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SilentStrider		2012-09-17 08:07:54 AM

I really wish someone would tell that guy to stfu and gbtw.

Vodka Zombie		2012-09-17 08:13:42 AM

SilentStrider: I really wish someone would tell that guy to stfu and gbtw.

Apparently, his job is to go around begging other nations to start wars on Israel's behalf. But, the shutting the fark up part would be nice for a freakin' change.

GAT_00		2012-09-17 08:15:19 AM

Ah, see, here's the proof that he's gotten on Romney's press team: he blames everyone but himself for his own actions. Clearly Republican.

somedude210		2012-09-17 08:21:41 AM

Over under on if we go to war before the election?

/agree with the "stfu" sentiment
//subby

Because People in power are Stupid		2012-09-17 08:34:38 AM

Because Mormons and Jews get along so well together.

Cythraul		2012-09-17 08:37:42 AM

Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

stpauler		2012-09-17 08:41:27 AM

Two words: Fark Israel.

Sybarite		2012-09-17 08:42:55 AM

I'm trying to imagine anyone who thinks it's a good idea to start a war with Iran that isn't already in the bag for Romney. I just don't think it's going to play really well with the swing voters.

johnryan51		2012-09-17 08:45:45 AM

Why do we bend over for this guy?

Fuggin Bizzy		2012-09-17 08:48:36 AM

Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

Because Jesus.

Dinobot		2012-09-17 08:49:20 AM

SilentStrider: I really wish someone would tell that guy to stfu and gbtw.

Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

stpauler: Two words: Fark Israel.

All of these.

Daveism		2012-09-17 08:51:39 AM

stpauler: Two words: Fark Israel.

Seriously. How much shiat would we not be involved in if we just left things to their own devices... You all want to claim a rock and hill as the basis of your various Religions of Peace(tm)? Either get along, or blow each other to hell- but we'll be... uhh.. over there...

stoli n coke		2012-09-17 08:51:59 AM

Vodka Zombie: SilentStrider: I really wish someone would tell that guy to stfu and gbtw.

Apparently, his job is to go around begging other nations to start wars on Israel's behalf. But, the shutting the fark up part would be nice for a freakin' change.

Isreal, the geopolitical equivalent of the drunken frat boy who grabs every chick's ass at the bar, then expects his friends to jump in when one of their boyfriends wants to kick his ass.

azpenguin		2012-09-17 08:53:17 AM

O hai America. Plz to fight a war with Iran for us? Kthxbai.

indylaw		2012-09-17 08:53:30 AM

I wish someone would approach Bibi and smack him across the face with some sort of fish. Maybe mackerel.

Dinobot		2012-09-17 08:53:49 AM

Also, INB4 we get called Anti-semites just because we don't want to fight a war on someone else's behalf.

Famous Thamas		2012-09-17 08:53:55 AM

There are nice people in Israel, and it is a nation worth supporting, but f Netanyahoo.

Silly Jesus		2012-09-17 08:56:00 AM

Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

There IS something to be said for having such an ally in that area of the world.

SilentStrider		2012-09-17 08:57:25 AM

Dinobot: Also, INB4 we get called Anti-semites just because we don't want to fight a war on someone else's behalf.

Surprised it hasn't happened yet.

low_dazzle		2012-09-17 08:57:41 AM

Do Jews have an equivalent to 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'?

GAT_00		2012-09-17 08:57:50 AM

Famous Thamas: There are nice people in Israel, and it is a nation worth supporting, but f Netanyahoo.

The idea of the nation is worth supporting. The current nation-state is not.

Dinobot		2012-09-17 08:57:55 AM

SilentStrider: Dinobot: Also, INB4 we get called Anti-semites just because we don't want to fight a war on someone else's behalf.

