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2012-09-17 09:20:26 AM  

Famous Thamas: There are nice people in Israel, and it is a nation worth supporting, but f Netanyahoo.


Ah yes, nice country, that Israel:

Most racist country in the West.
 
2012-09-17 09:21:20 AM  

Tarl3k: A 2 state solution, perhaps?


We had that until ONE of the states (not naming any names) started to illegally confiscate land from ANOTHER state (again, not naming any names)
 
2012-09-17 09:21:25 AM  
Its always important to remember the distinction between Israel's current batshiat crazy right-wing neoconservative government and the populace as a whole. It may sound like a broken record, but there is a helluva lot more room for nuance and debate within Israel itself than in the US over Israeli policy. The fact is that the Israeli public is just not buying Bibi's screaming warmongering. Even Ehud Barak isn't.
 
2012-09-17 09:21:55 AM  
This cocksucker should be crawling on his hands and knees to kiss our feet and beg for our support, instead he expects it handed to him.
 
2012-09-17 09:22:41 AM  

Dinobot:
I've heard almost the same line of reasoning, but with a twist, from my crazy uncle, who is a sbc pastor,... attack iran to trigger the 2nd coming of jesus


stoli n coke: Actually, the fundies believe God's also going to destroy the Jews because they deny the divinity of Christ.

The fundies don't actually care about the people of Israel. They just want to make sure the Jeebus Runway is left intact.


So between the two of those I can only assume turning Iran into a glass parking lot allows for SuperJebus to have his landing runway?
 
2012-09-17 09:24:15 AM  
"...with *regards* to Iran's nuclear program?" He sends his compliments?

/Grammar Nazi meme probably not appropriate in this context
 
2012-09-17 09:24:16 AM  

StoneColdAtheist: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

If the USG was unconditionally and eternally supporting Bibi's demands we would already have attacked Iran. Instead, President Obama told Bibi to stfu and gbtw.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative.


Okay, so 'near unconditional,' then.
 
2012-09-17 09:25:07 AM  

Silly Jesus: Daveism: Silly Jesus: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

There IS something to be said for having such an ally in that area of the world.

An ally? They're like a little brother that starts fights that you have to constantly rescue them from- they're the little bullies in the neighborhood. And, yes, I DO realize they're not the only ones. But Israel is FAR from an ally.

I meant more in the sense that it could serve as a base of operations for our military and that it's the one place in that region that isn't part of the anti-American nonsense that boils over with increasing frequency.


The Anti-American nonsense wouldn't boil over so easily or so often if the US wasn't so heavily and openly involved with Isreal.

The entire region hates Isreal, and not entirely without good reason. Backing them so heavily is like being best friends with a guy that everyone else at your school hates. In terms of diplomacy with other parts of the Mid-East, Isreal is a nothing but a burden. As for military bases, the US is on good terms enough with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait for that not to be a huge issue. Not to mention they're now propping up the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan.

I mean, things I mentioned in my last post aside, it also might come down to how other NATO countries would react if the US distanced itself further from Isreal?

I dunno. It'd just be nice, for once, to see a world leader come out swinging about Isreal's incessant warmongering and the seriously shiatty way they treat the Palestinian territories.
 
2012-09-17 09:25:34 AM  

stoli n coke: Vodka Zombie: SilentStrider: I really wish someone would tell that guy to stfu and gbtw.

Apparently, his job is to go around begging other nations to start wars on Israel's behalf. But, the shutting the fark up part would be nice for a freakin' change.

Isreal, the geopolitical equivalent of the drunken frat boy who grabs every chick's ass at the bar, then expects his friends to jump in when one of their boyfriends wants to kick his ass.


Ha! Well put.
 
2012-09-17 09:25:54 AM  

SpectroBoy: Tarl3k: A 2 state solution, perhaps?

We had that until ONE of the states (not naming any names) started to illegally confiscate land from ANOTHER state (again, not naming any names)refused to accept when the other state acceded to all their demands


/when you won't take yes for an answer, life can get complicated
 
2012-09-17 09:26:05 AM  
So, Iran is on Double Secret Probation or some shiat?
 
2012-09-17 09:26:32 AM  
Killling bin Laden gives Obama an unquestioning advantage on Mid East issues over Romney. Netanyahu doesn't understand this. His "Obama is weak on Mid-east security issues" would carry more weight if Obama didn't get bin Laden.
 
2012-09-17 09:26:42 AM  

Tarl3k: blastoh: This whole conflict between Israel and the Middle east has run its course, and it is time to do something about it.

We need to finally fix this problem.
We need a solution.

