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(The Daily Beast)   A year later, the media wonders why a leaderless organization with no clear aims or goals that modeled protests after homeless encampments didn't succeed   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 247
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2012-09-17 08:29:33 AM
In Seattle, it fizzled out once the original well meaning high minded Occupyers got replaced over time by more and more argumentative in some cases violent anarchists. For every window they broke, another 10 or 20 neighbors who supported Occupy had enough of their crap.

// Lives near the main Occupy camp, wife attends the college they were Occupying.

/// hard to bring about a "revolution" with 15 or 20 dickbags who are more interested in breaking windows than changing society.

// In before BUT YOU'RE A TOOL OF THE 1% ITS ALL THE POLICE'S FAULT WARRRRGGHGGH ANARCHY

Basically, revolutions based on smashy smashy don't ever last that long, and the petulant protesters dont stick around for the real hard work, that whole "changing society" thing is beyond their attention spans usually. I think Occupy could have had real lasting impact, and may well be having it still. But neighbors around town had more than enough of people just sitting around in drum circles all day then going out and breaking stuff at night. And thats kind of a difficult lifestyle to maintain over time, as well.
 
2012-09-17 08:48:27 AM
Subby sounds scared.
 
2012-09-17 08:48:48 AM
Because 99% of them didn't have a job.
 
2012-09-17 08:50:24 AM
In before "IT WAS THE FAULT OF THE MEDIA FOR NOT ACCURATELY CONVEYING THEIR WELL THOUGHT OUT AND PAINSTAKINGLY EXPLAINED LIST OF POSITIONS AND SOLUTIONS."
 
2012-09-17 08:50:33 AM
Well, organizing your surprise protests on Twitter might also be bad,
 
2012-09-17 08:50:48 AM
Author doesn't look at all like a douche. Not even a little.
 
2012-09-17 08:53:00 AM
It worked, if you move the goal post to "raising awareness of how the 1% treats the rest of us like peasants" rather than "communist revolution".
 
2012-09-17 08:56:44 AM
What do we want?
Fairness
What do we do?
We don't know
 
2012-09-17 08:56:46 AM
Considering that income distribution has been part of the national political conversation for the past year and is at the center of the platforms of the two candidates (e.g. tax cuts, Medicare funding), I'd say it worked.
 
2012-09-17 08:56:52 AM
Hipsters fail at protesting..everything else. More at eleven.
 
2012-09-17 08:58:13 AM

wildcardjack: It worked, if you move the goal post to "raising awareness of how the 1% treats the rest of us like peasants" rather than "communist revolution".


It also worked if you change the goal post to, "Whaaaaa Whaaaaa! Googoo Googoo! Evil rich!"
 
2012-09-17 08:59:06 AM

LockeOak: Considering that income distribution has been part of the national political conversation for the past year and is at the center of the platforms of the two candidates (e.g. tax cuts, Medicare funding), I'd say it worked.


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2012-09-17 08:59:24 AM

wildcardjack: It worked, if you move the goal post to "raising awareness of how the 1% treats the rest of us like peasants" rather than "communist revolution".



Which brings to mind an interesting question, how would things be better or worse post communist revolution?
 
2012-09-17 09:00:09 AM
Some goals such as repealing citizens united, for starters.
 
mjg
2012-09-17 09:01:05 AM
"The medium is the message" - Marshall McLuhan

/The protesters did their job, imo, in setting the parameters of discussion and got people talking about a broad range of issues/problems. If that's the most they did it's not too shabby.
 
2012-09-17 09:01:10 AM
My Twitter was full of anti- Chcago teacher strike plans and NYSE shut down plans for today.  So some are still trying.  
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-17 09:01:12 AM
When I was of an age to go on Occupy-style vacations the trendy thing to do was set up shantytowns on public or school property to show solidarity with the poor of South Africa. When you don't have much money you pretty much have to act like other people without much money.
 
2012-09-17 09:01:35 AM
Also, they didn't have a natural home, unlike the teahadis. As Dick Durbin said:

"And the banks - hard to believe in a time when we're facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created - are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place."

So the teabaggers were absorbed wholesale into the GOP because they were an astroturf phenomenon created to get the GOP out from under the shame of the Bush years without so much as a "Ummmm...sorry about that?". Meanwhile, if the Occupy movement was absorbed into the Democratic Party, they'd watch their ideals betrayed again and again, with no recourse or alternate path. What could they do, vote Republican?
 
2012-09-17 09:01:48 AM
If only there was a presidential candidate who advocating raising taxes on the top 1% like Occupy protesters wanted.
 
2012-09-17 09:02:08 AM
I don't think that it failed. It got the world talking about income inequity and that is a good thing
 
2012-09-17 09:03:16 AM

BLeap: Which brings to mind an interesting question, how would things be better or worse post communist revolution?


Are you an idiot? That's not an interesting question. Things would be worse, much would have been destroyed.
 
