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(CNN)   Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu urges the United States to draw a "red line" that Iran cannot cross - which President Barack Obama last week reportedly rejected even though Red is his favorite color   (articles.cnn.com) divider line 304
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2012-09-17 01:26:23 PM  
Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.



Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.
 
2012-09-17 01:27:12 PM  
The problem with drawing lines is that pretty soon you'll be flying planes.
 
2012-09-17 01:27:53 PM  
Boy, Netanyahu sure picked the wrong time to ask the US to get into a ME war. Sorry, pal, we already got one.
 
2012-09-17 01:27:54 PM  

GAT_00: Invisible arbitrary lines? Sounds like someone wants Bush back. No wonder Bibi is backing Romney.


Most of Romney's foreign policy advisors are Bush neocons and New American Century alumni; the people who brought us Iraq.
 
2012-09-17 01:28:14 PM  

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.


The US has no treaty of alliance with Israel.
 
2012-09-17 01:28:30 PM  
If they attack, I saw he provide no aid, no intel, and let them fight this one on their own. This simple isn't our fight, and I reject calls to involve us in it.
 
2012-09-17 01:29:31 PM  

lilbjorn: Romney surrogate Netanyahu


This.

That is how he should be addressed from now until the election.
 
2012-09-17 01:30:25 PM  
This debate is being framed totally incorrectly. It's not about being Israel's "lap dog" or doing the bidding of "teh jooz".

I'm the first to point out that the US has historically been far too uncritically supportive of Israel and would like nothing better than to see us start putting them at a bit more reach diplomatically until they get their shiat together.

But from a purely pragmatic perspective, let's look at what's going on- One nation in this little tiff is armed with nuclear weapons and surrounded by hostile nations, more than one of which has vowed their destruction. The other one does not have but is working as diligently as possible to obtain nuclear weapons, and has been unremittingly hostile to the first one and has rejected all attempts to rein in their nuclear ambitions.

Does a responsible international community simply throw up its hands and say "whatever, you two. We're done with you two idiots" and let the chips fall where they may? What do you think will happen to energy prices when a couple of conventional bombs drop on Iran and they try to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, maybe sink a US ship or two?

And what do you think would happen to energy prices and the world economy if we wake up to a mushroom cloud over Tehran or Tel Aviv?

The Obama administration MUST engage on this- even if we don't like it, this is bigger than not liking Israel Or Iran.
 
2012-09-17 01:31:16 PM  
Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.


So was your feable attempt at a response.
 
2012-09-17 01:31:22 PM  

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.


No sorry. They are not. This is another case of you right wing tards believing shiat that has no actual, factual basis.

Also, "allies" don't constantly practice high level espionage against you. fark em.
 
2012-09-17 01:32:07 PM  
just send some of those hot IDF girls over to Iran & while Mahmoud is checking out those racks & booties, take the batteries out of his remote control.
 
2012-09-17 01:32:53 PM  

Cyclometh: This debate is being framed totally incorrectly. It's not about being Israel's "lap dog" or doing the bidding of "teh jooz".

I'm the first to point out that the US has historically been far too uncritically supportive of Israel and would like nothing better than to see us start putting them at a bit more reach diplomatically until they get their shiat together.

But from a purely pragmatic perspective, let's look at what's going on- One nation in this little tiff is armed with nuclear weapons and surrounded by hostile nations, more than one of which has vowed their destruction. The other one does not have but is working as diligently as possible to obtain nuclear weapons, and has been unremittingly hostile to the first one and has rejected all attempts to rein in their nuclear ambitions.

Does a responsible international community simply throw up its hands and say "whatever, you two. We're done with you two idiots" and let the chips fall where they may? What do you think will happen to energy prices when a couple of conventional bombs drop on Iran and they try to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, maybe sink a US ship or two?

And what do you think would happen to energy prices and the world economy if we wake up to a mushroom cloud over Tehran or Tel Aviv?

The Obama administration MUST engage on this- even if we don't like it, this is bigger than not liking Israel Or Iran.


So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?
 
2012-09-17 01:32:58 PM  

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.


God damn, son. Look at how stupid you are! I mean, seriously- just look.
 