Surprised it hasn't happened yet.

probably because we're all in the ignore list already

Elfich		2012-09-17 08:59:20 AM

The "reasoning" I have heard (and you can take the term "reasoning" loosely) is as such:

Isreal occupies Jerusalem. When the second coming/rapture/megajesus comes down and starts obliterating the unclean; Jerusalem/Isrealies/SuperFundies will be spared. So the fundies in government are trying to: stay on the good side/manipulate/coddle the country that holds Jerusalem.

Yeah, its whacko. My own biases may have screwed up what I heard.

xanadian		2012-09-17 08:59:21 AM

Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

Because it's nice to have a staunch ally in a region that generally detests us. The whole Christian-ized "holy land" thing is just a cover for a more realistic strategic approach.

Cythraul		2012-09-17 09:01:35 AM

Silly Jesus: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

There IS something to be said for having such an ally in that area of the world.

xanadian: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

Because it's nice to have a staunch ally in a region that generally detests us. The whole Christian-ized "holy land" thing is just a cover for a more realistic strategic approach.

Can I get some specifics on the benefits of having an 'ally' in that region? And do those benefits outweigh the negatives, such as the rest of that cultural region having utter contempt for us for being involved with that ally?

HotWingConspiracy		2012-09-17 09:01:45 AM

Not even his own cabinet believes this shiat.

And as soon as the Jethro states realize that gassing up their F350 will cost about a grand if we go to war with Iran, whatever tenuous support they might lend to blow up more muslims will quickly dissipate.

Gwyrddu		2012-09-17 09:01:53 AM

He's got to know that Obama is very likely to win with or without his statements. Does he think Obama will be any more well disposed to work with Israel after pulling this sort of shiat?

Hetfield		2012-09-17 09:02:09 AM

low_dazzle: Do Jews have an equivalent to 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'?

"The Shegez Who Raised Interest Rates"?

Snarfangel		2012-09-17 09:02:30 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Because Mormons and Jews get along so well together.

I AM KING OF THE MOOS!

blastoh		2012-09-17 09:03:59 AM

This whole conflict between Israel and the Middle east has run its course, and it is time to do something about it.

We need to finally fix this problem.
We need a solution.

stoli n coke		2012-09-17 09:04:43 AM

Elfich: The "reasoning" I have heard (and you can take the term "reasoning" loosely) is as such:

Isreal occupies Jerusalem. When the second coming/rapture/megajesus comes down and starts obliterating the unclean; Jerusalem/Isrealies/SuperFundies will be spared. So the fundies in government are trying to: stay on the good side/manipulate/coddle the country that holds Jerusalem.

Yeah, its whacko. My own biases may have screwed up what I heard.

Actually, the fundies believe God's also going to destroy the Jews because they deny the divinity of Christ.

The fundies don't actually care about the people of Israel. They just want to make sure the Jeebus Runway is left intact.

Daveism		2012-09-17 09:04:50 AM

Silly Jesus: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

There IS something to be said for having such an ally in that area of the world.

An ally? They're like a little brother that starts fights that you have to constantly rescue them from- they're the little bullies in the neighborhood. And, yes, I DO realize they're not the only ones. But Israel is FAR from an ally.

Parthenogenetic		2012-09-17 09:05:14 AM

xanadian: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

Because it's nice to have a staunch ally in a region that generally detests us. The whole Christian-ized "holy land" thing is just a cover for a more realistic strategic approach.

What if the denizens of that region generally detest us because of our support of said staunch ally?

o_O

Dinobot		2012-09-17 09:05:34 AM

Elfich: The "reasoning" I have heard (and you can take the term "reasoning" loosely) is as such:

Isreal occupies Jerusalem. When the second coming/rapture/megajesus comes down and starts obliterating the unclean; Jerusalem/Isrealies/SuperFundies will be spared. So the fundies in government are trying to: stay on the good side/manipulate/coddle the country that holds Jerusalem.

Yeah, its whacko. My own biases may have screwed up what I heard.

I've heard almost the same line of reasoning, but with a twist, from my crazy uncle, who is a sbc pastor,... attack iran to trigger the 2nd coming of jesus

Daveism		2012-09-17 09:08:58 AM

stoli n coke: drunken frat boy

I like your analogy better than mine.

