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2012-09-17 07:09:30 PM

whidbey: ArcadianRefugee: whidbey: incite

"Go kill an American!" --inciting violence

"Muslims are a bunch of sandy-vagina'd pedophile worshippers." --a derogatory statement of fact or opinion, NOT an incitation of violence no matter how much sand some people may have in their vaginas regarding their pedophile prophet

Seriously, the fact that you continue to insist the two are equatable marks you as an idiot or a persistent troll.

Not either, but again it's obvious that no one in here has the least bit of understanding of what the consequences of that movie were. Including you.


You sound concerned. Maybe you should burn down a building.
 
2012-09-17 07:10:17 PM

whidbey: EatTheWorld: whidbey:

In this case, they didn't even have to watch it. The fact that it existed, and contained the objectionable material was enough.


Which is why they can fark off. Bunch of violent savages looking for any reason to kill someone. Yeah, it's a stupid, offensive video. Get over it. Quit being such a bunch of insecure pussies about your religion.

/you can go with them, we were having a fine time in here until your BS
 
2012-09-17 07:17:31 PM
whidbey:
I don't really want to comment on your "we need to punish and publicly shame anyone who does anything that 51% of us don't like" angle, because it doesn't deserve comment if you don't see the problems with that policy yourself, but I do want to help you get your facts straight.

"The Innocence Of Muslims" is not a film by Jones. The only connection between the movie and Jones is that Jones jumped to support it as soon as it became an issue with Muslims. He did not finance, produce, write, direct, edit, act in, or was involved in any other way with the movie. The movie was made by Nakoula Basseley Nakoula under the alias Sam Bassiel. Here is the casting call for it.

Regarding this statement:

Pretty sure the violence regarding the "Innocence of Muslims" happened right away, not at some "indefinite future time."
You're "pretty sure" huh? That's nice. The casting call went out in July 2011. Production started by August '11. I can't find a date of completion, but the one and only public showing was in Hollywood to an estimated crowd of 10 people. On July 2 '12 the English language 14-minute clip was uploaded to Youtube. The Arabic-language clip was uploaded in "early September" and shown on Egyptian TV on September 8th, and riots broke out on September 11th. I'm pretty sure this is exactly what they mean when they say "indefinite future time" between mid-2011 and September 2012.
 
2012-09-17 07:17:48 PM

vernonFL:


Oh I like this one.
 
2012-09-17 07:19:36 PM

the_foo: /you can go with them, we were having a fine time in here until your BS

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it was good until asshat came along... This crazy whitbuy actual believes americans should be punished, by the government, for a movie. Can't imagine what he thinks of conservatives like me.

thanks for showing us modern US liberalism at it's best douchebey
 
2012-09-17 07:21:36 PM

whidbey: Nabb1: whidbey: Yeah actually there is. You should look up the legal definition of "obscene."

Oh, and what is the legal definition of "obscene" and how does this particular film fit it?

The Miller Test states one of the conditions be that a work be "utterly without redeeming social value."


Every one of your posts in this thread meet that definition.
 
2012-09-17 07:21:37 PM
Here's another question for whidbey to ponder:

Why aren't American Muslims rioting over the movie? What do they understand that foreign Muslims don't understand?
 
2012-09-17 07:23:15 PM
Meanwhile, in countries that have no First Amendment: Atheist Activist Arrested for Blasphemy in Egypt
 
2012-09-17 07:24:43 PM
a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2012-09-17 07:30:37 PM

novusordo: Why aren't American Muslims rioting over the movie?


and thank allllah for that too! I make jokes about women because of what might happen... I could be that guy inside from Repo Man 's link
 
2012-09-17 07:31:43 PM
SHIAT! I mean DON'T make fun of women.

/stupid buttons :/
 
2012-09-17 07:33:16 PM
I guess the mooslims have got some things under wraps.. AMIRITE?

