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(CNN)   Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu urges the United States to draw a "red line" that Iran cannot cross - which President Barack Obama last week reportedly rejected even though Red is his favorite color   (articles.cnn.com) divider line 73
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2012-09-17 10:18:45 AM
7 votes:

vudukungfu: WHAaaaaaaaaa. Iran is picking on me. Help me, USA!

How about we sit this one out.
You got religeous extremists with guns on both sides.
Allow the problem to self-correct.


Iran isn't stupid enough to start something without provocation, especially given that Ahmadinejad is going to be voted out of office relatively soon, and neither is Israel.

Israel, however, is counting on America being that stupid.

U.S. intelligence agencies see no evidence Iran is moving towards a bomb

Nearly 60% of Americans do not think we should support Israel militarily if a pre-emptive strike touches off a larger conflict in the region

More right-wing lies about Israel and Iran debunked

Now hopefully the Israeli Keyboard Kommandos will stay away now that their talking points are thoroughly debunked.
2012-09-17 10:37:57 AM
6 votes:
How about we draw a red line where we want Israel settlements to stop.
2012-09-17 10:27:27 AM
6 votes:
Sorry. You had better pray for a Romney victory if you want a President who is your lap dog. No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

/commence with the anti-semite remarks.
2012-09-17 01:36:09 PM
5 votes:
Guys, remember. Israel is our closest ally. Why? Because Israel is our closest ally. What do they provide to us? Close allegiance. But where is the trade-off for all their bullshiat? Alliedness, that's what.
2012-09-17 01:21:10 PM
5 votes:
Why does America need to draw the "red line", Yahoo? Last I checked you folks were a sovereign nation with your own military. You got a problem with Iran that you feel needs to be addresses with strong arm tactics, you farking do it and deal with the ramifications.

...Or maybe Israel is only tough when they're shooting at civilians in refugee camps?
2012-09-17 01:21:02 PM
5 votes:
How about this Red Line:

Israel immediately become signatory to the NPT and opens it's nuclear programs to inspection including revealing all past proliferation activities.
2012-09-17 01:38:31 PM
4 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?


Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.
2012-09-17 01:25:03 PM
3 votes:
I, for one, want a President who will not kowtow to foreign leaders and it sounds like Obama is just that leader.
2012-09-17 01:22:38 PM
3 votes:
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal</a>:</b> <i>Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.</i>

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.
2012-09-17 01:22:29 PM
3 votes:

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


1/10

Just a couple questions here for you.

i.dailymail.co.uk
Why does an ally need to send spies to steal information from their friends?

2.bp.blogspot.com
What ally attacks their friend's ships?
2012-09-17 10:39:03 AM
3 votes:

Mugato: Sorry. You had better pray for a Romney victory if you want a President who is your lap dog. No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

/commence with the anti-semite remarks.


That's not going to fly. As the boomers start dying off, less and less Americans are going to support Israel without question, since the younger generation is more secular and really doesn't see the point in using an ancient book written by monks who were drunk and stoned off of moldy bread as a guide for foreign policy. Israel, like the GOP, is fighting a losing demographic battle. I predict a whole lot more Israeli propaganda aimed at "low-information voters" and I wouldn't put it past them to gin something up before the election.
2012-09-17 10:35:18 AM
3 votes:
Bibi--you don't get to tell other countries what to do for you. You want to launch an illegal pre-emptive war on another country, you're on your own. Hopefully your populace will be able to restrain you, but that is up to them.
2012-09-17 10:03:47 AM
3 votes:
WHAaaaaaaaaa. Iran is picking on me. Help me, USA!

How about we sit this one out.
You got religeous extremists with guns on both sides.
Allow the problem to self-correct.
2012-09-17 07:30:47 PM
2 votes:
I love how people like the war troll in this thread equate anything less than complete and total subjugation to Israel's will as the equivalent of being an oven guard at Auschwitz.

Hi, no. This whole "either you do what Israel says or else you are a Muslim loving genocide lover" line of argument is just as specious as most false equivalency GOP arguments.