2012-09-17 01:35:28 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


When Biden visited Israel, they restarted building settlements during his visit (even though they knew that the political interpretation for that was a big fark you to America). If Bibi wants to be treated with respect by the American president when he visits, he shouldn't have farked up the visit by the President's highest ranking envoy. (And our nations are not equals. When Israel pays for its defense like a big boy, then it can pretend to be an equal. The amount of respect and deference from them should be greater than the amount of respect and deference we owe). Obama or any other American president can cancel on a meeting with Israeli leaders for whatever reason, whenever (And the Israelis should just say thanks for the support and smile).
 
2012-09-17 01:36:02 PM  

neongoats: Hi dickheads(Israeli military). We aren't your farkng war slaves. You want to provoke yet another war,


I don't think the Israeli military is all too keen on a conflict with Iran. It is Netanyahu who wants the fight. The military will professionally do as they ordered but I don't think they want this fight.
 
2012-09-17 01:36:09 PM  
Guys, remember. Israel is our closest ally. Why? Because Israel is our closest ally. What do they provide to us? Close allegiance. But where is the trade-off for all their bullshiat? Alliedness, that's what.
 
2012-09-17 01:36:52 PM  
Here Bibi,
www.thedailyplanner.com
Go for It!

We pick who, when, and why to fight.
And if we wanted your opinion, we'd beat it out of you.
 
2012-09-17 01:37:00 PM  

karnal: Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.

So was your feable attempt at a response.


Okay, you want a response? You're equating anyone who questions our unconditional and one way support of Israel to Jew haters and Nazis. There's no rational way to respond to something like that so help me out.
 
2012-09-17 01:37:19 PM  
We really need to help Israel.

Here ya go Bibi:

store.gsfasteners.com

Knock yourself out
 
2012-09-17 01:37:59 PM  

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.


So believing we don't need to start another war in the ME makes someone racist? That's some fine logic there Lou.
 
2012-09-17 01:38:00 PM  
While Netanyahu is pushing the US to hem itself in with a "red line", he hasn't clearly defined what constitutes Israel's "red line".

BIbi also faces pushback from his military and intelligence establishment. The political and economic fallout from an attack could be "problematic". Just how problematic, no one knows for sure. They also believe a military strike would only result in a temporary setback to Iran's nuclear program.

The stepped-up sanctions have reduced Iran's oil exports by 40% and sent the rial into the basement. I think most foreign policy wonks accept a wait-and-see approach for now.
 
2012-09-17 01:38:31 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?


Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.
 
2012-09-17 01:40:30 PM  

Cyclometh: karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


American Jews strongly vote Democrat. Don't tell him that, though.
 
2012-09-17 01:40:47 PM  

Antimatter: If they attack, I saw he provide no aid, no intel, and let them fight this one on their own. This simple isn't our fight, and I reject calls to involve us in it.


that's just it. there's no way to do an attack and not have global repercussions. gas will skyrocket. and already fragile economies could be wrecked and all recovery gone overnight. Iran will retaliate against our bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. it will be bloody and expensive.

and that's just the tip of what could be a global clusterfark if Russia, China, N Korea and the Arab states align
 
2012-09-17 01:42:42 PM  
neongoats

karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.

No sorry. They are not. This is another case of you right wing tards believing shiat that has no actual, factual basis.

Also, "allies" don't constantly practice high level espionage against you. fark em.

Philip Francis Queeg

The US has no treaty of alliance with Israel.



According to the President, they are an important ally....unless he was saying it just for votes
Link
 
2012-09-17 01:43:31 PM  

Zoophagous: karnal: Cyclometh

karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

Hush. Adults are talking.


Are you including yourself as an Adult? With all your "Israel has nukes and I don't want to die" whining? Your toxic racism notwithstanding, as far as I am aware, Israel is still an ally and as such should have our support.

So believing we don't need to start another war in the ME makes someone racist?



Not just racism...TOXIC racism!!1!

YOU'RE JUST LIKE HITLER!!!

encrypted-tbn3.google.com
 
2012-09-17 01:44:19 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?

Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.


I would suggest that if Israel truly is concerned about nuclear proliferation that they sign the NPT and abide by all it's strictures. Until they do we should not lift a finger to assist them.
 