A 2 state solution, perhaps?


maybe he wants a final solution?
 
2012-09-17 09:27:06 AM  
Aren't alliances supposed to be mutually beneficial?
 
2012-09-17 09:27:13 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Because Mormons and Jews get along so well together.


FWIW, Romney and Benji are investment BFFs from Boston in the 70s. Being filthy stinking rich trumps religion for them.
 
2012-09-17 09:27:25 AM  

Cythraul: xanadian: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

Because it's nice to have a staunch ally in a region that generally detests us. The whole Christian-ized "holy land" thing is just a cover for a more realistic strategic approach.

Can I get some specifics on the benefits of having an 'ally' in that region? And do those benefits outweigh the negatives, such as the rest of that cultural region having utter contempt for us for being involved with that ally?


Parthenogenetic: What if the denizens of that region generally detest us because of our support of said staunch ally?

o_O


The denizens of that region will hate us regardless because of who we are and what we stand for.

Despite that, this is a valid concern. We got ourselves into this bed when we supported the creation of a state for a group of people who really got the short end of the deal in the 30s and early 40s. It was a "noble" thing to do. We also, as I understand it, had no other place to get them to go to, and we figured they needed a home land. Why not their ancient home land? Unfortunately, that came with a whole mess of other issues.

As for Israel going off the derp end with zionism: how would we react if we felt we were under constant and persistent threat by those who surrounded us on almost all sides?

Silly Jesus: Not sure. It seems somewhat logical that it's a good thing to have an ally in the middle of the cesspool that is the Middle East. I don't know if the good outweighs the bad though...that's a valid question.


It is.
 
2012-09-17 09:27:28 AM  

Dinobot: from my crazy uncle, who is a sbc pastor,... attack iran to trigger the 2nd coming of jesus


Next time you see him, slap his face with this:

i.imgur.com

The very idea that humans could actively force a second coming is a sinful act of extreme hubris. Don't go there, uncle. If Deuteronomy, Luke and Matthew all say its a bad idea, then Christians probably shouldn't do it.
 
2012-09-17 09:28:11 AM  

lilplatinum: This cocksucker should be crawling on his hands and knees to kiss our feet and beg for our support, instead he expects it handed to him.


That's actually kind of what is happening now, it's just wrapped up in diplomat speak.

I say put Israel joining the NPT on the table and then see how badly he wants his war.
 
2012-09-17 09:28:14 AM  
www.fishchan.com
 
2012-09-17 09:28:39 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Gwyrddu: He's got to know that Obama is very likely to win with or without his statements. Does he think Obama will be any more well disposed to work with Israel after pulling this sort of shiat?

That's the part I don't understand. He's just asking for more unfavorable treatment in the next Obama administration than he would have gotten without his interference. And if he doesn't interfere and Romney wins, it's not like the GOP chickenhawks will suddenly dislike the idea of fighting stupid wars in the Middle East. Netanyahu's best play here was to do nothing and hope for a Romney win, but don't piss off Obama, the guy who will most likely win.


Maybe, just maybe, Netanyahu really doesn't care about our election. Maybe he feels Iran is truly a threat?

Meh probably not. I would laugh off some president from another country calling for my country's obliteration.

: /

Iran is a threat to its neighbors and to overall world stability.
 
2012-09-17 09:29:19 AM  
Honest question: WTF is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Why does Israel demand the US be the one with blood on their hands?
 
2012-09-17 09:30:32 AM  
the more the focus shifts from the economy to foreign policy, the worse romney looks. after all, there is zero foreign policy or military experience on the GOP ticket. ZE-ROH.
 
2012-09-17 09:30:46 AM  
Maybe, just maybe, Netanyahu really doesn't care about our election. Maybe he feels Iran is truly a threat?

Well you see, that's his problem, not our problem. If he wants to attack Iran, he's on his own.
 
2012-09-17 09:31:48 AM  

Overfiend: Iran is a threat to its neighbors and to overall world stability.


How?
 
2012-09-17 09:31:49 AM  

Frontspac: Silly Jesus: Daveism: Silly Jesus: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

There IS something to be said for having such an ally in that area of the world.

An ally? They're like a little brother that starts fights that you have to constantly rescue them from- they're the little bullies in the neighborhood. And, yes, I DO realize they're not the only ones. But Israel is FAR from an ally.

I meant more in the sense that it could serve as a base of operations for our military and that it's the one place in that region that isn't part of the anti-American nonsense that boils over with increasing frequency.

The Anti-American nonsense wouldn't boil over so easily or so often if the US wasn't so heavily and openly involved with Isreal.