I don't particularly give a shiat about Muslims, Jews, or Christians, and their farking holy land means less than nothing. I DO give a shiat about the American lives people like you trolls think are worth pissing away in a region that really, fark the, all.

Here is hoping those automatic budget cuts kick in and cripple the military's ability to go on extracurricular adventures. Defending America doesn't require more mid east adventuring.
2012-09-17 04:49:43 PM
2 votes:
anendtoempire.files.wordpress.com

Go ahead and draw your red line, Israel. What you telling us about it for?
2012-09-17 03:48:57 PM
2 votes:

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


Israel has never been our 'ally'. An alliance is a two way cooperation. I think the word you're looking for is parasite.
2012-09-17 03:40:28 PM
2 votes:

Raoul Eaton: It would be cute that Netanyahu thinks he can dictate U.S. foreign policy, if it weren't so pernicious.



BibiCo has many friends in powerful positions in US politics, academia, industry, and most importantly, media.

Keep an eye on the other hand (s).
2012-09-17 03:02:53 PM
2 votes:
Im still hoping Israel will exercise the Samson Option and wipe out the mideast. Two birds with one stone.
2012-09-17 02:24:30 PM
2 votes:

Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.


How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?
2012-09-17 02:05:07 PM
2 votes:

karnal: Mugato

karnal: Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.

So was your feable attempt at a response.

Okay, you want a response? You're equating anyone who questions our unconditional and one way support of Israel to Jew haters and Nazis. There's no rational way to respond to something like that so help me out.

Then why does support for Israel seem to run along party lines?
In the last 15 years or so Palestinian Nationalism began to infiltrated into the Left's dogma....it probably has to do with the whole "the enemy (fundamentalist Islam) of my enemy (fundamentalist Christianity) is my friend," menality....because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.


Or you know, maybe we are tired of supporting a fundamentalist regime that basically only exists because of leftover WWII guilt. We're sick of giving them free military infrastructure, sick of just forking over plane loads of cash. Sick of being tied to their militarist, fundamentalist behavior, and having their misdeeds attributed to our support. We're also sick of this supposed ally treating us line an enemy, infiltrating us with spies, and treating us like their chained war slaves.

Maybe someday Israel will grow up, act like adults, and actually join the world community instead if acting like superior petulant children. We OWE them NOTHING, but they treat us like a dog, because that's how people like you act.

If Bibi smeared peanut butter on his genitals, you would lick his dong line a good dog.
2012-09-17 01:56:17 PM
2 votes:
One of these days, Bibi is going to overplay his hand and then crap his pants when he sees that we don't have his back.
2012-09-17 01:44:19 PM
2 votes:

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?

Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.


I would suggest that if Israel truly is concerned about nuclear proliferation that they sign the NPT and abide by all it's strictures. Until they do we should not lift a finger to assist them.
2012-09-17 01:35:28 PM
2 votes:

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


When Biden visited Israel, they restarted building settlements during his visit (even though they knew that the political interpretation for that was a big fark you to America). If Bibi wants to be treated with respect by the American president when he visits, he shouldn't have farked up the visit by the President's highest ranking envoy. (And our nations are not equals. When Israel pays for its defense like a big boy, then it can pretend to be an equal. The amount of respect and deference from them should be greater than the amount of respect and deference we owe). Obama or any other American president can cancel on a meeting with Israeli leaders for whatever reason, whenever (And the Israelis should just say thanks for the support and smile).
2012-09-17 01:25:04 PM
2 votes:
Yeah, vassal states don't get to dictate policy for the empire.

He wants a "red line" because then he's one phony intel report away from his war. Obama and H-Rod are having none of it. Why should Bibi farking Netanyahu get to dictate American policy for the entire mid-east?
2012-09-17 01:24:28 PM
2 votes:
It's high time for the US to reevaluate its strategic policy on Israel and how it relates to the rest of the Middle East. I can't see many people in the US supporting Israel as an ally going into the future if they drag us into another Mideast war... if Benny manipulates our election with a preemptive attack I can only hope we start storming some Israeli embassies/consulates in this country.

