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(LA Times)   This might be a good time to point out that pre-emptive wars are expressively forbidden by international law   (latimes.com) divider line 148
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2012-09-17 08:06:05 AM
TFA seems determined to do the "fair and balanced" dance, even though one side wants to start war with Iran and one does not.
 
2012-09-17 08:20:53 AM
Romney about Obama: "he insists that Obama's 21st century thrift is a terrible mistake."


Would any Romney supporters here care to explain?
 
2012-09-17 09:02:31 AM
Romney's Campaign: Obama Bad!

Romney's Foreign Policy: Russia Bad!

So you see there is consistency here.
 
2012-09-17 09:04:22 AM
FTFA: Romney's convictions are quite different, as is his approach to foreign policy. He wants to increase defense spending significantly - by almost $2 trillion over 10 years, according to one estimate

That's ONE EIGHTH of our current national debt.

What's this shiat about debt reduction and the economy again?

/horse hockey!

hinten: Would any Romney supporters here care to explain?


Heh. Good luck with that.

I'm all for a strong national defense, but we can maintain significant military hegemony without ramping up our debt by $2T. Cut waste in the MI complex, for starters...
 
2012-09-17 09:11:01 AM
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R.I.P DECLAN MACMANUS
 
2012-09-17 09:19:29 AM

xanadian: I'm all for a strong national defense, but we can maintain significant military hegemony without ramping up our debt by $2T.


Pentagon budgets escape public scrutiny because the things they spend money for are secret.

Romney wants to open government coffers for things like the F22. In his defense (pun intended) Lockheed hasn't given him any more money like he needs it... but they do tend to shovel money into cong(R)ess where any sort of oversight committee may live.
 
2012-09-17 09:19:37 AM
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R.I.P Popeye Doyle
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-17 09:32:03 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Romney's Campaign: Obama Bad!

Romney's Foreign Policy: Russia Bad!

So you see there is consistency here.


You mean the "Soviet Union Bad!"
 
2012-09-17 09:36:04 AM
Insert "Bomb bomb bomb - bomb bomb Iran" reference from a senile old skid mark of a man here.
 
2012-09-17 09:39:04 AM

vpb: Because People in power are Stupid: Romney's Campaign: Obama Bad!

Romney's Foreign Policy: Russia Bad!

So you see there is consistency here.

You mean the "Soviet Union Bad!"


Can you see it from your house? -No?
 
2012-09-17 10:44:14 AM

hinten: Romney about Obama: "he insists that Obama's 21st century thrift is a terrible mistake."


Would any Romney supporters here care to explain?


I think he's simultaneously bashing Obama for running deficits while bashing him for not spending enough.

Basically, he's throwing every piece of shiat he can.
 
2012-09-17 11:42:55 AM
"Rejects a risk-averse approach" has to be the nicest way anyone's ever said "explicitly has stated his intention to do something incredibly stupid and illegal."
 
2012-09-17 11:43:24 AM
Bold is Better when it comes for Foreign Policy
 
2012-09-17 11:45:03 AM
Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-17 11:46:33 AM
If only there were some way Obama could have reminded people of that when he came into office...if only there had been some domestic war criminals in the White House prior...oh, but what would have been the odds of that happening?
 
2012-09-17 11:47:46 AM

beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x315]


Funny since that was authorized by the United Nations
 
2012-09-17 11:49:40 AM
That's an awfully anti-Semitic thing to assert Subby.
 
2012-09-17 11:50:47 AM
No, 2003 would have been a good time to mentn it.

The reality of it is that international law is not enforced against nations with nuclear weapons, or against nations with no resources to be exploited economically. The axiom "Might makes right" has remained true since prehistoric times.
 
2012-09-17 11:50:59 AM
Oh no! Not international law! I'm literally shaking in my boots.
 
2012-09-17 11:51:14 AM

KellyX: beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x315]

Funny since that was authorized by the United Nations



How does that make it legal?
 
2012-09-17 11:51:14 AM
Hey, how about we regain the moral high ground on this one? You know, and not get a bunch of people needlessly killed at great political and economic cost?

How about we try that for a change?
 
