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(The Atlantic)   The country's science funding on track to be Plutoed if Congress can't reach a budget agreement by the end of the year   (theatlantic.com) divider line 54
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2012-09-17 03:12:53 PM
Your metaphor is confusing when you realize that Pluto was also the god of wealth.
 
2012-09-17 03:24:31 PM
It's like we're trying to make it as easy as possible for the rest of the world to surpass us.
 
2012-09-17 03:28:40 PM
Perfect timing!
 
2012-09-17 03:51:38 PM
The GOP can't settle for 98% of what they want, so I guess we just kiss it goodbye.
 
2012-09-17 03:58:28 PM
Be honest subby.

This upcoming fiasco will make the debt ceiling debate look downright cordial.
 
2012-09-17 04:45:51 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The GOP can't settle for 98% of what they want, so I guess we just kiss it goodbye.


Dude, the president is a DEMOCRAT. If that one tiny little thing were to change, they wouldn't obstruct anything at all.
 
2012-09-17 04:57:34 PM
So it'll stay exactly what it is now, but just categorized differently?

I'm confused...
 
2012-09-17 05:02:43 PM
So... boned?

www.fisherauto.com
 
2012-09-17 05:22:09 PM
Pluto is a planet, not a verb.
 
2012-09-17 05:27:22 PM

doglover: Pluto is a planet, not a verb.


blueprintreview.co.uk

Pluto is a character, not a planet.
 
2012-09-17 05:34:42 PM

cgraves67: Your metaphor is confusing when you realize that Pluto was also the god of wealth.


BRING IT BACK! (pops)
 
2012-09-17 05:36:34 PM
Pluto sucked as a planet, a cartoon dog and a movie character.
 
2012-09-17 05:49:41 PM
Gosh, I wonder which political persuasion caters to the anti-science crowd and benefits from eliminating said science budget...
 
2012-09-17 06:10:43 PM

Aarontology: It's like we're trying to make it as easy as possible for the rest of the world to surpass us.


That does seem to be the Republican idea.
 
2012-09-17 06:13:42 PM
All science does is attack the Bible. Down with science!
 
2012-09-17 06:17:35 PM
So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?
 
2012-09-17 06:27:00 PM

coco ebert: So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?


Glad the budget for my federal fellowship has already been allocated through graduation next year. I inquired about post-docs in Australia a couple of months ago and the research center I was interested in paid $85k AUD, = $89k USD(!), plus $40k in research funding per year. Other than being closer to family, why would I stay here and make maybe $40k and still have to spend half my time writing grants and trying to land my next post-doc?

/science be expensive, yo
 
2012-09-17 07:03:49 PM
"Hear about Pluto? That's messed up."

www.polyvore.com
 
2012-09-17 07:09:45 PM

Mugato: "Hear about Pluto? That's messed up."

[www.polyvore.com image 300x300]


The Jackal has arrived.
 
2012-09-17 07:10:01 PM

LockeOak: coco ebert: So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?

Glad the budget for my federal fellowship has already been allocated through graduation next year. I inquired about post-docs in Australia a couple of months ago and the research center I was interested in paid $85k AUD, = $89k USD(!), plus $40k in research funding per year. Other than being closer to family, why would I stay here and make maybe $40k and still have to spend half my time writing grants and trying to land my next post-doc?


I can't think of a good reason. So what are you gonna do?
 
2012-09-17 07:15:24 PM
So what?
Nobody can stop this decline, no matter what they study.

The job creators are too greedy to create jobs and that's the end of it.
 
2012-09-17 07:22:21 PM
Are these actual cuts or just reductions in the planned rate of increase? Because when Democrats whine about cuts they are almost always talking about the latter, not the former.
 
2012-09-17 07:26:21 PM

unlikely: Marcus Aurelius: The GOP can't settle for 98% of what they want, so I guess we just kiss it goodbye.

Dude, the president is a DEMOCRAT. If that one tiny little thing were to change, they wouldn't obstruct anything at all.


Nor would we have good things ever again. They're obstructing because no one can see any worth of their schemes. What has the Bush tax cuts fixed yet?
 
2012-09-17 07:46:09 PM
US spending makes up 50% of world's total spending on military.
US debt crisis worsens.
US cuts education, health industry.
Aristocrats?
 
2012-09-17 07:47:18 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: So what?
Nobody can stop this decline, no matter what they study.

The job creators are too greedy to create jobs and that's the end of it.


I know - science don't create no jobs
 
2012-09-17 07:49:21 PM
i128.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-17 07:51:55 PM
By science funding subby means the grants that the respective agencies give to profitable corporations who can afford to fund their scientific endeavors themselves?

