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2012-09-17 06:37:48 AM
There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.
 
2012-09-17 06:41:35 AM
Oh look, it's this story again.
 
2012-09-17 06:44:57 AM
Test is dead? Damn.
 
2012-09-17 06:47:22 AM
Never heard about Bam Bam saving three kids from a burning house. That's freaking incredible.
 
2012-09-17 06:51:10 AM
Wow, when I was a kid I went through a wrestling phase, and now most of those guys are apparently dead of ODs and Heart Attacks....
 
2012-09-17 06:52:56 AM
Eddie died on my birthday.

When the Benoit thing happened two years later, I stopped watching.
 
2012-09-17 06:56:10 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: Wow, when I was a kid I went through a wrestling phase, and now most of those guys are apparently dead of ODs and Heart Attacks....


It's what happens when Vince and Linda makes them pump on steroids and HGH. Also, the brain injuries they suffer make them loony. Like Chris Benoit, who killed his entire family and then himself because of the mental problems resulting from repeated head injuries.
 
2012-09-17 07:18:44 AM
This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,
 
2012-09-17 07:21:53 AM
Did the mix of kayfabe and real names bother anyone else? Seemed weirdly inconsistent to me.
 
2012-09-17 07:23:28 AM

wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,


#2 sounds like an excellent booking line
 
2012-09-17 07:28:05 AM

mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.


He didn't die. He went to Skyrim.
 
2012-09-17 08:03:03 AM

wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,


The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.

That said, there were probably 5 people on that list that shouldn't be grouped with the others. Giant GOnzales and Andre were going to die young because of gigantism. They have medicine for that these days that they didn't have back then.
 
2012-09-17 08:06:55 AM

wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,


Yes, I too hated the way they said nobody else died young and it's all Vince's fault. Oh, wait: absolutely nobody said that. You just made that up so that you could avoid engaging with disturbing facts.

If only there were some objective way to look at the topic. Like whether wrestlers have a higher mortality than other professions and an exceptionally high rate of death in middle age. Or whether they are abusing painkillers, steroids, HGH and other substances more than other people. Or whether the job and the lifestyle contribute to problems such as obesity, exhaustion, or brain damage.

Nah, that would require some reflection. So let's just dismiss the whole article with a ludicrous extremist strawman argument, because it conflicts with our fantasy life.
 
2012-09-17 08:13:47 AM
A) I'm surprised this didn't start out with "In honor of the King's heart attack...."
B) What is Fox doing running an anti-Republican story in an election year? Do they hate the troops that love John Cena?
 
2012-09-17 08:15:45 AM

Count_0: mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.

He didn't die. He went to Skyrim.


That's hilarious... I didn't expect to laugh that much.
 
2012-09-17 08:16:08 AM

czetie:
Yes, I too hated the way they said nobody else died young and it's all Vince's fault. Oh, wait: absolutely nobody said that. You just made that up so that you could avoid engaging with disturbing facts.

Sure they did

RexTalionis:
It's what happens when Vince and Linda makes them pump on steroids and HGH. Also, the brain injuries they suffer make them loony. Like Chris Benoit, who killed his entire family and then himself because of the mental problems resulting from repeated head injuries.

See?

Orgasmatron138: Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel.

I know. but it says Junkyard Dog was assumed to have fallen asleep at the wheel.

 
2012-09-17 08:17:20 AM

Orgasmatron138: ...and Andre were going to die young because of gigantism. They have medicine for that these days that they didn't have back then.


The treatments they have today are certainly better, but there were medicines Andre could have taken that would have controlled his growth and possibly prolonged his life. He chose not to take them for deeply personal reasons that, I suspect, anybody whose identity isn't defined by being over 7ft tall, 500lbs, and world famous could never properly appreciate.

/Technically speaking I am the world's smallest giant, so I'm getting a kick, etc.
 
2012-09-17 08:18:59 AM
When he's not wearing his sunglasses, Randy Savage always looked like he was going to cry, like he hated his life but couldn't do anything else.
 
2012-09-17 08:23:33 AM

Snapper Carr: Did the mix of kayfabe and real names bother anyone else? Seemed weirdly inconsistent to me.


Definitely.

I also hate how they say "they won several championships". No, that shiat was written for you. You didn't win anything.
 
2012-09-17 08:28:43 AM

GavinTheAlmighty: I also hate how they say "they won several championships". No, that shiat was written for you. You didn't win anything.


Actors win awards. Why not wrestlers? Both parts were written for them.
 
