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2012-09-17 04:01:17 PM  
Couldn't your textbook be google image search?

/anyway, while your at it, google how to make fries
 
2012-09-17 04:03:00 PM  
I had the same issue my freshman semester in Art History 101. We got sued by some cavemen from Lascaux. Professor had to abandon the entire topic. Shame, that.
 
2012-09-17 04:05:39 PM  
Here's a crazy thought - use another textbook. I could be wrong, but I doubt that they redo historical works of art every year - requiring a new edition of the book.

"New, for 2013! The Mona Lisa gets a nose ring!"
 
2012-09-17 04:06:03 PM  
Custom sets are a big racket to squeeze more money out of students who could otherwise save a chunk of change buying used textbooks. That Stokstad Art History, for example, has been around since 2010, and there are many thousands of used copies floating around.
 
2012-09-17 04:06:34 PM  

Diogenes: Here's a crazy thought - use another textbook. I could be wrong, but I doubt that they redo historical works of art every year - requiring a new edition of the book.

"New, for 2013! The Mona Lisa gets a nose ring!"


That would mean the financial machine that is present day college would lose money. Why do you hate Capitalism??
 
2012-09-17 04:08:57 PM  
If you are paying for college. You are getting so raped.
 
2012-09-17 04:13:02 PM  
Maybe Subby should spend an $180 on an English textbook.
 
2012-09-17 04:14:51 PM  

xynix: Diogenes: Here's a crazy thought - use another textbook. I could be wrong, but I doubt that they redo historical works of art every year - requiring a new edition of the book.

"New, for 2013! The Mona Lisa gets a nose ring!"

That would mean the financial machine that is present day college would lose money. Why do you hate Capitalism??


You'd still drop a healthy chunk of change on Gardner's Art Through the Ages. Which I thought was the standard as far as introductory Art History was concerned.
 
2012-09-17 04:16:07 PM  

basemetal: Couldn't your textbook be google image search?

/anyway, while your at it, google how to make fries


LOL
 
2012-09-17 04:36:25 PM  
I had a math textbook like that my sophomore year back when the onion on my belt was fresh from the garden. 45 bucks, 180 pages, virtually no equations - just a wall of text.

I got to page 3 before my eyes hurt too much to go on.
 
2012-09-17 04:37:12 PM  
Wait a minute.. Why the hell would someone buy an art book for college? Not going to be an art major I hope.. Cause we're going to have to hear you biatch about $150,000 in student loans and no job in 4 years.
 
2012-09-17 04:58:55 PM  

Diogenes: Here's a crazy thought - use another textbook. I could be wrong, but I doubt that they redo historical works of art every year - requiring a new edition of the book.

"New, for 2013! The Mona Lisa gets a nose ring!"


Intro Business Management teacher changed the into to the books every year. Now if you had a friend that had the course you were in business but the University book store never had any in stock. Why? Because they knew the new one was coming out and the old one wasnt the official textbook. 5 books at like 50 bucks times 400+ students.

And he was the Dean of the Business School so good luck fighting him on it.
 
2012-09-17 05:11:02 PM  
Sobriety is for p*ssies. There, I said it. It's out there.
 
2012-09-17 05:11:20 PM  

xynix: Wait a minute.. Why the hell would someone buy an art book for college? Not going to be an art major I hope.. Cause we're going to have to hear you biatch about $150,000 in student loans and no job in 4 years.


I was a finance major and i took an art class. I also took geology, a series of European history, rock history, a class about song writing, and a class about classic films. Why? Because apparently you need an extra 10k worth of classes that have nothing to do with why you are in school to be well rounded. If you meant why buy the book, well when your professor says read chapters 3 and 4 this week, the quiz on them will be friday, you are kind of boned if you don't.
 
2012-09-17 05:25:37 PM  

dickfreckle: Sobriety is for p*ssies. There, I said it. It's out there.


These are art history majors. I don't think they plan on being sober.
 
2012-09-17 06:03:17 PM  
So they can't re-use last year's books?

I mean, seriously, I don't think I ever paid full price for a book while I was in college. Art-History is probably number one on the list of books students share/give away/sell as soon as they don't need it. And I sort of think the shart-face elitist prick who published the book with no photos ought to fall ass first onto a broom handle or something.

Granted, especially regarding college students, there's a lot of people who find creative ways to steal their money. Many of those students will be just tacking the $180 onto the end of their student loans, having it forgiven in 2015 when Obama forgives student loan debt (trust me on that one), and the publisher is just lining his fat pockets. Reminds me of one professor I had who made each student bring in a receipt for the purchase of the book she wrote, and dropped a letter grade off of anyone who didn't have it by the second week of class. She taught the class by having us read a chapter of the book at home, ask questions about it during class time, then take a test on it. No material was covered that wasn't in the book. So besides her regular pay, she got to enjoy the royalties of having however many students she had each semester buying her book.

