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(CNN)   Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu urges the United States to draw a "red line" that Iran cannot cross - which President Barack Obama last week reportedly rejected even though Red is his favorite color   (articles.cnn.com) divider line 304
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2012-09-17 10:03:47 AM  
WHAaaaaaaaaa. Iran is picking on me. Help me, USA!

How about we sit this one out.
You got religeous extremists with guns on both sides.
Allow the problem to self-correct.
 
2012-09-17 10:12:07 AM  
golf clap. Damn near made we waste coffee. Well done submitter.
 
2012-09-17 10:18:45 AM  

vudukungfu: WHAaaaaaaaaa. Iran is picking on me. Help me, USA!

How about we sit this one out.
You got religeous extremists with guns on both sides.
Allow the problem to self-correct.


Iran isn't stupid enough to start something without provocation, especially given that Ahmadinejad is going to be voted out of office relatively soon, and neither is Israel.

Israel, however, is counting on America being that stupid.

U.S. intelligence agencies see no evidence Iran is moving towards a bomb

Nearly 60% of Americans do not think we should support Israel militarily if a pre-emptive strike touches off a larger conflict in the region

More right-wing lies about Israel and Iran debunked

Now hopefully the Israeli Keyboard Kommandos will stay away now that their talking points are thoroughly debunked.
 
2012-09-17 10:27:27 AM  
Sorry. You had better pray for a Romney victory if you want a President who is your lap dog. No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

/commence with the anti-semite remarks.
 
2012-09-17 10:28:57 AM  
Invisible arbitrary lines? Sounds like someone wants Bush back. No wonder Bibi is backing Romney.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-17 10:33:12 AM  
Maybe Bibi could use some of that money we give him and draw his own farking line.
 
2012-09-17 10:35:18 AM  
Bibi--you don't get to tell other countries what to do for you. You want to launch an illegal pre-emptive war on another country, you're on your own. Hopefully your populace will be able to restrain you, but that is up to them.
 
2012-09-17 10:37:21 AM  

Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.


Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.
 
2012-09-17 10:37:57 AM  
How about we draw a red line where we want Israel settlements to stop.
 
2012-09-17 10:39:03 AM  

Mugato: Sorry. You had better pray for a Romney victory if you want a President who is your lap dog. No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

/commence with the anti-semite remarks.


That's not going to fly. As the boomers start dying off, less and less Americans are going to support Israel without question, since the younger generation is more secular and really doesn't see the point in using an ancient book written by monks who were drunk and stoned off of moldy bread as a guide for foreign policy. Israel, like the GOP, is fighting a losing demographic battle. I predict a whole lot more Israeli propaganda aimed at "low-information voters" and I wouldn't put it past them to gin something up before the election.
 
2012-09-17 10:54:35 AM  
Look, I understand his concerns and I certainly hope we can work together moving forward, but I really wish he'd just STFU and keep his nose out of our erections.
 
2012-09-17 10:57:51 AM  

Somacandra: Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.


Sure, then some of the other top five arms dealing countries can step up fill the void, likely Russia and China. Nope, can't see a downside for the US there.
 
2012-09-17 10:59:52 AM  

Bob_Laublaw: Somacandra: Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.

Sure, then some of the other top five arms dealing countries can step up fill the void, likely Russia and China. Nope, can't see a downside for the US there.


Because it's not like Israel is already a duplicitous, underhanded trading partner of either of those two countries, especially when it comes to military hardware,......
 
2012-09-17 11:06:56 AM  
I got an email from my dad about how to best support Israel in the "inevitable war" that is about to come. I facepalmed pretty hard.
 
2012-09-17 11:17:01 AM  

Bob_Laublaw: Somacandra: Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.

Sure, then some of the other top five arms dealing countries can step up fill the void, likely Russia and China. Nope, can't see a downside for the US there.


WTF is this, if we don't sell them guns someone else will? So, let them be the dickbags then. I'll see your "they have guns from different sources" and raise you "we spend more on our military than the entire rest of the world combined."
 
2012-09-17 11:22:41 AM  

Fark It: U.S. intelligence agencies see no evidence Iran is moving towards a bomb


They also told us that Iraq had WMDs. We have quote after quote from the leadership of Iran talking about wiping Israel off the map with waves of fire. Do you think he is talking about napalm?

Fark It: Nearly 60% of Americans do not think we should support Israel militarily if a pre-emptive strike touches off a larger conflict in the region


The vast majority of Americans can't find Israel on a map. Anyway the decision to go to war isn't and shouldn't be up for a vote. We hire people for things like that. We go flooding into Iran I had better not get an address from the Oval Office that states "Well X% of you thought it was a good idea so lets go!".
 
2012-09-17 11:29:31 AM  

Elandriel: WTF is this, if we don't sell them guns someone else will?


Yes, and with that comes a change of influence.

Elandriel: I'll see your "they have guns from different sources" and raise you "we spend more on our military than the entire rest of the world combined."


Sure, the US has a powerful military; Iraq & Afghanistan were cakewalks.

Hey, I'm no hawk and I'd love to see Israel and the Middle East be cut off from western munition supplies; I'm saying no US administration will ever walk away from it and the suggestion is fantasy.
 
2012-09-17 11:29:42 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: U.S. intelligence agencies see no evidence Iran is moving towards a bomb

They also told us that Iraq had WMDs.


The were divided, at best, Dick Cheney just chose to cherry-pick bits of data that supported neocon warmongering.

The vast majority of Americans can't find Israel on a map. Anyway the decision to go to war isn't and shouldn't be up for a vote. We hire people for things like that. We go flooding into Iran I had better not get an address from the Oval Office that states "Well X% of you thought it was a good idea so lets go!".

But the consequences are always determined by the voters.

We have quote after quote from the leadership of Iran talking about wiping Israel off the map with waves of fire. Do you think he is talking about napalm?

Citation please.
 
2012-09-17 11:32:28 AM  
Nebuchadnezzar Haman BabylonBama is no friend of Israel.
 
2012-09-17 11:40:20 AM  
I don't know if trying to force American into your war is the best idea on how to win friends and support, Bibi. Sure that 40% is going to be blindly behind you not matter what you say or how much of a puppet you want America to be, but there are some other people out there voting this year that might not take too kindly to it. Might want to be a tad more cautious sticking your nose into US elections.
 
2012-09-17 11:43:09 AM  

Fark It: Citation please.


The ADL. I'm not saying that they are the most unbiased source in the world. However they do back up their sources very well.

And that will be a 5 dollar research fee.
 
2012-09-17 11:59:03 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: Nearly 60% of Americans do not think we should support Israel militarily if a pre-emptive strike touches off a larger conflict in the region

The vast majority of Americans can't find Israel on a map


You're right, that's why support of Israel is as high as 40%.
 
2012-09-17 12:00:19 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Fark It: Citation please.

The ADL. I'm not saying that they are the most unbiased source in the world. However they do back up their sources very well.

And that will be a 5 dollar research fee.


Really? The ADL?

Ahmadinejad never said Israel should be "wiped off the map."
 
2012-09-17 12:19:57 PM  

DeltaPunch: Look, I understand his concerns and I certainly hope we can work together moving forward, but I really wish he'd just STFU and keep his nose out of our erections.


holy fark I really typed that didn't I? ELECTIONS....

/shouldn't type before coffee
//*grumble*
 
2012-09-17 12:58:36 PM  

DeltaPunch: Look, I understand his concerns and I certainly hope we can work together moving forward, but I really wish he'd just STFU and keep his nose out of our erections.


Gives a whole new meaning to the term Nose Job.
 
2012-09-17 01:12:56 PM  
I don't want to die.
 
2012-09-17 01:14:30 PM  
Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.
 
2012-09-17 01:15:21 PM  
How about we draw that line at the Iranian border. If Iran moves military hardware across their border, then we intervene. Until that happens, stfu Zionist
 
2012-09-17 01:16:22 PM  

airsupport: I don't want to die.


You've got so much to give.
 
2012-09-17 01:17:13 PM  

vudukungfu: WHAaaaaaaaaa. Iran is picking on me. Help me, USA!

How about we sit this one out.
You got religeous extremists with guns on both sides.
Allow the problem to self-correct.


Because Israel has nukes and would absolutely use them pre-emptively if international pressure and conventional warfare to stop Iran either fail or do not materialize.

Personally, I would prefer not to find out what the aftermath of a limited nuclear engagement between Israel and Iran looks like, regardless of who pulled the trigger.
 
2012-09-17 01:17:18 PM  
An ultimatum to issue an ultimatum.
 
2012-09-17 01:18:29 PM  
Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk
Democrats are in good company.
 
2012-09-17 01:19:07 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


0/10

Total fail.
 
2012-09-17 01:19:31 PM  

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.


Hush. Adults are talking.
 
2012-09-17 01:21:02 PM  
How about this Red Line:

Israel immediately become signatory to the NPT and opens it's nuclear programs to inspection including revealing all past proliferation activities.
 
2012-09-17 01:21:10 PM  
Why does America need to draw the "red line", Yahoo? Last I checked you folks were a sovereign nation with your own military. You got a problem with Iran that you feel needs to be addresses with strong arm tactics, you farking do it and deal with the ramifications.

...Or maybe Israel is only tough when they're shooting at civilians in refugee camps?
 
2012-09-17 01:22:18 PM  

Fark It: Really? The ADL?

Ahmadinejad never said Israel should be "wiped off the map."



ok lets take that one single one off the table. I could argue but why? I've got another thousand quotes.
 
2012-09-17 01:22:29 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


1/10

Just a couple questions here for you.

i.dailymail.co.uk
Why does an ally need to send spies to steal information from their friends?

2.bp.blogspot.com
What ally attacks their friend's ships?
 
2012-09-17 01:22:38 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal</a>:</b> <i>Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.</i>

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.
 
2012-09-17 01:22:41 PM  
So, when is Netanyahu going to provide the intelligence to support his claims that they've ramped up production dramatically since July when they were saying it would be two years? Oh, and we'd like the evidence to back his implications that Shiaa clerics in Tehran are the ones who ordered Salafist Sunnis to riot in Libya and got Ambassador Stevens killed. If we have that it certainly seems like a good cause for war. Until we can weigh the evidence you claim to have, kind of hard for us to act on it.

The only news I've seen about Iran in the last month or so is how panicked they are that the value of the rial has cratered due to sanctions. No new fighting words, though I haven't exactly been looking out for them. Ahh, but obviously the silence is proof that they are plotting.
 
2012-09-17 01:22:45 PM  
It has been United States' policy, both under Barack Obama and the Presidents that preceded him, that Iran must not achieve nuclear weapons. To do so require breaking seals in its facilities that the international community would be aware of.

Israel (Netanyahu) insists that the definition must be that Iran must not achieve the capability to have nuclear weapons. A capability is far more vague. It could mean that at some point in the future they might be able to create a nuclear weapon.

There you have it.
 
2012-09-17 01:22:55 PM  

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.


*yawn*

Next...
 
2012-09-17 01:23:29 PM  

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.


Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.
 
2012-09-17 01:23:42 PM  
Hi dickheads(Israeli military). We aren't your farkng war slaves. You want to provoke yet another war, I hope you get ground to sausage.

Israel: the most destabilizing influence in the middle east. As someone that loves Jews in general, Israel as a nation can pretty much just go and fark off and die.

When Netanyahu is calling someone else a dangerous fundamentalist, we are through the looking glass.
 
2012-09-17 01:24:02 PM  

Tremolo: TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.

0/10

Total fail.


You're right that is a total fail. In order to get the little fishes on the line you have to give them some wiggle room. That's just a simple irrefutable fact.
 
2012-09-17 01:24:28 PM  
It's high time for the US to reevaluate its strategic policy on Israel and how it relates to the rest of the Middle East. I can't see many people in the US supporting Israel as an ally going into the future if they drag us into another Mideast war... if Benny manipulates our election with a preemptive attack I can only hope we start storming some Israeli embassies/consulates in this country.

/a guy can wish
 
2012-09-17 01:25:03 PM  
I, for one, want a President who will not kowtow to foreign leaders and it sounds like Obama is just that leader.
 
2012-09-17 01:25:04 PM  
Yeah, vassal states don't get to dictate policy for the empire.

He wants a "red line" because then he's one phony intel report away from his war. Obama and H-Rod are having none of it. Why should Bibi farking Netanyahu get to dictate American policy for the entire mid-east?
 
2012-09-17 01:25:30 PM  
Israeli Prime Minister Romney surrogate Netanyahu urges the United States to draw a "red line" that Iran cannot cross
 
2012-09-17 01:25:43 PM  
To Iran, talking about wiping Israel off the map is like me talking about having an 11-way with fark's top ten ladies. It's never gonna happen, but everyone gets a boner.
 
2012-09-17 01:26:23 PM  
Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.



Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.
 
2012-09-17 01:27:12 PM  
The problem with drawing lines is that pretty soon you'll be flying planes.
 
2012-09-17 01:27:53 PM  
Boy, Netanyahu sure picked the wrong time to ask the US to get into a ME war. Sorry, pal, we already got one.
 
2012-09-17 01:27:54 PM  

GAT_00: Invisible arbitrary lines? Sounds like someone wants Bush back. No wonder Bibi is backing Romney.


Most of Romney's foreign policy advisors are Bush neocons and New American Century alumni; the people who brought us Iraq.
 
2012-09-17 01:28:14 PM  

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.


The US has no treaty of alliance with Israel.
 
2012-09-17 01:28:30 PM  
If they attack, I saw he provide no aid, no intel, and let them fight this one on their own. This simple isn't our fight, and I reject calls to involve us in it.
 
2012-09-17 01:29:31 PM  

lilbjorn: Romney surrogate Netanyahu


This.

That is how he should be addressed from now until the election.
 
2012-09-17 01:30:25 PM  
This debate is being framed totally incorrectly. It's not about being Israel's "lap dog" or doing the bidding of "teh jooz".

I'm the first to point out that the US has historically been far too uncritically supportive of Israel and would like nothing better than to see us start putting them at a bit more reach diplomatically until they get their shiat together.

But from a purely pragmatic perspective, let's look at what's going on- One nation in this little tiff is armed with nuclear weapons and surrounded by hostile nations, more than one of which has vowed their destruction. The other one does not have but is working as diligently as possible to obtain nuclear weapons, and has been unremittingly hostile to the first one and has rejected all attempts to rein in their nuclear ambitions.

Does a responsible international community simply throw up its hands and say "whatever, you two. We're done with you two idiots" and let the chips fall where they may? What do you think will happen to energy prices when a couple of conventional bombs drop on Iran and they try to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, maybe sink a US ship or two?

And what do you think would happen to energy prices and the world economy if we wake up to a mushroom cloud over Tehran or Tel Aviv?

The Obama administration MUST engage on this- even if we don't like it, this is bigger than not liking Israel Or Iran.
 
2012-09-17 01:31:16 PM  
Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.


So was your feable attempt at a response.
 
2012-09-17 01:31:22 PM  

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.


No sorry. They are not. This is another case of you right wing tards believing shiat that has no actual, factual basis.

Also, "allies" don't constantly practice high level espionage against you. fark em.
 
2012-09-17 01:32:07 PM  
just send some of those hot IDF girls over to Iran & while Mahmoud is checking out those racks & booties, take the batteries out of his remote control.
 
2012-09-17 01:32:53 PM  

Cyclometh: This debate is being framed totally incorrectly. It's not about being Israel's "lap dog" or doing the bidding of "teh jooz".

I'm the first to point out that the US has historically been far too uncritically supportive of Israel and would like nothing better than to see us start putting them at a bit more reach diplomatically until they get their shiat together.

But from a purely pragmatic perspective, let's look at what's going on- One nation in this little tiff is armed with nuclear weapons and surrounded by hostile nations, more than one of which has vowed their destruction. The other one does not have but is working as diligently as possible to obtain nuclear weapons, and has been unremittingly hostile to the first one and has rejected all attempts to rein in their nuclear ambitions.

Does a responsible international community simply throw up its hands and say "whatever, you two. We're done with you two idiots" and let the chips fall where they may? What do you think will happen to energy prices when a couple of conventional bombs drop on Iran and they try to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, maybe sink a US ship or two?

