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2012-09-17 02:17:39 PM

Philip Francis Queeg:
Asking Israel to abide by the treaty they want enforced by US military power is telling them to "cram it up their cram-hole'?


I was in general responding to the attitude of "fark Israel, let them burn" which seems to be counter-productive. Again (and I've said it before, and i'm tired of repeating myself on this), I'm not saying we should do their bidding or enforce their strictures, nor do I think it's appropriate to start bombing shiat or killing people, but we cannot simply tell them to piss off and walk away. That would hurt them, and in the end it would hurt us.

It would have been better by far if we had never gotten into this relationship with Israel, or had found ways to rein in their arrogance years ago, but that water is well and truly under the bridge. We have to deal with what IS, not what we would like to be.
 
2012-09-17 02:20:01 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Cyclometh: You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away

Telling Netanyahu to work it out for himself isn't "walking away", it's refusing to commit outselves to the consequences of his brinkmanship. We're still arming the Israeli military, perhaps that should be the extent of our involvement at this point. Don't kid yourself, Israel isn't our ally in the region, Israel is Israel's ally.


It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

In the end, this is all election season silliness. Pragmatically, they're using the campaign to put pressure on Obama to do something so he doesn't take a hit at the polls. But we still have to respond somehow.
 
2012-09-17 02:20:18 PM

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
Asking Israel to abide by the treaty they want enforced by US military power is telling them to "cram it up their cram-hole'?

I was in general responding to the attitude of "fark Israel, let them burn" which seems to be counter-productive. Again (and I've said it before, and i'm tired of repeating myself on this), I'm not saying we should do their bidding or enforce their strictures, nor do I think it's appropriate to start bombing shiat or killing people, but we cannot simply tell them to piss off and walk away. That would hurt them, and in the end it would hurt us.

It would have been better by far if we had never gotten into this relationship with Israel, or had found ways to rein in their arrogance years ago, but that water is well and truly under the bridge. We have to deal with what IS, not what we would like to be.


So you are arguing against something I never said. Good show, Your time in the military certainly taught you how to kill a straw man but good.
 
2012-09-17 02:22:05 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
Asking Israel to abide by the treaty they want enforced by US military power is telling them to "cram it up their cram-hole'?

I was in general responding to the attitude of "fark Israel, let them burn" which seems to be counter-productive. Again (and I've said it before, and i'm tired of repeating myself on this), I'm not saying we should do their bidding or enforce their strictures, nor do I think it's appropriate to start bombing shiat or killing people, but we cannot simply tell them to piss off and walk away. That would hurt them, and in the end it would hurt us.

It would have been better by far if we had never gotten into this relationship with Israel, or had found ways to rein in their arrogance years ago, but that water is well and truly under the bridge. We have to deal with what IS, not what we would like to be.

So you are arguing against something I never said. Good show, Your time in the military certainly taught you how to kill a straw man but good.


I learned it from you, Dad!

/you mean asking me how many soldiers I would want to see die wasn't a strawman?
//pot, meet kettle.
 
2012-09-17 02:23:45 PM

kbronsito: indylaw: How on earth would we even know? Even various Israeli officials cannot agree how far along and how serious the Iranians are about developing nuclear weapons. Some think we're years away from a threat, while others insist they're only weeks away. Try getting a straight answer on Iran's capabilities.

So let's say we set a bright line. "Iran must not obtain more that 5 kg of enriched uranium OR ELSE." How would we know if they crossed that line? Setting some arbitrary "red line" is in essence either useless posturing or a tacit admission that we're just going to assume the worst and that warfare is assured.

I'm tired of the games. I'm tired of that cretin presuming to tell the United States what to do.

I'm no expert on nuclear non-proliferation, but I do keep up with it on news and websites like Federation of American Scientists. And it seems to me that anyone that knew anything about nuclear weapons, thought that Iraq was way behind Iran in development. So we invaded Iraq in 2003 because of its "nuclear program" and the nation that was more advanced hasn't even conducted a test almost 10 years later.

Somehow this doesn't inspire confidence on people an organizations with their own agendas telling us about the nuclear capabilities of certain nations.


Yeah, if Iran were fueling up theater ballistic missiles as we speak, I could understand the urgency. Hell, if someone could provide concrete evidence that the Iranians are both a) actively developing a nuclear weapon and b) have solved most of the technological and manufacturing challenges in assembling a viable weapon, I'd understand the United States stepping in and bombing the crap out of them.

