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2012-09-17 06:46:23 PM

quatchi: So no specifics yet just more talk about talking more about specifics?

/Republicans make my head hurt.

Mitt won the GOP nomination by being as vague as possible and re-iterating RW talking points as often as possible and by outspending his opposition ridiculously.

Does he actually think that strategy is good enough to take the WH?


Nope. The Obama campaign is making damn sure the public notices how vague and dishonest the Romney campaign is being, as well as hammering Romney on Bain. Plus, the Obama campaign isn't, y'know, batshiat crazy. Romney only looked good in comparison to Santorum, Gingrich, Bachmann and co.; against Obama, his shady behavior and lack of charisma REALLY stand out.

It won't be a Reagan-esque landslide. The country's been far too divided for far too long for that. But unless something really big happens, Romney won't win.
 
2012-09-17 06:47:05 PM

Testiclaw: Apos: [i745.photobucket.com image 337x279]

"Specifics?! Ummm.....I don't really have to,do I?"

That .gif needs camera flashes spliced between the frames.


Agreed.
 
2012-09-17 06:47:06 PM
"[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

www.anomalousmaterial.com

Whaddaya mean "those people"?
 
2012-09-17 06:48:36 PM

RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."




Oh the irony of someone who was bailed out by the government, getting millions of dollars, complaining about people getting bailed out for dozens of dollars.

He'd be nothing except for his papa's millions. At best, we would have wound up in the gifted aspie class for his inability to relate to people.
 
2012-09-17 06:51:46 PM

RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."


Based on Impaler's observation, will Romney show his 2009 taxes and prove he isn't part of this 47%?
 
2012-09-17 06:52:11 PM

Diogenes: Beautiful. The GOP is running Lucy and Ethel as their candidates.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 552x429] 

Pretty weak article, though.


Please. Like Romney and Ryan has half the planning capability that Lucy and Ethel did. I went to hunt in IMDB for quotes to prove my point, but I got lost is how hilarious a duo Lucy and Ethel were. And that's the one thing Romney and Ryan have in common with Lucy and Ethel: both pairs know how to make me laugh.
 
2012-09-17 06:53:04 PM

coyo: RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."



Oh the irony of someone who was bailed out by the government, getting millions of dollars, complaining about people getting bailed out for dozens of dollars.

He'd be nothing except for his papa's millions. At best, we would have wound up in the gifted aspie class for his inability to relate to people.


Also the irony of someone who won't release his tax returns because he paid such a ridiculously low rate complaining about people who are exempt from paying income taxes (but not payroll taxes).

www.taxpolicycenter.org
 
2012-09-17 06:55:25 PM
"We do think the timing is right to reinforce more specifics about the Romney plan for a strong middle class," said Gillespie, calling the move "more of a natural progression" than any re-tooling of the campaign."

Yeah... about that.

Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei also report that Team Romney, just 50 days before the election, is going to "abruptly" shift its strategy, after Romney advisers concluded "they had to make a painful course correction."
 
2012-09-17 07:01:33 PM

Corvus: RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Cancer victims or others who want to be able to live and have medical care are obviously worse than Hitler.


And people who don't want to starve or freeze to death. Monsters!
 
2012-09-17 07:04:36 PM

fusillade762: Yeah... about that.


To be fair, those remarks were reported hours apart from each other.
 
2012-09-17 07:05:09 PM

Bendal: Romney has also been recorded saying Obama supporters are freeloaders, don't pay income tax and feel entitled to get free food and government assistance. Of course, when you think middle income is equal to $200k, it's easy to get everything else wrong too.


To be fair, that is a misquote. Mittens said middle class was up to between 200-250k, not simply that it was what middle class was.
 
2012-09-17 07:07:53 PM

RevMercutio: Bendal: Romney has also been recorded saying Obama supporters are freeloaders, don't pay income tax and feel entitled to get free food and government assistance. Of course, when you think middle income is equal to $200k, it's easy to get everything else wrong too.

To be fair, that is a misquote. Mittens said middle class was up to between 200-250k, not simply that it was what middle class was.



What did he mean when he said that those earnings 100k/year were not in the middle class?
 
2012-09-17 07:10:10 PM

fusillade762: Corvus: RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

Cancer victims or others who want to be able to live and have medical care are obviously worse than Hitler.