HMS_Blinkin		2012-09-17 09:09:48 AM

Gwyrddu: He's got to know that Obama is very likely to win with or without his statements. Does he think Obama will be any more well disposed to work with Israel after pulling this sort of shiat?

That's the part I don't understand. He's just asking for more unfavorable treatment in the next Obama administration than he would have gotten without his interference. And if he doesn't interfere and Romney wins, it's not like the GOP chickenhawks will suddenly dislike the idea of fighting stupid wars in the Middle East. Netanyahu's best play here was to do nothing and hope for a Romney win, but don't piss off Obama, the guy who will most likely win.

Grungehamster		2012-09-17 09:09:58 AM

So, we've been hearing for forever that Iran is 2 years away from being able to make a nuclear weapon. In fact, that very same statement was made 2 months ago about Iran's nuclear capabilities. Now Netanyahu is saying that Iran is mere months away from having nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, there hasn't been any significant new coming out of Iran beyond them literally banning the use of the word "dollar" to try to prevent discussion about how sanctions have completely destroyed the exchange rate of the rial.

What happened since July that has moved production into lightspeed like he is claiming? Or has anyone bothered to ask how many months away they are? 24 maybe?

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist		2012-09-17 09:10:17 AM

That article didn't really do the interview justice. I watched it yesterday and it was much more uncomfortable than it's made out to be. David Gregory asks Netanyahu whether or not Israel has been "thrown under the bus" by the Obama administration. He dodges the question and says that he's not going to get involved in election season politics. Gregory then presses him again, to the effect of "This is very important. Some people in the United States are going to see your silence as a tacit approval of Romney's statements. So once again, has the Obama administration thrown Israel under the bus?"

That's when the "There's no bus" line happens. It was a simple yes or no answer, and a pretty easy one in any case: "No, while we've had our disagreements about policy, the Obama administration is dedicated to its alliance with Israel, yadda yadda." Standard boilerplate response for international diplomacy. That he so obviously squirmed away from that question was evidence enough on its own for who he wants to see win the election.

HotIgneous Intruder		2012-09-17 09:10:32 AM

Netanyahu is a post-traumatic a-hole.

Here Comes Everybody		2012-09-17 09:11:32 AM

blastoh: This whole conflict between Israel and the Middle east has run its course, and it is time to do something about it.

We need to finally fix this problem.
We need a solution.

I don't want to muck around with a whole bunch of different solutions. We need a solution that's final.

/obligingly completing the straight line

rubi_con_man		2012-09-17 09:11:35 AM

Bibi is an extremist scumbag.

And if you want the opposite end of the political spectrum from our electoral college process, just look at Israel's Proportional representation system. No matter how many reasonable people you can get on your side, there's always 30% of the electorate who want crazy crap.

Israel needs to annex all the 'occupied areas' and draft all the 17-to-30 year old 'palestinians' into their army. After three years of being well-paid and well-fed, I am sure most of the benefits of being citizens and total mobility will work out well for everyone ... like ... right after the elections.

/yes you won the war. That means you take in the displaced.

HotWingConspiracy		2012-09-17 09:12:02 AM

Dinobot: Elfich: The "reasoning" I have heard (and you can take the term "reasoning" loosely) is as such:

Isreal occupies Jerusalem. When the second coming/rapture/megajesus comes down and starts obliterating the unclean; Jerusalem/Isrealies/SuperFundies will be spared. So the fundies in government are trying to: stay on the good side/manipulate/coddle the country that holds Jerusalem.

Yeah, its whacko. My own biases may have screwed up what I heard.

I've heard almost the same line of reasoning, but with a twist, from my crazy uncle, who is a sbc pastor,... attack iran to trigger the 2nd coming of jesus

I'm sure that an all-powerful god is just sitting around waiting for mortals to start a war in order to make his return. It's in his appearance rider, right under where he demands red and green M&M's in his dressing room because he really likes Christmas.