But the most we have been given, at least publicly, is that the Iranians hate Israel (well, sure) and that they have built centrifuges which are necessary to enrich uranium to weapons-ready material (and also to prepare it for nonmilitary purposes). In the mean time we've crippled their economy and used highly sophisticated computer viruses to sabotage Iranian equipment (allegedly). If it's urgent, show some evidence. We can't blow hundreds of billions of dollars, sacrifice American lives, balloon oil prices and risk a wider war simply on Bibi's hunch.
 
2012-09-17 02:24:30 PM

Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.


How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?
 
2012-09-17 02:28:26 PM

karnal: It's not the criticism - it's the abandonment.


Not allowing ourselves to be terminator to their SkyNet is not "abandoning" them. We still give them obscene amounts of foeign aid and another obscene amounts in appeasement to Egypt to not attack Israel. But in your estimation, if we don't completely hand Israel the keys to our foreign policy as Romney wants to, we're all a bunch of antisemite Nazis. Way to play the hell out of that card.
 
2012-09-17 02:28:39 PM

kbronsito: How about we draw a red line where we want Israel settlements to stop.


*ohsnap* pic
 
2012-09-17 02:29:26 PM

Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.


Netanyahu is attempting to strong arm us into his pissing match with Iran, if he doesn't want to be weakened maybe he should start treating the US as a partner rather than his attack dog.
 
2012-09-17 02:30:25 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?


Who cares? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.
 
2012-09-17 02:31:53 PM
You want a red line Bibi? There's a Red Line in Chicago, it runs from Howard Avenue south to 95th Street. There's your farking red line asshole.
 
2012-09-17 02:33:22 PM
All I can say is that if Netanyahu is going to leverage his hand with Obama with the election, he should try and should try and keep the level of his rhetoric in conjunction with FiveThirtyEight predictions in mind.
 
2012-09-17 02:33:28 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

Netanyahu is attempting to strong arm us into his pissing match with Iran, if he doesn't want to be weakened maybe he should start treating the US as a partner rather than his attack dog.


Meh, no one serious ever thought that the Obama administration would kowtow to this crap. Publicly we should be all "We're not gonna go blow stuff up, but you kids play nice" and privately Netanyahu should get torn a new one in what Fox News would characterize as a "tense" phone call.
 
2012-09-17 02:34:06 PM
I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?
 
2012-09-17 02:35:30 PM

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?

Who cares? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.


So it's bad for the US to publicly rebuke Israel, but no big deal in reverse? Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize that we were the junior partner in the so called "alliance".
 
2012-09-17 02:35:45 PM

badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.
 
2012-09-17 02:38:14 PM

badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


You're just not getting it. It's one thing to support a nation and give them shiatloads of aid. It quite another to attack every nation that they tell us to on their whim alone. Is this getting through to you at all?
 
2012-09-17 02:38:23 PM

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


Yes Bibi is, but what does that have to do with Letterman?
 
2012-09-17 02:40:54 PM

indylaw: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.


Did you see me say that anywhere? All I was commenting on was the contempt I see in every thread about Israel from the left. I don't support everything my friend does, but I am sure as heck going to support them more than I support someone who hates me.
 
2012-09-17 02:40:58 PM
 
2012-09-17 02:42:28 PM

badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


Which country maintained friendly relations with South Africa ( (at the time the most Nazi-like government on earth) when almost no one else would?

You know... because those black South Africans were an existential threat to Israel. (not because they made a rational calculation than supporting the rounding up of people in ghettos with violence was acceptable if it got them uranium for their arms program).

NEVER AGAIN (unless we sort of have to).
 
2012-09-17 02:43:24 PM

badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


Iran.
 
2012-09-17 02:43:49 PM

Mugato: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

You're just not getting it. It's one thing to support a nation and give them shiatloads of aid. It quite another to attack every nation that they tell us to on their whim alone. Is this getting through to you at all?


If Iran gets a nuclear bomb there will be global implications.
 
2012-09-17 02:44:33 PM

Mugato: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal</a>:</b> <i>Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.</i>

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.


Are you hoping that your comments will make him a better troll? Stop helping.
 
2012-09-17 02:44:34 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?

Who cares? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.

So it's bad for the US to publicly rebuke Israel, but no big deal in reverse? Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize that we were the junior partner in the so called "alliance".


You know, it doesn't take more than a single scroll of the mousewheel to see you accusing ME of using a strawman.
 
2012-09-17 02:45:18 PM

badaboom: Mugato: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

You're just not getting it. It's one thing to support a nation and give them shiatloads of aid. It quite another to attack every nation that they tell us to on their whim alone. Is this getting through to you at all?