/love the ladies :)
 
2012-09-17 07:34:23 PM
The idea that he should be judicially punished for making a stupid, racist piece of crap film is quite dumb. People do not have a right to "not be offended", nomatter how hard certain special interest groups are pushing for it.
 
2012-09-17 07:43:57 PM

whidbey: No, it's actually kind of disturbing to me that pretty much everyone here is content to leave the filmmakers like Jones off the hook,


a. Jones didn't make the video - stop saying he did and stop calling it a film
2. Did they break a law? What do you propose to do, other than the ridiculous things you've already said?

/50% of proceeds, that was precious
 
2012-09-17 07:45:19 PM

Silly Jesus: [i259.photobucket.com image 562x517]


Thank you - farkers were getting way too serious in here.
 
2012-09-17 07:51:50 PM
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-09-17 07:52:47 PM

whidbey: it's obvious that no one in here has the least bit of understanding of what the consequences of that movie were


It's not a movie.

And seriously, if you're not trolling - blow it out your ass with your holier than thou. You're claiming some sort of moral superiority when you can't even be bothered to get a handle on the basic facts. Just because pretty much all of us think you're an idiot for thinking we should make the video producers stand on a street corner wearing a "I'm sorry" sign you think we're ignorant of the death and destruction that followed the press release about the video. Get bent.
 
2012-09-17 07:56:52 PM
lh5.googleusercontent.com

/oblig
 
2012-09-17 07:57:02 PM
i1139.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-17 08:03:16 PM

I_C_Weener: [i586.photobucket.com image 588x535]


What in the blue hell is that on the far left? man? Woman? Bieber???
 
2012-09-17 08:05:34 PM

whidbey: skullkrusher: Do you have the "right" to incite violence with your words or media?

No, you don't. However, to suggest that we limit freedom of expression because of how some savages will react is downright farking unAmerican.

Again, how far does that "freedom of expression" go? I can't cry "fire" in a public theater.

"The Innocence of Muslims" is doing exactly that.


Where would a video of a naked woman in a hijab eating bacon while slaughtering a cow fall
on the freedom of expression scale?
 
2012-09-17 08:10:06 PM

digitalrain:
Where would a video of a naked woman in a hijab eating bacon while slaughtering a cow fall
on the freedom of expression scale?


That falls under "implausible", for "naked woman in a <article of clothing>".
 
2012-09-17 08:10:57 PM

Melvin Lovecraft: [lh5.googleusercontent.com image 512x395]

/oblig


biatch put that cat in the Newsweek cover or else
 
2012-09-17 08:21:53 PM
I'm still waiting for the Tim Tebow version. I'll check back after the Bronco game
 
2012-09-17 08:22:45 PM

whidbey: gilgigamesh: *bows to the master*

Oh knock it off. Are these comments really that far-fetched?

You're saying we have no obligation to deal with Jones on our end?


If Jones commits a crime, we'll deal with the crime.

The Last Temptation of Christ is free speech. Burning a flag is free speech. Burning a book, any book, is also free speech. Free speech is not a crime.
 
2012-09-17 08:23:14 PM
i49.tinypic.com

Seriously people, isn't there somewhere y'all can bicker without being interrupted by funny pictures?
 
2012-09-17 08:24:05 PM

ciberido: whidbey: gilgigamesh: *bows to the master*

Oh knock it off. Are these comments really that far-fetched?

You're saying we have no obligation to deal with Jones on our end?

If Jones commits a crime, we'll deal with the crime.

The Last Temptation of Christ is free speech. Burning a flag is free speech. Burning a book, any book, is also free speech. Free speech is not a crime.


Neither is skateboarding.
 
2012-09-17 08:32:07 PM

whidbey: Zulu_as_Kono: whidbey: Just knock it off.

What? You're being factually inaccurate and exaggeratedly unreasonable.

Just because folks like Nabb1 are all like "oh noes, the State Department is gonna take away my free speech" doesn't give you an excuse.