/a guy can wish
2012-09-17 01:23:42 PM
2 votes:
Hi dickheads(Israeli military). We aren't your farkng war slaves. You want to provoke yet another war, I hope you get ground to sausage.

Israel: the most destabilizing influence in the middle east. As someone that loves Jews in general, Israel as a nation can pretty much just go and fark off and die.

When Netanyahu is calling someone else a dangerous fundamentalist, we are through the looking glass.
2012-09-17 01:22:45 PM
2 votes:
It has been United States' policy, both under Barack Obama and the Presidents that preceded him, that Iran must not achieve nuclear weapons. To do so require breaking seals in its facilities that the international community would be aware of.

Israel (Netanyahu) insists that the definition must be that Iran must not achieve the capability to have nuclear weapons. A capability is far more vague. It could mean that at some point in the future they might be able to create a nuclear weapon.

There you have it.
2012-09-17 01:22:41 PM
2 votes:
So, when is Netanyahu going to provide the intelligence to support his claims that they've ramped up production dramatically since July when they were saying it would be two years? Oh, and we'd like the evidence to back his implications that Shiaa clerics in Tehran are the ones who ordered Salafist Sunnis to riot in Libya and got Ambassador Stevens killed. If we have that it certainly seems like a good cause for war. Until we can weigh the evidence you claim to have, kind of hard for us to act on it.

The only news I've seen about Iran in the last month or so is how panicked they are that the value of the rial has cratered due to sanctions. No new fighting words, though I haven't exactly been looking out for them. Ahh, but obviously the silence is proof that they are plotting.
2012-09-17 01:19:31 PM
2 votes:

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.


Hush. Adults are talking.
2012-09-17 01:15:21 PM
2 votes:
How about we draw that line at the Iranian border. If Iran moves military hardware across their border, then we intervene. Until that happens, stfu Zionist
2012-09-17 10:37:21 AM
2 votes:

Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.


Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.
2012-09-17 10:28:57 AM
2 votes:
Invisible arbitrary lines? Sounds like someone wants Bush back. No wonder Bibi is backing Romney.
2012-09-17 10:12:07 AM
2 votes:
golf clap. Damn near made we waste coffee. Well done submitter.
2012-09-18 06:49:07 AM
1 votes:
images.45cat.com

Bibi is just playing head games here.

/Hot.
2012-09-17 07:06:42 PM
1 votes:

kbronsito: How about we draw a red line where we want Israel settlements to stop.

2012-09-17 05:27:35 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.



Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.
2012-09-17 05:26:55 PM
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom:And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?

They could just stay where they are and get used to the idea of being Palestinian Jews instead of Israelis.


I'll agree with badaboom in one respect... what you suggested is not a realistic option. At this point, if the nation of Israel somehow goes away, jews that live in that area will never be safe. I understand what you are saying... that perhaps never creating a 'nation of Israel' in '48 (or whatever) would probably have been the best decision, but that didn't happen and thinking that Israel could be disbanded and go back to the way things were before '48 is wishful thinking at best. If Israel falls, there will be genocide (again) for sure. If we're going to stop genocide, we might as well support Israel as it stands today... at least as far as 'support' means 'preventing the country from being eliminated'. I'm 100% against Israel dictating US middle-east policy, but there really isn't much choice but supporting the state of Israel at this point. That doesn't mean preemptively attacking Iran by any means, but it is what it is.
2012-09-17 05:05:34 PM
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-09-17 03:52:39 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear. Can't remember the last time Pakistan or China threatened to destroy anyone/



Yes, Iran has been assassinating Israel's scientists, sabotaging their computer systems, and blowing up Israel's power lines, along with their daily threats to bomb the shiat out poor little Israel.

Or is it the other way around?
2012-09-17 03:42:49 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: theknuckler_33: badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.

Really? I thought we were picking sides. I have not heard anyone in this thread put any blame on the belligerence of Iran. According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.

Then you obviously don't know how to read. People realize that Israel has been telling the world that Iran is a 'few years away' from getting nuclear weapons for 20 farking years trying to goad the US into attacking them. People rightly are annoyed that Israel has dictated US policy in the ME since at least the 60s and basically are saying "no, israel, we're not going to preemptively strike Iran for you". This in no way is a statement that "Iran has done nothing to make Israel concerned".