When they make a breakthrough in "science" via the money from "the budget" how much do they give back to the american people vs how much do they charge people for their government funded breakthrough?
 
2012-09-17 07:56:09 PM
Its a pity Congress will wait until the election is over to even try to iron things out but such is the nature of politics. Party first though eh?
 
2012-09-17 07:59:08 PM

doglover: Pluto is a

dwarf planet, not a verb.

FTFY
 
2012-09-17 08:01:20 PM
Man, I *knew* I was nuts going into a PhD in physics in this country, in this day and age. Ah well.
 
2012-09-17 08:06:57 PM
You mean no more $10 billion projects to put golf carts on Mars to take pictures of dirt? How will we ever survive?
 
2012-09-17 08:25:31 PM

Felgraf: Man, I *knew* I was nuts going into a PhD in physics in this country, in this day and age. Ah well.


This news comes a month after Gough Jr., an assistant professor of physics, lands his first NSF grant. On the same day, Ms. Gough does the same. I'm not sure of the impact of this impasse, but it can't be good.
 
2012-09-17 08:25:58 PM

Felgraf: Man, I *knew* I was nuts going into a PhD in physics in this country, in this day and age. Ah well.


Service economy, service economy. What have the laws of physics ever done for me? Fark 'em. Now make me a sammich. I gotta go to----uh, actually I'm unemployed right now. I hate serving people.
 
2012-09-17 08:28:43 PM
Good thing Obama saved NASA from W's horror.

/go science!
 
2012-09-17 08:33:02 PM

SevenizGud: You mean no more $10 billion projects to put golf carts on Mars to take pictures of dirt? How will we ever survive?


If everyone thought like this we'd either be extinct or have your choice of being chased by lions on the plains or a bear out of your cave.
 
2012-09-17 08:36:50 PM

BarkingUnicorn: LockeOak: coco ebert: So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?

Glad the budget for my federal fellowship has already been allocated through graduation next year. I inquired about post-docs in Australia a couple of months ago and the research center I was interested in paid $85k AUD, = $89k USD(!), plus $40k in research funding per year. Other than being closer to family, why would I stay here and make maybe $40k and still have to spend half my time writing grants and trying to land my next post-doc?


I can't think of a good reason. So what are you gonna do?


Stay here for a year, finish busting out a few papers that won't be done before I graduate, then perhaps relocate if they offer me a position.

Oh, I did think of a reason--Australian beer is both terrible and expensive.
 
2012-09-17 08:37:49 PM
Number of Martian rovers under Bush? -1 brazillion. BOOOO-ush! BOOOO!

Number of Martian rovers making cool science thanks to Obama? ALL OF THEM!! YAY! OBAMA!!! YAY!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! OOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOWOOOO!

/go science! Let's save science from the Republicrats!
 
2012-09-17 08:45:09 PM
It would help if Reid would take up the bills sent to him by the House of Representatives. Until he goes to work and does more than make up shiat about Romney, the country is going nowhere.
 
2012-09-17 08:56:45 PM

Gough: Felgraf: Man, I *knew* I was nuts going into a PhD in physics in this country, in this day and age. Ah well.

This news comes a month after Gough Jr., an assistant professor of physics, lands his first NSF grant. On the same day, Ms. Gough does the same. I'm not sure of the impact of this impasse, but it can't be good.


The fact that you even know somebody personally that got a major government grant at the same time you did defies all normal probability in the first place; I'd just sit back and enjoy it.

/I would have to apply to the NIH
//Their grants are running at about 5%
 
2012-09-17 09:31:32 PM

born_yesterday: /I would have to apply to the NIH
//Their grants are running at about 5%


I'm going to be starting a postdoc at NIH in the next month, either on a fellowship or hired by a new PI. But the extramural funding is in absolutely terrible shape. It's completely ridiculous that we keep producing more and more STEM graduates but refuse to invest in the basic science that affords STEM careers.
 
2012-09-17 09:34:54 PM

gameshowhost: Gosh, I wonder which political persuasion caters to the anti-science crowd and benefits from eliminating said science budget...


Um...law passed by Congress last year, signed by Obama, cuts budgets of EVERYBODY, but this particular article was focusing on its impact to science budgets...

Maybe you ahould leave this discussion to the grown-ups....
 
2012-09-17 09:37:25 PM

LockeOak: coco ebert: So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?

