NFL's raging boner to have more games on primetime, I want to just shut myself in a sound proof box (or sleep), then record the game so I can skip the commercials.


Whenever the Bears play at noon, I DVR the game and start watching around 1:30. I skip all the commercials, and by the end of the game I'm caught up. it's a great way to watch.
 
2012-09-18 09:22:55 AM

I sound fat: mjohnson71: Yesterday's Rams/Redskins game had me on the floor, begging and pleading for the regular refs back.

/Please
//Pretty please
///Even Ed Hochuli preening for the camera

I think they were trying to turn shanahan's face the same color as the dude on the side of the redskins helmets


I miss Ed Hochuli's gun show and exceptionally long-winded explanation of calls.
 
2012-09-18 09:37:29 AM

you have pee hands: I'm amazed by the number of times they spot the ball at the wrong place after a foul and need to fix it. At least they usually do, but adding or subtracting 10 isn't really rocket science.


Holy shiat, yes. In the Rams/Redskins game they gave they spotted the ball 35 yards from the spot of a Personal Foul call (which was 5 yards beyond the ball). Then moved it back in 5 yard chunks constantly looking over at the "consultant" or whatever they call the NFL guy on the sideline. Took 5 minutes to spot the farking ball right.

They've let the stage get to them, one thing about being a ref is to maintain game control. That means even if you are wrong, you are right. If you don't act with control you get bullied which is where they are now. If you blow a call, spend 5 minutes discussing it, still get it wrong, you're going to get pushed around (quite literally last night).

Like the time out situation last week. Look at the score board if it shows a timeout left, grant the time out and move on. If you gave them an extra time out let them biatch to the league. But make your call, be stern about it, be consistent about it and you earn respect. Otherwise you look like you have no clue what you are doing.

I ref basketball and you get 1 maybe 2 inadvertant whistles a season, any more than that and you get a reputation as being indecisive and the coaches will do everything to push you. Blow the whistle, make a call, stick with the call, move on with the game. You might blow one every couple games but the coaches will not try and dress you down if you are consistent and confident.
 
2012-09-18 09:47:30 AM

you have pee hands: I'm amazed by the number of times they spot the ball at the wrong place after a foul and need to fix it. At least they usually do, but adding or subtracting 10 isn't really rocket science.


In the Ravens/Eagles game, Flacco threw a 20 yard pass that was intercepted and Ray Rice got called for a personal foul at the line of scrimmage. They initially tacked on the 15 yard penalty from where the foul occurred instead of where the ball ended up. Plus that person who intercepted the pass was never down by contact and the play was blown dead immediately, but that happens a lot with the real officials.
 
2012-09-18 10:00:22 AM

PoochUMD: In the Ravens/Eagles game, Flacco threw a 20 yard pass that was intercepted and Ray Rice got called for a personal foul at the line of scrimmage. They initially tacked on the 15 yard penalty from where the foul occurred instead of where the ball ended up. Plus that person who intercepted the pass was never down by contact and the play was blown dead immediately, but that happens a lot with the real officials.


Yeah, I watched that game too - they spotted the ball at least 3 different places after that play. It might have been returned for a TD too, though it's tough to tell when a play's blown dead because not everyone stops playing at the same time.
 
2012-09-18 10:01:55 AM

born_yesterday: Are people picketing for refunds on their tickets? Are they revoking their rights to be season ticket holders? Have they stopped buying merchandise?

Have they walked up to the owners with their hands full of vomit demanding a refund on their used concessions?

Then shut the fark up. Until the owners lose money, they won't budge. Until a bad call results in a broken leg for Brady that makes Theisman's look like a mild sprain, nothing will change.

If Lewis or the fans want the refs back, then they (fans and the players union) can strike. Until then, why are his lips still moving?

/Players union blew this


QFT. You can't complain about something if you are not willing to help fix it. All the players can ban together and sit out until the refs get paid. It would show solidarity for the refs and get them back on the field in no time.

But as many have said, until it affects the owners bottom line nothing will change. These replacement refs have the chance to be the NEW refs should this strike persist.
 
2012-09-18 10:30:24 AM

WhyteRaven74: Steve Young dressed down the NFL in regards to the ref situation after the game tonight, it was a thing of beauty.


It was better than the game itself. He hit the nail on the head though, the only way the NFL is going to cave is if people stop buying tickets and merchandise and stop watching the games.
 
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