English, mother-farker, do you speak it?

Are you concerned about the following scenario: Iran does have a nuclear bomb and will use it as soon as possible to destroy Israel and all its citizens. If the only way to prevent this was a strike would you support it? What do you suggest be our response if Iran does bomb Israel?


I am about as concerned about that as I am that Pakistan or China might start lobbing nukes, which is to say, not very much. Foreign policy of a world super-power should not be dictated by pants-wetting cowards who think their imminent destruction is just around the corner. If Iran bombs Israel then we, and Israel, and a whole host of other countries as well, will respond. That's the way things used to be, you got into a war because you were attacked.

But getting back to the point, your strawman that 'libs have contempt for israel as a nation' is indeed a strawman. Noone said Iran has done nothing to be concerned about. There would be a hell of a lot more rational discussion and cooperation if people like you would at least be rational enough to understand the point of views of other people.

And yes, I'm aware of the irony of me speaking about rational discussion after using the phrase 'pants-wetting cowards' in the previous paragraph... but I figured rational discussion at this point was pretty much off the table, so might as well let loose.
2012-09-17 03:36:04 PM
1 votes:
We'll assist Israel in their crusade with our superior military if they assist us with our serious lack of medical coverage for our citizens with their superior health care system.

It can't just be a one way street.
2012-09-17 03:33:24 PM
1 votes:

vudukungfu: WHAaaaaaaaaa. Iran is picking on me. Help me, USA!


No Israel, you're a big boy now, mommy can't fight your battles for you forever you know.
2012-09-17 03:28:09 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.



If that be the case, I agree with this thread.
2012-09-17 03:28:01 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.

Really? I thought we were picking sides. I have not heard anyone in this thread put any blame on the belligerence of Iran. According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.


Then you obviously don't know how to read. People realize that Israel has been telling the world that Iran is a 'few years away' from getting nuclear weapons for 20 farking years trying to goad the US into attacking them. People rightly are annoyed that Israel has dictated US policy in the ME since at least the 60s and basically are saying "no, israel, we're not going to preemptively strike Iran for you". This in no way is a statement that "Iran has done nothing to make Israel concerned".

English, mother-farker, do you speak it?
2012-09-17 03:23:37 PM
1 votes:

beta_plus: Parthenogenetic: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.

Israel and Islamic nations are both equally bad, so let muslims murder american diplomats!


No, it's more like: it's in our best interest to let them mutually destroy one another and rid the earth of two groups of fundamentalists that are stepping over each other to see who has the bigger god penis.
2012-09-17 03:18:07 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link


Uh huh, so we should piss a few hundred trillion dollars away on another ill defined land war.. Because Israel is kinda free(if you are Jewish), and Iran has censorship!

Why is the GOP so intent on making sure we kick off ww3 in our lifetimes? Literally every mid east nation but the Saudis would join against us. Russia and China would aid Iran with money and arms. And BAM, yet another cold war proxy war.

That's your wet dream, perpetual war. After all, it's not like billionaires like romneybot will be harmed, right.

Well. How much is RomneyPAC paying you per post to shill yet more wars we don't really care about and can't afford?
2012-09-17 02:58:03 PM
1 votes:

BeesNuts: Yes, but where must the line be drawn?


"you broke your little ships"
2012-09-17 02:45:18 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: Mugato: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

You're just not getting it. It's one thing to support a nation and give them shiatloads of aid. It quite another to attack every nation that they tell us to on their whim alone. Is this getting through to you at all?

If Iran gets a nuclear bomb there will be global implications.


There are global implications to Israel having the bomb. There are global implications to the US having the bomb.
2012-09-17 02:43:24 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


Iran.
2012-09-17 02:35:45 PM
1 votes:

badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.
2012-09-17 02:31:53 PM
1 votes:
You want a red line Bibi? There's a Red Line in Chicago, it runs from Howard Avenue south to 95th Street. There's your farking red line asshole.
2012-09-17 02:28:26 PM
1 votes:

karnal: It's not the criticism - it's the abandonment.


