DeltaPunch: Look, I understand his concerns and I certainly hope we can work together moving forward, but I really wish he'd just STFU and keep his nose out of our erections.
BeesNuts: Yes, but where must the line be drawn?
spelletrader: An ultimatum to issue an ultimatum.
Zoophagous: karnal: Cyclomethkarnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]Democrats are in good company.Hush. Adults are talking.Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.So believing we don't need to start another war in the ME makes someone racist?
Cyclometh: This debate is being framed totally incorrectly. It's not about being Israel's "lap dog" or doing the bidding of "teh jooz".I'm the first to point out that the US has historically been far too uncritically supportive of Israel and would like nothing better than to see us start putting them at a bit more reach diplomatically until they get their shiat together.But from a purely pragmatic perspective, let's look at what's going on- One nation in this little tiff is armed with nuclear weapons and surrounded by hostile nations, more than one of which has vowed their destruction. The other one does not have but is working as diligently as possible to obtain nuclear weapons, and has been unremittingly hostile to the first one and has rejected all attempts to rein in their nuclear ambitions.Does a responsible international community simply throw up its hands and say "whatever, you two. We're done with you two idiots" and let the chips fall where they may? What do you think will happen to energy prices when a couple of conventional bombs drop on Iran and they try to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, maybe sink a US ship or two?And what do you think would happen to energy prices and the world economy if we wake up to a mushroom cloud over Tehran or Tel Aviv?The Obama administration MUST engage on this- even if we don't like it, this is bigger than not liking Israel Or Iran.
karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]Democrats are in good company.
Fark It: Citation please.
Fark It: U.S. intelligence agencies see no evidence Iran is moving towards a bomb
Fark It: Nearly 60% of Americans do not think we should support Israel militarily if a pre-emptive strike touches off a larger conflict in the region
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