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2012-09-17 03:34:04 PM
Russia has just declassified news that will shake world gem markets to their core: the discovery of a vast new diamond field containing "trillions of carats," enough to supply global markets for another 3,000 years.

I thought the diamond mine companies just keep most of the diamonds off the market to keep prices high not that they are actually rare? or is that just a conspiracy theory?
 
2012-09-17 03:40:47 PM

Headso: I thought the diamond mine companies just keep most of the diamonds off the market to keep prices high not that they are actually rare? or is that just a conspiracy theory?


Yes and no. They are rare, but DeBeers restricts the supply even further and jacks up the price.
 
2012-09-17 03:41:16 PM
"The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?
 
2012-09-17 03:43:55 PM
According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.
 
2012-09-17 03:46:34 PM

xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?


Stars can create diamond. I'm not sure they'd survive an exploding star, though.
 
2012-09-17 03:55:08 PM

Marcus Aurelius: xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?

Stars can create diamond. I'm not sure they'd survive an exploding star, though.


Fun fact, all gold is made from exploding stars and survives fine. Stars can create diamonds but so can other hard-mass objects. If you had a rock planet surrounding a star that exploded then pieces of that planet can be flung out into space and create asteroids with diamonds formed from the planet, same could be said of protoplanets that are later destroyed or rip apart.

Also Fossil Fuel is created FROM organic material, if you didn't have dead organisms first you didn't have fossil fuel. Read up please at wiki Link.
 
2012-09-17 03:58:05 PM

xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?


An asteroid can just be part of a bigger thing that some other asteroid flew into and broke a chunk off of...
 
2012-09-17 04:09:28 PM
Considering that diamond is a natural occurrence, why is anyone surprised that it would show up on places other than earth?
 
2012-09-17 04:12:16 PM

cman: Considering that diamond is a natural occurrence, why is anyone surprised that it would show up on places other than earth?


might be akin to the surprise of finding oil on Mars
 
2012-09-17 04:12:44 PM
Could someone find that picture of Superman crushing the coal into a diamond for me?

Thanks.
 
2012-09-17 04:12:49 PM
Women are dumb.

Shiny!
 
2012-09-17 04:12:49 PM

mauricecano: Also Fossil Fuel is created FROM organic material, if you didn't have dead organisms first you didn't have fossil fuel


Maybe it's the asteroid that killed all the dinosaurs, smarty-pants.
 
2012-09-17 04:14:21 PM
It would be hard for this to sound anymore like the plot of a 007 movie.
 
2012-09-17 04:14:21 PM
^ * 2,000,000,000,000

/trillions of carets
 
2012-09-17 04:15:08 PM

Marcus Aurelius: According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.


Depends on the type, amount, and dispersion of impurities in the lattice.
 
2012-09-17 04:15:08 PM
Wasn't there a recent Futurama episode based on the concept of diamond meteors?
 
2012-09-17 04:16:29 PM
On a side note anyone who buys a diamond is wasting their money.

These are less than half the price of a diamond, are over 90% as hard, and almost indistinguishable from a real diamond.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite
 
2012-09-17 04:16:57 PM
Brokers in Belgium would be shiatting themselves if this were true. Do we have any news out of Antwerp?
 
GBB
2012-09-17 04:16:59 PM

Marcus Aurelius: According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.


All sorts of shenanigans on this story.
1) If they knew about this back in the 70s, then at some point they knew they could have exploited it to help them finance... everything. But, they went bankrupt instead??
2) If these things are twice as hard as diamonds, they could be something else entirely.

Looking at 2 and taking into consideration 1, equals massive amounts of BS.
 
2012-09-17 04:17:22 PM

mauricecano: Marcus Aurelius: xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?

Stars can create diamond. I'm not sure they'd survive an exploding star, though.

Fun fact, all gold is made from exploding stars and survives fine. Stars can create diamonds but so can other hard-mass objects. If you had a rock planet surrounding a star that exploded then pieces of that planet can be flung out into space and create asteroids with diamonds formed from the planet, same could be said of protoplanets that are later destroyed or rip apart.

Also Fossil Fuel is created FROM organic material, if you didn't have dead organisms first you didn't have fossil fuel. Read up please at wiki Link.


How do we know that the big-ass object that crashed into our planet (both creating our moon and giving us our wobble) didnt shoot off lifeforms along with debris?
 
2012-09-17 04:18:45 PM

xynix: Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?


Geologists say that oil comes from biological matter, so no.

Scienticians say that oil is created via geological processes, so yes.

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2012-09-17 04:18:45 PM

mauricecano: Marcus Aurelius: xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?


There's a class of asteroids called carbonaceous (as opposed to nickel-iron). The asteroids themselves are made of carbon. The heat and pressure of the impact converts it to diamond.

Stars can create diamond. I'm not sure they'd survive an exploding star, though.

Fun fact, all gold is made from exploding stars and survives fine. Stars can create diamonds but so can other hard-mass objects. If you had a rock planet surrounding a star that exploded then pieces of that planet can be flung out into space and create asteroids with diamonds formed from the planet, same could be said of protoplanets that are later destroyed or rip apart.