Not allowing ourselves to be terminator to their SkyNet is not "abandoning" them. We still give them obscene amounts of foeign aid and another obscene amounts in appeasement to Egypt to not attack Israel. But in your estimation, if we don't completely hand Israel the keys to our foreign policy as Romney wants to, we're all a bunch of antisemite Nazis. Way to play the hell out of that card.
2012-09-17 02:23:45 PM
1 votes:

kbronsito: indylaw: How on earth would we even know? Even various Israeli officials cannot agree how far along and how serious the Iranians are about developing nuclear weapons. Some think we're years away from a threat, while others insist they're only weeks away. Try getting a straight answer on Iran's capabilities.

So let's say we set a bright line. "Iran must not obtain more that 5 kg of enriched uranium OR ELSE." How would we know if they crossed that line? Setting some arbitrary "red line" is in essence either useless posturing or a tacit admission that we're just going to assume the worst and that warfare is assured.

I'm tired of the games. I'm tired of that cretin presuming to tell the United States what to do.

I'm no expert on nuclear non-proliferation, but I do keep up with it on news and websites like Federation of American Scientists. And it seems to me that anyone that knew anything about nuclear weapons, thought that Iraq was way behind Iran in development. So we invaded Iraq in 2003 because of its "nuclear program" and the nation that was more advanced hasn't even conducted a test almost 10 years later.

Somehow this doesn't inspire confidence on people an organizations with their own agendas telling us about the nuclear capabilities of certain nations.


Yeah, if Iran were fueling up theater ballistic missiles as we speak, I could understand the urgency. Hell, if someone could provide concrete evidence that the Iranians are both a) actively developing a nuclear weapon and b) have solved most of the technological and manufacturing challenges in assembling a viable weapon, I'd understand the United States stepping in and bombing the crap out of them.

But the most we have been given, at least publicly, is that the Iranians hate Israel (well, sure) and that they have built centrifuges which are necessary to enrich uranium to weapons-ready material (and also to prepare it for nonmilitary purposes). In the mean time we've crippled their economy and used highly sophisticated computer viruses to sabotage Iranian equipment (allegedly). If it's urgent, show some evidence. We can't blow hundreds of billions of dollars, sacrifice American lives, balloon oil prices and risk a wider war simply on Bibi's hunch.
2012-09-17 02:17:13 PM
1 votes:
How about Israel take the billions of dollars in aid we give them and farking defend themselves from the assholes they're being assholes to?

At this point, fark all of them. There are no "good guys" over there for us to ally with. They can sort it out on their own, and if whoever survives continues being assholes, we can squash them and rid the region of assholes.
2012-09-17 02:13:47 PM
1 votes:

Cyclometh: You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away


Telling Netanyahu to work it out for himself isn't "walking away", it's refusing to commit outselves to the consequences of his brinkmanship. We're still arming the Israeli military, perhaps that should be the extent of our involvement at this point. Don't kid yourself, Israel isn't our ally in the region, Israel is Israel's ally.
2012-09-17 02:13:00 PM
1 votes:

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:

We can't stop Israelis and Iranians from killing each other. We are not all powerful. To think that the US can prevent Iranian and Israeli deaths against the wishes of both sides is pure hubris.

Well, unless I missed something there's not an open state of war between the two countries, so that's something. I'd rather we stay in the discussion and find peaceful solutions. It would be vastly irresponsible to just walk away- not only to the US but to the world. There's far more at stake than a few square miles of desert and some holy sites here.

And if in the end force is necessary, then it is. That's not advocating violence, it's acknowledging that sometimes it is. And yes, people die. You don't have to like it but we don't live in a world that gives a fark if you like it. The best we can do is work toward a world where it's not necessary for that to happen.

But simply telling Israel to cram it up their cram-hole is most emphatically NOT a step in the direction of peace. I take comfort in one thing- Obama is far less likely to just go "bring them on" and slap his dick on the table than the GOP would.


Asking Israel to abide by the treaty they want enforced by US military power is telling them to "cram it up their cram-hole'?
2012-09-17 02:05:54 PM
1 votes:
...