...and that's perfectly legal and allowed by the administration.
 
2012-09-17 06:16:33 PM  

xynix: Wait a minute.. Why the hell would someone buy an art book for college? Not going to be an art major I hope.. Cause we're going to have to hear you biatch about $150,000 in student loans and no job in 4 years.


This is the Ontario College of Art and Design. Canada. Still won't have a job in 4 years, but will probably only be 15k in the hole.

/you can pay that back easy on Starbuck's wages
 
2012-09-17 06:35:38 PM  

IronJelly: Reminds me of one professor I had who made each student bring in a receipt for the purchase of the book she wrote, and dropped a letter grade off of anyone who didn't have it by the second week of class. She taught the class by having us read a chapter of the book at home, ask questions about it during class time, then take a test on it. No material was covered that wasn't in the book. So besides her regular pay, she got to enjoy the royalties of having however many students she had each semester buying her book.


Wow, one of my history teacher's wrote a book on medieval war. Every week he brought in photocopies of his book for us. It was our only assigned reading. He basically said "If you like my book, get others to buy it. I won't charge people already paying for my class."

Of course he was the only one who did that, and my stupid sculpting teacher (it was for an art elective, and 4 of my other friend's did it too) required 4 books that we never even opened. Plus she made us pay for all our materials too...man, now that I think about it, she was a biatch.
 
2012-09-17 06:41:04 PM  
People are still going to college? Why?
 
2012-09-17 06:43:04 PM  
So all artworks are pre-1800 in this book, they need to clear copyright for the photos of said art?
 
2012-09-17 06:44:09 PM  
so students will have to read the book, and see the pictures online by following along on their computer.


In my experience, most of them are doing that anyway. "I was going to listen to the lecture, but then I took an arrow to the knee."
 
2012-09-17 06:44:42 PM  

GreenAdder: dickfreckle: Sobriety is for p*ssies. There, I said it. It's out there.

These are art history majors. I don't think they plan on being sober employed.



/graduated with an English degree
//throwing stones in a glass house
///gainfully employed
 
2012-09-17 06:45:41 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Wow, one of my history teacher's wrote a book on medieval war. Every week he brought in photocopies of his book for us. It was our only assigned reading. He basically said "If you like my book, get others to buy it. I won't charge people already paying for my class."

Of course he was the only one who did that, and my stupid sculpting teacher (it was for an art elective, and 4 of my other friend's did it too) required 4 books that we never even opened. Plus she made us pay for all our materials too...man, now that I think about it, she was a biatch.


I had a physics professor who wrote the book we used. He encouraged us to get it used if possible. He said "I make about 50 cents for each one they sell, so by all means by them used." He taught maybe 100 students a year.
 
2012-09-17 06:46:38 PM  
If today's college students aren't going to amazon and buying the previous edition or even two or three editions old, they are fricking fools. I did that when I was in college (98-02), and the books that other students were paying $100 for, only cost about $10. I would then check out the current edition on reserve in the library, and examine the two books to make sure I wasn't missing some new substantive change. In three years of doing that (wish i'd figured that trick out freshmen year), I never once saw a single difference between the edition I bought and the "new" one sold at the bookstore.
 
2012-09-17 06:47:46 PM  
Okay, since most of that $180 would no doubt go to clearing the copyrights, shouldn't it be price adjusted?

Just sayin'.

Oh, and the instructor is due for a big fat 0 on his student evaluations for this. Every time you see them squeezing students with custom editions or other way overpriced books the students should band together to leave bad evals.

When I took a course on Linear Algebra and Matrix Methods we used a 25 year old textbook that's been kept in print BECAUSE ITS MATH.
 
2012-09-17 06:49:19 PM  
my step daughter got the international version of one of her textbooks.
Shipped straight from India.
In about 3 days
for $20
 
2012-09-17 06:50:56 PM  

IronJelly: ...and that's perfectly legal and allowed by the administration.


You mean "legal," as in not against the law.

/That's the standard of conduct here in the USSA now.
 
2012-09-17 06:51:48 PM  
That's C-11 for you. Fark Harper.
 
2012-09-17 06:52:16 PM  
here's a hint. buy used books. or, go to the library and copy what you need.

/ in undergrad, it was easy to buy used... no textbooks, save those made by professors, who would usually make it so we could just buy the stuff from a print shop for cheap.
// went to law school... tried my hardest not to buy textbooks. that's where they rape you. legitimately. fortunately, I could print out any case I wanted, so to hell with the textbook
 
2012-09-17 06:52:45 PM  
My brother told me that he had to buy a bundle of books for a mathematics class that cost him a $1000 just to get a little CD that wasn't worth ten bucks.
 