2012-09-17 01:44:31 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Funny how Obama has time to go on Letterman but no time to meet with the leader of one of our allies.

What a disgrace.


Netanyahu, Obama discuss Iran nuclear threat
 
2012-09-17 01:47:22 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?

Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.

I would suggest that if Israel truly is concerned about nuclear proliferation that they sign the NPT and abide by all it's strictures. Until they do we should not lift a finger to assist them.


In principle, I would agree. But realpolitik, as always, intervenes. Simply walking away from the party raises the risk of some form of exchange of weapons- conventional or otherwise- dramatically. And with our fragile ecomony, nascent recovery and trying to get the EU back on track, it's not just the US who can't afford a war like this. It's the whole world.

It's a dirty business, but it has to get done.
 
2012-09-17 01:49:58 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg: Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
So when are you enlisting to take part ion the War? I'm sure you are perfectly willing to die to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, right?

Well, if it matters I'm already a combat veteran of the 82d Airborne Division and served in combat conditions in Iraq. So, if you're asking if I have the balls, then I guess we know the answer.

But that's not my point. The issue is not that I think we should accede to this "red line" crap, it's that the only positions being discussed are "fark israel, let them burn" and "fark you, let's pave Iran".

I happen to think that we don't get any mileage out of simply tossing Israel under the bus, but I'm also not advocating that we simply do their bidding. They are belligerent assholes with nuclear weapons sitting in an area of the world that like or not is critical to our interests long-term.

I'm sure as shiat glad I'm not President because I have no idea how I'd tackle this morass.

I would suggest that if Israel truly is concerned about nuclear proliferation that they sign the NPT and abide by all it's strictures. Until they do we should not lift a finger to assist them.

In principle, I would agree. But realpolitik, as always, intervenes. Simply walking away from the party raises the risk of some form of exchange of weapons- conventional or otherwise- dramatically. And with our fragile ecomony, nascent recovery and trying to get the EU back on track, it's not just the US who can't afford a war like this. It's the whole world.

It's a dirty business, but it has to get done.


How many of your fellow soldiers are you willing to see die to get it done?
 
2012-09-17 01:54:31 PM  
Mugato

karnal: Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.

So was your feable attempt at a response.

Okay, you want a response? You're equating anyone who questions our unconditional and one way support of Israel to Jew haters and Nazis. There's no rational way to respond to something like that so help me out.


Then why does support for Israel seem to run along party lines?
In the last 15 years or so Palestinian Nationalism began to infiltrated into the Left's dogma....it probably has to do with the whole "the enemy (fundamentalist Islam) of my enemy (fundamentalist Christianity) is my friend," menality....because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.
 
2012-09-17 01:55:34 PM  

spelletrader: An ultimatum to issue an ultimatum.


Shouldn't we give a penultimatum first? 

/For the second to last time, Iran, stop it!
 
2012-09-17 01:56:17 PM  
One of these days, Bibi is going to overplay his hand and then crap his pants when he sees that we don't have his back.
 
2012-09-17 01:57:07 PM  

Somacandra: Mugato: No more American lives for Israel's agenda.

Agreed. I would add no more American weapons either--for Israel or any other country in the Middle East.


Meh, I've given up on the entire Middle East, which means everybody there can have as many American made weapons as they want, provided they pay full list price on them. Might as well put some Americans back to work.
 
2012-09-17 01:57:44 PM  
Always bet on black.
 
2012-09-17 01:58:34 PM  

karnal: Then why does support for Israel seem to run along party lines?
In the last 15 years or so Palestinian Nationalism began to infiltrated into the Left's dogma....it probably has to do with the whole "the enemy (fundamentalist Islam) of my enemy (fundamentalist Christianity) is my friend," menality....because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.


No one says that liberals hate Christians except for the lunatic fringe of the right wing. And you do realize that Jewish Americans are largely democrats, right? It's like literally everything you say is just completely wrong. But that aside, you still haven't explained how criticizing Israel in any way has to indicate anti-semitism and why that isn't a ridiculously irrational opinion.
 
2012-09-17 01:59:25 PM  
How on earth would we even know? Even various Israeli officials cannot agree how far along and how serious the Iranians are about developing nuclear weapons. Some think we're years away from a threat, while others insist they're only weeks away. Try getting a straight answer on Iran's capabilities.