The entire region hates Isreal, and not entirely without good reason. Backing them so heavily is like being best friends with a guy that everyone else at your school hates. In terms of diplomacy with other parts of the Mid-East, Isreal is a nothing but a burden. As for military bases, the US is on good terms enough with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait for that not to be a huge issue. Not to mention they're now propping up the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan.

I mean, things I mentioned in my last post aside, it also might come down to how other NATO countries would react if the US distanced itself further from Isreal?

I dunno. It'd just be nice, for once, to see a world leader come out swinging about Isreal's incessant warmongering and the seriously shiatty way they treat the Palestinian territories.


Fair enough. Good points.
 
2012-09-17 09:34:27 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Overfiend: Iran is a threat to its neighbors and to overall world stability.

How?


Well if it didn't exist Israel wouldn't keep trying to attack it.
 
2012-09-17 09:35:13 AM  

digistil: Honest question: WTF is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Why does Israel demand the US be the one with blood on their hands?


I think that our military might be a tad bit larger and better equipped.
 
2012-09-17 09:35:55 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Gwyrddu: He's got to know that Obama is very likely to win with or without his statements. Does he think Obama will be any more well disposed to work with Israel after pulling this sort of shiat?

That's the part I don't understand. He's just asking for more unfavorable treatment in the next Obama administration than he would have gotten without his interference. And if he doesn't interfere and Romney wins, it's not like the GOP chickenhawks will suddenly dislike the idea of fighting stupid wars in the Middle East. Netanyahu's best play here was to do nothing and hope for a Romney win, but don't piss off Obama, the guy who will most likely win.


I think ol' Ben severely overestimates Israel's sway in the US. That's the only explanation that makes sense to me.
 
2012-09-17 09:36:10 AM  
Anyone who thinks that the moment we stop supporting Israel we're gonna be at peace is fooling themselves. The region is far too strategically important and Muslims have far longer memmories than Americans. Do you really expect societies where taking revenge is a virtue to either forgive or forget?
 
2012-09-17 09:36:35 AM  

GAT_00: Ah, see, here's the proof that he's gotten on Romney's press team: he blames everyone but himself for his own actions. Clearly Republican.


Yeah, but he's always done that. It's one of the things that makes him such a perfect neocon.
 
2012-09-17 09:37:41 AM  
If Yahoo has such a hard-on for Iran, Israel is free to wage war against them and deal with the ramifications themselves.
 
2012-09-17 09:38:06 AM  

Frontspac: Put me down as another person who's been consistently baffled as to why Isreal gets such a free pass in politics and the media. Everyone is just dead afraid of coming right out and calling them on their (massive quantities of) bullshiat.

I mean, what is it they have exactly that all the western countries need so bad? Are they an important port city?

Or are a lot of people still really attatched to the idea that Isreal and Judaism are intertwined to the point where not supporting Isreal is Anti-Semitism?

Or do the Zionists just have enough money to buy off every Western government and make sure no one in the media on multiple continents takes to critical a look?


i think we will see this start to shift some, but not by much, for a long time.

i think it initially was guilt from the holocaust which the entire West felt, and we collectively wanted to make sure the israelis didnt suffer a similar fate at the hands of the arabs.

the last generation or so, the interests of Israel and the US have diverged, and its no longer clear to me, as you say, why we are so interested in sticking our necks out for them when it hurts us very literally for what is to me a rather unquantifiable gain. We should support israel, its a democracy, decent institutions, etc... a regime worthy of Western Support in many ways.

Then again, S. Africa was the same way under apartheid, and the West denied a lot of support to the Afrikaans S. African regime despite its western posture because of its policies against the blacks.

Why the same thing cant be applied to the israelis i think is a testament to how well they know us and are embedded in our political system like a great Lobbyist. I do not think "the jews control the US" or any of that other antisemtic conspiracy crap, but i think aside fromt eh UK youd be hard pressed to find a foreign govt which is so well in tune with how washington works and embeds its dignitaries into our govt.

Couple that with the hard right's wet dream of israel and rapture scripture crap, and then the ignorance and hate many Americans have for the arabs and its not really a surprise theyre so successful lobbying us.
 
2012-09-17 09:39:02 AM  

Silly Jesus: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

There IS something to be said for having such an ally in that area of the world.


In that case, I vote for Iran, because they have a metric shiatload of oil.
 
2012-09-17 09:39:10 AM  

digistil: Honest question: WTF is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Why does Israel demand the US be the one with blood on their hands?


Short answer at the moment: we are. Sec State Clinton has laid down the law and we're actually (very quietly) withholding aid. Current policy with Israel is that if they pick a fight with Iran or anyone, we will not back them up.