And what do you think would happen to energy prices and the world economy if we wake up to a mushroom cloud over Tehran or Tel Aviv?

The Obama administration MUST engage on this- even if we don't like it, this is bigger than not liking Israel Or Iran.


So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?
 
2012-09-17 01:32:58 PM  

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.


God damn, son. Look at how stupid you are! I mean, seriously- just look.
 
2012-09-17 01:35:28 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


When Biden visited Israel, they restarted building settlements during his visit (even though they knew that the political interpretation for that was a big fark you to America). If Bibi wants to be treated with respect by the American president when he visits, he shouldn't have farked up the visit by the President's highest ranking envoy. (And our nations are not equals. When Israel pays for its defense like a big boy, then it can pretend to be an equal. The amount of respect and deference from them should be greater than the amount of respect and deference we owe). Obama or any other American president can cancel on a meeting with Israeli leaders for whatever reason, whenever (And the Israelis should just say thanks for the support and smile).
 
2012-09-17 01:36:02 PM  

neongoats: Hi dickheads(Israeli military). We aren't your farkng war slaves. You want to provoke yet another war,


I don't think the Israeli military is all too keen on a conflict with Iran. It is Netanyahu who wants the fight. The military will professionally do as they ordered but I don't think they want this fight.
 
2012-09-17 01:36:09 PM  
Guys, remember. Israel is our closest ally. Why? Because Israel is our closest ally. What do they provide to us? Close allegiance. But where is the trade-off for all their bullshiat? Alliedness, that's what.
 
2012-09-17 01:36:52 PM  
Here Bibi,
www.thedailyplanner.com
Go for It!

We pick who, when, and why to fight.
And if we wanted your opinion, we'd beat it out of you.
 
2012-09-17 01:37:00 PM  

karnal: Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.

So was your feable attempt at a response.


Okay, you want a response? You're equating anyone who questions our unconditional and one way support of Israel to Jew haters and Nazis. There's no rational way to respond to something like that so help me out.
 
2012-09-17 01:37:19 PM  
We really need to help Israel.

Here ya go Bibi:

store.gsfasteners.com

Knock yourself out
 
2012-09-17 01:37:59 PM  

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.


So believing we don't need to start another war in the ME makes someone racist? That's some fine logic there Lou.
 
2012-09-17 01:38:00 PM  
While Netanyahu is pushing the US to hem itself in with a "red line", he hasn't clearly defined what constitutes Israel's "red line".

BIbi also faces pushback from his military and intelligence establishment. The political and economic fallout from an attack could be "problematic". Just how problematic, no one knows for sure. They also believe a military strike would only result in a temporary setback to Iran's nuclear program.

The stepped-up sanctions have reduced Iran's oil exports by 40% and sent the rial into the basement. I think most foreign policy wonks accept a wait-and-see approach for now.
 
2012-09-17 01:38:31 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?


Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.
 
2012-09-17 01:40:30 PM  

Cyclometh: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


American Jews strongly vote Democrat. Don't tell him that, though.
 
2012-09-17 01:40:47 PM  

Antimatter: If they attack, I saw he provide no aid, no intel, and let them fight this one on their own. This simple isn't our fight, and I reject calls to involve us in it.


that's just it. there's no way to do an attack and not have global repercussions. gas will skyrocket. and already fragile economies could be wrecked and all recovery gone overnight. Iran will retaliate against our bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. it will be bloody and expensive.

and that's just the tip of what could be a global clusterfark if Russia, China, N Korea and the Arab states align
 
2012-09-17 01:42:42 PM  
neongoats

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.

No sorry. They are not. This is another case of you right wing tards believing shiat that has no actual, factual basis.

Also, "allies" don't constantly practice high level espionage against you. fark em.

Philip Francis Queeg

The US has no treaty of alliance with Israel.



According to the President, they are an important ally....unless he was saying it just for votes
Link
 
2012-09-17 01:43:31 PM  

Zoophagous: karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.

So believing we don't need to start another war in the ME makes someone racist?



Not just racism...TOXIC racism!!1!

YOU'RE JUST LIKE HITLER!!!

encrypted-tbn3.google.com
 
2012-09-17 01:44:19 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?

Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.


I would suggest that if Israel truly is concerned about nuclear proliferation that they sign the NPT and abide by all it's strictures. Until they do we should not lift a finger to assist them.
 
2012-09-17 01:44:31 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


Netanyahu, Obama discuss Iran nuclear threat
 
2012-09-17 01:47:22 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?

Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.

I would suggest that if Israel truly is concerned about nuclear proliferation that they sign the NPT and abide by all it's strictures. Until they do we should not lift a finger to assist them.


In principle, I would agree. But realpolitik, as always, intervenes. Simply walking away from the party raises the risk of some form of exchange of weapons- conventional or otherwise- dramatically. And with our fragile ecomony, nascent recovery and trying to get the EU back on track, it's not just the US who can't afford a war like this. It's the whole world.

It's a dirty business, but it has to get done.
 
2012-09-17 01:49:58 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?

Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.

I would suggest that if Israel truly is concerned about nuclear proliferation that they sign the NPT and abide by all it's strictures. Until they do we should not lift a finger to assist them.

In principle, I would agree. But realpolitik, as always, intervenes. Simply walking away from the party raises the risk of some form of exchange of weapons- conventional or otherwise- dramatically. And with our fragile ecomony, nascent recovery and trying to get the EU back on track, it's not just the US who can't afford a war like this. It's the whole world.

It's a dirty business, but it has to get done.


How many of your fellow soldiers are you willing to see die to get it done?
 
2012-09-17 01:54:31 PM  
Mugato

karnal: Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.

So was your feable attempt at a response.

Okay, you want a response? You're equating anyone who questions our unconditional and one way support of Israel to Jew haters and Nazis. There's no rational way to respond to something like that so help me out.


Then why does support for Israel seem to run along party lines?
In the last 15 years or so Palestinian Nationalism began to infiltrated into the Left's dogma....it probably has to do with the whole "the enemy (fundamentalist Islam) of my enemy (fundamentalist Christianity) is my friend," menality....because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.
 
2012-09-17 01:55:34 PM  

spelletrader: An ultimatum to issue an ultimatum.


Shouldn't we give a penultimatum first? 

/For the second to last time, Iran, stop it!
 
2012-09-17 01:56:17 PM  
One of these days, Bibi is going to overplay his hand and then crap his pants when he sees that we don't have his back.
 
2012-09-17 01:57:07 PM  

Somacandra: Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.


Meh, I've given up on the entire Middle East, which means everybody there can have as many American made weapons as they want, provided they pay full list price on them. Might as well put some Americans back to work.
 
2012-09-17 01:57:44 PM  
Always bet on black.
 
2012-09-17 01:58:34 PM  

karnal: Then why does support for Israel seem to run along party lines?
In the last 15 years or so Palestinian Nationalism began to infiltrated into the Left's dogma....it probably has to do with the whole "the enemy (fundamentalist Islam) of my enemy (fundamentalist Christianity) is my friend," menality....because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.


No one says that liberals hate Christians except for the lunatic fringe of the right wing. And you do realize that Jewish Americans are largely democrats, right? It's like literally everything you say is just completely wrong. But that aside, you still haven't explained how criticizing Israel in any way has to indicate anti-semitism and why that isn't a ridiculously irrational opinion.
 
2012-09-17 01:59:25 PM  
How on earth would we even know? Even various Israeli officials cannot agree how far along and how serious the Iranians are about developing nuclear weapons. Some think we're years away from a threat, while others insist they're only weeks away. Try getting a straight answer on Iran's capabilities.

So let's say we set a bright line. "Iran must not obtain more that 5 kg of enriched uranium OR ELSE." How would we know if they crossed that line? Setting some arbitrary "red line" is in essence either useless posturing or a tacit admission that we're just going to assume the worst and that warfare is assured.

I'm tired of the games. I'm tired of that cretin presuming to tell the United States what to do.
 
2012-09-17 02:01:08 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg:
How many of your fellow soldiers are you willing to see die to get it done?


You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away. And you know it, too. So I'll just put a question to you that's just as mendacious and full of shiat.

How many Israelis and Iranians are you willing to see die just so you can stick it to Israel?
 
2012-09-17 02:03:26 PM  

karnal: because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.


2.bp.blogspot.com

I know right, lol
 
2012-09-17 02:03:41 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: One of these days, Bibi is going to overplay his hand and then crap his pants when he sees that we don't have his back.


That may have happened when he invaded Lebanon a couple years back.
 
2012-09-17 02:04:00 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
How many of your fellow soldiers are you willing to see die to get it done?

You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away. And you know it, too. So I'll just put a question to you that's just as mendacious and full of shiat.

How many Israelis and Iranians are you willing to see die just so you can stick it to Israel?


We can't stop Israelis and Iranians from killing each other. We are not all powerful. To think that the US can prevent Iranian and Israeli deaths against the wishes of both sides is pure hubris.
 
2012-09-17 02:05:07 PM  

karnal: Mugato

karnal: Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.

So was your feable attempt at a response.

Okay, you want a response? You're equating anyone who questions our unconditional and one way support of Israel to Jew haters and Nazis. There's no rational way to respond to something like that so help me out.

Then why does support for Israel seem to run along party lines?
In the last 15 years or so Palestinian Nationalism began to infiltrated into the Left's dogma....it probably has to do with the whole "the enemy (fundamentalist Islam) of my enemy (fundamentalist Christianity) is my friend," menality....because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.


Or you know, maybe we are tired of supporting a fundamentalist regime that basically only exists because of leftover WWII guilt. We're sick of giving them free military infrastructure, sick of just forking over plane loads of cash. Sick of being tied to their militarist, fundamentalist behavior, and having their misdeeds attributed to our support. We're also sick of this supposed ally treating us line an enemy, infiltrating us with spies, and treating us like their chained war slaves.

Maybe someday Israel will grow up, act like adults, and actually join the world community instead if acting like superior petulant children. We OWE them NOTHING, but they treat us like a dog, because that's how people like you act.

If Bibi smeared peanut butter on his genitals, you would lick his dong line a good dog.
 
2012-09-17 02:05:54 PM  
...

How about NOT feeding the obvious troll?
 
2012-09-17 02:08:57 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg:

We can't stop Israelis and Iranians from killing each other. We are not all powerful. To think that the US can prevent Iranian and Israeli deaths against the wishes of both sides is pure hubris.


Well, unless I missed something there's not an open state of war between the two countries, so that's something. I'd rather we stay in the discussion and find peaceful solutions. It would be vastly irresponsible to just walk away- not only to the US but to the world. There's far more at stake than a few square miles of desert and some holy sites here.

And if in the end force is necessary, then it is. That's not advocating violence, it's acknowledging that sometimes it is. And yes, people die. You don't have to like it but we don't live in a world that gives a fark if you like it. The best we can do is work toward a world where it's not necessary for that to happen.

But simply telling Israel to cram it up their cram-hole is most emphatically NOT a step in the direction of peace. I take comfort in one thing- Obama is far less likely to just go "bring them on" and slap his dick on the table than the GOP would.
 
2012-09-17 02:09:04 PM  
Mugato

karnal: Then why does support for Israel seem to run along party lines?
In the last 15 years or so Palestinian Nationalism began to infiltrated into the Left's dogma....it probably has to do with the whole "the enemy (fundamentalist Islam) of my enemy (fundamentalist Christianity) is my friend," menality....because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.

No one says that liberals hate Christians except for the lunatic fringe of the right wing. And you do realize that Jewish Americans are largely democrats, right? It's like literally everything you say is just completely wrong. But that aside, you still haven't explained how criticizing Israel in any way has to indicate anti-semitism and why that isn't a ridiculously irrational opinion.


It's not the criticism - it's the abandonment.

As for Jewish Americans voting Democrat I think it is because of Tikkun olam, which is Hebrew phrase that means "repairing the world" which is very much in line with today's progressive liberals.
 
2012-09-17 02:10:29 PM  

indylaw: How on earth would we even know? Even various Israeli officials cannot agree how far along and how serious the Iranians are about developing nuclear weapons. Some think we're years away from a threat, while others insist they're only weeks away. Try getting a straight answer on Iran's capabilities.

So let's say we set a bright line. "Iran must not obtain more that 5 kg of enriched uranium OR ELSE." How would we know if they crossed that line? Setting some arbitrary "red line" is in essence either useless posturing or a tacit admission that we're just going to assume the worst and that warfare is assured.

I'm tired of the games. I'm tired of that cretin presuming to tell the United States what to do.


I'm no expert on nuclear non-proliferation, but I do keep up with it on news and websites like Federation of American Scientists. And it seems to me that anyone that knew anything about nuclear weapons, thought that Iraq was way behind Iran in development. So we invaded Iraq in 2003 because of its "nuclear program" and the nation that was more advanced hasn't even conducted a test almost 10 years later.

Somehow this doesn't inspire confidence on people an organizations with their own agendas telling us about the nuclear capabilities of certain nations.
 
2012-09-17 02:10:34 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79436868#c79436868" target="_blank">Cyclometh</a>:</b> <i>Philip Francis Queeg:
How many of your fellow soldiers are you willing to see die to get it done?

You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away. And you know it, too. So I'll just put a question to you that's just as mendacious and full of shiat.

How many Israelis and Iranians are you willing to see die just so you can stick it to Israel?</i>

Most of them, frankly. Because sticking our dick into ww3 isn't going to help America. As much as we don't want to see regional oil trickle to a stop, spending a googlybillion dollars getting mired in a morass we simply cant win will destroy what's left of America.
 
2012-09-17 02:13:00 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:

We can't stop Israelis and Iranians from killing each other. We are not all powerful. To think that the US can prevent Iranian and Israeli deaths against the wishes of both sides is pure hubris.

Well, unless I missed something there's not an open state of war between the two countries, so that's something. I'd rather we stay in the discussion and find peaceful solutions. It would be vastly irresponsible to just walk away- not only to the US but to the world. There's far more at stake than a few square miles of desert and some holy sites here.

And if in the end force is necessary, then it is. That's not advocating violence, it's acknowledging that sometimes it is. And yes, people die. You don't have to like it but we don't live in a world that gives a fark if you like it. The best we can do is work toward a world where it's not necessary for that to happen.

But simply telling Israel to cram it up their cram-hole is most emphatically NOT a step in the direction of peace. I take comfort in one thing- Obama is far less likely to just go "bring them on" and slap his dick on the table than the GOP would.


Asking Israel to abide by the treaty they want enforced by US military power is telling them to "cram it up their cram-hole'?
 
2012-09-17 02:13:47 PM  

Cyclometh: You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away


Telling Netanyahu to work it out for himself isn't "walking away", it's refusing to commit outselves to the consequences of his brinkmanship. We're still arming the Israeli military, perhaps that should be the extent of our involvement at this point. Don't kid yourself, Israel isn't our ally in the region, Israel is Israel's ally.
 
2012-09-17 02:17:13 PM  
How about Israel take the billions of dollars in aid we give them and farking defend themselves from the assholes they're being assholes to?

At this point, fark all of them. There are no "good guys" over there for us to ally with. They can sort it out on their own, and if whoever survives continues being assholes, we can squash them and rid the region of assholes.
 
2012-09-17 02:17:39 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg:
Asking Israel to abide by the treaty they want enforced by US military power is telling them to "cram it up their cram-hole'?


I was in general responding to the attitude of "fark Israel, let them burn" which seems to be counter-productive. Again (and I've said it before, and i'm tired of repeating myself on this), I'm not saying we should do their bidding or enforce their strictures, nor do I think it's appropriate to start bombing shiat or killing people, but we cannot simply tell them to piss off and walk away. That would hurt them, and in the end it would hurt us.

It would have been better by far if we had never gotten into this relationship with Israel, or had found ways to rein in their arrogance years ago, but that water is well and truly under the bridge. We have to deal with what IS, not what we would like to be.
 
2012-09-17 02:20:01 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Cyclometh: You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away

Telling Netanyahu to work it out for himself isn't "walking away", it's refusing to commit outselves to the consequences of his brinkmanship. We're still arming the Israeli military, perhaps that should be the extent of our involvement at this point. Don't kid yourself, Israel isn't our ally in the region, Israel is Israel's ally.