Glad the budget for my federal fellowship has already been allocated through graduation next year. I inquired about post-docs in Australia a couple of months ago and the research center I was interested in paid $85k AUD, = $89k USD(!), plus $40k in research funding per year. Other than being closer to family, why would I stay here and make maybe $40k and still have to spend half my time writing grants and trying to land my next post-doc?

/science be expensive, yo


I'm ready to leave. Honestly. I have a secure postdoc position, and my NRSA will likely be funded, but I don't want to be a postdoc forever. And what's next? Scrounging for scraps from decimated (literally) NIH and NSF while magically defense contractors (and the athletic department) stays rolling in dough? I'm exhausted and I'm not even 30. I want to have a family and a life outside of the lab. and I'm a *good* scientist.

Currently looking to get a Master's in genetic counseling. It's within my skillset, I get to interact with people, and I can actually make more than minimum wage (after we adjust for hours worked)
 
2012-09-17 09:40:22 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: born_yesterday: /I would have to apply to the NIH
//Their grants are running at about 5%

I'm going to be starting a postdoc at NIH in the next month, either on a fellowship or hired by a new PI. But the extramural funding is in absolutely terrible shape. It's completely ridiculous that we keep producing more and more STEM graduates but refuse to invest in the basic science that affords STEM careers.


Combine this with the decades old battle cry of "We NEED MOAR young people in science!", in order to keep labor costs low, and you have a very disingenuous system that misguides young people into dead-end careers to maintain a supply of cheap labor. Not that this isn't how most of the world works, but most of the world doesn't pretend to live high and mighty in the intellectual white towers.

I never thought that a degree in Molecular and Cell biology would be a dead end career scientifically in the start of the 21st century. How could I not take that bet at the turn of the century?
 
2012-09-17 09:44:41 PM

Gough: Felgraf: Man, I *knew* I was nuts going into a PhD in physics in this country, in this day and age. Ah well.

This news comes a month after Gough Jr., an assistant professor of physics, lands his first NSF grant. On the same day, Ms. Gough does the same. I'm not sure of the impact of this impasse, but it can't be good.


Wow. Congratulations to both of you on seriously beating the odds!!
 
2012-09-17 09:51:41 PM

LockeOak: BarkingUnicorn: LockeOak: coco ebert: So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?

Glad the budget for my federal fellowship has already been allocated through graduation next year. I inquired about post-docs in Australia a couple of months ago and the research center I was interested in paid $85k AUD, = $89k USD(!), plus $40k in research funding per year. Other than being closer to family, why would I stay here and make maybe $40k and still have to spend half my time writing grants and trying to land my next post-doc?


I can't think of a good reason. So what are you gonna do?

Stay here for a year, finish busting out a few papers that won't be done before I graduate, then perhaps relocate if they offer me a position.

Oh, I did think of a reason--Australian beer is both terrible and expensive.


allow me to let you in on a little thing I found out while I was in Australia...

Lots of Aussie girls really Digg American guys. They don't like the Yahoos they normally have over there. Also, there are many worth Googling at. I know for a fact even a guy on Fark can Get Laid. I sure as did have a few Flings. I suggest being a Crawler at the clubs for a bit. in no time you will be a Tiger Directing your own little harem.
 
2012-09-17 09:52:00 PM

pivazena: LockeOak: coco ebert: So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?

Glad the budget for my federal fellowship has already been allocated through graduation next year. I inquired about post-docs in Australia a couple of months ago and the research center I was interested in paid $85k AUD, = $89k USD(!), plus $40k in research funding per year. Other than being closer to family, why would I stay here and make maybe $40k and still have to spend half my time writing grants and trying to land my next post-doc?

/science be expensive, yo

I'm ready to leave. Honestly. I have a secure postdoc position, and my NRSA will likely be funded, but I don't want to be a postdoc forever. And what's next? Scrounging for scraps from decimated (literally) NIH and NSF while magically defense contractors (and the athletic department) stays rolling in dough? I'm exhausted and I'm not even 30. I want to have a family and a life outside of the lab. and I'm a *good* scientist.

Currently looking to get a Master's in genetic counseling. It's within my skillset, I get to interact with people, and I can actually make more than minimum wage (after we adjust for hours worked)


Good luck (sincerely). Sounds like we are facing the same reality. If I can make a comfortable living with a nice life balance, I'll be more than happy.

[Erased a bunch of stuff because I don't need to go on another rant]
 
2012-09-17 09:57:41 PM

DORMAMU: LockeOak: BarkingUnicorn: LockeOak: coco ebert: So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?