And people who don't want to starve or freeze to death. Monsters!


Damn "entitled" people think that they should be able to live. What the hell are they thinking!! Rich people need a 3 gold pool, why should they give a shiat if a working mother has two kids dying of hunger? They should be taxed and tossed out onto the street!!!
 
2012-09-17 07:10:34 PM

RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."


yikes, it's one thing to shiate this stuff out for the chumps but when you start getting high on your own supply you have no ability to face reality.
 
2012-09-17 07:12:11 PM

AnEvilGuest: RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

yikes, it's one thing to shiate this stuff out for the chumps but when you start getting high on your own supply you have no ability to face reality.


He said this in a "closed door" fund raiser but guess what? People have video cameras.
 
2012-09-17 07:12:54 PM
He's so vague it actually makes me a bit nervous about the debates. I guess I shouldn't be, but I remember 2004 pretty well and Bush lied his ass off through them and won.
 
2012-09-17 07:13:04 PM
brainshavings.com
 
2012-09-17 07:15:10 PM

RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."


You couldn't make this stuff up.
 
2012-09-17 07:16:50 PM
Better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
 
2012-09-17 07:16:50 PM

AnEvilGuest: RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

yikes, it's one thing to shiate this stuff out for the chumps but when you start getting high on your own supply you have no ability to face reality.


I have never heard any major politician articulate such disdain and vitriol for such a large percentage of the population. Talk about waging class warfare. Talk about dividing the country. It's what I'd expect to hear from a radio shock jock, not a candidate from a major party.
 
2012-09-17 07:19:21 PM
Pitting one side against another? Hmmmm

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

That's what that sounds like.
 
2012-09-17 07:21:35 PM
I can't watch/read this sh*t anymore. They are like anthropomorphic stereo instructions.
 
2012-09-17 07:22:34 PM

RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."


I should think 100% of people should believe everyone is entitled to health care, food and housing. Just because an economic system has emerged such that millions of people are always going to be unemployed to protect those with money having it eaten away via inflation, so that the system is managed to ensure there is always competition for those jobs that exist, leading to wages demands not rising too quickly, that is no justification for leaving those excluded from the system to starve and die. In fact quite the reverse, it makes it incumbent on the system to support them - both morally and practically. If they die they don't contribute to competition for wages. Equally if you don't try and retrain them to ensure they can compete for jobs you will just have to accumulate more and more unemployed people to have the same effect.

/holy run on sentence batman
 
2012-09-17 07:23:58 PM
re: the Romney quote about the 47%

ya know, this might explain why Republicans love to goto war so much (yes, Republicans love war).
It's the only solution they can come up with to get rid of poor folk.
 
2012-09-17 07:25:37 PM

coyo: RevMercutio: Bendal: Romney has also been recorded saying Obama supporters are freeloaders, don't pay income tax and feel entitled to get free food and government assistance. Of course, when you think middle income is equal to $200k, it's easy to get everything else wrong too.

To be fair, that is a misquote. Mittens said middle class was up to between 200-250k, not simply that it was what middle class was.


What did he mean when he said that those earnings 100k/year were not in the middle class?


One of the loop holes Romney wants to end is the mortgage interest deduction on "high earners" which is believed to be between $100K and $250K. When he says he wants to close loopholes, it isn't on the rich, it is on the middle-class.
 
2012-09-17 07:26:52 PM
does this smug asshole have any idea that there are other taxes that effect the poor bastards scraping by to survive?
does this silver spoon douche bag have any farking idea what it is like to farking struggle?

does this arrogantly ignorant clown actually have a chance to be president of the united states?
 
2012-09-17 07:31:39 PM
AnEvilGuest:
does this smug asshole have any idea that there are other taxes that effect the poor bastards scraping by to survive?

I would be surprised if he wasn't aware of all forms of taxation in that you have to know what to avoid in order to avoid and given his willingness to release his tax forms, i'd speculate that there's a lot of avoidance going on over in MittensVille.

does this silver spoon douche bag have any farking idea what it is like to farking struggle?

No.

does this arrogantly ignorant clown actually have a chance to be president of the united states?
Possibly, i mean time and time again, the American people have proven themselves to be, simplistic.
 