How about NOT feeding the obvious troll?
2012-09-17 02:04:00 PM
1 votes:

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
How many of your fellow soldiers are you willing to see die to get it done?

You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away. And you know it, too. So I'll just put a question to you that's just as mendacious and full of shiat.

How many Israelis and Iranians are you willing to see die just so you can stick it to Israel?


We can't stop Israelis and Iranians from killing each other. We are not all powerful. To think that the US can prevent Iranian and Israeli deaths against the wishes of both sides is pure hubris.
2012-09-17 01:59:25 PM
1 votes:
How on earth would we even know? Even various Israeli officials cannot agree how far along and how serious the Iranians are about developing nuclear weapons. Some think we're years away from a threat, while others insist they're only weeks away. Try getting a straight answer on Iran's capabilities.

So let's say we set a bright line. "Iran must not obtain more that 5 kg of enriched uranium OR ELSE." How would we know if they crossed that line? Setting some arbitrary "red line" is in essence either useless posturing or a tacit admission that we're just going to assume the worst and that warfare is assured.

I'm tired of the games. I'm tired of that cretin presuming to tell the United States what to do.
2012-09-17 01:55:34 PM
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spelletrader: An ultimatum to issue an ultimatum.


Shouldn't we give a penultimatum first? 

/For the second to last time, Iran, stop it!
2012-09-17 01:37:19 PM
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We really need to help Israel.

Here ya go Bibi:

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Knock yourself out
2012-09-17 01:37:00 PM
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karnal: Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.

So was your feable attempt at a response.


Okay, you want a response? You're equating anyone who questions our unconditional and one way support of Israel to Jew haters and Nazis. There's no rational way to respond to something like that so help me out.
2012-09-17 01:31:22 PM
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karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.


No sorry. They are not. This is another case of you right wing tards believing shiat that has no actual, factual basis.

Also, "allies" don't constantly practice high level espionage against you. fark em.
2012-09-17 01:29:31 PM
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lilbjorn: Romney surrogate Netanyahu


This.

That is how he should be addressed from now until the election.
2012-09-17 01:19:07 PM
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TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


0/10

Total fail.
2012-09-17 01:18:29 PM
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Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk
Democrats are in good company.
2012-09-17 01:12:56 PM
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I don't want to die.
2012-09-17 12:58:36 PM
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DeltaPunch: Look, I understand his concerns and I certainly hope we can work together moving forward, but I really wish he'd just STFU and keep his nose out of our erections.


Gives a whole new meaning to the term Nose Job.
2012-09-17 11:29:31 AM
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Elandriel: WTF is this, if we don't sell them guns someone else will?


Yes, and with that comes a change of influence.

Elandriel: I'll see your "they have guns from different sources" and raise you "we spend more on our military than the entire rest of the world combined."


Sure, the US has a powerful military; Iraq & Afghanistan were cakewalks.

Hey, I'm no hawk and I'd love to see Israel and the Middle East be cut off from western munition supplies; I'm saying no US administration will ever walk away from it and the suggestion is fantasy.
2012-09-17 11:17:01 AM
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Bob_Laublaw: Somacandra: Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.

Sure, then some of the other top five arms dealing countries can step up fill the void, likely Russia and China. Nope, can't see a downside for the US there.


WTF is this, if we don't sell them guns someone else will? So, let them be the dickbags then. I'll see your "they have guns from different sources" and raise you "we spend more on our military than the entire rest of the world combined."
2012-09-17 10:59:52 AM
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Bob_Laublaw: Somacandra: Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.

Sure, then some of the other top five arms dealing countries can step up fill the void, likely Russia and China. Nope, can't see a downside for the US there.


Because it's not like Israel is already a duplicitous, underhanded trading partner of either of those two countries, especially when it comes to military hardware,......
2012-09-17 10:54:35 AM
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Look, I understand his concerns and I certainly hope we can work together moving forward, but I really wish he'd just STFU and keep his nose out of our erections.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-17 10:33:12 AM
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Maybe Bibi could use some of that money we give him and draw his own farking line.
 
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