It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

In the end, this is all election season silliness. Pragmatically, they're using the campaign to put pressure on Obama to do something so he doesn't take a hit at the polls. But we still have to respond somehow.
 
2012-09-17 02:20:18 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
Asking Israel to abide by the treaty they want enforced by US military power is telling them to "cram it up their cram-hole'?

I was in general responding to the attitude of "fark Israel, let them burn" which seems to be counter-productive. Again (and I've said it before, and i'm tired of repeating myself on this), I'm not saying we should do their bidding or enforce their strictures, nor do I think it's appropriate to start bombing shiat or killing people, but we cannot simply tell them to piss off and walk away. That would hurt them, and in the end it would hurt us.

It would have been better by far if we had never gotten into this relationship with Israel, or had found ways to rein in their arrogance years ago, but that water is well and truly under the bridge. We have to deal with what IS, not what we would like to be.


So you are arguing against something I never said. Good show, Your time in the military certainly taught you how to kill a straw man but good.
 
2012-09-17 02:22:05 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
Asking Israel to abide by the treaty they want enforced by US military power is telling them to "cram it up their cram-hole'?

I was in general responding to the attitude of "fark Israel, let them burn" which seems to be counter-productive. Again (and I've said it before, and i'm tired of repeating myself on this), I'm not saying we should do their bidding or enforce their strictures, nor do I think it's appropriate to start bombing shiat or killing people, but we cannot simply tell them to piss off and walk away. That would hurt them, and in the end it would hurt us.

It would have been better by far if we had never gotten into this relationship with Israel, or had found ways to rein in their arrogance years ago, but that water is well and truly under the bridge. We have to deal with what IS, not what we would like to be.

So you are arguing against something I never said. Good show, Your time in the military certainly taught you how to kill a straw man but good.


I learned it from you, Dad!

/you mean asking me how many soldiers I would want to see die wasn't a strawman?
//pot, meet kettle.
 
2012-09-17 02:23:45 PM  

kbronsito: indylaw: How on earth would we even know? Even various Israeli officials cannot agree how far along and how serious the Iranians are about developing nuclear weapons. Some think we're years away from a threat, while others insist they're only weeks away. Try getting a straight answer on Iran's capabilities.

So let's say we set a bright line. "Iran must not obtain more that 5 kg of enriched uranium OR ELSE." How would we know if they crossed that line? Setting some arbitrary "red line" is in essence either useless posturing or a tacit admission that we're just going to assume the worst and that warfare is assured.

I'm tired of the games. I'm tired of that cretin presuming to tell the United States what to do.

I'm no expert on nuclear non-proliferation, but I do keep up with it on news and websites like Federation of American Scientists. And it seems to me that anyone that knew anything about nuclear weapons, thought that Iraq was way behind Iran in development. So we invaded Iraq in 2003 because of its "nuclear program" and the nation that was more advanced hasn't even conducted a test almost 10 years later.

Somehow this doesn't inspire confidence on people an organizations with their own agendas telling us about the nuclear capabilities of certain nations.


Yeah, if Iran were fueling up theater ballistic missiles as we speak, I could understand the urgency. Hell, if someone could provide concrete evidence that the Iranians are both a) actively developing a nuclear weapon and b) have solved most of the technological and manufacturing challenges in assembling a viable weapon, I'd understand the United States stepping in and bombing the crap out of them.

But the most we have been given, at least publicly, is that the Iranians hate Israel (well, sure) and that they have built centrifuges which are necessary to enrich uranium to weapons-ready material (and also to prepare it for nonmilitary purposes). In the mean time we've crippled their economy and used highly sophisticated computer viruses to sabotage Iranian equipment (allegedly). If it's urgent, show some evidence. We can't blow hundreds of billions of dollars, sacrifice American lives, balloon oil prices and risk a wider war simply on Bibi's hunch.
 
2012-09-17 02:24:30 PM  

Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.


How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?
 
2012-09-17 02:28:26 PM  

karnal: It's not the criticism - it's the abandonment.


Not allowing ourselves to be terminator to their SkyNet is not "abandoning" them. We still give them obscene amounts of foeign aid and another obscene amounts in appeasement to Egypt to not attack Israel. But in your estimation, if we don't completely hand Israel the keys to our foreign policy as Romney wants to, we're all a bunch of antisemite Nazis. Way to play the hell out of that card.
 
2012-09-17 02:28:39 PM  

kbronsito: How about we draw a red line where we want Israel settlements to stop.


*ohsnap* pic
 
2012-09-17 02:29:26 PM  

Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.


Netanyahu is attempting to strong arm us into his pissing match with Iran, if he doesn't want to be weakened maybe he should start treating the US as a partner rather than his attack dog.
 
2012-09-17 02:30:25 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?


Who cares? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.
 
2012-09-17 02:31:53 PM  
You want a red line Bibi? There's a Red Line in Chicago, it runs from Howard Avenue south to 95th Street. There's your farking red line asshole.
 
2012-09-17 02:33:22 PM  
All I can say is that if Netanyahu is going to leverage his hand with Obama with the election, he should try and should try and keep the level of his rhetoric in conjunction with FiveThirtyEight predictions in mind.
 
2012-09-17 02:33:28 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

Netanyahu is attempting to strong arm us into his pissing match with Iran, if he doesn't want to be weakened maybe he should start treating the US as a partner rather than his attack dog.


Meh, no one serious ever thought that the Obama administration would kowtow to this crap. Publicly we should be all "We're not gonna go blow stuff up, but you kids play nice" and privately Netanyahu should get torn a new one in what Fox News would characterize as a "tense" phone call.
 
2012-09-17 02:34:06 PM  
I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?
 
2012-09-17 02:35:30 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?

Who cares? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.


So it's bad for the US to publicly rebuke Israel, but no big deal in reverse? Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize that we were the junior partner in the so called "alliance".
 
2012-09-17 02:35:45 PM  

badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.
 
2012-09-17 02:38:14 PM  

badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


You're just not getting it. It's one thing to support a nation and give them shiatloads of aid. It quite another to attack every nation that they tell us to on their whim alone. Is this getting through to you at all?
 
2012-09-17 02:38:23 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


Yes Bibi is, but what does that have to do with Letterman?
 
2012-09-17 02:40:54 PM  

indylaw: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.


Did you see me say that anywhere? All I was commenting on was the contempt I see in every thread about Israel from the left. I don't support everything my friend does, but I am sure as heck going to support them more than I support someone who hates me.
 
2012-09-17 02:40:58 PM  
 
2012-09-17 02:42:28 PM  

badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


Which country maintained friendly relations with South Africa ( (at the time the most Nazi-like government on earth) when almost no one else would?

You know... because those black South Africans were an existential threat to Israel. (not because they made a rational calculation than supporting the rounding up of people in ghettos with violence was acceptable if it got them uranium for their arms program).

NEVER AGAIN (unless we sort of have to).
 
2012-09-17 02:43:24 PM  

badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


Iran.
 
2012-09-17 02:43:49 PM  

Mugato: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

You're just not getting it. It's one thing to support a nation and give them shiatloads of aid. It quite another to attack every nation that they tell us to on their whim alone. Is this getting through to you at all?


If Iran gets a nuclear bomb there will be global implications.
 
2012-09-17 02:44:33 PM  

Mugato: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal</a>:</b> <i>Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.</i>

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.


Are you hoping that your comments will make him a better troll? Stop helping.
 
2012-09-17 02:44:34 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?

Who cares? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.

So it's bad for the US to publicly rebuke Israel, but no big deal in reverse? Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize that we were the junior partner in the so called "alliance".


You know, it doesn't take more than a single scroll of the mousewheel to see you accusing ME of using a strawman.
 
2012-09-17 02:45:18 PM  

badaboom: Mugato: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

You're just not getting it. It's one thing to support a nation and give them shiatloads of aid. It quite another to attack every nation that they tell us to on their whim alone. Is this getting through to you at all?

If Iran gets a nuclear bomb there will be global implications.


There are global implications to Israel having the bomb. There are global implications to the US having the bomb.
 
2012-09-17 02:45:39 PM  

badaboom: indylaw: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.

Did you see me say that anywhere? All I was commenting on was the contempt I see in every thread about Israel from the left. I don't support everything my friend does, but I am sure as heck going to support them more than I support someone who hates me.


TIL not sanctioning and bombing someone just because==supporting them.
 
2012-09-17 02:46:19 PM  
And thank you to my TF benefactor!

/no idea why, but TF is always awesome.
//thanks again!
 
2012-09-17 02:48:56 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?

Who cares
? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.

So it's bad for the US to publicly rebuke Israel, but no big deal in reverse? Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize that we were the junior partner in the so called "alliance".

You know, it doesn't take more than a single scroll of the mousewheel to see you accusing ME of using a strawman.


No strawman, just your clear, unambiguous statements.
 
2012-09-17 02:51:32 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?

Who cares? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.

So it's bad for the US to publicly rebuke Israel, but no big deal in reverse? Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize that we were the junior partner in the so called "alliance".

You know, it doesn't take more than a single scroll of the mousewheel to see you accusing ME of using a strawman.

No strawman, just your clear, unambiguous statements.


You know, I think I'll just leave the discussion here. I'll let anyone who comes along and reads what I've said and what you've said decide who is being disingenous here.
 
2012-09-17 02:52:33 PM  

badaboom: indylaw: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.

Did you see me say that anywhere? All I was commenting on was the contempt I see in every thread about Israel from the left. I don't support everything my friend does, but I am sure as heck going to support them more than I support someone who hates me.


A better analogy would be going to a bar with someone you can only kind of stand being around. They start getting drunk and belligerent and trying to start bar fights with the locals. You try to tell them to stop, but they keep getting more and more abrasive and violent. You can see that this abrasive asshole is just going to get punched, but despite the fact that you bought him a couple of beers, you pretty much consider this his own problem.

I'll defend an actual friend that isn't intentionally picking drunken brawls. I won't defend one entitled, self important, abrasive drunk who sponges off of me and treats me like his ace in the hole.
 
2012-09-17 02:52:37 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

Iran.


Anyone know if Fark is available in Iran? Or is it banned? T
 
2012-09-17 02:52:46 PM  

badaboom: Israelgarbl


Yes Troll, because making the clear distinction of criticizing the loathsome Likud Party and it's warmongering golem Bibi Netanyahu is exactly the same as criticizing the entire country of Israel.

Go F**K yourself.
 
2012-09-17 02:53:36 PM  
For a country that we're supposedly close allies with, Israel sure does cause a lot of "difficulties" for the US in the rest of the Mideast. Now more than ever, we as Americans should be asking whether our alliance with Israel is worth the trouble. How many other countries are we staunch allies with based on some vague moral obligation instead of our wider geopolitical interests in a region of the world?
 
2012-09-17 02:56:18 PM  

badaboom: indylaw: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.

Did you see me say that anywhere? All I was commenting on was the contempt I see in every thread about Israel from the left. I don't support everything my friend does, but I am sure as heck going to support them more than I support someone who hates me.


What do the culture and attitude toward civil rights in each country have to do with a determination of whether Iran is close enough (and how close is too close) to developing nuclear weapons technology to warrant the use of force? Yemen, Uzbekistan and the Congo are all horrible places to live, but no one's suggesting that we bomb them, because they're not a threat to us. Opposing demands to "draw a line in the sand" with them doesn't mean condoning their governments.
 
2012-09-17 02:58:03 PM  

BeesNuts: Yes, but where must the line be drawn?


"you broke your little ships"
 
2012-09-17 03:01:35 PM  
Israel deserves the right to exist, but only if it does nothing to defend itself until 3 to 5 countries attack it at once with nuclear weapons.

/I thought libs were against nuclear power
 
2012-09-17 03:02:53 PM  
Im still hoping Israel will exercise the Samson Option and wipe out the mideast. Two birds with one stone.
 
2012-09-17 03:04:05 PM  

Zeno-25: For a country that we're supposedly close allies with, Israel sure does cause a lot of "difficulties" for the US in the rest of the Mideast. Now more than ever, we as Americans should be asking whether our alliance with Israel is worth the trouble. How many other countries are we staunch allies with based on some vague moral obligation instead of our wider geopolitical interests in a region of the world?



I know, that whole not wanting to be annihilated thing is really a pain in the arse. I mean come on, we all know Imadinnerjacket is just bluffing. We should just support Iran and lower the price of gas for goodness sakes. What were we thinking?
 
2012-09-17 03:04:56 PM  

beta_plus: Israel deserves the right to exist, but only if it does nothing to defend itself until 3 to 5 countries attack it at once with nuclear weapons.

/I thought libs were against nuclear power



Nice strawman troll-lo-lo-lo. Who the fark here is saying that? All I see is people saying to Israel 'do the fark whatever you want, just don't suck us into it.'
 
2012-09-17 03:06:14 PM  
Tell ya what, Bibi: You pull all of your Zionist interlopers back behind the Green Line, and maybe we'll consider your blather about some "Red Line".

Mmmmkay?
 
2012-09-17 03:06:49 PM  

beta_plus: Israel deserves the right to exist, but only if it does nothing to defend itself until 3 to 5 countries attack it at once with nuclear weapons.

/I thought libs were against nuclear power


A TROLL APPEARS!
 
2012-09-17 03:07:05 PM  
Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link
 
2012-09-17 03:08:29 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: How about this Red Line:

Israel immediately become signatory to the NPT and opens it's nuclear programs to inspection including revealing all past proliferation activities.



I agree with PPQ.

It would be a nice New Year's gesture.
 
2012-09-17 03:09:28 PM  

Amos Quito: Philip Francis Queeg: How about this Red Line:

Israel immediately become signatory to the NPT and opens it's nuclear programs to inspection including revealing all past proliferation activities.


I agree with PPQ.

It would be a nice New Year's gesture.



Oops! Make that PFQ.

/Phrancis - lol!
 
2012-09-17 03:09:51 PM  

Amos Quito: Philip Francis Queeg: How about this Red Line:

Israel immediately become signatory to the NPT and opens it's nuclear programs to inspection including revealing all past proliferation activities.


I agree with PPQ.

It would be a nice New Year's gesture.


Aw shiat I have a Nazi sympathizer agreeing with me.
 
2012-09-17 03:10:49 PM  

beta_plus: Israel deserves the right to exist, but only if it does nothing to defend itself until 3 to 5 countries attack it at once with nuclear weapons.

/I thought libs were against nuclear power


and I thought conservatives were about protecting our interests.
 
2012-09-17 03:11:14 PM  

badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.
 
2012-09-17 03:13:43 PM  

badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

Iran.


[standupforamerica.files.wordpress.com image 338x500]

Well I hope that you or no one you know isn't gay


I would suggest trying to use common sense to someone who calls himself "holocaust agnostic" is a lost cause.
 
2012-09-17 03:15:22 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.



Really? I thought we were picking sides. I have not heard anyone in this thread put any blame on the belligerence of Iran. According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.
 
2012-09-17 03:15:32 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Amos Quito: Philip Francis Queeg: How about this Red Line:

Israel immediately become signatory to the NPT and opens it's nuclear programs to inspection including revealing all past proliferation activities.


I agree with PPQ.

It would be a nice New Year's gesture.

Aw shiat I have a Nazi sympathizer agreeing with me.



A Nazi sympathizer? God forbid!

Who?
 
2012-09-17 03:18:07 PM  

badaboom: Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link


Uh huh, so we should piss a few hundred trillion dollars away on another ill defined land war.. Because Israel is kinda free(if you are Jewish), and Iran has censorship!

Why is the GOP so intent on making sure we kick off ww3 in our lifetimes? Literally every mid east nation but the Saudis would join against us. Russia and China would aid Iran with money and arms. And BAM, yet another cold war proxy war.

That's your wet dream, perpetual war. After all, it's not like billionaires like romneybot will be harmed, right.

Well. How much is RomneyPAC paying you per post to shill yet more wars we don't really care about and can't afford?
 
2012-09-17 03:18:30 PM  

Parthenogenetic: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.


Israel and Islamic nations are both equally bad, so let muslims murder american diplomats!
 