2012-09-17 07:31:47 PM
Next Obama commercial - A disabled veteran, receiving his disability payment, tax free. A voice over about how Romney hates people who receive government benefits. Smash cut to an elderly woman opening her mailbox in front of her small midwestern house to receive her social security check, voice over about how Romney hates people who think they are entitled to housing. Even better if they can cut the audio of Romney himself over top of the video.
 
2012-09-17 07:32:54 PM

Isitoveryet: I would be surprised if he wasn't aware of all forms of taxation


I'd be willing to bet he has no idea what taxes are or how he avoids them. He pays people to know that stuff for him
 
2012-09-17 07:42:31 PM
Romney/Ryan: "We're going to cut taxes twenty percent across the board, which by itself would launch the federal budget deficit into the stratosphere. However, we're going to avoid this, and indeed even lower the deficit, by cutting a bunch of loopholes at the same time. We'll let Congress decide which ones."
 
2012-09-17 07:50:06 PM

Lost Thought 00: Isitoveryet: I would be surprised if he wasn't aware of all forms of taxation

I'd be willing to bet he has no idea what taxes are or how he avoids them. He pays people to know that stuff for him


damn, i keep forgetting that rich people do nothing for themselves & you are correct.
 
2012-09-17 07:51:07 PM

Skeptos: Romney/Ryan: "We're going to cut taxes twenty percent across the board, which by itself would launch the federal budget deficit into the stratosphere. However, we're going to avoid this, and indeed even lower the deficit, by cutting a bunch of loopholes at the same time. We'll let Congress decide which ones."


No, they truly believe that the money would trickle into the economy, spur spending, and create jobs. Let's just ignore how many jobs the Bush Tax Cuts created, close our eyes, and try again!

HIGHER TAX REVENUES!

F*cking idiots.
 
2012-09-17 07:55:48 PM
Question for TFers, Is there anything in the queue, or maybe even greeened, about Romneys latest self inflicted foot trauma?
By that I meanThis
 
2012-09-17 07:58:26 PM

coyo: RevMercutio: Bendal: Romney has also been recorded saying Obama supporters are freeloaders, don't pay income tax and feel entitled to get free food and government assistance. Of course, when you think middle income is equal to $200k, it's easy to get everything else wrong too.

To be fair, that is a misquote. Mittens said middle class was up to between 200-250k, not simply that it was what middle class was.


What did he mean when he said that those earnings 100k/year were not in the middle class?



["Is $100,000 middle income?" Stephanopoulos asked.
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less," Romney responded.
His campaign later clarified that Romney was referencing household income, not individual income.]


He's saying that $100K is included in middle income but not the definition of it (or the limit of the range). The guy is a tool but this particular point seems a bit unfair.

That definition is at best incomplete, by the way, because he offered no lower limit. I would guess that he's trying to say that 25th to 75th percentile households are "middle income."

(Conflating "middle income" and "middle class" just muddies the discussion anyway; socioeconomic status and annual income are not the same thing.)
 
2012-09-17 07:59:37 PM

Goetz: By that I meanThis


It's in there, but it doesn't really matter. Capt. F*cknuts has no chance of being commander-in-chief. I'd wager my life savings on it. By that I mean, $5.
 
2012-09-17 08:12:55 PM

Goetz: Question for TFers, Is there anything in the queue, or maybe even greeened, about Romneys latest self inflicted foot trauma?
By that I meanThis


Interesting difference in speaking style there.
 
2012-09-17 08:25:02 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Goetz: Question for TFers, Is there anything in the queue, or maybe even greeened, about Romneys latest self inflicted foot trauma?
By that I meanThis

Interesting difference in speaking style there.


Almost seems like a different person. I guess talking to the "little people" makes him deeply uncomfortable.
 
2012-09-17 08:52:16 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: [o.onionstatic.com image 600x337]

It was cute the first time Ryan visited the Romney home and the Romney boys all attacked him like a pack of puppies.


Is that a shooped porn scene? The guy on the bottom looks like he's ready to facedive right in there.
 
2012-09-17 10:25:07 PM

AnEvilGuest: does this smug asshole have any idea that there are other taxes that effect the poor bastards scraping by to survive?
does this silver spoon douche bag have any farking idea what it is like to farking struggle?

does this arrogantly ignorant clown actually have a chance to be president of the united states?