It makes me very happy
 
2012-09-17 09:40:31 AM  

Overfiend: Maybe, just maybe, Netanyahu really doesn't care about our election. Maybe he feels Iran is truly a threat?


Perhaps he should share that which leads him to believe Iran is about to complete a working nuclear warhead. It's pretty obvious the US military doesn't share his belief.
 
2012-09-17 09:41:28 AM  

digistil: Honest question: WTF is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Why does Israel demand the US be the one with blood on their hands?


The fact that Iran's nuclear facilities are a thousand miles from Israel and Israel doesn't have the bomb technology to take them out. All Israel dropping a few bombs on Iran would do is inflame an already paranoid Iran. It would not accomplish anything like Bibi's stated goal of stopping their nuclear program and would probably end up undoing all the progress the west has made in calming things in the ME.

IOW, it would create a farking mess, which is why the President told him "No" in no uncertain terms.
 
2012-09-17 09:42:28 AM  

digistil: Because People in power are Stupid: Because Mormons and Jews get along so well together.

FWIW, Romney and Benji are investment BFFs from Boston in the 70s. Being filthy stinking rich trumps religion for them.


They have the same religion: they both worship Mammon.
 
2012-09-17 09:43:10 AM  

Here'sJohnny: Anyone who thinks that the moment we stop supporting Israel we're gonna be at peace is fooling themselves. The region is far too strategically important and Muslims have far longer memmories than Americans. Do you really expect societies where taking revenge is a virtue to either forgive or forget?


Oh hardly. The politics involved in dealing with the Middle East, Isreal included, are way to complex for any sane informed person to say "fark Isreal lets just bail on that scene, man." Isreal has been a country for more than half a century, and has millions of citizens. At this point, it has as much right to be there as any other country (all of them exist on land that use to be someone else's at this point), and there's lots of legit reasons not to let them get steamrolled by Syria/Egypt/Iran/etc...

On the flip-side, though, there's no excuse for the NATO countries in letting Isreal run wild as it has. I, like I think most people, just want to see the big boys step up and reign them in. No more colonies in the West Bank and Gaza, no more war-mongering, and get serious about not treating the Palestinians like second class-citizens and fixing the goddamn problem properly and without mass-murder or genocide.

Honestly, it sucks that the US/NATO is so heavily involved in the goings on of all these other countries, but it's already happened and it's way too late to go back to any kind of isolationism.
 
2012-09-17 09:43:16 AM  

Somacandra: Dinobot: from my crazy uncle, who is a sbc pastor,... attack iran to trigger the 2nd coming of jesus

Next time you see him, slap his face with this:

[i.imgur.com image 622x243]

The very idea that humans could actively force a second coming is a sinful act of extreme hubris. Don't go there, uncle. If Deuteronomy, Luke and Matthew all say its a bad idea, then Christians probably shouldn't do it.


Like "Christians" adhere to every part of the Bible, even when it inconveniences them.
 
2012-09-17 09:44:21 AM  

Silly Jesus: digistil: Honest question: WTF is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Why does Israel demand the US be the one with blood on their hands?

I think that our military might be a tad bit larger and better equipped.


So we should fight wars for our allies, when they are capable themselves? As of this past week, Ben has said Israel has the capability to take out all Iranian nuclear sites. So why demand the US do it instead?
 
2012-09-17 09:44:22 AM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: Famous Thamas: There are nice people in Israel, and it is a nation worth supporting, but f Netanyahoo.

Ah yes, nice country, that Israel:

Most racist country in the West.


yeah they don't marry outside of their race-religion. that tends to make them more insular.
their race and religion are almost the same thing as a result.
Hell it's hard to get them to hire someone outside their race.
Just look at Wall st,Hollywood and the giant media companies to see that at work.
 
2012-09-17 09:45:13 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: digistil: Honest question: WTF is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Why does Israel demand the US be the one with blood on their hands?

Short answer at the moment: we are. Sec State Clinton has laid down the law and we're actually (very quietly) withholding aid. Current policy with Israel is that if they pick a fight with Iran or anyone, we will not back them up.

It makes me very happy


me too! go Hil!

no wonder Netanyahoo (sp?) tried to put pressure on Barack; if he can help get mittens in there, who he thinks he has a better chance of convincing to back a war, it would help him with his own push for war.

The Obama administration appears to have come to the same conclusion the Israeli Center has: there's no reason to go to war now. The Hawks like Netenyahoo are like Israel's version of RUmsfeld and WOlfowitz prior to the Iraqi invasion. Theyre saying Saddam can only be overthrown by force and he's a threat to the world NOW when in reality there are plenty of options left on the table. Like they can keep putting in virii into their computers and assassinating their scientists, for example.
 