2012-09-17 03:20:53 PM  

badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation.


Nice straw man.
 
2012-09-17 03:21:23 PM  

beta_plus: Parthenogenetic: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.

Israel and Islamic nations are both equally bad, so let muslims murder american diplomats!


LET? What should we do, swing our dick and start invading every county that protests the US?

Moron.
 
2012-09-17 03:21:40 PM  

badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.


Really? I thought we were picking sides. I have not heard anyone in this thread put any blame on the belligerence of Iran. According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.


We have picked sides. Israel. That does not mean we have to jump on board with everything they do or want to do.
 
2012-09-17 03:21:41 PM  

neongoats: badaboom: Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link

Uh huh, so we should piss a few hundred trillion dollars away on another ill defined land war.. Because Israel is kinda free(if you are Jewish), and Iran has censorship!

Why is the GOP so intent on making sure we kick off ww3 in our lifetimes? Literally every mid east nation but the Saudis would join against us. Russia and China would aid Iran with money and arms. And BAM, yet another cold war proxy war.

That's your wet dream, perpetual war. After all, it's not like billionaires like romneybot will be harmed, right.

Well. How much is RomneyPAC paying you per post to shill yet more wars we don't really care about and can't afford?



If Israel laid down its arms today do you think Iran would also stand down?

If Iran laid down its arms today do you think Israel or the US would attack?
 
2012-09-17 03:23:25 PM  

theknuckler_33: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation.

Nice straw man.


Don't understand strawmen very well do we? I was only commenting on the contempt I see for Israel coming from the left. I made no other argument than that.
 
2012-09-17 03:23:37 PM  

beta_plus: Parthenogenetic: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.

Israel and Islamic nations are both equally bad, so let muslims murder american diplomats!


No, it's more like: it's in our best interest to let them mutually destroy one another and rid the earth of two groups of fundamentalists that are stepping over each other to see who has the bigger god penis.
 
2012-09-17 03:28:01 PM  

badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.

Really? I thought we were picking sides. I have not heard anyone in this thread put any blame on the belligerence of Iran. According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.


Then you obviously don't know how to read. People realize that Israel has been telling the world that Iran is a 'few years away' from getting nuclear weapons for 20 farking years trying to goad the US into attacking them. People rightly are annoyed that Israel has dictated US policy in the ME since at least the 60s and basically are saying "no, israel, we're not going to preemptively strike Iran for you". This in no way is a statement that "Iran has done nothing to make Israel concerned".

English, mother-farker, do you speak it?
 
2012-09-17 03:28:09 PM  

badaboom: According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.



If that be the case, I agree with this thread.
 
2012-09-17 03:30:43 PM  

badaboom: neongoats: badaboom: Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link

Uh huh, so we should piss a few hundred trillion dollars away on another ill defined land war.. Because Israel is kinda free(if you are Jewish), and Iran has censorship!

Why is the GOP so intent on making sure we kick off ww3 in our lifetimes? Literally every mid east nation but the Saudis would join against us. Russia and China would aid Iran with money and arms. And BAM, yet another cold war proxy war.

That's your wet dream, perpetual war. After all, it's not like billionaires like romneybot will be harmed, right.

Well. How much is RomneyPAC paying you per post to shill yet more wars we don't really care about and can't afford?


If Israel laid down its arms today do you think Iran would also stand down?

If Iran laid down its arms today do you think Israel or the US would attack?


Yes, I do think israel and the us would attack Iran IMMEDIATELY upon receiving confirmed intelligence that they are defenseless. The very farking moment.

How about you address a single point directed at you, instead of deflecting with bullshiat theoretical troll questions.
 
2012-09-17 03:30:50 PM  
It would be cute that Netanyahu thinks he can dictate U.S. foreign policy, if it weren't so pernicious.
 
2012-09-17 03:31:13 PM  

badaboom: theknuckler_33: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation.

Nice straw man.

Don't understand strawmen very well do we? I was only commenting on the contempt I see for Israel coming from the left. I made no other argument than that.


Conservatives are racist.

straw man or fact?

And, what you are calling 'contempt' is mostly people tired of Israel dictating US policy in the ME. That is not contempt for Israel 'as a nation'. You are engaging in the fallacy that anything other than blind, total, support and capitulation to Israel is 'contempt' for them.
 
2012-09-17 03:31:32 PM  

theknuckler_33: badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.

Really? I thought we were picking sides. I have not heard anyone in this thread put any blame on the belligerence of Iran. According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.

Then you obviously don't know how to read. People realize that Israel has been telling the world that Iran is a 'few years away' from getting nuclear weapons for 20 farking years trying to goad the US into attacking them. People rightly are annoyed that Israel has dictated US policy in the ME since at least the 60s and basically are saying "no, israel, we're not going to preemptively strike Iran for you". This in no way is a statement that "Iran has done nothing to make Israel concerned".

English, mother-farker, do you speak it?


Are you concerned about the following scenario: Iran does have a nuclear bomb and will use it as soon as possible to destroy Israel and all its citizens. If the only way to prevent this was a strike would you support it? What do you suggest be our response if Iran does bomb Israel?
 
2012-09-17 03:32:49 PM  

shastacola: badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

Iran.


[standupforamerica.files.wordpress.com image 338x500]

Well I hope that you or no one you know isn't gay

I would suggest trying to use common sense to someone who calls himself "holocaust agnostic" is a lost cause.


I thought cheeky usernames were par for the course. I am so sorry to have so deeply misunderstood and lowered the level of discourse here on fark.com.
 
2012-09-17 03:33:18 PM  

theknuckler_33: People rightly are annoyed that Israel has dictated US policy in the ME since at least the 60s and basically are saying "no, israel, we're not going to preemptively strike Iran for you".



And people wonder why Bibi and the US Neocon/Zionist political machine HATE Obama.

img.jspace.com

Sheldon is betting that Mittens will be a more cooperative employee.
 
2012-09-17 03:33:24 PM  

vudukungfu: WHAaaaaaaaaa. Iran is picking on me. Help me, USA!


No Israel, you're a big boy now, mommy can't fight your battles for you forever you know.
 
2012-09-17 03:34:14 PM  

neongoats: badaboom: neongoats: badaboom: Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link

Uh huh, so we should piss a few hundred trillion dollars away on another ill defined land war.. Because Israel is kinda free(if you are Jewish), and Iran has censorship!

Why is the GOP so intent on making sure we kick off ww3 in our lifetimes? Literally every mid east nation but the Saudis would join against us. Russia and China would aid Iran with money and arms. And BAM, yet another cold war proxy war.

That's your wet dream, perpetual war. After all, it's not like billionaires like romneybot will be harmed, right.

Well. How much is RomneyPAC paying you per post to shill yet more wars we don't really care about and can't afford?


If Israel laid down its arms today do you think Iran would also stand down?

If Iran laid down its arms today do you think Israel or the US would attack?

Yes, I do think israel and the us would attack Iran IMMEDIATELY upon receiving confirmed intelligence that they are defenseless. The very farking moment.

How about you address a single point directed at you, instead of deflecting with bullshiat theoretical troll questions.


LOL. So you believe that Israel wants genocide? What would be there reason for attacking if Iran decided to mind its own farking business? And you are being too concrete. I did not mean give up its weapons for a moment. I meant Iran would give up its intention for destroying Israel for good.
 
2012-09-17 03:35:03 PM  
"Let's you and them fight."
 
2012-09-17 03:35:47 PM  

karnal: As for Jewish Americans voting Democrat I think it is because of Tikkun olam, which is Hebrew phrase that means "repairing the world" which is very much in line with today's progressive liberals.


Well Regressive Conservatives have their philosophy: "break everything possible and blame others".
 
2012-09-17 03:36:04 PM  
We'll assist Israel in their crusade with our superior military if they assist us with our serious lack of medical coverage for our citizens with their superior health care system.

It can't just be a one way street.
 
2012-09-17 03:40:28 PM  

Raoul Eaton: It would be cute that Netanyahu thinks he can dictate U.S. foreign policy, if it weren't so pernicious.



BibiCo has many friends in powerful positions in US politics, academia, industry, and most importantly, media.

Keep an eye on the other hand (s).
 
2012-09-17 03:42:11 PM  

badaboom: I meant Iran would give up its intention for destroying Israel for good.



False premise.
 
2012-09-17 03:42:49 PM  

badaboom: theknuckler_33: badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.

Really? I thought we were picking sides. I have not heard anyone in this thread put any blame on the belligerence of Iran. According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.

Then you obviously don't know how to read. People realize that Israel has been telling the world that Iran is a 'few years away' from getting nuclear weapons for 20 farking years trying to goad the US into attacking them. People rightly are annoyed that Israel has dictated US policy in the ME since at least the 60s and basically are saying "no, israel, we're not going to preemptively strike Iran for you". This in no way is a statement that "Iran has done nothing to make Israel concerned".

English, mother-farker, do you speak it?

Are you concerned about the following scenario: Iran does have a nuclear bomb and will use it as soon as possible to destroy Israel and all its citizens. If the only way to prevent this was a strike would you support it? What do you suggest be our response if Iran does bomb Israel?


I am about as concerned about that as I am that Pakistan or China might start lobbing nukes, which is to say, not very much. Foreign policy of a world super-power should not be dictated by pants-wetting cowards who think their imminent destruction is just around the corner. If Iran bombs Israel then we, and Israel, and a whole host of other countries as well, will respond. That's the way things used to be, you got into a war because you were attacked.

But getting back to the point, your strawman that 'libs have contempt for israel as a nation' is indeed a strawman. Noone said Iran has done nothing to be concerned about. There would be a hell of a lot more rational discussion and cooperation if people like you would at least be rational enough to understand the point of views of other people.

And yes, I'm aware of the irony of me speaking about rational discussion after using the phrase 'pants-wetting cowards' in the previous paragraph... but I figured rational discussion at this point was pretty much off the table, so might as well let loose.
 
2012-09-17 03:47:14 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?

Who cares? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.

So it's bad for the US to publicly rebuke Israel, but no big deal in reverse? Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize that we were the junior partner in the so called "alliance".

You know, it doesn't take more than a single scroll of the mousewheel to see you accusing ME of using a strawman.

No strawman, just your clear, unambiguous statements.

You know, I think I'll just leave the discussion here. I'll let anyone who comes along and reads what I've said and what you've said decide who is being disingenous here.


Shame, yours has been the most realistic and not-droolingly-insane or disingenuous take in the thread. Bravo, and bravo to whoever tf'd you.
 
2012-09-17 03:47:29 PM  

theknuckler_33: badaboom: theknuckler_33: badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.

Really? I thought we were picking sides. I have not heard anyone in this thread put any blame on the belligerence of Iran. According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.

Then you obviously don't know how to read. People realize that Israel has been telling the world that Iran is a 'few years away' from getting nuclear weapons for 20 farking years trying to goad the US into attacking them. People rightly are annoyed that Israel has dictated US policy in the ME since at least the 60s and basically are saying "no, israel, we're not going to preemptively strike Iran for you". This in no way is a statement that "Iran has done nothing to make Israel concerned".

English, mother-farker, do you speak it?

Are you concerned about the following scenario: Iran does have a nuclear bomb and will use it as soon as possible to destroy Israel and all its citizens. If the only way to prevent this was a strike would you support it? What do you suggest be our response if Iran does bomb Israel?

I am about as concerned about that as I am that Pakistan or China might start lobbing nukes, which is to say, not very much. Foreign policy of a world super-power should not be dictated by pants-wetting cowards who think their imminent destruction is just around the corner. If Iran bombs Israel then we, and Israel, and a whole host of other countries as well, will respond. That's the way things used to be, you got into a war because you were attacked.

But getting back to the point, your strawman that 'libs have contempt for israel as a nation' is indeed a strawman. Noone said Iran has done nothing to be concerned about. There would be a hell of a lot more rational discussion and cooperation if people like you would at least be rational enough to understand the point of views of o ...



Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear. Can't remember the last time Pakistan or China threatened to destroy anyone/
 
2012-09-17 03:48:57 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


Israel has never been our 'ally'. An alliance is a two way cooperation. I think the word you're looking for is parasite.
 
2012-09-17 03:49:29 PM  

badaboom: neongoats: badaboom: neongoats: badaboom: Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link

Uh huh, so we should piss a few hundred trillion dollars away on another ill defined land war.. Because Israel is kinda free(if you are Jewish), and Iran has censorship!

Why is the GOP so intent on making sure we kick off ww3 in our lifetimes? Literally every mid east nation but the Saudis would join against us. Russia and China would aid Iran with money and arms. And BAM, yet another cold war proxy war.

That's your wet dream, perpetual war. After all, it's not like billionaires like romneybot will be harmed, right.

Well. How much is RomneyPAC paying you per post to shill yet more wars we don't really care about and can't afford?


If Israel laid down its arms today do you think Iran would also stand down?

If Iran laid down its arms today do you think Israel or the US would attack?

Yes, I do think israel and the us would attack Iran IMMEDIATELY upon receiving confirmed intelligence that they are defenseless. The very farking moment.

How about you address a single point directed at you, instead of deflecting with bullshiat theoretical troll questions.

LOL. So you believe that Israel wants genocide? What would be there reason for attacking if Iran decided to mind its own farking business? And you are being too concrete. I did not mean give up its weapons for a moment. I meant Iran would give up its intention for destroying Israel for good.


Oh I'm sorry, I'm being to literal in my imagination of your fantasy scenario.

Hint: Iran has been minding its own business. I haven't heard even the derpiest of derptastic sources claim that they have initiated hostile action against ANYONE.

Sitting in your own country and hating on another one isn't exactly provocation. Pretty much anyone not English speaking and white would have all the excuse they need to invade lags chunks of the US if that were so.
 
2012-09-17 03:51:01 PM  
badaboom

theknuckler_33: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation.

Nice straw man.

Don't understand strawmen very well do we? I was only commenting on the contempt I see for Israel coming from the left. I made no other argument than that.



...and their comtempt for Israel is palatable (tasted like shiat), undeniable and unapologetic.
 
2012-09-17 03:52:39 PM  

badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear. Can't remember the last time Pakistan or China threatened to destroy anyone/



Yes, Iran has been assassinating Israel's scientists, sabotaging their computer systems, and blowing up Israel's power lines, along with their daily threats to bomb the shiat out poor little Israel.

Or is it the other way around?
 
2012-09-17 03:54:39 PM  
Greg Marmalard: But Delta's already on probation.

Dean Vernon Wormer: They are? Well, as of this moment, they're on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!
 
2012-09-17 03:55:46 PM  

badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.


Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?
 
2012-09-17 03:55:59 PM  

Amos Quito: Sheldon is betting that Mittens will be a more cooperative employee.


Well he sure did pay him enough.
 
2012-09-17 03:56:38 PM  
I think it's time for Bibi to go fark himself.
 
2012-09-17 03:56:40 PM  
neongoats

badaboom: neongoats: badaboom: neongoats: badaboom: Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link

Uh huh, so we should piss a few hundred trillion dollars away on another ill defined land war.. Because Israel is kinda free(if you are Jewish), and Iran has censorship!

Why is the GOP so intent on making sure we kick off ww3 in our lifetimes? Literally every mid east nation but the Saudis would join against us. Russia and China would aid Iran with money and arms. And BAM, yet another cold war proxy war.

That's your wet dream, perpetual war. After all, it's not like billionaires like romneybot will be harmed, right.

Well. How much is RomneyPAC paying you per post to shill yet more wars we don't really care about and can't afford?


If Israel laid down its arms today do you think Iran would also stand down?

If Iran laid down its arms today do you think Israel or the US would attack?

Yes, I do think israel and the us would attack Iran IMMEDIATELY upon receiving confirmed intelligence that they are defenseless. The very farking moment.

How about you address a single point directed at you, instead of deflecting with bullshiat theoretical troll questions.

LOL. So you believe that Israel wants genocide? What would be there reason for attacking if Iran decided to mind its own farking business? And you are being too concrete. I did not mean give up its weapons for a moment. I meant Iran would give up its intention for destroying Israel for good.

Oh I'm sorry, I'm being to literal in my imagination of your fantasy scenario.