2012-09-17 09:03:22 AM
Why didn't it succeed, or why the media is wondering?

To the latter, it's because they're stupid.
To the former, they didn't get any cops on their side.

I think if one of them had blown up a camp and managed to pin it on the Teabaggers, this election would be even more of a slam dunk than it is now.
 
2012-09-17 09:03:41 AM

Generation_D: In Seattle, it fizzled out once the original well meaning high minded Occupyers got replaced over time by more and more argumentative in some cases violent anarchists. For every window they broke, another 10 or 20 neighbors who supported Occupy had enough of their crap.


Over in one. It took about ten minutes for the sensible, well-founded objection to the financial and corporate elite's stranglehold on the government to turn into a smelly tent city full of the same itinerant jackanapes who seem to infest every homelessness/unemployment protest. The one here in Ottawa skipped right to step two because the thing the occupy movement was originally protesting doesn't happen to nearly the same extent here. Kind of like a guy who watches his neighbours pile the kids into the car to go to disney world, decides "hey me too" and then sits in the driveway idling the engine until it runs out of gas. And then keeps sitting there for six weeks yelling at passersby.
 
2012-09-17 09:03:51 AM
"The protests shook the world"

No, they really didn't.
 
2012-09-17 09:04:05 AM
Totally jumped the shark when the love fest happened for Steve Jobs passing. Anybody clueless to what sort of Capitalist Jobs was is certainly not savvy enough to be trusted for anything. Also, bathing more often might have helped.
 
2012-09-17 09:04:10 AM
Occupy didn't pan out because the participants didn't stand in rows and lines with weapons at the ready.
 
2012-09-17 09:04:33 AM
i55.tinypic.com 

THIS THREAD
 
2012-09-17 09:05:31 AM

LockeOak: Considering that income distribution has been part of the national political conversation for the past year and is at the center of the platforms of the two candidates (e.g. tax cuts, Medicare funding), I'd say it worked.


The Republican wants additional tax cuts for the rich and more military spending and the Democrat is positioning himself as the defender of Medicare, Social Security, and the middle class? OMG, you're right, that's completely and totally unlike any presidential election in the history of ever. Occupy sure did change the game!
 
2012-09-17 09:06:41 AM
Ok, if we assume that the point of Occupy was to shift the discussion to income disparity in america and to mobilize the average joe to start asking questions regarding the present economic system, then the movement was generally a success. I am ok with this because in the 5624 iterations of this thread, the people supporting Occupy, when responding to accusations that the protests had no point, pretty much always fall back on "the point of Occupy was to oppose/point out the present flaws in the American economic system."

If however, we assume that the point of the Occupy movement was to actually effect substantive changes - well then yes, their total lack of a policy plan/coherent platform (ala Ocala Demands) and their ad hoc, grass roots schizophrenic messaging meant that that was never ever going to happen. Also they were kooky - deeply farking kooky.

So success here is a bit of an odd thing to figure out. The problem, for Occupy, is that the teahadis actually elected people. Ass-numbingly stupid, country destroying people. but still - they can say that their movement actually caused substantive changes to American law and politics. Of course given that the substantive change the tea party has wrought involved slowing economic recovery and getting our credit downgraded, i suppose that is the kind of "success" i am glad Occupy couldn't achieve.
 
2012-09-17 09:07:50 AM
And if anybody knows about not succeeding, it's Tina Brown.
 
2012-09-17 09:07:56 AM
OWS was dead the moment their kitchen started serving them: salmon cakes with dill sauce and quinoa salad - along with a tomato salad with fennel and red onion, and different kinds of soup

Their doing it all wrong....then again, without a goal doubtful they had a playbook.
 
2012-09-17 09:08:33 AM

LockeOak: Considering that income distribution has been part of the national political conversation for the past year and is at the center of the platforms of the two candidates (e.g. tax cuts, Medicare funding), I'd say it worked.


Yeah, they never talked about that before.
 
2012-09-17 09:09:47 AM
Is there any reason to think that, given the economic situation of the country, the economy (the evil rich, the downtrodden poor etc.) wouldn't have been the topic of discussion even if the Occupiers had never materialized?
 
2012-09-17 09:09:59 AM
OCW succeeded to the extent that I went from dismissing them as smelly losers to wishing I had the balls to join them, partly after reading this:

What the protesters are on about

I don't see how you can watch that and not be angry. While OCW was unable to completely dismantle the free market system, they certainly provoked some awareness.

Anyway, subby, how can you say they "didn't succeed" when they had "no clear aims or goals"?
 
2012-09-17 09:10:02 AM
a leaderless organization with no clear aims or goals that modeled protests after homeless encampments didn't succeed

That about sums it up.