Glad the budget for my federal fellowship has already been allocated through graduation next year. I inquired about post-docs in Australia a couple of months ago and the research center I was interested in paid $85k AUD, = $89k USD(!), plus $40k in research funding per year. Other than being closer to family, why would I stay here and make maybe $40k and still have to spend half my time writing grants and trying to land my next post-doc?


I can't think of a good reason. So what are you gonna do?

Stay here for a year, finish busting out a few papers that won't be done before I graduate, then perhaps relocate if they offer me a position.

Oh, I did think of a reason--Australian beer is both terrible and expensive.

allow me to let you in on a little thing I found out while I was in Australia...

Lots of Aussie girls really Digg American guys. They don't like the Yahoos they normally have over there. Also, there are many worth Googling at. I know for a fact even a guy on Fark can Get Laid. I sure as did have a few Flings. I suggest being a Crawler at the clubs for a bit. in no time you will be a Tiger Directing your own little harem.


I could, but then I'd have to Ask Jeeves for a divorce lawyer.
 
2012-09-17 10:01:17 PM

LockeOak: DORMAMU: LockeOak: BarkingUnicorn: LockeOak: coco ebert: So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?

Glad the budget for my federal fellowship has already been allocated through graduation next year. I inquired about post-docs in Australia a couple of months ago and the research center I was interested in paid $85k AUD, = $89k USD(!), plus $40k in research funding per year. Other than being closer to family, why would I stay here and make maybe $40k and still have to spend half my time writing grants and trying to land my next post-doc?


I can't think of a good reason. So what are you gonna do?

Stay here for a year, finish busting out a few papers that won't be done before I graduate, then perhaps relocate if they offer me a position.

Oh, I did think of a reason--Australian beer is both terrible and expensive.

allow me to let you in on a little thing I found out while I was in Australia...

Lots of Aussie girls really Digg American guys. They don't like the Yahoos they normally have over there. Also, there are many worth Googling at. I know for a fact even a guy on Fark can Get Laid. I sure as did have a few Flings. I suggest being a Crawler at the clubs for a bit. in no time you will be a Tiger Directing your own little harem.

I could, but then I'd have to Ask Jeeves for a divorce lawyer.


DAMN!.... i forgot that one.

/well played
 
2012-09-17 10:01:20 PM

legion_of_doo: Number of Martian rovers under Bush? -1 brazillion. BOOOO-ush! BOOOO!

Number of Martian rovers making cool science thanks to Obama? ALL OF THEM!! YAY! OBAMA!!! YAY!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! OOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOWOOOO!

/go science! Let's save science from the Republicrats!


Troll harder?

Yes, because science has a party. Of note, the Mars Exploration Rovers were developed from July 2000-2003. Meanwhile Curiosity was developed from 2004 to 2011. Granted, that was all before the financial crisis which made us forget about funding science unless it was already well funded. Thus Curiosity, JWST. With the closure of all particle accelerators inside of the US, and the closing of the longest running sea lab ever. What comes after Curiosity and JWST? Not much so far. Which is the real worrying part, and both parties share equal blame.
 
2012-09-17 10:08:03 PM

born_yesterday: pivazena: LockeOak: coco ebert: So, can I skip the doctoral dissertation grant application for the NSF, then?

Glad the budget for my federal fellowship has already been allocated through graduation next year. I inquired about post-docs in Australia a couple of months ago and the research center I was interested in paid $85k AUD, = $89k USD(!), plus $40k in research funding per year. Other than being closer to family, why would I stay here and make maybe $40k and still have to spend half my time writing grants and trying to land my next post-doc?

/science be expensive, yo

I'm ready to leave. Honestly. I have a secure postdoc position, and my NRSA will likely be funded, but I don't want to be a postdoc forever. And what's next? Scrounging for scraps from decimated (literally) NIH and NSF while magically defense contractors (and the athletic department) stays rolling in dough? I'm exhausted and I'm not even 30. I want to have a family and a life outside of the lab. and I'm a *good* scientist.

Currently looking to get a Master's in genetic counseling. It's within my skillset, I get to interact with people, and I can actually make more than minimum wage (after we adjust for hours worked)

Good luck (sincerely). Sounds like we are facing the same reality. If I can make a comfortable living with a nice life balance, I'll be more than happy.

[Erased a bunch of stuff because I don't need to go on another rant]


thanks :-/ I'm not sure what I expected from a postdoc. I'm not poor. But i'm always busy. I'm working 60-80 hours a week. Honestly I feel like I'm doing another PhD, and when I look at what postdocs from my grad lab did, it's essentially another dissertation's worth of work in 3 years instead of 5-6. I don't want to do that again!!!
 
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