Dude, the gut once used a door on sawhorses as a table.


/ok, so it was a mahogony door on real horses, but still...
 
2012-09-17 11:07:20 PM

xria: RyogaM: "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what," Romney says in this video. "All right - there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe that government has the responsibility to care for them. Who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing."

I should think 100% of people should believe everyone is entitled to health care, food and housing. Just because an economic system has emerged such that millions of people are always going to be unemployed to protect those with money having it eaten away via inflation, so that the system is managed to ensure there is always competition for those jobs that exist, leading to wages demands not rising too quickly, that is no justification for leaving those excluded from the system to starve and die. In fact quite the reverse, it makes it incumbent on the system to support them - both morally and practically. If they die they don't contribute to competition for wages. Equally if you don't try and retrain them to ensure they can compete for jobs you will just have to accumulate more and more unemployed people to have the same effect.

/holy run on sentence batman


Entitled to, no. You will never have 100% of people believe that everyone is entitled to health care, food, and housing until you have made it so that they can only have it provided for them, and not earn it themselves. Those who earn it themselves (or just fool themselves into believing that they do) will never 100% agree that everyone is entitled to it. I can't say that I blame them.

You also, by the way, have proven Mitten's assertion if not the actual nominal portion he presented. There are people who believe they (I assume you are part of 'everyone') are entitled to food, housing, and healthcare. You can hardly claim that he is wrong, only that he may have the figures wrong, or that you disagree with him.

There is much honor in providing for those who cannot provide for themselves. There is very little in wanting to provide for those who won't provide for themselves. There is none in volunteering the money of others without their consent for either purpose.
 
2012-09-17 11:11:28 PM

Unimpressed Man: There is much honor in providing for those who cannot provide for themselves. There is very little in wanting to provide for those who won't provide for themselves. There is none in volunteering the money of others without their consent for either purpose.


Tough shiat. Don't want to be obligated to help the poor with food or medicine? Get the fark out.

That's what they told me about funding [starting] two wars that have lasted longer than WWII.

When I can choose whether or not to subsidize military contractors through the bodies of dead Americans, you can decide American social policy.

/New alt, same old arguments
 
2012-09-17 11:31:16 PM

born_yesterday: Unimpressed Man: There is much honor in providing for those who cannot provide for themselves. There is very little in wanting to provide for those who won't provide for themselves. There is none in volunteering the money of others without their consent for either purpose.

Tough shiat. Don't want to be obligated to help the poor with food or medicine? Get the fark out.

That's what they told me about funding [starting] two wars that have lasted longer than WWII.

When I can choose whether or not to subsidize military contractors through the bodies of dead Americans, you can decide American social policy.

/New alt, same old arguments


I am obligated, but the source of that obligation is not the State, nor is it some commandment from an organized thought. I am obligated to myself as a human, and thus to other humans. I do not feel the need to force my will upon others. Do you assume that I have never helped the poor with food or medicine? I can offer no proof in this medium, but I assure you that you would be incorrect.

I do not recall saying anything regarding my stance on the recent foreign conflicts (they can't be wars, right? Congress would have had to call them that). If you cared to ask, instead of assuming, you might be surprised. Still, I am confused as to how your dismay at the uses of your tax dollars makes it better that others may have their tax dollars used in ways which cause them dismay.

This reply has been very "I" oriented, and I'd rather not do that. I would appreciate it if in future replies we could talk about ideas instead of you attacking me.

/Not an alt. I am what I am.
//Popeye the Sailor Man
///Descartes?
////obscure?
 
2012-09-17 11:41:15 PM

born_yesterday:
That's what they told me about funding [starting] two wars that have lasted longer than WWII.


Hate to snip so much, but when you say they have lasted longer than WWII, would you care to quote the units of measurement? There were single nations in WWII in which 10 times more lives were lost than the entirety of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Units of measure are important for looking at the world from different perspectives.
 
2012-09-18 12:20:39 AM

Bendal: Romney has also been recorded saying Obama supporters are freeloaders, don't pay income tax and feel entitled to get free food and government assistance. Of course, when you think middle income is equal to $200k, it's easy to get everything else wrong too.


Yet, Bush allowed the tax cuts which made us freeloaders. And yet, I pay a higher rate of income tax than Rmoney pays. Who's the freeloader now?
 
