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(Christian Science Monitor)   Russia declassifies information regarding a diamond meteorite impact located in the 70s. In other news, there are asteroids made out of diamond   (csmonitor.com) divider line 38
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2012-09-17 05:25:10 PM
5 votes:
www.history.com

Space diamond, eh? Let me call in a buddy of mine who is an expert in space diamonds and maybe we can make a deal. Listen I know my buddy said it was worth every dollar on the face of the planet, but I'm going to have to frame it and it's just going to sit on my shelves because I don't have a lot of people coming in asking about space diamonds. I'm also not a collector and I have to make a little profit. I could do like 20 bucks and I think that's really a fair offer.
2012-09-17 04:51:50 PM
5 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: Women are dumb.

Shiny!


Men are dumber.

Pussy!
2012-09-17 04:21:19 PM
4 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.


This would normally be true, but these diamonds come with the optional travel case (a $20 value)
2012-09-17 04:18:47 PM
4 votes:

CatfoodSpork: Wasn't there a recent Futurama episode based on the concept of diamond meteors?


yeah they cut a chunk off and put it in the ocean to stave off global warming but found out it contained some weird animal that tastes great when fried but then found out they were the kids of some alien race so then some big brains came and took over the planet until the Harlem globetrotters saved the day.
2012-09-17 06:33:08 PM
3 votes:

xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?


Asteroids were not always small rocks wandering thru space. It is supposed that the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter is what's left of a planet. A part of that planet, say a piece of volcanic pipe from deep within the core of the ex-planet, comes noodling in at 17,000 miles an hour and BOOM!, instant diamond field.

As to the idea of oil in the asteroids, look up "Abiotic petroleum." Since the theory, (and it is still a theory) would make the Gospel of "limited oil supply" a lie, Liberal Science has fought long and hard to denigrate and scoff at the whole concept. That Antarctica is sitting on a vast layer of methane ice, that oil seeps are all over the place, and that there is a whole sub-species of subterranean biology that feeds on oil, (Explains how the " years" of polluting oil from the BP spill vanished in 6 months... Another media/Obama lie.) is just another example of Leftist Journalism.

Why does Obama push for skyrocketing fuel prices? Power over the Proles. Ask yourself, "Have I been anywhere lately?" He did it because he could. He won. Test run for further Executive Orders to collapse the economy. .He's not stupid, he's evil.

2012-09-17 05:41:18 PM
3 votes:
What "space diamonds" may be used for:

images4.wikia.nocookie.net

/No rudimentary lathe required
//Merciful, and quick
2012-09-17 04:36:44 PM
3 votes:
27.media.tumblr.com
2012-09-17 04:23:09 PM
3 votes:

Headso: xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?

An asteroid can just be part of a bigger thing that some other asteroid flew into and broke a chunk off of...


Listen. This shiat is complicated. It's not like a truck you can just fill up and throw it down there. It's a series of tubes. Plus, I hear from scientists they have mechanisms in place that just turn that whole thing off.
2012-09-17 04:14:21 PM
3 votes:
It would be hard for this to sound anymore like the plot of a 007 movie.
2012-09-17 04:58:43 PM
2 votes:

Headso: Swoop1809: If not she's getting a lab diamond

labs love eating garbage so not sure what kind of clarity you'll get with one of those...


Pretty nice, actually.
Link
2012-09-17 04:19:46 PM
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.


Uh, these are from space. Therefore they will be better.
2012-09-17 04:14:21 PM
2 votes:
^ * 2,000,000,000,000

/trillions of carets
2012-09-17 04:12:49 PM
2 votes:

mauricecano: Also Fossil Fuel is created FROM organic material, if you didn't have dead organisms first you didn't have fossil fuel


Maybe it's the asteroid that killed all the dinosaurs, smarty-pants.
2012-09-17 09:07:48 PM
1 votes:

BolshyGreatYarblocks: [upload.wikimedia.org image 512x384]

Interested.


Also interested.

www.hotflick.net

As long as he doesn't have to go to London.
2012-09-17 07:13:59 PM
1 votes:
Diamond shovels for everyone!

media-mcw.cursecdn.com
2012-09-17 06:56:05 PM
1 votes:
No Diamonds in Diablo 3 though. :(
2012-09-17 06:30:42 PM
1 votes:
On his way...

i.imgur.com
2012-09-17 06:07:27 PM
1 votes:
"Fossil fuel" is anything but. Petroleum is abiotic in origin, it comes from deep within the earth, where hydrocarbons are put under immense pressure. Oil is GEOLOGIC, and thus is likely an infinitely renewable resource. Ask any geologist. The "crushed up dinosaurs" origin of oil is only believed in the West, and it is propaganda at its finest.