Tarl3k		2012-09-17 09:13:16 AM

HotWingConspiracy		2012-09-17 09:14:35 AM

Grungehamster: So, we've been hearing for forever that Iran is 2 years away from being able to make a nuclear weapon. In fact, that very same statement was made 2 months ago about Iran's nuclear capabilities. Now Netanyahu is saying that Iran is mere months away from having nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, there hasn't been any significant new coming out of Iran beyond them literally banning the use of the word "dollar" to try to prevent discussion about how sanctions have completely destroyed the exchange rate of the rial.

What happened since July that has moved production into lightspeed like he is claiming? Or has anyone bothered to ask how many months away they are? 24 maybe?

Netanyahu said that "in six months or so they'll be 90 percent of the way there,"

I'll give him some credit, I figured he'd say they'll have a bomb on November 5th.

Silly Jesus		2012-09-17 09:16:46 AM

Cythraul: Silly Jesus: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

There IS something to be said for having such an ally in that area of the world.

xanadian: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

Because it's nice to have a staunch ally in a region that generally detests us. The whole Christian-ized "holy land" thing is just a cover for a more realistic strategic approach.

Can I get some specifics on the benefits of having an 'ally' in that region? And do those benefits outweigh the negatives, such as the rest of that cultural region having utter contempt for us for being involved with that ally?

Not sure. It seems somewhat logical that it's a good thing to have an ally in the middle of the cesspool that is the Middle East. I don't know if the good outweighs the bad though...that's a valid question.

StoneColdAtheist		2012-09-17 09:17:40 AM

Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

If the USG was unconditionally and eternally supporting Bibi's demands we would already have attacked Iran. Instead, President Obama told Bibi to stfu and gbtw.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

Grungehamster		2012-09-17 09:18:24 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Gwyrddu: He's got to know that Obama is very likely to win with or without his statements. Does he think Obama will be any more well disposed to work with Israel after pulling this sort of shiat?

That's the part I don't understand. He's just asking for more unfavorable treatment in the next Obama administration than he would have gotten without his interference. And if he doesn't interfere and Romney wins, it's not like the GOP chickenhawks will suddenly dislike the idea of fighting stupid wars in the Middle East. Netanyahu's best play here was to do nothing and hope for a Romney win, but don't piss off Obama, the guy who will most likely win.

He's saying that the Salafist Sunnis in Libya are actually working for the shiate theocracy in Tehran (meaning the death of Ambassador Stevens was a political assassination arranged by the leadership of another country). Meanwhile, they have sped up their nuclear capabilities to the point that if we wait for November it may already be too late.

The idea isn't to get Obama to behave more in line next term. It is pressure to get him to attack or back an attack before the election to protect himself from foreign policy criticism.

Silly Jesus		2012-09-17 09:19:40 AM

Daveism: Silly Jesus: Cythraul: Why do we have to unconditionally and eternally support Israel again?

There IS something to be said for having such an ally in that area of the world.

An ally? They're like a little brother that starts fights that you have to constantly rescue them from- they're the little bullies in the neighborhood. And, yes, I DO realize they're not the only ones. But Israel is FAR from an ally.

I meant more in the sense that it could serve as a base of operations for our military and that it's the one place in that region that isn't part of the anti-American nonsense that boils over with increasing frequency.

Frontspac		2012-09-17 09:20:17 AM

Put me down as another person who's been consistently baffled as to why Isreal gets such a free pass in politics and the media. Everyone is just dead afraid of coming right out and calling them on their (massive quantities of) bullshiat.

I mean, what is it they have exactly that all the western countries need so bad? Are they an important port city?

Or are a lot of people still really attatched to the idea that Isreal and Judaism are intertwined to the point where not supporting Isreal is Anti-Semitism?

Or do the Zionists just have enough money to buy off every Western government and make sure no one in the media on multiple continents takes to critical a look?