Gold (and everything else between iron and uranium) is created when a star goes supernova.
Gold is an element. Diamond is a molecule. Molecules are much, much easier to rip apart than atoms. Gold in a star becomes gold plasma. A diamond in a star becomes carbon plasma.

You might get individual carbon atoms condensing out of the supernova stew as diamond. I don't know that for sure, possibly an astronomer can set me straight.

Me not have coherent grammar today for some reason.
 
2012-09-17 04:18:47 PM

CatfoodSpork: Wasn't there a recent Futurama episode based on the concept of diamond meteors?


yeah they cut a chunk off and put it in the ocean to stave off global warming but found out it contained some weird animal that tastes great when fried but then found out they were the kids of some alien race so then some big brains came and took over the planet until the Harlem globetrotters saved the day.
 
2012-09-17 04:19:14 PM

abfalter: On a side note anyone who buys a diamond is wasting their money.

These are less than half the price of a diamond, are over 90% as hard, and almost indistinguishable from a real diamond, except by a jeweler employed by your wife to see if you're a cheap farker or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite


:)
 
2012-09-17 04:19:46 PM

Marcus Aurelius: According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.


Uh, these are from space. Therefore they will be better.
 
2012-09-17 04:20:18 PM

Marcus Aurelius:
I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.


Know how I know you're from this planet?
 
2012-09-17 04:20:30 PM

abfalter: On a side note anyone who buys a diamond is wasting their money.

These are less than half the price of a diamond, are over 90% as hard, and almost indistinguishable from a real diamond.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite


Link

/What do I know about diamonds?
 
2012-09-17 04:21:19 PM

Marcus Aurelius: According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.


This would normally be true, but these diamonds come with the optional travel case (a $20 value)
 
2012-09-17 04:22:17 PM
Well, I believe Russia is simply trying to pawn their man-made diamonds as "space diamonds".

And we all know what Yakov said about Soviet Russia ...
 
2012-09-17 04:23:09 PM

Headso: xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?

An asteroid can just be part of a bigger thing that some other asteroid flew into and broke a chunk off of...


Listen. This shiat is complicated. It's not like a truck you can just fill up and throw it down there. It's a series of tubes. Plus, I hear from scientists they have mechanisms in place that just turn that whole thing off.
 
2012-09-17 04:23:45 PM

skullkrusher: except by a jeweler employed by your wife to see if you're a cheap farker or not.


Any woman worth marrying really wouldn't care, except that you lied about it in the beginning.

/flame-suit-ACTIVATE
 
2012-09-17 04:24:01 PM

cman: Considering that diamond is a natural occurrence, why is anyone surprised that it would show up on places other than earth?


Earth exceptionalism lots of people look a the conditions we evolved in, and then are shocked that if the conditions were different, they wouldn't be at all conducive to the type of life we are. Like all the 'omg, if gravity wasn't exactly the strength it is, then all the things affected by gravity would be different! doesn't that show how awesome god and earth are!'
 
2012-09-17 04:24:14 PM
I read a Tom Swift book written in 1967 about an asteroid with a core of solid sapphire... http://www.tomswift.info/homepage/cplanet.html
...which was clearly fiction. But it is a big universe, and anything may be possible.
 
2012-09-17 04:24:23 PM
Suck it, DeBeers.

/would almost feel bad for people who sunk their entire fortunes in precious gems to weather the economic downturn, but I can't
 
2012-09-17 04:24:26 PM
The biggest ever diamond has been found floating in space. The gem, estimated at close to 10 billion trillion trillion carats, is at the core of a dead star (BPM 37093) - a crystallised white dwarf.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02/18/moonsized_diamond_found_in_sp a ce/
 
2012-09-17 04:24:39 PM
Did they make a pick out of it?

/neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrddddddddddddddddd
 
2012-09-17 04:25:09 PM

mauricecano: Also Fossil Fuel is created FROM organic material, if you didn't have dead organisms first you didn't have fossil fuel. Read up please at wiki Link.


Begging the question. If by "fossil fuel" you just mean "hydrocarbons", Titan would like a word.
 
2012-09-17 04:25:15 PM

JPSimonetti: skullkrusher: except by a jeweler employed by your wife to see if you're a cheap farker or not.

Any woman worth marrying really wouldn't care, except that you lied about it in the beginning.

/flame-suit-ACTIVATE


If the survival of the relationship hinges on a pretty but pointless and expensive rock, maybe the girl is pretty but pointless and expensive as well.
 
2012-09-17 04:26:12 PM

MEHOKIE: Well, I believe Russia is simply trying to pawn their man-made diamonds as "space diamonds".

And we all know what Yakov said about Soviet Russia ...


Diamonds hoard you?
 
2012-09-17 04:26:24 PM

abfalter: On a side note anyone who buys a diamond is wasting their money.