Hint: Iran has been minding its own business. I haven't heard even the derpiest of derptastic sources claim that they have initiated hostile action against ANYONE.

Sitting in your own country and hating on another one isn't exactly provocation. Pretty much anyone not English speaking and white would have all the excuse they need to invade lags chunks of the US if that were so.

All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad's statement, including a description of it on his website, refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran's most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say "wipe off" or "wipe away" is more accurate than "vanish" because the Persian verb is active and transitive.
 
2012-09-17 03:58:15 PM  

badaboom: I am about as concerned about that as I am that Pakistan or China might start lobbing nukes, which is to say, not very much. Foreign policy of a world super-power should not be dictated by pants-wetting cowards who think their imminent destruction is just around the corner. If Iran bombs Israel then we, and Israel, and a whole host of other countries as well, will respond. That's the way things used to be, you got into a war because you were attacked.

Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear. Can't remember the last time Pakistan or China threatened to destroy anyone/


That hardly prevents conservatives from hand-wringing about China's imminent take-over of the US. We should totally preemptively strike Iran and risk all sorts of unintended consequences like strengthening the support of the radical government by its citizens, further spikes in oil prices sabotaging economies around the world, further complicating relations with Russia and China, and plunging perhaps the entire ME into war, not to mention putting American service people lives at risk over something someone said. Why aren't we flying bombing runs on a daily basis in North Korea that developed a nuke under Dubya and has been openly hostile to non-nuclear armed Japan?

But please, continue ignoring how you jump into the fray with a stupid straw man.
 
2012-09-17 03:59:11 PM  
Lionel Mandrake


badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.

Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?



I agree with this.....but Israel needs to know if they protect themselves from Iran with a pre-emptive strike, that someone will have their backs when the rest of the Middle East comes after them.
 
2012-09-17 04:03:19 PM  

neongoats: badaboom: neongoats: badaboom: neongoats: badaboom: Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link

Uh huh, so we should piss a few hundred trillion dollars away on another ill defined land war.. Because Israel is kinda free(if you are Jewish), and Iran has censorship!

Why is the GOP so intent on making sure we kick off ww3 in our lifetimes? Literally every mid east nation but the Saudis would join against us. Russia and China would aid Iran with money and arms. And BAM, yet another cold war proxy war.

That's your wet dream, perpetual war. After all, it's not like billionaires like romneybot will be harmed, right.

Well. How much is RomneyPAC paying you per post to shill yet more wars we don't really care about and can't afford?


If Israel laid down its arms today do you think Iran would also stand down?

If Iran laid down its arms today do you think Israel or the US would attack?

Yes, I do think israel and the us would attack Iran IMMEDIATELY upon receiving confirmed intelligence that they are defenseless. The very farking moment.

How about you address a single point directed at you, instead of deflecting with bullshiat theoretical troll questions.

LOL. So you believe that Israel wants genocide? What would be there reason for attacking if Iran decided to mind its own farking business? And you are being too concrete. I did not mean give up its weapons for a moment. I meant Iran would give up its intention for destroying Israel for good.

Oh I'm sorry, I'm being to literal in my imagination of your fantasy scenario.

Hint: Iran has been minding its own business. I haven't heard even the derpiest of derptastic sources claim that they have initiated hostile action against ANYONE.

Sitting in your own country and hating on another one isn't exactly provocation. Pretty much anyone not English speaking and white would have all the excuse they need to invade lags chunks of the US if that were so.


You are right. They are just kidding.

"The fake Zionist regime will disappear from the landscape of geography," vowed Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei. "This Islamic land will certainly be returned to the Palestinian nation."

Brig. Gen. Jalali, head of Iran's civil defense organization and former commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, was even more explicit. "To liberate Palestine, no other way exists apart from resolve and strength to completely eliminate and destroy Israel," he declared.

And Iranian President Ahmadinejad, true to form, chimed in by promising a "new Middle East with no trace of Americans or Israelis." The time has come, he added, to "remove the Zionist black stain from humanity.

And:

August 17, 2012

"The Zionist regime and the Zionists are a cancerous tumor. Even if the Zionists remain on one span (more like inch) of the Land of Palestine is dangerous, because they will come to have a legal and official government."

October 10, 2009

"The Zionist regime wants to establish its base upon the ruins of the civilizations of the region...The uniform shout of the Iranian nation is forever 'Death to Israel.'..."

(As quoted by Fars News Agency)

May 8, 2008

"Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken."

"Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation.... (Israel) has reached the end like a dead rat after being slapped by the Lebanese."

(Remarks on Israel's Independence Day, as quoted by Iran's official IRNA news agency)

June 3, 2007

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine . . . By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future."
(Speech, as quoted by the Fars News Agency)

"A new Middle East will definitely take shape, but with the grace of God and the help of the nations in this new Middle East, there will be no American or Zionist presence in it."

(Speech in Tehran marking annual Iran Quds Day protest against Israel's existence)

October 26, 2005

"Israel must be wiped off the map ... The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."

(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')
 
2012-09-17 04:08:09 PM  

DeltaPunch: DeltaPunch: Look, I understand his concerns and I certainly hope we can work together moving forward, but I really wish he'd just STFU and keep his nose out of our erections.

holy fark I really typed that didn't I? ELECTIONS....

/shouldn't type before coffee
//*grumble*


And yet it was the best comment here.
 
2012-09-17 04:10:08 PM  

karnal: Lionel Mandrake


badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.

Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?


I agree with this.....but Israel needs to know if they protect themselves from Iran with a pre-emptive strike, that someone will have their backs when the rest of the Middle East comes after them.


Maybe that's a reason not to do it in the first place. When the medicine (all out war in the ME) is worse than the disease (Ahmadinejad said bad things), you should think twice.
 
2012-09-17 04:12:08 PM  

theknuckler_33: karnal: Lionel Mandrake


badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.

Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?


I agree with this.....but Israel needs to know if they protect themselves from Iran with a pre-emptive strike, that someone will have their backs when the rest of the Middle East comes after them.

Maybe that's a reason not to do it in the first place. When the medicine (all out war in the ME) is worse than the disease (Ahmadinejad said bad things), you should think twice.


We won't know until it happens. Guess we will all collectively keep our fingers crossed.
 
2012-09-17 04:13:16 PM  
So, Israel wants us to jump in and back them up on a fight they are trying to start?

How about you guys clean up your own mess?
 
2012-09-17 04:15:59 PM  
Israel Firsters in my American election?

Isn't that an "Anti-Semitic Canard" ?

And here it comes again, like it has 200 times, Jews gonna get stomped because of the vicious minority in their ranks.
 
2012-09-17 04:15:59 PM  

karnal: Lionel Mandrake


badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.

Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?


I agree with this.....but Israel needs to know if they protect themselves from Iran with a pre-emptive strike, that someone will have their backs when the rest of the Middle East comes after them.



First, it won't be a "preemptive strike", it will be naked aggression. Israel has been "crying wolf" over Iran, their "imminent nuclear capability" and the "existential threat" it poses for TWENTY YEARS.

Second, the reason that there is fear of RETALIATION in the form of Iran crippling traffic in the Strait of Hormuz is that the US, Europe, and all of the other suckers that have been listening to Israel's whine ARE cooperating - levying horrendous sanctions, and implying cooperation in the attack.

That is why we are also seen as targets.

Does any of this remind you of the lies about Iraq fed to the West by Israel's Mossadniks prior to Gulf War II?

Yeah. Lies then, lies now.

Who was the primary beneficiary of Iraq being "tamed"?

Who will be the primary beneficiary if we attack Iran?
 
2012-09-17 04:18:59 PM  

badaboom: theknuckler_33: karnal: Lionel Mandrake


badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.

Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?


I agree with this.....but Israel needs to know if they protect themselves from Iran with a pre-emptive strike, that someone will have their backs when the rest of the Middle East comes after them.

Maybe that's a reason not to do it in the first place. When the medicine (all out war in the ME) is worse than the disease (Ahmadinejad said bad things), you should think twice.

We won't know until it happens. Guess we will all collectively keep our fingers crossed.


Don't pretend like nothing is being done. Sanctions may not be sexy or fast, but they have an effect. Last year was the first big sign of popular unrest since the revolution in the late 70s. Considering the 'two years away from getting a nuke' warning keeps getting pushed back again and again and again and again, I'm more inclined to ignore the 'cry wolf' warnings when the alternative has zero benefit to the US beyond the privilege of doing the bidding of Israel.
 
2012-09-17 04:19:06 PM  
Again, you all(I mean the war trolls) are just listing things Iran has said. They hate Israel, they talk about wanting to wipe them off the map, bla bla bla.

Please, point to an example where they, you know, do something.

Hint: invading nations because they talk shiat is stupid. And one might even say wrong. I can hate the ever living shiat out of someone, and I can rant and rave to everyone I know how it's my life's mission to crush and destroy you and your terrible, evil ways. But you can't farking arrest me for it, and it's just as farking flimsy a reason to invade a nation and piss away the lives of our servicemen.
 
2012-09-17 04:19:08 PM  

Amos Quito: karnal: Lionel Mandrake


badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.

Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?


I agree with this.....but Israel needs to know if they protect themselves from Iran with a pre-emptive strike, that someone will have their backs when the rest of the Middle East comes after them.


First, it won't be a "preemptive strike", it will be naked aggression. Israel has been "crying wolf" over Iran, their "imminent nuclear capability" and the "existential threat" it poses for TWENTY YEARS.

Second, the reason that there is fear of RETALIATION in the form of Iran crippling traffic in the Strait of Hormuz is that the US, Europe, and all of the other suckers that have been listening to Israel's whine ARE cooperating - levying horrendous sanctions, and implying cooperation in the attack.

That is why we are also seen as targets.

Does any of this remind you of the lies about Iraq fed to the West by Israel's Mossadniks prior to Gulf War II?

Yeah. Lies then, lies now.

Who was the primary beneficiary of Iraq being "tamed"?

Who will be the primary beneficiary if we attack Iran?


berkeley.intel-research.net
 
2012-09-17 04:22:48 PM  

badaboom: "Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken."

"Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation.... (Israel) has reached the end like a dead rat after being slapped by the Lebanese."

(Remarks on Israel's Independence Day, as quoted by Iran's official IRNA news agency)

June 3, 2007

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine . . . By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future."
(Speech, as quoted by the Fars News Agency)

"A new Middle East will definitely take shape, but with the grace of God and the help of the nations in this new Middle East, there will be no American or Zionist presence in it."

(Speech in Tehran marking annual Iran Quds Day protest against Israel's existence)

October 26, 2005

"Israel must be wiped off the map ... The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."

(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')




For your edification:

regime [ruh-zheem, rey-, or, sometimes, -jeem] Show IPA
noun
1. a mode or system of rule or government: a dictatorial regime.
2. a ruling or prevailing system.
3. a government in power.
4. the period during which a particular government or ruling system is in power.


Understanding what words mean can be helpful.
 
2012-09-17 04:25:51 PM  
Goy blood isn't real blood
 
2012-09-17 04:26:31 PM  

Amos Quito: badaboom: "Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken."

"Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation.... (Israel) has reached the end like a dead rat after being slapped by the Lebanese."

(Remarks on Israel's Independence Day, as quoted by Iran's official IRNA news agency)

June 3, 2007

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine . . . By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future."
(Speech, as quoted by the Fars News Agency)

"A new Middle East will definitely take shape, but with the grace of God and the help of the nations in this new Middle East, there will be no American or Zionist presence in it."

(Speech in Tehran marking annual Iran Quds Day protest against Israel's existence)

October 26, 2005

"Israel must be wiped off the map ... The establishment of a Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world . . . The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of the war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land."

(In an address to 4,000 students at a program titled, 'The World Without Zionism')



For your edification:

regime [ruh-zheem, rey-, or, sometimes, -jeem] Show IPA
noun
1. a mode or system of rule or government: a dictatorial regime.
2. a ruling or prevailing system.
3. a government in power.
4. the period during which a particular government or ruling system is in power.


Understanding what words mean can be helpful.


What's your point? Destroy the regime but leave the people alone? Hmm...wonder what would happen to the Jews if the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas was in charge of the land. I'm sure they wouldn't harm any Israelis
 
2012-09-17 04:27:44 PM  
Amos Quito

karnal: Lionel Mandrake


badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.

Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?


I agree with this.....but Israel needs to know if they protect themselves from Iran with a pre-emptive strike, that someone will have their backs when the rest of the Middle East comes after them.


First, it won't be a "preemptive strike", it will be naked aggression. Israel has been "crying wolf" over Iran, their "imminent nuclear capability" and the "existential threat" it poses for TWENTY YEARS.

Second, the reason that there is fear of RETALIATION in the form of Iran crippling traffic in the Strait of Hormuz is that the US, Europe, and all of the other suckers that have been listening to Israel's whine ARE cooperating - levying horrendous sanctions, and implying cooperation in the attack.

That is why we are also seen as targets.

Does any of this remind you of the lies about Iraq fed to the West by Israel's Mossadniks prior to Gulf War II?

Yeah. Lies then, lies now.

Who was the primary beneficiary of Iraq being "tamed"?

Who will be the primary beneficiary if we attack Iran?


If we did it right, we would also benefit from it.....if we would have handled Iraq correctly we would be sitting on something like 200 billion bbl of oil....and with Iran literally floating on a giant ocean of oil, the benefits there would be substantial. If we take the time and money to invade, the least we could do is claim the oil rights...especially since we discovered most of it to begin with.
 
2012-09-17 04:28:41 PM  

badaboom: Amos Quito: karnal: Lionel Mandrake


badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.

Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?


I agree with this.....but Israel needs to know if they protect themselves from Iran with a pre-emptive strike, that someone will have their backs when the rest of the Middle East comes after them.


First, it won't be a "preemptive strike", it will be naked aggression. Israel has been "crying wolf" over Iran, their "imminent nuclear capability" and the "existential threat" it poses for TWENTY YEARS.

Second, the reason that there is fear of RETALIATION in the form of Iran crippling traffic in the Strait of Hormuz is that the US, Europe, and all of the other suckers that have been listening to Israel's whine ARE cooperating - levying horrendous sanctions, and implying cooperation in the attack.

That is why we are also seen as targets.

Does any of this remind you of the lies about Iraq fed to the West by Israel's Mossadniks prior to Gulf War II?

Yeah. Lies then, lies now.

Who was the primary beneficiary of Iraq being "tamed"?

Who will be the primary beneficiary if we attack Iran?

[berkeley.intel-research.net image 410x307]



LULZ!

The attack on Iraq was a substantial benefit to Israel. Would you like a quote where Netanyahu says the same?

Would you like to read a quote where John "The Mustache" Bolton promises Ariel Sharon that once the US is finished with Iraq, we would attack Libya, Iran and Syria?

That was 2003. 

And they said all the prophets were dead.
 
2012-09-17 04:29:44 PM  

neongoats: beta_plus: Parthenogenetic: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.

Israel and Islamic nations are both equally bad, so let muslims murder american diplomats!

LET? What should we do, swing our dick and start invading every county that protests the US?

Moron.


Yeah, we'll just arrest people for posting videos on youtube instead.

/Hope & Change!
 
2012-09-17 04:31:47 PM  

karnal: If we did it right, we would also benefit from it.....if we would have handled Iraq correctly we would be sitting on something like 200 billion bbl of oil....and with Iran literally floating on a giant ocean of oil, the benefits there would be substantial. If we take the time and money to invade, the least we could do is claim the oil rights...especially since we discovered most of it to begin with.


OK, now that HAD to be sarcasm. Right?

/right?
 
2012-09-17 04:32:12 PM  

Amos Quito: badaboom: Amos Quito: karnal: Lionel Mandrake


badaboom: Except Iran has made their intentions quite clear.

Maybe Israel should do something about that.

Why should we?


I agree with this.....but Israel needs to know if they protect themselves from Iran with a pre-emptive strike, that someone will have their backs when the rest of the Middle East comes after them.


First, it won't be a "preemptive strike", it will be naked aggression. Israel has been "crying wolf" over Iran, their "imminent nuclear capability" and the "existential threat" it poses for TWENTY YEARS.