"The suggestion that petroleum might have arisen from some transformation of squashed fish or biological detritus is surely the silliest notion to have been entertained by substantial numbers of persons over an extended period of time." -- Fred Hoyle, (1982)

Read up friends:

http://ergobalance.blogspot.com/2008/03/oil-not-fossil-fuel.html

Charles
2012-09-17 05:49:38 PM
1 votes:
Looks like Wikipedia agrees with the brantgoose, not golddude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberlite

I guess golddude's geology professor needs some continuing education?
2012-09-17 05:48:56 PM
1 votes:
De Beers

www.totalpackers.com
2012-09-17 05:38:39 PM
1 votes:
Still quite happy with the relative rarity of the ring I designed for my wife: 1/3c of Extraterrestrial Peridot (aka Palladot(tm) or Pallasitic Olivene, or "Peridot that was in a meteorite from outer-friggen-space")

ET Peridot almost NEVER makes it through the atmosphere intact (or at least un-fractured enough to survive gem cutting). There are like 1 or 2 falls in the entire world known to yield gem-quality stones.

Diamonds-shmiamonds, my wife wears a friggen space gem. Love ya, babe.
2012-09-17 05:13:03 PM
1 votes:
They probably came down with that SPECTRE satellite
2012-09-17 05:12:17 PM
1 votes:
Most gemstone quality diamonds found on Earth are found in Kimberlite pipes (or the beds of streams that have eroded such deposits). They are believed to form in the Earth under great pressure and heat. The Kimberlite pipe is the throat of an old volcano and the diamonds, plus the clay in which they are found, come from deep in the Earth.

The diamond found in meteorites have (at least until now) been very small diamonds formed in stars. Small stars like our Suns start "burning" Hydrogen, forming Helium, as they age they switch to making heavier elements by "burning" Helium. Carbon is one of the elements that is made in small dwarf stars like our Sun. The heaviest element formed by this type of star is Iron.

Astronomers have concluded that some small stars, when they collapse are composed almost entirely of carbon, which because of heat and pressure, makes them giant diamonds. When they explode, they scatter diamonds through space.

If the Russian story is true and the Russians are correct about possing a large meteorite impact, it is composed of vasts amounts of space diamonds. Many of these are probably industrial grade--very small and impure, not gemstone quality but good for industrial grinding and blades.

Russian diamonds have long been plentiful but of relatively lower quality, so it's possible they have some space diamonds in the mix already.

If this is so, I would expect that the Russians would be able to undercut the cost of industrial grade and small gemstone diamonds at the expense of other producers such as South Africa and Canada, which are mining Kimberlite pipes for gemstones. If a small percentage of these trillions of carats of diamonds are gemstones of good size and quality, they could crash the cartel that is led by DeBeers.

They have no real interest in doing so, though, so I can't see why they would announce the real source of their diamonds. They should stock-pile and manipulate the price just like the DeBeers cartel.

On the other hand, if they do release a lot of diamonds, flooding the market because they need the money, it means that industrial grade diamond prices will plummet, gemstone prices will fall, and the only diamonds that will hold much of their value will be historical stones associated with famous people, such as Marie Antoinette, or with famous jewels, such as Liz Taylor's diamond ring and the Crown Jewels of Great Britain.

Historical stones have a known provenance and are guaranteed not to be space diamonds (which are not rare) or artificial diamonds (which can be very nice to look at, but are cheaper to make than to find).

Expect blades to be sharper and polishing dies to be more sparkly if the Russians are not lying or the news story is not BS.

Also, now might be a good time for coloured stones such as emeralds, rubies and sapphires to make a come-back as wedding ring settings. They are more costly than diamonds any way, and they are not as easy to make, nor is there a giant cartel sitting on God only knows how many tonnes of them.

If things keep moving in this direction, gemstones will mostly become much cheaper over time. You might want to consider pearls--not the cheap cultured pearls, but the real thing. Our oceans are a mess. Pearls may hold their value better than other mineral deposits because they come from living organisms, and unlike diamonds, you can't make pearl oysters. Not yet, at any rate.

As for oil in meteorites, not likely. "Real" diamonds, which is to say gemstone diamonds, do form deep in the Earth, while space diamonds form in stars. Oil is unlike to form in stars because it is largely organic in origin. Of course, some geologists (notably Russian geologists) and Thomas Gold, have claimed that oil is formed inorganically in vast quantities and that the reason why they have found it in meteor impact craters is that it is formed deeper in the Earth than the deposits of organic fossil fuels such as coal and bitumin.