Once the occupy guys started crowing about how they "didn't have a platform" and "had no specific goal" I know they were toast. Without asking for specific changes the protests started to sound like "We're pissed. Waaaaahhhh.... look at me.... whahhhhh"
 
2012-09-17 09:10:05 AM
mjg: "The medium is the message" - Marshall McLuhan

/The protesters did their job, imo, in setting the parameters of discussion and got people talking about a broad range of issues/problems. If that's the most they did it's not too shabby.


And get involved in the political process..
 
2012-09-17 09:10:39 AM

Teiritzamna: the substantive change the tea party has wrought involved slowing economic recovery and getting our credit downgraded


What planet do you live on? If you look at why S&P downgraded, it's because there was no coherent plan for the debt. The gridlock just made that clear. Whatever the faults with the TPers - blindness to huge portions of the budget, social conservatism, etc - they at least made the national debt an issue.
 
2012-09-17 09:10:45 AM

EyeballKid: And if anybody knows about not succeeding, it's Tina Brown.


or they failed because any dumb chimpanzee can simply lay on the street.

/Put some effort into it.
 
2012-09-17 09:11:03 AM

Mambo Bananapatch: OCW succeeded to the extent that I went from dismissing them as smelly losers to wishing I had the balls to join them, partly after reading this:

What the protesters are on about

I don't see how you can watch that and not be angry. While OCW was unable to completely dismantle the free market system, they certainly provoked some awareness.

Anyway, subby, how can you say they "didn't succeed" when they had "no clear aims or goals"?


dafuq is OCW
 
2012-09-17 09:11:28 AM
These deadbeats are still unemployed? Thanks alot, Obama-economy!

/keeding
 
2012-09-17 09:11:41 AM

Mambo Bananapatch: While OCW was unable to completely dismantle the free market system


I don't think any sane person wants that. I'll assume you were being a little facetious.
 
2012-09-17 09:12:00 AM
The Occupy movement wanted x y and z to happen, for reasons a b and c.

A b and c are now part of the public discourse, and a lot of people now want x y and z.

I wouldn't say that the occupy movement got 98% of what they wanted, but things certainly got shifted in their direction.
 
2012-09-17 09:12:10 AM

Farklee: EyeballKid: And if anybody knows about not succeeding, it's Tina Brown.

or they failed because any dumb chimpanzee can simply lay on the street.

/Put some effort into it.


Sorry Eyeballkid: my reply mistankly was attached to your quote....not sure why.
 
2012-09-17 09:14:01 AM
Corporate media discusses why corporate media didn't look favorably on anti-corporate protest movement. More at 11.
 
2012-09-17 09:14:08 AM

YixilTesiphon: Mambo Bananapatch: While OCW was unable to completely dismantle the free market system

I don't think any sane person wants that. I'll assume you were being a little facetious.


Well, not for nothing we're not talking about same people here. We're talking about OWS.
 
2012-09-17 09:14:13 AM

Generation_D: In Seattle, it fizzled out once the original well meaning high minded Occupyers got replaced over time by more and more argumentative in some cases violent anarchists. For every window they broke, another 10 or 20 neighbors who supported Occupy had enough of their crap.

// Lives near the main Occupy camp, wife attends the college they were Occupying.

/// hard to bring about a "revolution" with 15 or 20 dickbags who are more interested in breaking windows than changing society.

// In before BUT YOU'RE A TOOL OF THE 1% ITS ALL THE POLICE'S FAULT WARRRRGGHGGH ANARCHY

Basically, revolutions based on smashy smashy don't ever last that long, and the petulant protesters dont stick around for the real hard work, that whole "changing society" thing is beyond their attention spans usually. I think Occupy could have had real lasting impact, and may well be having it still. But neighbors around town had more than enough of people just sitting around in drum circles all day then going out and breaking stuff at night. And thats kind of a difficult lifestyle to maintain over time, as well.


That's funny; basically the same thing could be said about what's happened in Egypt and Tahrir.
 
2012-09-17 09:14:16 AM
It might not have been the success they imagined or hoped that it would be but there is a dialog regarding things like wealth gap and tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans to the detriment of the poor and middle class. Not the worst outcome...
 
2012-09-17 09:14:24 AM
FTA: ""I am tired of billionaires telling us what we need to do for our children as if they love our children more than we do,"

HAHAHAHAHAh somebody need to explain irony to her

FTA:" I want them to turn off the air conditioning on the fifth floor of City Hall and let them work like we work."

Then i am sure she and the other teachers will gladly pay for the larger carbon footprint right?
 
2012-09-17 09:15:03 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: YixilTesiphon: Mambo Bananapatch: While OCW was unable to completely dismantle the free market system

I don't think any sane person wants that. I'll assume you were being a little facetious.

Well, not for nothing we're not talking about same people here. We're talking about OWS.


Shiat. 'sane', not 'same'
 
2012-09-17 09:15:47 AM
If OWS were upset about tax breaks for the wealthy, why didn't they protest the DNC and Obama who extended it?
 
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