So let's say we set a bright line. "Iran must not obtain more that 5 kg of enriched uranium OR ELSE." How would we know if they crossed that line? Setting some arbitrary "red line" is in essence either useless posturing or a tacit admission that we're just going to assume the worst and that warfare is assured.

I'm tired of the games. I'm tired of that cretin presuming to tell the United States what to do.
 
2012-09-17 02:01:08 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg:
How many of your fellow soldiers are you willing to see die to get it done?


You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away. And you know it, too. So I'll just put a question to you that's just as mendacious and full of shiat.

How many Israelis and Iranians are you willing to see die just so you can stick it to Israel?
 
2012-09-17 02:03:26 PM  

karnal: because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.


2.bp.blogspot.com

I know right, lol
 
2012-09-17 02:03:41 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: One of these days, Bibi is going to overplay his hand and then crap his pants when he sees that we don't have his back.


That may have happened when he invaded Lebanon a couple years back.
 
2012-09-17 02:04:00 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:
How many of your fellow soldiers are you willing to see die to get it done?

You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away. And you know it, too. So I'll just put a question to you that's just as mendacious and full of shiat.

How many Israelis and Iranians are you willing to see die just so you can stick it to Israel?


We can't stop Israelis and Iranians from killing each other. We are not all powerful. To think that the US can prevent Iranian and Israeli deaths against the wishes of both sides is pure hubris.
 
2012-09-17 02:05:07 PM  

karnal: Mugato

karnal: Mugato

href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79435626#c79435626" target="_blank">karnal: Why do liberals hate Israel and Jews so much? You know who else hated Jews? This guy:
[www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk image 165x267]
Democrats are in good company.

That wasn't even worthy of a troll rating. That was just pathetic.

So was your feable attempt at a response.

Okay, you want a response? You're equating anyone who questions our unconditional and one way support of Israel to Jew haters and Nazis. There's no rational way to respond to something like that so help me out.

Then why does support for Israel seem to run along party lines?
In the last 15 years or so Palestinian Nationalism began to infiltrated into the Left's dogma....it probably has to do with the whole "the enemy (fundamentalist Islam) of my enemy (fundamentalist Christianity) is my friend," menality....because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.


Or you know, maybe we are tired of supporting a fundamentalist regime that basically only exists because of leftover WWII guilt. We're sick of giving them free military infrastructure, sick of just forking over plane loads of cash. Sick of being tied to their militarist, fundamentalist behavior, and having their misdeeds attributed to our support. We're also sick of this supposed ally treating us line an enemy, infiltrating us with spies, and treating us like their chained war slaves.

Maybe someday Israel will grow up, act like adults, and actually join the world community instead if acting like superior petulant children. We OWE them NOTHING, but they treat us like a dog, because that's how people like you act.

If Bibi smeared peanut butter on his genitals, you would lick his dong line a good dog.
 
2012-09-17 02:05:54 PM  
...

How about NOT feeding the obvious troll?
 
2012-09-17 02:08:57 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg:

We can't stop Israelis and Iranians from killing each other. We are not all powerful. To think that the US can prevent Iranian and Israeli deaths against the wishes of both sides is pure hubris.


Well, unless I missed something there's not an open state of war between the two countries, so that's something. I'd rather we stay in the discussion and find peaceful solutions. It would be vastly irresponsible to just walk away- not only to the US but to the world. There's far more at stake than a few square miles of desert and some holy sites here.

And if in the end force is necessary, then it is. That's not advocating violence, it's acknowledging that sometimes it is. And yes, people die. You don't have to like it but we don't live in a world that gives a fark if you like it. The best we can do is work toward a world where it's not necessary for that to happen.

But simply telling Israel to cram it up their cram-hole is most emphatically NOT a step in the direction of peace. I take comfort in one thing- Obama is far less likely to just go "bring them on" and slap his dick on the table than the GOP would.
 
2012-09-17 02:09:04 PM  
Mugato

karnal: Then why does support for Israel seem to run along party lines?
In the last 15 years or so Palestinian Nationalism began to infiltrated into the Left's dogma....it probably has to do with the whole "the enemy (fundamentalist Islam) of my enemy (fundamentalist Christianity) is my friend," menality....because we all know how much Liberal hate Christians.