This is probably crank-science, so oil from non-biological processes is unlikely, at least until somebody proves Gold right.

The conventional geologists claim the oil is found in fractured rock simply because it seeps into the cracks from the normal layers which contain ancient seabeds.

By the by, oil is not made from dinosaurs.That is advertising. Oil is made by bacteria, so some of it may be made more recently than the bulk of it, which was formed millions of years ago and buried by sediment and volcanic ash and lava.

If Gold is right, of course, there's so much more oil and natural gas (non-biological) down there to be found, we are doomed to even worse climate change than if we used up all the normal bio-fuel in the form of fossil deposits. If bacteria make oil, there's not a lot of it and it isn't necessarily all that deep. If geology makes oil and it seeps up into porous rocks and cracks, it could be anywhere, everywhere and very deep but very plentiful.

Which is better? Personally I hope the biological theory is right. We can't take much more of this fossil sunlight being released into our air, water and soil without being broiled.
2012-09-17 05:08:49 PM
1 votes:
If this is not all BS, then maybe DeBeers will fund asteroid defense, you know, just in case.
2012-09-17 05:03:44 PM
1 votes:
wiki.rainbowbrite.co.uk

/seen racing to the scene
2012-09-17 05:03:29 PM
1 votes:
You burned up on re-entry,
Impacted Siberia,
Blown on the steel breeze.
Come on you asteroid, you piece of hard carbon, come on you meteor, you space dust and fragment, and shine.
userserve-ak.last.fm
2012-09-17 05:02:29 PM
1 votes:
In related news, millions of Israelis reported to be emigrating back into Russia
2012-09-17 05:01:02 PM
1 votes:

Girion47: Swoop1809: abfalter: On a side note anyone who buys a diamond is wasting their money.

These are less than half the price of a diamond, are over 90% as hard, and almost indistinguishable from a real diamond.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite

I'm going to buy my girlfriend some Moissanite earrings to float the possibility of a Moissanite engagement ring rather than diamond.

She wants a traditional diamond mostly because she doesn't want to explain to her girlfriends why she doesn't have one. I'm hoping she will be dazzled by the extra fire in Moissanite.

If not she's getting a lab diamond

My wife has a moissanite ring. She tells everyone it's diamond, how many jewelers do we hang out with? none. Either way, she wanted the clear gem, not a zirconia, and thought diamond prices were stupid compared to what we could put towards the honeymoon.


I get the feeling you are going to live a long happy life with tons of BJs and sandwiches along the way.
2012-09-17 04:56:08 PM
1 votes:

wildcardjack: [ars.sciencedirect.com image 705x803]

First up, asteroids often have micro-diamonds. It's a stable form of carbon.

Second, didn't an asteroid impact make that diamond mine / tourist trap in Arkansas?

Third, the supply of diamonds might be rigged, but the supply of talent for cutting stones is even more restricted. If you could fully automate the cut and finish of diamonds to the "press button" level you'd be burned alive by the people in the NYC diamond district.


Stone cutters are 8 year old Indian girls making $2 a day. They have machine cut diamonds as well although somebody will come along and tell me that a person who can't tell the difference between silver and steel somehow automatically becomes an exquisite diamond inspector when their friends are getting married.
2012-09-17 04:51:19 PM
1 votes:
www.myjewelrybox.com

What a windfall for the Rapper/Hip-Hop/Pimp sectors!
These "job creators" will surely save our economy with their newfound bling!
2012-09-17 04:39:26 PM
1 votes:
Alright, they lucked into a Crystite impact!

upload.wikimedia.org
2012-09-17 04:38:20 PM
1 votes:
It's only a matter of time before this diamond is coming to America
2012-09-17 04:36:25 PM
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-09-17 04:26:12 PM
1 votes:

MEHOKIE: Well, I believe Russia is simply trying to pawn their man-made diamonds as "space diamonds".

And we all know what Yakov said about Soviet Russia ...


Diamonds hoard you?
2012-09-17 04:24:39 PM
1 votes:
Did they make a pick out of it?

/neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrddddddddddddddddd
2012-09-17 04:18:45 PM
1 votes:

xynix: Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?


Geologists say that oil comes from biological matter, so no.

Scienticians say that oil is created via geological processes, so yes.

[teach_the_controversy.jpg]
2012-09-17 04:12:49 PM
1 votes:
Women are dumb.

Shiny!
2012-09-17 04:12:44 PM
1 votes:
Could someone find that picture of Superman crushing the coal into a diamond for me?

Thanks.
 
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