If Iran gets a nuclear bomb there will be global implications.


There are global implications to Israel having the bomb. There are global implications to the US having the bomb.
 
2012-09-17 02:45:39 PM

badaboom: indylaw: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.

Did you see me say that anywhere? All I was commenting on was the contempt I see in every thread about Israel from the left. I don't support everything my friend does, but I am sure as heck going to support them more than I support someone who hates me.


TIL not sanctioning and bombing someone just because==supporting them.
 
2012-09-17 02:46:19 PM
And thank you to my TF benefactor!

/no idea why, but TF is always awesome.
//thanks again!
 
2012-09-17 02:48:56 PM

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?

Who cares
? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.

So it's bad for the US to publicly rebuke Israel, but no big deal in reverse? Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize that we were the junior partner in the so called "alliance".

You know, it doesn't take more than a single scroll of the mousewheel to see you accusing ME of using a strawman.


No strawman, just your clear, unambiguous statements.
 
2012-09-17 02:51:32 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: It's a good point- but what I don't want to see is us publicly rebuking Israel and telling them to work it out for themselves- that weakens them and doesn't help us at all.

How do you feel about Israel publicly rebuking the US?

Who cares? Their approval isn't required for us. For them, our opprobrium comes with serious consequences, both for them AND us. We don't have to have a binary scenario of "WE LOVE ISRAEL" and "GO TO HELL, BIBI". We could, you know-have a nuanced approach.

Like "We appreciate the Israeli position, especially in the light of our longstanding friendship. We are of course carefully monitoring the situation, but are not taking action at this time. If conditions warrant that stance changes, we will take action as necessary in conjunction with the will of the international community and the safety of American interests and human life everywhere. We strongly encourage all parties to this issue to avoid rhetoric that would serve only to increase tensions." And in private call Bibi and chew him out for farking around.

So it's bad for the US to publicly rebuke Israel, but no big deal in reverse? Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize that we were the junior partner in the so called "alliance".

You know, it doesn't take more than a single scroll of the mousewheel to see you accusing ME of using a strawman.

No strawman, just your clear, unambiguous statements.


You know, I think I'll just leave the discussion here. I'll let anyone who comes along and reads what I've said and what you've said decide who is being disingenous here.
 
2012-09-17 02:52:33 PM

badaboom: indylaw: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.

Did you see me say that anywhere? All I was commenting on was the contempt I see in every thread about Israel from the left. I don't support everything my friend does, but I am sure as heck going to support them more than I support someone who hates me.


A better analogy would be going to a bar with someone you can only kind of stand being around. They start getting drunk and belligerent and trying to start bar fights with the locals. You try to tell them to stop, but they keep getting more and more abrasive and violent. You can see that this abrasive asshole is just going to get punched, but despite the fact that you bought him a couple of beers, you pretty much consider this his own problem.

I'll defend an actual friend that isn't intentionally picking drunken brawls. I won't defend one entitled, self important, abrasive drunk who sponges off of me and treats me like his ace in the hole.
 
2012-09-17 02:52:37 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

Iran.


Anyone know if Fark is available in Iran? Or is it banned? T
 
2012-09-17 02:52:46 PM

badaboom: Israelgarbl


Yes Troll, because making the clear distinction of criticizing the loathsome Likud Party and it's warmongering golem Bibi Netanyahu is exactly the same as criticizing the entire country of Israel.

Go F**K yourself.
 
2012-09-17 02:53:36 PM
For a country that we're supposedly close allies with, Israel sure does cause a lot of "difficulties" for the US in the rest of the Mideast. Now more than ever, we as Americans should be asking whether our alliance with Israel is worth the trouble. How many other countries are we staunch allies with based on some vague moral obligation instead of our wider geopolitical interests in a region of the world?
 
2012-09-17 02:56:18 PM

badaboom: indylaw: badaboom: Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

This is how a moron sees the world. You either support everything Israel demands that we do, or you hate Jews and love Ahmadinejad and want to live there and marry him, because that makes sense when you're high on meth.

Did you see me say that anywhere? All I was commenting on was the contempt I see in every thread about Israel from the left. I don't support everything my friend does, but I am sure as heck going to support them more than I support someone who hates me.


What do the culture and attitude toward civil rights in each country have to do with a determination of whether Iran is close enough (and how close is too close) to developing nuclear weapons technology to warrant the use of force? Yemen, Uzbekistan and the Congo are all horrible places to live, but no one's suggesting that we bomb them, because they're not a threat to us. Opposing demands to "draw a line in the sand" with them doesn't mean condoning their governments.
 