Second, the reason that there is fear of RETALIATION in the form of Iran crippling traffic in the Strait of Hormuz is that the US, Europe, and all of the other suckers that have been listening to Israel's whine ARE cooperating - levying horrendous sanctions, and implying cooperation in the attack.

That is why we are also seen as targets.

Does any of this remind you of the lies about Iraq fed to the West by Israel's Mossadniks prior to Gulf War II?

Yeah. Lies then, lies now.

Who was the primary beneficiary of Iraq being "tamed"?

Who will be the primary beneficiary if we attack Iran?

[berkeley.intel-research.net image 410x307]


LULZ!

The attack on Iraq was a substantial benefit to Israel. Would you like a quote where Netanyahu says the same?

Would you like to read a quote where John "The Mustache" Bolton promises Ariel Sharon that once the US is finished with Iraq, we would attack Libya, Iran and Syria?

That was 2003. 

And they said all the prophets were dead.


And our attack on Germany was a substantial benefit to France and England. What's your point?
 
2012-09-17 04:33:21 PM  
"Deputy Prime Minister Dan Meridor told Israel Radio the United States should not wait for Iran to decide on building a bomb before it considers military action."

What does that even farking mean? "We're not sure if Iran wants to build a bomb or not, but you better bomb them anyway before they decide what they're going to do"?

These officials are some of the worst communicators imaginable. How about Netanyahu's statement that the Iranians are "six months or so away from being 90% of the way toward creating a nuclear weapon"? What the fark does that MEAN??
 
2012-09-17 04:33:48 PM  

beta_plus: Yeah, we'll just arrest people for posting videos on youtube instead.


I believe he was arrested for violating terms of his probation.

But you knew that already, didn't you?
 
2012-09-17 04:38:24 PM  

beta_plus: Yeah, we'll just arrest people for posting videos on youtube instead.


When you have to lie or omit information to prove your point, you've already lost in an honest exchange of ideas. If you have to abandon truth to get what you want, you probably shouldn't have what you want.
 
2012-09-17 04:38:58 PM  

beta_plus: neongoats: beta_plus: Parthenogenetic: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.

Israel and Islamic nations are both equally bad, so let muslims murder american diplomats!

LET? What should we do, swing our dick and start invading every county that protests the US?

Moron.

Yeah, we'll just arrest people for posting videos on youtube instead.

/Hope & Change!


Hey look! Another "conservative" referencing something that didn't happen!
 
2012-09-17 04:49:43 PM  
anendtoempire.files.wordpress.com

Go ahead and draw your red line, Israel. What you telling us about it for?
 
2012-09-17 04:51:10 PM  

Suede head: [anendtoempire.files.wordpress.com image 728x421]

Go ahead and draw your red line, Israel. What you telling us about it for?


I'm gonna need a citation for that Ariel Sharon quote.
 
2012-09-17 04:51:50 PM  

Suede head: [anendtoempire.files.wordpress.com image 728x421]

Go ahead and draw your red line, Israel. What you telling us about it for?


And there you go, from the horse's mouth - they are what we thought they were.
 
2012-09-17 04:52:57 PM  

badaboom: What's your point? Destroy the regime but leave the people alone? Hmm...wonder what would happen to the Jews if the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas was in charge of the land. I'm sure they wouldn't harm any Israelis



The problem started over 100 years ago when Theodor Herzl and his pals set their minds to carving out a chunk of Palestine for Jews - most of whom were contentedly living in Europe at the time, their families never having never set foot anywhere near the place in hundreds and hundreds of years.

Most Jews wanted no part of the scheme - and for good reason: ZIONISM WAS A BAD IDEA. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. The Zionist "struggle" has brought NOTHING but heartache, death, suffering and trouble - not only for the other residents of the entire region, but for the Jews, who were at first conned, and then FORCED into moving into that perpetually hostile place.

Stupid squirrel sets up housekeeping in a farking HORNET'S NEST, and then whines incessantly that it is constantly under the threat of being stung.

Israel is a snowball in hell, and eventually, the heat will have its effect. The only question is how much damage will be done as she melts.

Zionism is not and never has been "good for the Jews", let alone anyone else.
 
2012-09-17 04:54:10 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: beta_plus: neongoats: beta_plus: Parthenogenetic: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.

Israel and Islamic nations are both equally bad, so let muslims murder american diplomats!

LET? What should we do, swing our dick and start invading every county that protests the US?

Moron.

Yeah, we'll just arrest people for posting videos on youtube instead.

/Hope & Change!

Hey look! Another "conservative" referencing something that didn't happen!


About as bad ad all the Libs who believe the riots are about the movie and have nothing to do with the United States. Or that this is "spontaneous" protest against an anti-Islam film
 
2012-09-17 04:56:54 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Suede head: [anendtoempire.files.wordpress.com image 728x421]

Go ahead and draw your red line, Israel. What you telling us about it for?

And there you go, from the horse's mouth - they are what we thought they were.


Careful, quick draw.
 
2012-09-17 04:57:33 PM  

Amos Quito: badaboom: What's your point? Destroy the regime but leave the people alone? Hmm...wonder what would happen to the Jews if the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas was in charge of the land. I'm sure they wouldn't harm any Israelis


The problem started over 100 years ago when Theodor Herzl and his pals set their minds to carving out a chunk of Palestine for Jews - most of whom were contentedly living in Europe at the time, their families never having never set foot anywhere near the place in hundreds and hundreds of years.

Most Jews wanted no part of the scheme - and for good reason: ZIONISM WAS A BAD IDEA. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. The Zionist "struggle" has brought NOTHING but heartache, death, suffering and trouble - not only for the other residents of the entire region, but for the Jews, who were at first conned, and then FORCED into moving into that perpetually hostile place.

Stupid squirrel sets up housekeeping in a farking HORNET'S NEST, and then whines incessantly that it is constantly under the threat of being stung.

Israel is a snowball in hell, and eventually, the heat will have its effect. The only question is how much damage will be done as she melts.

Zionism is not and never has been "good for the Jews", let alone anyone else.


And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?
 
2012-09-17 04:58:26 PM  

PsiChick: DeltaPunch: DeltaPunch: Look, I understand his concerns and I certainly hope we can work together moving forward, but I really wish he'd just STFU and keep his nose out of our erections.

holy fark I really typed that didn't I? ELECTIONS....

/shouldn't type before coffee
//*grumble*

And yet it was the best comment here.


goodcomics.comicbookresources.com
 
2012-09-17 05:00:25 PM  

badaboom: And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?



Where did the Nazis go? They had men, women and children there too.

Evil is evil and should be exterminated on sight.
 
2012-09-17 05:03:35 PM  

badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: beta_plus: neongoats: beta_plus: Parthenogenetic: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.

Israel and Islamic nations are both equally bad, so let muslims murder american diplomats!

LET? What should we do, swing our dick and start invading every county that protests the US?

Moron.

Yeah, we'll just arrest people for posting videos on youtube instead.

/Hope & Change!

Hey look! Another "conservative" referencing something that didn't happen!

About as bad ad all the Libs who believe the riots are about the movie and have nothing to do with the United States. Or that this is "spontaneous" protest against an anti-Islam film


1) b-b-b-b-but!!1! arguments are lame
2) no one I know thinks that. The movie may been a spark for the powderkeg, but no one thinks it's 100% because of the stupid film
 
2012-09-17 05:05:34 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-17 05:05:55 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: badaboom: And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?


Where did the Nazis go? They had men, women and children there too.

Evil is evil and should be exterminated on sight.


Thank Goodness Americans are pure and good. would be terrible if anyone thought we should be exterminated on sight.
 
2012-09-17 05:08:31 PM  

Amos Quito: The problem started over 100 years ago when Theodor Herzl


You really expect an understanding of history will effect the views of the modern conservative?
 
2012-09-17 05:10:03 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: beta_plus: neongoats: beta_plus: Parthenogenetic: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Meh. You forgot to mention that "Nazi" is a contraction of "Nationalsozialismus", that liberals are socialists, and therefore liberalism is fascism.

Also, both sides are bad, so vote Republican.

Israel and Islamic nations are both equally bad, so let muslims murder american diplomats!

LET? What should we do, swing our dick and start invading every county that protests the US?

Moron.

Yeah, we'll just arrest people for posting videos on youtube instead.

/Hope & Change!

Hey look! Another "conservative" referencing something that didn't happen!

About as bad ad all the Libs who believe the riots are about the movie and have nothing to do with the United States. Or that this is "spontaneous" protest against an anti-Islam film

1) b-b-b-b-but!!1! arguments are lame
2) no one I know thinks that. The movie may been a spark for the powderkeg, but no one thinks it's 100% because of the stupid film


No one except the administration but I guess that does not count

A deadly assault on a U.S. consulate in Libya was a spontaneous reaction to an anti-Muslim video, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said Sunday, even as Libya's president insisted the attackers spent months preparing and carefully choosing their date - the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Link
 
2012-09-17 05:10:41 PM  
 
2012-09-17 05:11:48 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: badaboom: And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?


Where did the Nazis go? They had men, women and children there too.

Evil is evil and should be exterminated on sight.


Huh? You are suggesting Israel is evil and should be exterminated? I hope I read that wrong.
 
2012-09-17 05:12:04 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Insatiable Jesus: badaboom: And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?


Where did the Nazis go? They had men, women and children there too.

Evil is evil and should be exterminated on sight.

Thank Goodness Americans are pure and good. would be terrible if anyone thought we should be exterminated on sight.



Get back to me when "Americans" have a 3000 year history of farking over everybody around them in the most insidious of ways.
 
2012-09-17 05:12:09 PM  

indylaw: Suede head: [anendtoempire.files.wordpress.com image 728x421]

Go ahead and draw your red line, Israel. What you telling us about it for?

I'm gonna need a citation for that Ariel Sharon quote.



I can't comment on the accuracy of the above, but here's another Sharon quote that - in hindsight - validates the point:


Sharon says U.S. should also disarm Iran, Libya and Syria

Haaretz - Feb.18, 2003

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said yesterday that Iran, Libya and Syria should be stripped of weapons of mass destruction after Iraq.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said yesterday that Iran, Libya and Syria should be stripped of weapons of mass destruction after Iraq. "These are irresponsible states, which must be disarmed of weapons mass destruction, and a successful American move in Iraq as a model will make that easier to achieve," Sharon said to a visiting delegation of American congressmen.

Sharon told the congressmen that Israel was not involved in the war with Iraq "but the American action is of vital importance."

In a meeting with U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton yesterday, Sharon said that Israel was concerned about the security threat posed by Iran, and stressed that it was important to deal with Iran even while American attention was focused on Iraq.

Bolton said in meetings with Israeli officials that he had no doubt America would attack Iraq, and that it would be necessary thereafter to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea.

END QUOTE

Remember, this was 2003

Libya? Gone
Syria? Waving goodbye
Iran? Who's next?

When Izzy goes tizzy, Uncle Sam gets busy!


/North Korea? WTF?
 
2012-09-17 05:13:56 PM  

badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: What's your point? Destroy the regime but leave the people alone? Hmm...wonder what would happen to the Jews if the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas was in charge of the land. I'm sure they wouldn't harm any Israelis


The problem started over 100 years ago when Theodor Herzl and his pals set their minds to carving out a chunk of Palestine for Jews - most of whom were contentedly living in Europe at the time, their families never having never set foot anywhere near the place in hundreds and hundreds of years.

Most Jews wanted no part of the scheme - and for good reason: ZIONISM WAS A BAD IDEA. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. The Zionist "struggle" has brought NOTHING but heartache, death, suffering and trouble - not only for the other residents of the entire region, but for the Jews, who were at first conned, and then FORCED into moving into that perpetually hostile place.

Stupid squirrel sets up housekeeping in a farking HORNET'S NEST, and then whines incessantly that it is constantly under the threat of being stung.

Israel is a snowball in hell, and eventually, the heat will have its effect. The only question is how much damage will be done as she melts.

Zionism is not and never has been "good for the Jews", let alone anyone else.

And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?



mycatbirdseat.com

Helen had some ideas
 
2012-09-17 05:14:10 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Philip Francis Queeg: Insatiable Jesus: badaboom: And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?


Where did the Nazis go? They had men, women and children there too.

Evil is evil and should be exterminated on sight.

Thank Goodness Americans are pure and good. would be terrible if anyone thought we should be exterminated on sight.


Get back to me when "Americans" have a 3000 year history of farking over everybody around them in the most insidious of ways.


Yeah, we've only been farking everyone around us over for for 235 years.
 
2012-09-17 05:15:13 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Mother Jones might have just performed the Coup de grâce on the Romney campaign.


I'm not sure I agree with that assessment, but the idea that Romney thinks the 47 (or whatever) percent that pay no (federal) income tax all support Obama is about as laughable a concept as anything I can imagine.
 
2012-09-17 05:15:15 PM  

Amos Quito: indylaw: Suede head: [anendtoempire.files.wordpress.com image 728x421]

Go ahead and draw your red line, Israel. What you telling us about it for?

I'm gonna need a citation for that Ariel Sharon quote.


I can't comment on the accuracy of the above, but here's another Sharon quote that - in hindsight - validates the point:


Sharon says U.S. should also disarm Iran, Libya and Syria

Haaretz - Feb.18, 2003

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said yesterday that Iran, Libya and Syria should be stripped of weapons of mass destruction after Iraq.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said yesterday that Iran, Libya and Syria should be stripped of weapons of mass destruction after Iraq. "These are irresponsible states, which must be disarmed of weapons mass destruction, and a successful American move in Iraq as a model will make that easier to achieve," Sharon said to a visiting delegation of American congressmen.

Sharon told the congressmen that Israel was not involved in the war with Iraq "but the American action is of vital importance."

In a meeting with U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton yesterday, Sharon said that Israel was concerned about the security threat posed by Iran, and stressed that it was important to deal with Iran even while American attention was focused on Iraq.

Bolton said in meetings with Israeli officials that he had no doubt America would attack Iraq, and that it would be necessary thereafter to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea.

END QUOTE

Remember, this was 2003

Libya? Gone
Syria? Waving goodbye
Iran? Who's next?

When Izzy goes tizzy, Uncle Sam gets busy!


/North Korea? WTF?


How does this post even remotely support what was in the pictured quote?
 
2012-09-17 05:16:04 PM  

badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: What's your point? Destroy the regime but leave the people alone? Hmm...wonder what would happen to the Jews if the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas was in charge of the land. I'm sure they wouldn't harm any Israelis


The problem started over 100 years ago when Theodor Herzl and his pals set their minds to carving out a chunk of Palestine for Jews - most of whom were contentedly living in Europe at the time, their families never having never set foot anywhere near the place in hundreds and hundreds of years.

Most Jews wanted no part of the scheme - and for good reason: ZIONISM WAS A BAD IDEA. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. The Zionist "struggle" has brought NOTHING but heartache, death, suffering and trouble - not only for the other residents of the entire region, but for the Jews, who were at first conned, and then FORCED into moving into that perpetually hostile place.

Stupid squirrel sets up housekeeping in a farking HORNET'S NEST, and then whines incessantly that it is constantly under the threat of being stung.

Israel is a snowball in hell, and eventually, the heat will have its effect. The only question is how much damage will be done as she melts.

Zionism is not and never has been "good for the Jews", let alone anyone else.

And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?


They could just stay where they are and get used to the idea of being Palestinian Jews instead of Israelis.
 
2012-09-17 05:17:37 PM  

Amos Quito: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: What's your point? Destroy the regime but leave the people alone? Hmm...wonder what would happen to the Jews if the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas was in charge of the land. I'm sure they wouldn't harm any Israelis


The problem started over 100 years ago when Theodor Herzl and his pals set their minds to carving out a chunk of Palestine for Jews - most of whom were contentedly living in Europe at the time, their families never having never set foot anywhere near the place in hundreds and hundreds of years.

Most Jews wanted no part of the scheme - and for good reason: ZIONISM WAS A BAD IDEA. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. The Zionist "struggle" has brought NOTHING but heartache, death, suffering and trouble - not only for the other residents of the entire region, but for the Jews, who were at first conned, and then FORCED into moving into that perpetually hostile place.