2012-09-17 09:46:20 AM  

PonceAlyosha: HotWingConspiracy: Overfiend: Iran is a threat to its neighbors and to overall world stability.

How?

Well if it didn't exist Israel wouldn't keep trying to attack it.


It's more than that. Even Saudi Arabia doesn't want Iran to be that level of a regional power. Probably has to do with that whole Sunni/shiate thing.
 
2012-09-17 09:47:42 AM  

digistil: Silly Jesus: digistil: Honest question: WTF is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Why does Israel demand the US be the one with blood on their hands?

I think that our military might be a tad bit larger and better equipped.

So we should fight wars for our allies, when they are capable themselves? As of this past week, Ben has said Israel has the capability to take out all Iranian nuclear sites. So why demand the US do it instead?


it costs money.
 
2012-09-17 09:47:46 AM  

Father_Jack: no wonder Netanyahoo (sp?) tried to put pressure on Barack; if he can help get mittens in there, who he thinks he has a better chance of convincing to back a war, it would help him with his own push for war.


The only piece of foreign policy Mitt has made clear is that Israel would get a blank check from us. It's why the Israel lobby is supporting him this time around.
 
2012-09-17 09:48:29 AM  

StoneColdAtheist: The fact that Iran's nuclear facilities are a thousand miles from Israel and Israel doesn't have the bomb technology to take them out.


Except for the fact that you're wrong: Link
 
2012-09-17 09:48:43 AM  

Father_Jack: They're saying Saddam can only be overthrown by force and he's a threat to the world NOW when in reality there are plenty of options left on the table


Because "liberating" Iraq has worked so well for us. If Romney wins the election based even on a significant amount of his stance on Israel and Iran, it will just go to show that the average American electorate has the memory of a goldfish.
 
2012-09-17 09:49:02 AM  

Father_Jack: Dwight_Yeast: digistil: Honest question: WTF is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Why does Israel demand the US be the one with blood on their hands?

Short answer at the moment: we are. Sec State Clinton has laid down the law and we're actually (very quietly) withholding aid. Current policy with Israel is that if they pick a fight with Iran or anyone, we will not back them up.

It makes me very happy

me too! go Hil!

no wonder Netanyahoo (sp?) tried to put pressure on Barack; if he can help get mittens in there, who he thinks he has a better chance of convincing to back a war, it would help him with his own push for war.

The Obama administration appears to have come to the same conclusion the Israeli Center has: there's no reason to go to war now. The Hawks like Netenyahoo are like Israel's version of RUmsfeld and WOlfowitz prior to the Iraqi invasion. Theyre saying Saddam can only be overthrown by force and he's a threat to the world NOW when in reality there are plenty of options left on the table. Like they can keep putting in virii into their computers and assassinating their scientists, for example.


Where'd you read that about Clinton halting aid to Isreal? Sounds like something that'd have made for a bigger story, especially with Rmoney so desperate for straws to grasp.

That said, as good as it sounds, you have to wonder if the US really has the option of staying out of an Isreal/Iran conflict. I mean, it'd massively de-stabilize the entire region, and who knows who might join in on Iran's side (if they thought the US was staying out). As awful as it'd be, staying out of a war like that could be more trouble long-term than ensuring Isreal wins.

Assuming, of course, no one could slap together a peace-keeping force and head that shiat off at the pass. I might be being optimistic on NATO or the UNs ability to roll something that politically precarious, much less fast enough to make a difference.
 
2012-09-17 09:49:03 AM  

keylock71: If Yahoo has such a hard-on for Iran, Israel is free to wage war against them and deal with the ramifications themselves.


we're done here. Just lock the door behind you.
 
2012-09-17 09:49:08 AM  

digistil: Silly Jesus: digistil: Honest question: WTF is stopping Israel from bombing Iran? Why does Israel demand the US be the one with blood on their hands?

I think that our military might be a tad bit larger and better equipped.

So we should fight wars for our allies, when they are capable themselves? As of this past week, Ben has said Israel has the capability to take out all Iranian nuclear sites. So why demand the US do it instead?


I never said that we SHOULD do it, I was simply pointing out a big reason why Israel would want the U.S. to lead the way. Israel says that they can do it themselves, but that doesn't seem very realistic. Especially when you factor in the other Middle East countries that would surely retaliate. They are a tiny country and surrounded by sworn enemies. Having a huge "friend" like the U.S. to run things would certainly make me sleep easier if I were there.

Again, not advocating for this approach. I understand it though...
 
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