These are less than half the price of a diamond, are over 90% as hard, and almost indistinguishable from a real diamond.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moissanite


Yes, because consumer decisions are always made based on product characteristics and logic and not because of image.
 
2012-09-17 04:27:05 PM

Bondith: mauricecano: Marcus Aurelius: xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

There's a class of asteroids called carbonaceous (as opposed to nickel-iron). The asteroids themselves are made of carbon. The heat and pressure of the impact converts it to diamond.

Stars can create diamond. I'm not sure they'd survive an exploding star, though.

Fun fact, all gold is made from exploding stars and survives fine. Stars can create diamonds but so can other hard-mass objects. If you had a rock planet surrounding a star that exploded then pieces of that planet can be flung out into space and create asteroids with diamonds formed from the planet, same could be said of protoplanets that are later destroyed or rip apart.

Gold (and everything else between iron and uranium) is created when a star goes supernova.
Gold is an element. Diamond is a molecule. Molecules are much, much easier to rip apart than atoms. Gold in a star becomes gold plasma. A diamond in a star becomes carbon plasma.

You might get individual carbon atoms condensing out of the supernova stew as diamond. I don't know that for sure, possibly an astronomer can set me straight.

Me not have coherent grammar today for some reason.


I'm not an astronomer. From the link below:

"the team proposed that the lucent crystals formed in the atmosphere of a "red giant" or dying star before it collapsed and exploded billions of years ago. The supernova would have sent the diamond-studded material far out into space, where in the fullness of time some pieces eventually fell to Earth. If this scenario is correct, the researchers said, then interstellar dust may be peppered with tiny diamonds.

Still other diamonds are apparently created during the fiery instant when meteors and meteorites slam into Earth. In the 1960s, scientists discovered more microscopic diamonds in the remains of the vast Canyon Diablo meteorite, which formed Meteor Crater in Arizona. The diamonds are sand-grain-sized, only hundredths of an inch across. "

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/diamonds-in-the-sky.html
 
2012-09-17 04:28:06 PM

trippdogg: Marcus Aurelius: According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.

This would normally be true, but these diamonds come with the optional travel case (a $20 value)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond#Hardness

Not all diamonds have the same hardness.
 
2012-09-17 04:29:46 PM

SuperT: cman: Considering that diamond is a natural occurrence, why is anyone surprised that it would show up on places other than earth?

Earth exceptionalism lots of people look a the conditions we evolved in, and then are shocked that if the conditions were different, they wouldn't be at all conducive to the type of life we are. Like all the 'omg, if gravity wasn't exactly the strength it is, then all the things affected by gravity would be different! doesn't that show how awesome god and earth are!'


it's also a scientific bias as the search for ET focuses on planets within the "habitable" range.
 
2012-09-17 04:33:15 PM

Marcus Aurelius: xynix: "The Russians say most such diamonds found in the past have been "space diamonds" of extraterrestrial origin found in meteor craters."

Im no planetoligist or whatever but I had the impression diamonds were made by carbon that's squished hard. Can this happen in an asteroid? How would that much gravity exist on a small rock (even a large rock)? I can see a carbon deposit on Mars or something being turned into diamonds but on an asteroid?

Also does this mean there could be oil in asteroids? "Fossil Fuel" to me means no fossil (bio) no fuel but can it come from any old carbon?

Stars can create diamond. I'm not sure they'd survive an exploding star, though.


White dwarfs are diamonds
Link
 
2012-09-17 04:33:59 PM
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-17 04:33:59 PM

GBB: Marcus Aurelius: According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.

All sorts of shenanigans on this story.
1) If they knew about this back in the 70s, then at some point they knew they could have exploited it to help them finance... everything. But, they went bankrupt instead??


They had tried, but then one scientist started repeating and it turned into a whole big mess.
 
2012-09-17 04:35:07 PM

Headso: Russia has just declassified news that will shake world gem markets to their core: the discovery of a vast new diamond field containing "trillions of carats," enough to supply global markets for another 3,000 years.

I thought the diamond mine companies just keep most of the diamonds off the market to keep prices high not that they are actually rare? or is that just a conspiracy theory?


Absolute, well-documented, cold, hard fact. and not "companies", but "Company" singular-as in DeBeers, a company that started life by formenting a Boer -Zulu war so they could swoop in and take over the diamond rich lands belonging to the Zulus and call them Rhodesia, and hasn't notably improved its business ethics since.

The only reason I can see for this announcement is that DeBeers check must have bounced.
 
2012-09-17 04:35:57 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Marcus Aurelius: According to the official news agency, ITAR-Tass, the diamonds at Popigai are "twice as hard" as the usual gemstones

I'm calling shenanigans. There is only one fundamental diamond structure, so if these are diamonds, they're the exact same hardness as every other diamond in the world.

Uh, these are from space. Therefore they will be better.



Space-diamonds are weightless, so you have to compare every space-diamond to 1 earth-diamond, thus making them 100% harder than a puny earth-diamond. And 1 + 100% = 2


/or something...
 
2012-09-17 04:36:25 PM
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