No one says that liberals hate Christians except for the lunatic fringe of the right wing. And you do realize that Jewish Americans are largely democrats, right? It's like literally everything you say is just completely wrong. But that aside, you still haven't explained how criticizing Israel in any way has to indicate anti-semitism and why that isn't a ridiculously irrational opinion.


It's not the criticism - it's the abandonment.

As for Jewish Americans voting Democrat I think it is because of Tikkun olam, which is Hebrew phrase that means "repairing the world" which is very much in line with today's progressive liberals.
 
2012-09-17 02:10:29 PM  

indylaw: How on earth would we even know? Even various Israeli officials cannot agree how far along and how serious the Iranians are about developing nuclear weapons. Some think we're years away from a threat, while others insist they're only weeks away. Try getting a straight answer on Iran's capabilities.

So let's say we set a bright line. "Iran must not obtain more that 5 kg of enriched uranium OR ELSE." How would we know if they crossed that line? Setting some arbitrary "red line" is in essence either useless posturing or a tacit admission that we're just going to assume the worst and that warfare is assured.

I'm tired of the games. I'm tired of that cretin presuming to tell the United States what to do.


I'm no expert on nuclear non-proliferation, but I do keep up with it on news and websites like Federation of American Scientists. And it seems to me that anyone that knew anything about nuclear weapons, thought that Iraq was way behind Iran in development. So we invaded Iraq in 2003 because of its "nuclear program" and the nation that was more advanced hasn't even conducted a test almost 10 years later.

Somehow this doesn't inspire confidence on people an organizations with their own agendas telling us about the nuclear capabilities of certain nations.
 
2012-09-17 02:10:34 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7331419/79436868#c79436868" target="_blank">Cyclometh</a>:</b> <i>Philip Francis Queeg:
How many of your fellow soldiers are you willing to see die to get it done?

You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away. And you know it, too. So I'll just put a question to you that's just as mendacious and full of shiat.

How many Israelis and Iranians are you willing to see die just so you can stick it to Israel?</i>

Most of them, frankly. Because sticking our dick into ww3 isn't going to help America. As much as we don't want to see regional oil trickle to a stop, spending a googlybillion dollars getting mired in a morass we simply cant win will destroy what's left of America.
 
2012-09-17 02:13:00 PM  

Cyclometh: Philip Francis Queeg:

We can't stop Israelis and Iranians from killing each other. We are not all powerful. To think that the US can prevent Iranian and Israeli deaths against the wishes of both sides is pure hubris.

Well, unless I missed something there's not an open state of war between the two countries, so that's something. I'd rather we stay in the discussion and find peaceful solutions. It would be vastly irresponsible to just walk away- not only to the US but to the world. There's far more at stake than a few square miles of desert and some holy sites here.

And if in the end force is necessary, then it is. That's not advocating violence, it's acknowledging that sometimes it is. And yes, people die. You don't have to like it but we don't live in a world that gives a fark if you like it. The best we can do is work toward a world where it's not necessary for that to happen.

But simply telling Israel to cram it up their cram-hole is most emphatically NOT a step in the direction of peace. I take comfort in one thing- Obama is far less likely to just go "bring them on" and slap his dick on the table than the GOP would.


Asking Israel to abide by the treaty they want enforced by US military power is telling them to "cram it up their cram-hole'?
 
2012-09-17 02:13:47 PM  

Cyclometh: You know, you're better than this- I didn't advocate military action, I said we can't just walk away


Telling Netanyahu to work it out for himself isn't "walking away", it's refusing to commit outselves to the consequences of his brinkmanship. We're still arming the Israeli military, perhaps that should be the extent of our involvement at this point. Don't kid yourself, Israel isn't our ally in the region, Israel is Israel's ally.
 
2012-09-17 02:17:13 PM  
How about Israel take the billions of dollars in aid we give them and farking defend themselves from the assholes they're being assholes to?

At this point, fark all of them. There are no "good guys" over there for us to ally with. They can sort it out on their own, and if whoever survives continues being assholes, we can squash them and rid the region of assholes.
 
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