2012-09-17 02:58:03 PM

BeesNuts: Yes, but where must the line be drawn?


"you broke your little ships"
 
2012-09-17 03:01:35 PM
Israel deserves the right to exist, but only if it does nothing to defend itself until 3 to 5 countries attack it at once with nuclear weapons.

/I thought libs were against nuclear power
 
2012-09-17 03:02:53 PM
Im still hoping Israel will exercise the Samson Option and wipe out the mideast. Two birds with one stone.
 
2012-09-17 03:04:05 PM

Zeno-25: For a country that we're supposedly close allies with, Israel sure does cause a lot of "difficulties" for the US in the rest of the Mideast. Now more than ever, we as Americans should be asking whether our alliance with Israel is worth the trouble. How many other countries are we staunch allies with based on some vague moral obligation instead of our wider geopolitical interests in a region of the world?



I know, that whole not wanting to be annihilated thing is really a pain in the arse. I mean come on, we all know Imadinnerjacket is just bluffing. We should just support Iran and lower the price of gas for goodness sakes. What were we thinking?
 
2012-09-17 03:04:56 PM

beta_plus: Israel deserves the right to exist, but only if it does nothing to defend itself until 3 to 5 countries attack it at once with nuclear weapons.

/I thought libs were against nuclear power



Nice strawman troll-lo-lo-lo. Who the fark here is saying that? All I see is people saying to Israel 'do the fark whatever you want, just don't suck us into it.'
 
2012-09-17 03:06:14 PM
Tell ya what, Bibi: You pull all of your Zionist interlopers back behind the Green Line, and maybe we'll consider your blather about some "Red Line".

Mmmmkay?
 
2012-09-17 03:06:49 PM

beta_plus: Israel deserves the right to exist, but only if it does nothing to defend itself until 3 to 5 countries attack it at once with nuclear weapons.

/I thought libs were against nuclear power


A TROLL APPEARS!
 
2012-09-17 03:07:05 PM
Not sure if anyone in Iran is getting a kick out of all this...

Link
 
2012-09-17 03:08:29 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: How about this Red Line:

Israel immediately become signatory to the NPT and opens it's nuclear programs to inspection including revealing all past proliferation activities.



I agree with PPQ.

It would be a nice New Year's gesture.
 
2012-09-17 03:09:28 PM

Amos Quito: Philip Francis Queeg: How about this Red Line:

Israel immediately become signatory to the NPT and opens it's nuclear programs to inspection including revealing all past proliferation activities.


I agree with PPQ.

It would be a nice New Year's gesture.



Oops! Make that PFQ.

/Phrancis - lol!
 
2012-09-17 03:09:51 PM

Amos Quito: Philip Francis Queeg: How about this Red Line:

Israel immediately become signatory to the NPT and opens it's nuclear programs to inspection including revealing all past proliferation activities.


I agree with PPQ.

It would be a nice New Year's gesture.


Aw shiat I have a Nazi sympathizer agreeing with me.
 
2012-09-17 03:10:49 PM

beta_plus: Israel deserves the right to exist, but only if it does nothing to defend itself until 3 to 5 countries attack it at once with nuclear weapons.

/I thought libs were against nuclear power


and I thought conservatives were about protecting our interests.
 
2012-09-17 03:11:14 PM

badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?


All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.
 
2012-09-17 03:13:43 PM

badaboom: Holocaust Agnostic: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

Iran.


[standupforamerica.files.wordpress.com image 338x500]

Well I hope that you or no one you know isn't gay


I would suggest trying to use common sense to someone who calls himself "holocaust agnostic" is a lost cause.
 
2012-09-17 03:15:22 PM

Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: I always laugh at the libs contempt for Israel as a nation. You do realize their values are way more compatible with yours that the Arab/Mulsim ones, right?

Which country has freedom of the Press?

Which country protects the equal rights of all its citizens? For example,y ou do know that Arab women have full voting rights in Israel, right?

Which country allows and protects LGBT?

Which country treats it women better?

Which country allows other religions to be practiced freely without fear of arrest? You do realize there are over 1 million Muslim citizens of Israel. You also realize that Israel has no state religion, right?

Which country would you rather live in libs? Iran or Israel?

All of that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but thanks for trying.



Really? I thought we were picking sides. I have not heard anyone in this thread put any blame on the belligerence of Iran. According to this thread, Israel is a thorn in our side and Iran has done nothing to make Israel or the rest of the world concerned.
 
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