/but if you're having fun, whatever

No, it's actually kind of disturbing to me that pretty much everyone here is content to leave the filmmakers like Jones off the hook, as I stated when I came in. If that's "lulzy" to you, fine.


It's not lulzy in the slightest. I saw maybe 10min of the film and I wanted to go scrub myself
off in the shower with a brill-o pad afterwards. It was a repulsive, offensive and mean spirited
video with no redeeming value whatsoever. It was so awful that he had to go in and dub
parts in afterward to transform the character of "George" to "Mohammed", etc... because he
knew there was no way any self respecting actor would go along with his "vision" willingly.

But was it the intent of the film maker to incite violence? I don't know. To offend? Yes. To
convey the fact that he despises Islam? Yes. But I don't know that he made the video with
the thought that "If I make this, mooslims everywhere will get mad and riot and be violent
and make everyone hate them!"

Just sayin'
 
2012-09-17 08:33:13 PM
*Checks to see if article was crossed to the 'Politics' tab.

How did that jackhole find his way here?
 
2012-09-17 08:36:00 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-17 08:36:21 PM

Timmy the Tumor: I think we should send a sh*tload of beard trimmers over there as humanitarian aid. Maybe if all of these guys' faces didn't look like nutsacks, they would be in a better mood.


Oh, yes. I LOL'd
 
2012-09-17 08:37:02 PM

vabeard: *Checks to see if article was crossed to the 'Politics' tab.

How did that jackhole find his way here?


Hey! I'm right here you know! You could at least use the preferred nomenclature "knucklehead".
 
2012-09-17 08:38:08 PM

hinten: Angry, in and at their pants.

[www.gunslot.com image 479x386]


I want that shirt! I'll take the blonde as well.
 
2012-09-17 08:43:56 PM
Time to contribute something I guess.  
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i49.tinypic.com 

/One day it will be funny. To someone. Somewhere. Probably someone incontinent, at that.
 
2012-09-17 08:47:40 PM

EatTheWorld: the_foo: /you can go with them, we were having a fine time in here until your BS
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it was good until asshat came along... This crazy whitbuy actual believes americans should be punished, by the government, for a movie. Can't imagine what he thinks of conservatives like me.

thanks for showing us modern US liberalism at it's best douchebey


Don't go lumping someone without common sense in with regular liberals. The concept of being "liberal" is to believe that everyone has the same right to speak. May not agree with you, but you have the right to say it.

We don't want that line of thought attributed to us either.

Whidbey is walking a dangerous path in that once you start editing out what someone considers offensive, the range of opinion becomes narrower and narrower and speech grinds to a halt.
That's not a functional society model.
 
2012-09-17 08:50:21 PM

hinten: Angry, in and at their pants.

[www.gunslot.com image 479x386]


So where is the photo of the Pakistani motel clerk in Kansas with the Fark Your Jeebus T-shirt?
 
2012-09-17 08:54:53 PM

AngryWhiteMale: hinten: Angry, in and at their pants.

[www.gunslot.com image 479x386]

I want that shirt! I'll take the blonde as well.


http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

You might like some of the women folk there too.
 
2012-09-17 08:57:41 PM

novusordo: digitalrain:
Where would a video of a naked woman in a hijab eating bacon while slaughtering a cow fall
on the freedom of expression scale?

That falls under "implausible", for "naked woman in a <article of clothing>".


No, the hijab is just the head scarf part. The burka is is the neck to ankles sack that muslim women wear.
 
2012-09-17 09:14:39 PM
For Newsweeks new outrage photo I give you FARK! Which gives you Huffington Post. Which brings you Newsweek! In a screen shot from a chrome browser running on a powerbook. Man, that's more reach arounds than I can count.

i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-17 09:30:17 PM

optimus_grime: hiding behind some imaginary freedom of speech is pathetic.

if you cross the line, you will get hurt, that's how the real world works.


Our line was crossed when they killed a diplomat in cold blood.
 