2012-09-17 11:53:28 AM

beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x315]


That's because Democrats know the UN is our tool, and not the other way around (as the Rederplicans believe).
 
2012-09-17 11:53:34 AM
PanicMan

Hey, how about we regain the moral high ground on this one? You know, and not get a bunch of people needlessly killed at great political and economic cost?

How about we try that for a change?


Sir - what you are suggesting is preposterous!
 
2012-09-17 11:54:01 AM
One problem is that the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty is extremely generous when it comes to "research". You can do practically anything and claim it's research. I think it must have been written by the same guy as the anti-whaling treaties.
 
2012-09-17 11:55:37 AM

beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x315]


So, Libya was a pre-emptive war started by Democrats? I thought it was a UN Resolution imposing a no-fly zone and a "by any means necessary" order to protect civilians from a crackdown by a dictator who was arming militias to kill protestors.

beta_plus

OH, nevermind. Continue with your alternate reality.
 
2012-09-17 11:55:38 AM
The GOP is too immersed in the military industrial complex. This group profits when world diplomacy is in chaos...
 
2012-09-17 11:56:37 AM

poot_rootbeer: No, 2003 would have been a good time to mentn it.

The reality of it is that international law is not enforced against nations with nuclear weapons, or against nations with no resources to be exploited economically. The axiom "Might makes right" has remained true since prehistoric times.


not going to defend that invasion/occupation but we weren't exactly at peace with Iraq before 2003, enforced no-fly zones, 1998 baghdad airstrikes, military support for internal uprisings, etc. aren't exactly peaceful negotiation material
 
2012-09-17 11:57:06 AM
Remember, Romney has vowed to:
Invade Iran
Invade Iraq
Bomb the Soviet Union
Reinstall Qaddafi
Bomb Syria
Not bomb Pakistan any more
Bomb Afghanistan more

Notice North Korea is left out of this.
 
2012-09-17 11:57:16 AM

beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x315]


I just do not understand the Republican thing with Libya. Republicans were saber-rattling and desperate to go after Libya, until Obama decided to do it. Same with Afghanistan and Iraq - we absolutely had to fight those wars, until Obama was elected, and suddenly he's keeping us in two useless wars. The cognitive dissonance amazes me.

As for pre-emptive wars, technically speaking we weren't fighting in Libya to prevent them from attacking us; we were fighting in Libya to aid our new "allies" in their civil war.
 
2012-09-17 11:57:39 AM
skepticultist

beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x315]

That's because Democrats know the UN is our tool, and not the other way around (as the Rederplicans believe).


The real tools are the ones who have faith in the UN - they serve no real purpose and have become inefficient and ineffective.
 
2012-09-17 12:00:34 PM

karnal: Bold is Better when it comes for Foreign Policy


www.ushmm.orgwww.historyplace.com
 
2012-09-17 12:00:43 PM

Rich Cream: KellyX: beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x315]

Funny since that was authorized by the United Nations


How does that make it legal?


I dunno, Authorized by the world body that represents almost all nations on the planet with the majority agreeing on the actions and none of the permanent members with veto power vetoing it? I reckon that made it legal.
 
2012-09-17 12:02:17 PM
Aren't all wars started preemptively? You have to have someone be the aggressor. Otherwise we'd just have a bunch of Cold Wars, which are only useful if you want to build a Military Industrial Complex.
 
2012-09-17 12:02:24 PM
Evil men rule the world, period.
 
2012-09-17 12:03:05 PM

hinten: Romney about Obama: "he insists that Obama's 21st century thrift is a terrible mistake."

Would any Romney supporters here care to explain?


Not a Romney supporter, but he means tax cuts for the people, my friends.
 
2012-09-17 12:03:49 PM

ArkPanda: One problem is that the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty is extremely generous when it comes to "research". You can do practically anything and claim it's research. I think it must have been written by the same guy as the anti-whaling treaties.


Well, to get it signed by anyone outside the current nuclear powers, it could hardly put many restrictions on them given how little they got in return (especially in practise, given that the assurances of the nuclear powers not to use their nuclear arsenal to bully the non-nuclear nations was fairly obviously going to ring pretty hollow, as we see with the US repeatedly leaking plans to nuke Iran during Bush's administration).
 