2012-09-17 06:53:25 PM  

LockeOak: scottydoesntknow: Wow, one of my history teacher's wrote a book on medieval war. Every week he brought in photocopies of his book for us. It was our only assigned reading. He basically said "If you like my book, get others to buy it. I won't charge people already paying for my class."

Of course he was the only one who did that, and my stupid sculpting teacher (it was for an art elective, and 4 of my other friend's did it too) required 4 books that we never even opened. Plus she made us pay for all our materials too...man, now that I think about it, she was a biatch.

I had a physics professor who wrote the book we used. He encouraged us to get it used if possible. He said "I make about 50 cents for each one they sell, so by all means by them used." He taught maybe 100 students a year.


Bububut- the textbook industry says that they charge that much so the authors can still get money with such low sales numbers! Are you telling me that they're lying and take all the profit themselves?

\I always liked the new editions of math textbooks. Use new clipart, renumber the problem sets, and BAM! New $200 Calc text.
 
2012-09-17 06:54:23 PM  
i scored H.W. Janson's History of Art, a 571 page comprehensive work loaded with color and b&w illustrations for 25 cents at a yard sale.
 
2012-09-17 06:54:29 PM  
Who has the copyright on this 24,000 year old statue?
upload.wikimedia.org

At my college, when they wanted to gouge us they just called it 'Athletics fees'
 
2012-09-17 06:54:30 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: If today's college students aren't going to amazon and buying the previous edition or even two or three editions old, they are fricking fools. I did that when I was in college (98-02), and the books that other students were paying $100 for, only cost about $10. I would then check out the current edition on reserve in the library, and examine the two books to make sure I wasn't missing some new substantive change. In three years of doing that (wish i'd figured that trick out freshmen year), I never once saw a single difference between the edition I bought and the "new" one sold at the bookstore.


True, and smart, but the textbook cartel has caught on, and all the chapters and sections gets rearranged in every edition to combat critical thinking and common sense on the part of students. Thus, the result is doing 10 extra hours of work to save $60.
 
2012-09-17 06:54:47 PM  

IronJelly: So they can't re-use last year's books?

I mean, seriously, I don't think I ever paid full price for a book while I was in college. Art-History is probably number one on the list of books students share/give away/sell as soon as they don't need it. And I sort of think the shart-face elitist prick who published the book with no photos ought to fall ass first onto a broom handle or something.
.


You get the updated, current, correct edition because the updated, current, correct edition has the correct homework problems. For example, I may have to withdraw from my math course because I do not have the correct problems thanks to Amazon not shipping my damn book. Could I learn the material from another book? Yup. Could I get any points? Nope. And guess what? That renders the class worthless.

/It's easy to tell who has never seen a college course in the past two decades. They're convinced you can actually get used books.
 
2012-09-17 06:55:27 PM  

Gulper Eel: I had a math textbook like that my sophomore year back when the onion on my belt was fresh from the garden. 45 bucks, 180 pages, virtually no equations - just a wall of text.

I got to page 3 before my eyes hurt too much to go on.


That was a history book
 
2012-09-17 06:55:30 PM  
I had to buy a department published textbook for over $150. The farker wasn't even bound. That shiat was wrapped in cling wrap. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but for that kind of money, my book had better have a spine.
 
2012-09-17 06:55:37 PM  

Mokmo: So all artworks are pre-1800 in this book, they need to clear copyright for the photos of said art?


Actually; most of the western art created by artists from about 400 ad to 1600 ad belongs, in one way or the other, to the roman catholic church. They have an amazing ability to influence governments around the world.

There are some pieces owned by private individuals and in art galleries from that period; but the lion's share is own by the church.
 
2012-09-17 06:56:02 PM  

Sticky Hands: my step daughter got the international version of one of her textbooks.
Shipped straight from India.
In about 3 days
for $20


In India, school books are subsidized by the government. The point is to make education attainable no matter you income level. I remember buying a years worth of books for what would have been 20 dollars growing up and that was expensive private school books.
 
2012-09-17 06:56:07 PM  

Diogenes: I had the same issue my freshman semester in Art History 101. We got sued by some cavemen from Lascaux. Professor had to abandon the entire topic. Shame, that.


i.imgur.com

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just a caveman. I fell on some ice and later got thawed out by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! Sometimes the honking horns of your traffic make me want to get out of my BMW.. and run off into the hills, or wherever.. Sometimes when I get a message on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did little demons get inside and type it?" I don't know! My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts.