2012-09-18 02:15:50 AM

impaler: Ryan told Brody that instead of dictating a specific plan to Congress, a Ryan administration would join Congress to "work on the loopholes

"We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate." - Grover Norquist


I am glad Fark has a smart button because I would feel really bad liking that comment. I like it very little.
 
2012-09-18 02:17:12 AM

Unimpressed Man: born_yesterday:
That's what they told me about funding [starting] two wars that have lasted longer than WWII.


Hate to snip so much, but when you say they have lasted longer than WWII, would you care to quote the units of measurement? There were single nations in WWII in which 10 times more lives were lost than the entirety of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Units of measure are important for looking at the world from different perspectives.


This is a US-centric website. Figure it out.
 
2012-09-18 03:16:41 AM

Sabyen91: Unimpressed Man: born_yesterday:
That's what they told me about funding [starting] two wars that have lasted longer than WWII.


Hate to snip so much, but when you say they have lasted longer than WWII, would you care to quote the units of measurement? There were single nations in WWII in which 10 times more lives were lost than the entirety of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Units of measure are important for looking at the world from different perspectives.

This is a US-centric website. Figure it out.


Measured in US lives there were battles in WWII longer than both Iraq and Afghanistan. So...care to bring anything to the conversation?
 
2012-09-18 04:36:51 AM

Unimpressed Man: Sabyen91: Unimpressed Man: born_yesterday:
That's what they told me about funding [starting] two wars that have lasted longer than WWII.


Hate to snip so much, but when you say they have lasted longer than WWII, would you care to quote the units of measurement? There were single nations in WWII in which 10 times more lives were lost than the entirety of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Units of measure are important for looking at the world from different perspectives.

This is a US-centric website. Figure it out.

Measured in US lives there were battles in WWII longer than both Iraq and Afghanistan. So...care to bring anything to the conversation?


Unimpressed Man: Sabyen91: Unimpressed Man: born_yesterday:
That's what they told me about funding [starting] two wars that have lasted longer than WWII.


Hate to snip so much, but when you say they have lasted longer than WWII, would you care to quote the units of measurement? There were single nations in WWII in which 10 times more lives were lost than the entirety of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Units of measure are important for looking at the world from different perspectives.

This is a US-centric website. Figure it out.

Measured in US lives there were battles in WWII longer than both Iraq and Afghanistan. So...care to bring anything to the conversation?


Right, because "US lives" are a sensible unit with which to measure events "lasting longer."

That may be the single most idiotic post that I have ever read on the internet.

/I hear the new iPhone has a new battery that lasts longer than the old one.
//Oh no! How many US lives does it last?
 
2012-09-18 05:50:29 AM

Unimpressed Man: Hate to snip so much, but when you say they have lasted longer than WWII, would you care to quote the units of measurement?

 

static.guim.co.uk

/Hot like Kayla.
 
2012-09-18 12:53:31 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Unimpressed Man: Sabyen91: Unimpressed Man: born_yesterday:
That's what they told me about funding [starting] two wars that have lasted longer than WWII.


Hate to snip so much, but when you say they have lasted longer than WWII, would you care to quote the units of measurement? There were single nations in WWII in which 10 times more lives were lost than the entirety of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Units of measure are important for looking at the world from different perspectives.

This is a US-centric website. Figure it out.

Measured in US lives there were battles in WWII longer than both Iraq and Afghanistan. So...care to bring anything to the conversation?

Unimpressed Man: Sabyen91: Unimpressed Man: born_yesterday:
That's what they told me about funding [starting] two wars that have lasted longer than WWII.


Hate to snip so much, but when you say they have lasted longer than WWII, would you care to quote the units of measurement? There were single nations in WWII in which 10 times more lives were lost than the entirety of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Units of measure are important for looking at the world from different perspectives.

This is a US-centric website. Figure it out.

Measured in US lives there were battles in WWII longer than both Iraq and Afghanistan. So...care to bring anything to the conversation?

Right, because "US lives" are a sensible unit with which to measure events "lasting longer."

That may be the single most idiotic post that I have ever read on the internet.

/I hear the new iPhone has a new battery that lasts longer than the old one.
//Oh no! How many US lives does it last?


Time is an illusion, but you worry about it as much as you feel necessary.
 
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