Stupid squirrel sets up housekeeping in a farking HORNET'S NEST, and then whines incessantly that it is constantly under the threat of being stung.

Israel is a snowball in hell, and eventually, the heat will have its effect. The only question is how much damage will be done as she melts.

Zionism is not and never has been "good for the Jews", let alone anyone else.

And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?


[mycatbirdseat.com image 175x235]

Helen had some ideas


Amos Quito: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: What's your point? Destroy the regime but leave the people alone? Hmm...wonder what would happen to the Jews if the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas was in charge of the land. I'm sure they wouldn't harm any Israelis


The problem started over 100 years ago when Theodor Herzl and his pals set their minds to carving out a chunk of Palestine for Jews - most of whom were contentedly living in Europe at the time, their families never having never set foot anywhere near the place in hundreds and hundreds of years.

Most Jews wanted no part of the scheme - and for good reason: ZIONISM WAS A BAD IDEA. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. The Zionist "struggle" has brought NOTHING but heartache, death, suffering and trouble - not only for the other residents of the entire region, but for the Jews, who were at first conned, and then FORCED into moving into that perpetually hostile place.

Stupid squirrel sets up housekeeping in a farking HORNET'S NEST, and then whines incessantly that it is constantly under the threat of being stung.

Israel is a snowball in hell, and eventually, the heat will have its effect. The only question is how much damage will be done as she melts.

Zionism is not and never has been "good for the Jews", let alone anyone else.

And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?


[mycatbirdseat.com image 175x235]

Helen had some ideas


Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.
 
2012-09-17 05:19:35 PM  

badaboom: No one except the administration but I guess that does not count

A deadly assault on a U.S. consulate in Libya was a spontaneous reaction to an anti-Muslim video, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said Sunday, even as Libya's president insisted the attackers spent months preparing and carefully choosing their date - the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.


Well, I disagree, and everyone I know does, too. I don't think that position will stand.

I'll still take it over a macho-man, tough-guy response
 
2012-09-17 05:19:57 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: What's your point? Destroy the regime but leave the people alone? Hmm...wonder what would happen to the Jews if the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas was in charge of the land. I'm sure they wouldn't harm any Israelis


The problem started over 100 years ago when Theodor Herzl and his pals set their minds to carving out a chunk of Palestine for Jews - most of whom were contentedly living in Europe at the time, their families never having never set foot anywhere near the place in hundreds and hundreds of years.

Most Jews wanted no part of the scheme - and for good reason: ZIONISM WAS A BAD IDEA. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now. The Zionist "struggle" has brought NOTHING but heartache, death, suffering and trouble - not only for the other residents of the entire region, but for the Jews, who were at first conned, and then FORCED into moving into that perpetually hostile place.

Stupid squirrel sets up housekeeping in a farking HORNET'S NEST, and then whines incessantly that it is constantly under the threat of being stung.

Israel is a snowball in hell, and eventually, the heat will have its effect. The only question is how much damage will be done as she melts.

Zionism is not and never has been "good for the Jews", let alone anyone else.

And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?

They could just stay where they are and get used to the idea of being Palestinian Jews instead of Israelis.


Except if given the choice of remaining an Israeli Arab or a Palestinian Arab more would prefer to remain Israeli.
 
2012-09-17 05:21:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: No one except the administration but I guess that does not count

A deadly assault on a U.S. consulate in Libya was a spontaneous reaction to an anti-Muslim video, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said Sunday, even as Libya's president insisted the attackers spent months preparing and carefully choosing their date - the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Well, I disagree, and everyone I know does, too. I don't think that position will stand.

I'll still take it over a macho-man, tough-guy response


Not looking for a macho man response. Just looking for an honest one. In this case, the administration continues to fark the movie chicken. Having the story be Muslims still hate us even with Obama is not good for reelection campaign.
 
2012-09-17 05:26:55 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom:And yet they live there NOW. Living, breathing human beings. Cry all you want about conspiracy and evil world domination of the Jews. Fact is Israel exists and there are men/woman/children who live there. Where do you suggest they go?

They could just stay where they are and get used to the idea of being Palestinian Jews instead of Israelis.


I'll agree with badaboom in one respect... what you suggested is not a realistic option. At this point, if the nation of Israel somehow goes away, jews that live in that area will never be safe. I understand what you are saying... that perhaps never creating a 'nation of Israel' in '48 (or whatever) would probably have been the best decision, but that didn't happen and thinking that Israel could be disbanded and go back to the way things were before '48 is wishful thinking at best. If Israel falls, there will be genocide (again) for sure. If we're going to stop genocide, we might as well support Israel as it stands today... at least as far as 'support' means 'preventing the country from being eliminated'. I'm 100% against Israel dictating US middle-east policy, but there really isn't much choice but supporting the state of Israel at this point. That doesn't mean preemptively attacking Iran by any means, but it is what it is.
 
2012-09-17 05:27:35 PM  

badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.



Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.
 
2012-09-17 05:29:16 PM  

theknuckler_33: Hobodeluxe: Mother Jones might have just performed the Coup de grâce on the Romney campaign.

I'm not sure I agree with that assessment, but the idea that Romney thinks the 47 (or whatever) percent that pay no (federal) income tax all support Obama is about as laughable a concept as anything I can imagine.


And I doubt he actually believes that, but it's what the blurred out millionaires sitting in front of him writing checks want to hear.
 
2012-09-17 05:29:32 PM  

badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: No one except the administration but I guess that does not count

A deadly assault on a U.S. consulate in Libya was a spontaneous reaction to an anti-Muslim video, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said Sunday, even as Libya's president insisted the attackers spent months preparing and carefully choosing their date - the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Well, I disagree, and everyone I know does, too. I don't think that position will stand.

I'll still take it over a macho-man, tough-guy response

Not looking for a macho man response. Just looking for an honest one. In this case, the administration continues to fark the movie chicken. Having the story be Muslims still hate us even with Obama is not good for reelection campaign.


And only a libtard like 0bama would take an upcoming election - or foreign relations - into account, right?

And who the fark thinks the Muslims who hated us before stopped hating us when Obama was elected? (that's probably why Obama has killed so many of them)

There may be a few, but I would contend they're too rare and too stupid to be of much concern/
 
2012-09-17 05:30:47 PM  

Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.


And what would you like to see that fate be?
 
2012-09-17 05:31:27 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Mother Jones might have just performed the Coup de grâce on the Romney campaign.


Nahhhh. "Democrats are bums" is a pretty standard Republican thing. Ain't gonna shock anyone. "I'd have a better chance if I was half Mexican" will only bother liberals. Its probably worth about half a point in the polls. Suprised the camera guy even bothered to leak it.

Though, it did say there was more to come at the bottom. Could easily be a proper hammerblow in there somewhere.
 
2012-09-17 05:33:48 PM  

cmb53208: You want a red line Bibi? There's a Red Line in Chicago, it runs from Howard Avenue south to 95th Street. There's your farking red line asshole.


Right now I am picturing Netanyahu at the 95th Street station on a Friday night, all by his lonesome. Pretty soon, he would be on the Brown Line...... leaking from his pants.
 
2012-09-17 05:36:04 PM  

Amos Quito: indylaw: Suede head: [anendtoempire.files.wordpress.com image 728x421]

Go ahead and draw your red line, Israel. What you telling us about it for?

I'm gonna need a citation for that Ariel Sharon quote.


I can't comment on the accuracy of the above, but here's another Sharon quote that - in hindsight - validates the point:


Sharon says U.S. should also disarm Iran, Libya and Syria

Haaretz - Feb.18, 2003

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said yesterday that Iran, Libya and Syria should be stripped of weapons of mass destruction after Iraq.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said yesterday that Iran, Libya and Syria should be stripped of weapons of mass destruction after Iraq. "These are irresponsible states, which must be disarmed of weapons mass destruction, and a successful American move in Iraq as a model will make that easier to achieve," Sharon said to a visiting delegation of American congressmen.

Sharon told the congressmen that Israel was not involved in the war with Iraq "but the American action is of vital importance."

In a meeting with U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton yesterday, Sharon said that Israel was concerned about the security threat posed by Iran, and stressed that it was important to deal with Iran even while American attention was focused on Iraq.

Bolton said in meetings with Israeli officials that he had no doubt America would attack Iraq, and that it would be necessary thereafter to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea.

END QUOTE

Remember, this was 2003

Libya? Gone
Syria? Waving goodbye
Iran? Who's next?

When Izzy goes tizzy, Uncle Sam gets busy!


/North Korea? WTF?


Libya and Syria had actual revolutions though. Granted, if one of those topples the Iranian regime with the sort of limited assistance we provided in Libya, you won't see me bat an eyelash. Or are you of the opinion that our Psyops is indeed that good?
 
2012-09-17 05:38:02 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Mother Jones might have just performed the Coup de grâce on the Romney campaign.


Wow.
 
2012-09-17 05:40:51 PM  

badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?


To meerly hope that it falls apart or is taken apart with as little screaming and burning as possible.
 
2012-09-17 05:43:01 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Mother Jones might have just performed the Coup de grâce on the Romney campaign.


RUH-ROH!
 
2012-09-17 05:44:53 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?

To meerly hope that it falls apart or is taken apart with as little screaming and burning as possible.


How do you think anyone who is Jewish would do under the new management?
 
2012-09-17 05:48:30 PM  
The question is if the US shall continue pumping $30B or so per annum into a country that obviously cannot sustain itself. The Israel idea was a bad one, and even worse is that it's leaders are unwilling and unable to seek a solution that would be sustainable. Instead it uses blackmailing...
That or Israel has to end.
 
2012-09-17 05:51:20 PM  

badaboom:


[standupforamerica.files.wordpress.com image 338x500]

Well I hope that you or no one you know isn't gay


Enjoy your vacation.
 
2012-09-17 05:51:37 PM  

Pharque-it: The question is if the US shall continue pumping $30B or so per annum into a country that obviously cannot sustain itself. The Israel idea was a bad one, and even worse is that it's leaders are unwilling and unable to seek a solution that would be sustainable. Instead it uses blackmailing...
That or Israel has to end.



What would replace it and what would you do with the 7 million people living there? Also, you do know that we also pump Billions into Egypt, Palestine, Pakistan, etc. Should we end that too?
 
2012-09-17 05:54:20 PM  

badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?

To meerly hope that it falls apart or is taken apart with as little screaming and burning as possible.

How do you think anyone who is Jewish would do under the new management?


No idea. Depends a lot on how we get from here to there and on many other factors. In any case, simple mass extermination is unlikely.
 
2012-09-17 05:55:13 PM  

Somacandra: Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.


Well, no more free weapons. If they want to support the US's domestic arms industry by actually paying for shiat for once, that's cool with us. But no weapons in the form of aid and no using aid money to buy weapons anymore. They can get in line with everyone else.

It's not so much a question of cutting them off as subjecting them to the same restrictions we put on aid for everyone else.
 
2012-09-17 05:55:37 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?

To meerly hope that it falls apart or is taken apart with as little screaming and burning as possible.

How do you think anyone who is Jewish would do under the new management?

No idea. Depends a lot on how we get from here to there and on many other factors. In any case, simple mass extermination is unlikely.



But a little extermination would be ok?
 
2012-09-17 05:58:42 PM  

Maud Dib: badaboom:


[standupforamerica.files.wordpress.com image 338x500]

Well I hope that you or no one you know isn't gay

Enjoy your vacation.


Where do you think it is nicer this time of year? Yemen, Tunisia, or Iran? Need some ideas.
 
2012-09-17 06:00:06 PM  

Pharque-it: That or Israel has to end.


Got an idea - let's switch around the Israelis and Quebecois. That may not solve many issues, but dosh garnet, it would it be entertaining for a few generations!
 
2012-09-17 06:05:30 PM  

badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?

To meerly hope that it falls apart or is taken apart with as little screaming and burning as possible.

How do you think anyone who is Jewish would do under the new management?

No idea. Depends a lot on how we get from here to there and on many other factors. In any case, simple mass extermination is unlikely.


But a little extermination would be ok?


Not really no. But if you can get this knot neatly untangled there's a Nobel in it for you.
 
2012-09-17 06:06:57 PM  

Brick-House: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 576x381]


Listen I dont want you to get in trouble with your handlers, SG already has the threadshiat post offensive picture and run thing down, just wanted to give you a heads up.
 
2012-09-17 06:07:33 PM  

badaboom: Pharque-it: The question is if the US shall continue pumping $30B or so per annum into a country that obviously cannot sustain itself. The Israel idea was a bad one, and even worse is that it's leaders are unwilling and unable to seek a solution that would be sustainable. Instead it uses blackmailing...
That or Israel has to end.


What would replace it and what would you do with the 7 million people living there? Also, you do know that we also pump Billions into Egypt, Palestine, Pakistan, etc. Should we end that too?


They could probably stay or move. It is the state of Israel , the invasion, that is hated, much more than her occupants. These other countries are self sustained, and the billions paid could most likely be reduced if Israel did not exist.
 
2012-09-17 06:08:59 PM  

Pharque-it: badaboom: Pharque-it: The question is if the US shall continue pumping $30B or so per annum into a country that obviously cannot sustain itself. The Israel idea was a bad one, and even worse is that it's leaders are unwilling and unable to seek a solution that would be sustainable. Instead it uses blackmailing...
That or Israel has to end.


What would replace it and what would you do with the 7 million people living there? Also, you do know that we also pump Billions into Egypt, Palestine, Pakistan, etc. Should we end that too?

They could probably stay or move. It is the state of Israel , the invasion, that is hated, much more than her occupants. These other countries are self sustained, and the billions paid could most likely be reduced if Israel did not exist.


You might want to google that. Check how much Egypt gets for example.
 
2012-09-17 06:18:04 PM  

badaboom: Pharque-it: badaboom: Pharque-it: The question is if the US shall continue pumping $30B or so per annum into a country that obviously cannot sustain itself. The Israel idea was a bad one, and even worse is that it's leaders are unwilling and unable to seek a solution that would be sustainable. Instead it uses blackmailing...
That or Israel has to end.


What would replace it and what would you do with the 7 million people living there? Also, you do know that we also pump Billions into Egypt, Palestine, Pakistan, etc. Should we end that too?

They could probably stay or move. It is the state of Israel , the invasion, that is hated, much more than her occupants. These other countries are self sustained, and the billions paid could most likely be reduced if Israel did not exist.

You might want to google that. Check how much Egypt gets for example.


To not attack Israel? A lot!
 
2012-09-17 06:20:54 PM  

badaboom: You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?


www.reactionface.info
 
2012-09-17 06:23:15 PM  
No shirt, no shoes, no Israel, no problem.
 
2012-09-17 06:25:33 PM  

Pharque-it: badaboom: Pharque-it: badaboom: Pharque-it: The question is if the US shall continue pumping $30B or so per annum into a country that obviously cannot sustain itself. The Israel idea was a bad one, and even worse is that it's leaders are unwilling and unable to seek a solution that would be sustainable. Instead it uses blackmailing...
That or Israel has to end.


What would replace it and what would you do with the 7 million people living there? Also, you do know that we also pump Billions into Egypt, Palestine, Pakistan, etc. Should we end that too?

They could probably stay or move. It is the state of Israel , the invasion, that is hated, much more than her occupants. These other countries are self sustained, and the billions paid could most likely be reduced if Israel did not exist.

You might want to google that. Check how much Egypt gets for example.

To not attack Israel? A lot!


That may be part but you probably have it wrong. Preventing Egypt from attacking Israel is NOT for Israel's sake. It is for Egypt to prevent their arse from being handed to them yet again.
 
2012-09-17 06:39:31 PM  
Why again do we care if Israel gets wiped off the map?
 
2012-09-17 06:45:45 PM  
You know if we really need to go to war with Iran then so be it. Israel is our ally and we should help them if the shiat hits the fan.

But these obvious attempts to interfere in US elections and drum us into another war are farking disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.



I can only hope our unwavering support of Israel dies with our older generations. They should be treated as any other ally.
 
2012-09-17 06:52:10 PM  

badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?