2012-09-17 09:35:30 PM
I guess we shouldn't say anything which might offend someone like this:

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Because, ya know, he might kill somebody. 

/He's not any crazier than they are.
 
2012-09-17 09:50:33 PM
s7.postimage.org
 
2012-09-17 09:54:44 PM

whidbey: Voiceofreason01: whidbey: Voiceofreason01: whidbey: Voiceofreason01: whidbey:
Do you have the "right" to incite violence with your words or media?

What words intended in incite violence might look like

Pretty sure that's just a list of grievances. Better luck with some ridiculous false analogy next time.

It's basically a formal declaration of the war.

I'm done with that. It's not even the same thing as the disingenuous movie I'm talking about. Not even close.

Oh Noes! How'd the goalposts get way over there?

Oh Noes! You're going to keep clinging to the same stupid example I tossed out as irrelevant.
Bonus: No free speech in the Colonial Times when it was written.

The honorable thing is to stick to the topic, and specifically, the movie "The Innocence of Muslims."
There is nothing you're going to compare it to.


Quimby or whatever your name is, why haven't you addressed the thousands of Muslims being killed in Syria? No protests there, huh? Does someone need to make movie about it and release it over the internet for the Muslim world to be outraged enough?
 
2012-09-17 10:30:05 PM

xynix: [imageshack.us image 581x679]


I'm laughing so hard I'm choking to death. AHHHHhhhhhh......
 
2012-09-17 10:30:48 PM

whidbey: skullkrusher: Do you have the "right" to incite violence with your words or media?

No, you don't. However, to suggest that we limit freedom of expression because of how some savages will react is downright farking unAmerican.

Again, how far does that "freedom of expression" go? I can't cry "fire" in a public theater.

"The Innocence of Muslims" is doing exactly that.


The rioting and violent twattery is occurring outside of the US. Not in the jurisdiction to attempt a general case against the asshole who made the film.

The widows of the dead Americans might have a case for wrongful death, but it would be a real stretch.
 
2012-09-17 10:37:44 PM

downstairs: Coco LaFemme: Basically this. My dad used to get a subscription to Newsweek, but stopped about 10 years ago, I think. It's steadily gone down hill, rapidly approaching the molten core of the earth.


It wasn't horrible 3-ish years ago, but it rapidly (like in one week) turned into People Magazine But Sorta About Politics And Stuff.  We cancelled.
 
Which sucks, because I like having a paper magazine with good but somewhat lighter political/national/world news content.  Everything has turned either to crap or is far to heavy and detailed for sitting on the toilet quick reading.


I get The Week - culls all the papers and mags for reporting on a variety of issues here and abroad. The longest piece is 2 pages and is at the back of the magazine. Good crosswords too!
 
2012-09-17 11:04:02 PM

whidbey: Pretty sure it's obvious that he not only needs to apologize publicly, but he must also make some kind of atonement involving the raising or donating of millions of dollars either from the proceeds of the movie or his own personal savings to Muslim causes, and then he would also have perform some kind of high-profile community service event in addition to it.



i47.tinypic.com

The full length monty python movie Life of Brian mercilessly mocked and ridiculed the entire story of the life of Jesus from birth to death. Including ridiculing any claim of divinity. I think it's sad that some people in here openly want to outlaw this movie, so that they can bow to terrorism.

Whidbey better lock up John Cleese too. Lol.

/No embassy sieges or pan-national riots from christians over it, BTW. Despite it being shown worldwide in several languages for over 30 years.
 
2012-09-17 11:05:42 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-17 11:10:03 PM
Oddly, some strangely misinformed person in a thread yesterday was trying to make the claim that christians riot and attack embassies the same way muslims do in reaction to such mockery. It was bizarre how passionately he insisted it was true.
 
2012-09-17 11:15:35 PM

tomcatadam: Time to contribute something I guess.  
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[i49.tinypic.com image 575x779] 

/One day it will be funny. To someone. Somewhere. Probably someone incontinent, at that.


Best one yet!
 
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