But there is one thing I do know - the protection of intellectual property ensures that your modern civilization will continue to enjoy the benefits of innovation. If you do not find that these artworks are still protected by copyright laws, your modern civilization will surely revert to the savagery of the prehistoric era in which these cave paintings - and myself as well - originated."
 
2012-09-17 06:58:47 PM  
I spent $620 on books this semester. Ug.
 
2012-09-17 06:59:40 PM  
Just saying, if you expected rational economic decisions, perhaps art history wasn't the best choice...
 
2012-09-17 07:02:04 PM  
Brent Ashley shares the absolutely crazy story of how his daughter, a student at OCAD University in Canada, is taking a class on "Global Visual and Material Culture: Prehistory to 1800" which has a textbook that is required for all students... which costs $180. Now, we all know that textbook prices are absolutely insane these days, but here's where it gets crazier. The text -- and, remember, this is an art textbook has no images because they couldn't clear the copyrights:

Why is this textbook being used then? The instructor clearly has never looked into this text due to such a glaring problem. Based on this, the curriculum has not been updated for this new text, and therefore there is no reason to have this text required versus a less expensive, more worthwhile one.

I know, a little idyllic to think of instructors as doing anything other than ignoring the text or reciting from the text.
 
2012-09-17 07:03:16 PM  

dark side of the moon: I spent $620 on books this semester. Ug.


Books? Like real, heavy paper books??

That model is so obsolete- it's all electronic, which really saves your back too. I remember the engineering and math textbooks when I went to school- some were like 2" thick. You leave for the afternoon to go to several classes and it's pretty damn unreasonable. It's heavy as all hell and they poke out like some kind of Ninja Turtle shell.
 
2012-09-17 07:05:27 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: People are still going to college? Why?


To have fun and get a white collar job?
 
2012-09-17 07:05:45 PM  
Worked at a textbook store in college. Yes, there's a racket of professors who will write special chapters to books or re-arrange the sections just to warrant a new edition. I had to laugh every time I unpacked a boxes of fresh, shiny 23rd edition macroeconomics textbooks.

/the cute girls, however, i"d convince to get the 22nd edition online for $3


Myself? I checked out the books from the library, got the old edition or found the books used online. Had a professor who demanded us by his new edition since he wrote a special chapter. I gave another student $5 to copy his, took it to the library and ran off 34x $.02 copies.
 
2012-09-17 07:07:47 PM  

o5iiawah: Worked at a textbook store in college. Yes, there's a racket of professors who will write special chapters to books or re-arrange the sections just to warrant a new edition. I had to laugh every time I unpacked a boxes of fresh, shiny 23rd edition macroeconomics textbooks.

/the cute girls, however, i"d convince to get the 22nd edition online for $3


Myself? I checked out the books from the library, got the old edition or found the books used online. Had a professor who demanded us by his new edition since he wrote a special chapter. I gave another student $5 to copy his, took it to the library and ran off 34x $.02 copies.


Art History.... how has the HUNDREDS of years of Art History changed in the last year to warrant a "New Edition" over and over?
 
2012-09-17 07:08:05 PM  

IronJelly: having it forgiven in 2015 when Obama forgives student loan debt (trust me on that one)


Obama's going to forgive the student loans of Canadians?!? He truly is history's greatest monster.
 
2012-09-17 07:08:30 PM  

NickelP: xynix: Wait a minute.. Why the hell would someone buy an art book for college? Not going to be an art major I hope.. Cause we're going to have to hear you biatch about $150,000 in student loans and no job in 4 years.

I was a finance major and i took an art class. I also took geology, a series of European history, rock history, a class about song writing, and a class about classic films. Why? Because apparently you need an extra 10k worth of classes that have nothing to do with why you are in school to be well rounded. If you meant why buy the book, well when your professor says read chapters 3 and 4 this week, the quiz on them will be friday, you are kind of boned if you don't.


Both of these. Art history is part of the Gen Ed requirements at virtually every accredited college. Why? Who knows. Because f*ck you, that's why, I guess.

That said, I want to be in class when the professor tries to lecture: Okay, class, today we're discussing "themes and variances in the Sistine Chapel." I'd give you some examples from your text, but there aren't any. Just pretend like you can look at it while I talk about use of color and shading in the depiction of the Creation of Adam.
 
2012-09-17 07:08:36 PM  
s3-ak.buzzfed.com

The one really sad but true "College Freshman" meme. I bought all my books at first too. Towards the end of my college career I'd buy one, maybe two books a semester, and it was only because one or two classes would reference a book daily.

To think of all the money I wasted buying books that we never even opened...
 
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