Me? I love happy endings.

filmandfelt.com

Puppy dogs, ponies, white picket fences - that sort of thing.

/ It's a Wonderful Life
 
2012-09-17 06:54:14 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why again do we care if Israel gets wiped off the map?


I think because Jesus.
Which makes the whole thing even more absurd.
 
2012-09-17 06:55:06 PM  

badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?

To meerly hope that it falls apart or is taken apart with as little screaming and burning as possible.

How do you think anyone who is Jewish would do under the new management?



Well, that depends. How have they been treating those that they currently "manage"?

Maybe they could work on some policy changes - you know - as a gesture of kindness.
 
2012-09-17 06:56:32 PM  

crab66: You know if we really need to go to war with Iran then so be it. Israel is our ally and we should help them if the shiat hits the fan.

But these obvious attempts to interfere in US elections and drum us into another war are farking disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.



I can only hope our unwavering support of Israel dies with our older generations. They should be treated as any other ally.


But they aren't like any other ally. And we give similar attention to other allies as well. Why the Fark do you think we have 30,000 US troops in South Korea?
 
2012-09-17 07:04:49 PM  

Amos Quito: badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?

To meerly hope that it falls apart or is taken apart with as little screaming and burning as possible.

How do you think anyone who is Jewish would do under the new management?


Well, that depends. How have they been treating those that they currently "manage"?

Maybe they could work on some policy changes - you know - as a gesture of kindness.


I assume you are talking about the non citizen Palestinians. The over one million Muslim Israelis are afforded the same rights and privileges by law as any other Israeli. Does the same occur in any predominantly Muslim country? In many ways, Muslims, especially women/LGBT have MORE rights in Israel than they would have in a Muslim country.
 
2012-09-17 07:05:34 PM  

badaboom: Pharque-it: The question is if the US shall continue pumping $30B or so per annum into a country that obviously cannot sustain itself. The Israel idea was a bad one, and even worse is that it's leaders are unwilling and unable to seek a solution that would be sustainable. Instead it uses blackmailing...
That or Israel has to end.


What would replace it and what would you do with the 7 million people living there? Also, you do know that we also pump Billions into Egypt, Palestine, Pakistan, etc. Should we end that too?



Well, truth be known, the BILLIONS that we pump into Israel's neighbors is basically protection money - essentially bribes paid (to historically corrupt leaders like Mubarak) so that they will "play nice" with Israel. Unfortunately the people of the neighboring countries usually suffer as a result of this "arrangement", and that pisses them off.

Seems like everything has a downside.

But the good news is that if we stop dumping money into Israel, we can stop dumping the protection-racket money into its neighbors.

Granted, this will remove their incentive for feigning friendship, but those Israelis are a creative and resourceful lot, and I'm sure they can think of SOME way to stave off the pent-up aggression.

Behaving as a good neighbor might be a good start.

Or is it too late to try that?
 
2012-09-17 07:06:42 PM  

kbronsito: How about we draw a red line where we want Israel settlements to stop.

 
2012-09-17 07:08:31 PM  

badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: Amos Quito: badaboom: Helen had some ideas

Glad we are getting down to your racist core beliefs.


Glad you're being reduced to name-calling.

Look, the state that was birthed by the racist Zionist scheme is doomed to bite the weenie.

Jews simply can't breed fast enough to fight off all the enemies she's made, she can't support and defend herself without outside help, and sugar-daddy Uncle Sam has exhausted all of his assets schlepping for her. He's broke.

The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?

To meerly hope that it falls apart or is taken apart with as little screaming and burning as possible.

How do you think anyone who is Jewish would do under the new management?

No idea. Depends a lot on how we get from here to there and on many other factors. In any case, simple mass extermination is unlikely.


But a little extermination would be ok?



i1121.photobucket.com


And we have a winner, folks!
 
2012-09-17 07:11:07 PM  

Amos Quito: badaboom: Pharque-it: The question is if the US shall continue pumping $30B or so per annum into a country that obviously cannot sustain itself. The Israel idea was a bad one, and even worse is that it's leaders are unwilling and unable to seek a solution that would be sustainable. Instead it uses blackmailing...
That or Israel has to end.


What would replace it and what would you do with the 7 million people living there? Also, you do know that we also pump Billions into Egypt, Palestine, Pakistan, etc. Should we end that too?


Well, truth be known, the BILLIONS that we pump into Israel's neighbors is basically protection money - essentially bribes paid (to historically corrupt leaders like Mubarak) so that they will "play nice" with Israel. Unfortunately the people of the neighboring countries usually suffer as a result of this "arrangement", and that pisses them off.

Seems like everything has a downside.

But the good news is that if we stop dumping money into Israel, we can stop dumping the protection-racket money into its neighbors.

Granted, this will remove their incentive for feigning friendship, but those Israelis are a creative and resourceful lot, and I'm sure they can think of SOME way to stave off the pent-up aggression.

Behaving as a good neighbor might be a good start.

Or is it too late to try that?


Well here is where we agree. I don't see why we give any other country a dime of our money short of immediate humanitarian aid.
 
2012-09-17 07:12:51 PM  
South Korea can take care of themselves too.


We have troops there because of people such as yourself who see boogeymen around every corner.
 
2012-09-17 07:19:27 PM  

crab66: South Korea can take care of themselves too.

We have troops there because of people such as yourself who see boogeymen around every corner.


Well, people like him, the State Department, the Pentagon and the CIA.

Do you really believe the troop presence in SK is not related to the US interest?
 
2012-09-17 07:20:11 PM  

badaboom: The Zionist regime's fate is inevitable. How the Israelis choose to meet this fate is up to them.

And what would you like to see that fate be?

To meerly hope that it falls apart or is taken apart with as little screaming and burning as possible.

How do you think anyone who is Jewish would do under the new management?


Well, that depends. How have they been treating those that they currently "manage"?

Maybe they could work on some policy changes - you know - as a gesture of kindness.

I assume you are talking about the non citizen Palestinians. The over one million Muslim Israelis are afforded the same rights and privileges by law as any other Israeli. Does the same occur in any predominantly Muslim country? In many ways, Muslims, especially women/LGBT have MORE rights in Israel than they would have in a Muslim country.



No, I'm talking about the 60 year brutally oppressive occupation of the Palestinians displaced by the Zionist regime.

They're pissed - multi-generationally pissed. The Israelis have Gaza under a Warsaw Ghetto-like siege, they cut off their water, food, medicine and other life essentials, they crush their trade, torch their orchards, bulldoze and bomb their homes and schools, murder them (they're all terr'rists, I know) and constantly encroach on them with militant "settlers".

And now Izzy wants to declare Jerusalem its capital, boot them out, and rebuild the "temple".

Why should they be upset?

www.fortworthinjurylawyerblog.com

It's all fun and games - as long as the leash holds.
 
2012-09-17 07:28:52 PM  

Mugato: Sorry. You had better pray for a Romney victory if you want a President who is your lap dog. No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

/commence with the anti-semite remarks.


See, here's my take on this:

We get outraged, rightly and appropriately so, when another nation's government (in this case Israel) tries to tell us what to do and how to do it. Even the pro-war faction isn't overly happy that their pet prime ministers are trying to dictate policy. (They may agree, but imagine if Obama got up in Congress and said, I'm going to do everything Netanyahu asks me to--I'm just making him my foreign policy adviser)

And yet, when WE tell another nation's government what to do, they're supposed to lie down like puppies wanting their tummies scratched and love us for our attempt to dictate their policy.

Am I the only one who notices shiat like this? And if so, WHY??
 
2012-09-17 07:30:47 PM  
I love how people like the war troll in this thread equate anything less than complete and total subjugation to Israel's will as the equivalent of being an oven guard at Auschwitz.

Hi, no. This whole "either you do what Israel says or else you are a Muslim loving genocide lover" line of argument is just as specious as most false equivalency GOP arguments.

I don't particularly give a shiat about Muslims, Jews, or Christians, and their farking holy land means less than nothing. I DO give a shiat about the American lives people like you trolls think are worth pissing away in a region that really, fark the, all.

Here is hoping those automatic budget cuts kick in and cripple the military's ability to go on extracurricular adventures. Defending America doesn't require more mid east adventuring.
 
2012-09-17 07:48:52 PM  

neongoats: I love how people like the war troll in this thread equate anything less than complete and total subjugation to Israel's will as the equivalent of being an oven guard at Auschwitz.

Hi, no. This whole "either you do what Israel says or else you are a Muslim loving genocide lover" line of argument is just as specious as most false equivalency GOP arguments.

I don't particularly give a shiat about Muslims, Jews, or Christians, and their farking holy land means less than nothing. I DO give a shiat about the American lives people like you trolls think are worth pissing away in a region that really, fark the, all.

Here is hoping those automatic budget cuts kick in and cripple the military's ability to go on extracurricular adventures. Defending America doesn't require more mid east adventuring.


Is there anyone actually saying that?
 
2012-09-17 07:52:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Mugato: Sorry. You had better pray for a Romney victory if you want a President who is your lap dog. No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

/commence with the anti-semite remarks.

See, here's my take on this:

We get outraged, rightly and appropriately so, when another nation's government (in this case Israel) tries to tell us what to do and how to do it. Even the pro-war faction isn't overly happy that their pet prime ministers are trying to dictate policy. (They may agree, but imagine if Obama got up in Congress and said, I'm going to do everything Netanyahu asks me to--I'm just making him my foreign policy adviser)



Yeah, that's basically what Romney pledged to do.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE HIDDEN HAND INSIDE THE MITTEN!


Gyrfalcon:
And yet, when WE tell another nation's government what to do, they're supposed to lie down like puppies wanting their tummies scratched and love us for our attempt to dictate their policy.


Hey, wait a minute... If we're dictating the policies of other countries, but at the same time, Israel is dictating OUR foreign policies... who's the ultimate dick-tater here?


Gyrfalcon: Am I the only one who notices shiat like this? And if so, WHY??



No, you're not the only one that notices - and were it any country OTHER than Israel involved, people would be raising hell from the rooftops.

But because is IS Israel, and everyone knows that ANYONE who DARES criticize the comPromised Land of the Choozen People will immediately be labeled an anti-Semite, a racist, a Nazi (etc) and relentlessly and viciously attacked, they tremble in their loafers at the thought.

Proud Cowed to be an American.

/Social engineering via psychological warfare
//It works
///But not like it used to

;-)
 
2012-09-17 08:11:17 PM  
Amos Quito, you are being disingenuous.
 
2012-09-17 08:20:36 PM  

Porous Horace: Amos Quito, you are being disingenuous.



Howdy Porous Horace!

Happy New Year!
 
2012-09-17 08:36:29 PM  

Bag of Hammers: theknuckler_33: Hobodeluxe: Mother Jones might have just performed the Coup de grâce on the Romney campaign.

I'm not sure I agree with that assessment, but the idea that Romney thinks the 47 (or whatever) percent that pay no (federal) income tax all support Obama is about as laughable a concept as anything I can imagine.

And I doubt he actually believes that, but it's what the blurred out millionaires sitting in front of him writing checks want to hear.


Probably.
 
2012-09-17 08:46:10 PM  

Cyclometh: Does a responsible international community simply throw up its hands and say "whatever, you two. We're done with you two idiots" and let the chips fall where they may?


No. Whichever one tries to start a war should be stopped.
 
2012-09-17 08:51:20 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: Do you really believe the troop presence in SK is not related to the US interest?


All of those entities said invading Iraq was in our best interests too.

You will have to excuse me if I don't agree with the conservative definition of "best interests".
 
2012-09-17 08:54:33 PM  
 
2012-09-17 09:06:27 PM  
Stfu and be happy we permit your continued viability, Israel.
 
2012-09-17 09:15:39 PM  

crab66: Bob_Laublaw: Do you really believe the troop presence in SK is not related to the US interest?

All of those entities said invading Iraq was in our best interests too.

You will have to excuse me if I don't agree with the conservative definition of "best interests".


Heh. I forgot, it's partisan issue, not at all related to the continued American benefit of exercising stabilising influence in that corner of Asia.

And drawing a parallel between Iraq & SK is brilliance, sir! I think we can both agree that there's no logical countenance to that.
 
2012-09-17 09:40:19 PM  
What the hell? I didn't bring up to SK. You did. Your whole point was that our purpose in militarily protecting these places is to promote stability right?

You talk about how we should be promoting stability in the region by supporting Israel and then scoff at mentions of the Iraq war. Those two actions are diametrically opposed. These things do not happen in a vacuum. You can't claim to want stability and then conveniently forget about the failed foreign policy that lead to Iraq.

Attacking Iran is also not going to promote stability. Even if it becomes necessary at some point. It's going to massively destabilize the region. Much more than Iraq did.


You can live in your little fantasy world all you want too. I think that's all we need to know about your "non-partisan" views of the world.

Another clueless tool.
 
2012-09-17 10:16:09 PM  

crab66: Bob_Laublaw: Do you really believe the troop presence in SK is not related to the US interest?

All of those entities said invading Iraq was in our best interests too.

You will have to excuse me if I don't agree with the conservative definition of "best interests".


But bombing Libya was in our best interests. Look what's happened. Ambassador Steven's speech yesterday was greeted with thunderous applause by the people of Benghazi.
 
2012-09-17 10:53:43 PM  

Mrtraveler01: When ex-Mossad agents are telling Israel and US to think twice before attacking Iran, maybe it's time to think twice about attacking Iran


Obviously some kind of terrorist double-agent. Pay him no mind.
 
2012-09-17 11:09:02 PM  
I'm having a hard time thinking of any reason I should give a shiat about what trouble Israel is having, and why we should waste American lives and treasure to help them in their eternal battles.

/It's not anti-semitic if you are completely apathetic to their problems

//put on your big boy pants and pull yourself up by your boot straps
 
2012-09-17 11:14:59 PM  
Netanyahu should shut the f*** up and quit building condos where other people's homes used to be.
 
2012-09-17 11:22:13 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.



Israel is not an ally, it is a whiny, hypocrotical little proxy shiat-hole that has got to be one of the worst mistakes in modern history. Plus, Letterman would be a more intelligent conversation that Netanyahu.
 
2012-09-17 11:28:59 PM  
Israel pisses me off so much that I can't spell!! hahahaha......mmmmm....rum and pepsi.
 
2012-09-18 02:41:59 AM  
Why doesn't Bibi draw his own red line?
 
2012-09-18 05:24:01 AM  
The funny thing here is that Netanyahu's policies and threats against Iran don't appear to be that appealing to most Israelis. There is as much criticism of him demanding the US (Obama) comply with his way or the highway approach within Israel. Not only in the press, but for example Ehud Barak, the Defense Minister has been openly praising Obama and his treatment of Israel for months and has been very public with that praise.

Just this week, I have read a half dozen or more editorials in Israelis papers calling out not only Bibi, but Romney's potential American puppet master Sheldon Adelson. We view Adelson as a casino magnate, but in Israel he is better known as being more of a Rupert Murdoch figure, with a free daily newspaper he uses as his own propaganda rag. There's been a lot of push back in the other media in Israel, against him, Bibi and Romney.

Just thought I would throw that out there for some perspective.
 
2012-09-18 06:49:07 AM  
images.45cat.com

Bibi is just playing head games here.

/Hot.
 
2012-09-18 09:35:22 AM  

Pharque-it: The question is if the US shall continue pumping $30B or so per annum into a country that obviously cannot sustain itself. The Israel idea was a bad one, and even worse is that it's leaders are unwilling and unable to seek a solution that would be sustainable. Instead it uses blackmailing...
That or Israel has to end.


You mean Sheldon isn't willing to pony up some $ for his real homeland?

And for the first time I saw Aid for Israel commercials that gave me the feeling I was watching an ASPCA ad.
 
2012-09-18 10:04:55 AM  

cmb53208: You want a red line Bibi? There's a Red Line in Chicago, it runs from Howard Avenue south to 95th Street. There's your farking red line asshole.


And we're having to struggle like hell to get it down to 131st Street. Iran might be a bit expensive.
 
2012-09-18 10:40:51 AM  
kbronsito
How about we draw a red line where we want Israel settlements to stop.

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