2012-09-17 12:04:40 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Reinstall Qaddafi


I suppose the details of how he means to accomplish this are something we're not allowed to ask about?
 
2012-09-17 12:05:14 PM

Cymbal: Aren't all wars started preemptively?


No.

The term 'preemptive war' used in this context is describing the Bush invasion rationale of 'Well, they were sort of bad, and not a threat, but could possibly become a threat, so boom' - not 'We got tanks on the border, you got tanks on the border; give me a reason'.
 
2012-09-17 12:06:12 PM
B- B- B-
 
2012-09-17 12:06:35 PM
"International Law" is only as powerful as the "International Police" willing and capable of enforcing it. When the police are outgunned by the criminals, there is no law
 
2012-09-17 12:07:07 PM

KellyX: Rich Cream: KellyX: beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x315]

Funny since that was authorized by the United Nations


How does that make it legal?

I dunno, Authorized by the world body that represents almost all nations on the planet with the majority agreeing on the actions and none of the permanent members with veto power vetoing it? I reckon that made it legal.



If it's illegal it's illegal, whether or not the people perpetrating the crime believe otherwise. How the hell does that work?
 
2012-09-17 12:07:26 PM

MooseUpNorth: Satanic_Hamster: Reinstall Qaddafi

I suppose the details of how he means to accomplish this are something we're not allowed to ask about?


You don't have to reinstall him, just reboot him into safe mode and run sfc /scannow. You'll have to rerun your updates, though.
 
2012-09-17 12:08:26 PM

Lost Thought 00: "International Law" is only as powerful as the "International Police" willing and capable of enforcing it. When the police are outgunned by the criminals, there is no law


When the Police are the criminals there is no law. Just empire.
 
2012-09-17 12:10:01 PM

KellyX: Rich Cream: KellyX: beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x315]

Funny since that was authorized by the United Nations


How does that make it legal?

I dunno, Authorized by the world body that represents almost all nations on the planet with the majority agreeing on the actions and none of the permanent members with veto power vetoing it? I reckon that made it legal.


When the international community endorses it it sounds pretty damn legal to me. So much herp and so much derp. And what the hell does this have to do with the Democrats anyway? OH thats right Republicans never wage war.
 
2012-09-17 12:10:21 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Lost Thought 00: "International Law" is only as powerful as the "International Police" willing and capable of enforcing it. When the police are outgunned by the criminals, there is no law

When the Police are the criminals there is no law. Just empire.


When the empire is law, deals are altered.
 
2012-09-17 12:10:53 PM

Lost Thought 00: "International Law" is only as powerful as the "International Police" willing and capable of enforcing it. When the police are outgunned by the criminals, there is no law


The police are not outgunned by the criminals. The criminals are the police who decided to not obey or enforce their own laws.
 
2012-09-17 12:11:30 PM

MooseUpNorth: Satanic_Hamster: Reinstall Qaddafi

I suppose the details of how he means to accomplish this are something we're not allowed to ask about?


I think it's more along the lines of reinvading Iraq. Since Obama did it it's bad and should be completely reversed even through it's either impossible to reverse it or retarded to do so.
 
2012-09-17 12:12:51 PM

Baby Face Fister: When the international community endorses it it sounds pretty damn legal to me.



Not sure if serious but we're supposed to be a nation of laws, not a nation of men. This is corruption.
 
2012-09-17 12:12:55 PM

beta_plus: Preemptive wars are completely legal when Democrats wage them.


When did we go to war with Libya? Here I thought we merely supported the UN resolution to protect the Libyan citizens, support that didn't require we put a single boot on the ground. Unlike, say, those "police actions" in the mid-20th... interesting definition for war, you have there.
 
2012-09-17 12:13:11 PM
Romney's a chicken-hawk and his advisers are the same guys who brought us the preemptive invasion of Iraq, a move that has been dubbed "The Bush Doctrine". Remember how that war paid for itself and how our troops were greeted as liberators? The same guys that were behind that fiasco.

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Is the headline some sort of joke (that I don't get) or has the subby mistakenly written expressively instead of expressly?

/still on first cup of coffee.
 
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