2012-09-17 08:29:13 AM
Holy fark, wrestlers should never drive.
 
2012-09-17 08:30:47 AM

czetie: Orgasmatron138: ...and Andre were going to die young because of gigantism. They have medicine for that these days that they didn't have back then.

The treatments they have today are certainly better, but there were medicines Andre could have taken that would have controlled his growth and possibly prolonged his life. He chose not to take them for deeply personal reasons that, I suspect, anybody whose identity isn't defined by being over 7ft tall, 500lbs, and world famous could never properly appreciate.

/Technically speaking I am the world's smallest giant, so I'm getting a kick, etc.


Plus, the fact that he was a legendary drinker probably didn't help matters.
 
2012-09-17 08:30:53 AM

Flappyhead: Never heard about Bam Bam saving three kids from a burning house. That's freaking incredible.


I could be wrong, but I swear I heard that whole story wasn't true.

And I had no idea Giant Gonzales, Bam Bam Bigelow and Hercules Hernandez were gone. How depressing.
 
2012-09-17 08:32:31 AM

Snapper Carr: Did the mix of kayfabe and real names bother anyone else? Seemed weirdly inconsistent to me.


No - I had to think for a moment to remember that Mike Lockwood was Crash Holly and Edward Fatu was Umaga (who is ANOTHER one I didn't realize was dead).
 
2012-09-17 08:40:38 AM

mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.


Really? Aside from Benoit, Macho Man's death was the most publicized wrestling death I can remember. It was real news.
 
2012-09-17 08:41:46 AM

Great_Milenko: mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.

Really? Aside from Benoit, Macho Man's death was the most publicized wrestling death I can remember. It was real news.


Hart got some decent coverage.
 
2012-09-17 08:59:53 AM

Orgasmatron138: wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,

The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.


I truly believe Vince does love the business of pro wrestling, but in his mind 'the business' consists
entirely of his company. That warps his perceptions.

I often wonder how much different the WWE would look if Vince's father had actually let him compete
as a working wrestler in his younger days. I wonder if he wouldn't treat his guys better, and not as
disposable commodities.
 
2012-09-17 09:06:11 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Orgasmatron138: wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,

The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.

I truly believe Vince does love the business of pro wrestling, but in his mind 'the business' consists
entirely of his company. That warps his perceptions.

I often wonder how much different the WWE would look if Vince's father had actually let him compete
as a working wrestler in his younger days. I wonder if he wouldn't treat his guys better, and not as
disposable commodities.


I'd say that they have come a long ways in this generation. Little to no roids better screening and treatment (wellness program) etc.
 
2012-09-17 09:11:02 AM

wippit: Actors win awards. Why not wrestlers? Both parts were written for them.


I guess when you put it that way, it does make sense.
 
2012-09-17 09:14:29 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Orgasmatron138: wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,

The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.

I truly believe Vince does love the business of pro wrestling, but in his mind 'the business' consists
entirely of his company. That warps his perceptions.

I often wonder how much different the WWE would look if Vince's father had actually let him compete
as a working wrestler in his younger days. I wonder if he wouldn't treat his guys better, and not as
disposable commodities.


Heres the rub...

Has vince ever given the people drugs and said HERE TAKE THIS OR YOU'RE FIRED. I'm sure in all likelihood, no.
But since the early 80's, everyone has gotten used to 90% of wrestlers being just jacked like crazy. Very few actually make it in the business, and incrementally smaller is the amount of people who make it in the business without being jacked. You can be a mediocre wrestler, but if you come in with that look they will be more interested than if you don't.

If some guy, if being there is his dream, or he's already there and wants to maintain his build despite the constant travel (anyone who has traveled for any length of time knows just how difficult it is to stay in shape when you're flying/changing time zones/eating at odd hours), then its pretty much a given you will struggle and have to take things to keep your physique up. now punk/bryan, I would be shocked if they take anything because thats part of their gimmick/lifestyle and what makes them unique. Then again, nothing is really shocking any more, so who knows.

Either way, its impossible to not look at the business objectively, and see the amount of very obviously enhanced bodies through the years, and know that wether or not guys are implicitly told to take them, they will be taken to get ahead. Coupled with the taxing performances they put on 2-3 times a week, exhaustion, and travel, there really is nothing surprising that guys have to take a combo of steroids, pain killers, and depressants to make it through the week.

the wellness program, IMO, is a ruse simply used to punish guys who do something to really piss off management.
 
2012-09-17 09:24:01 AM
I'll always remember Cap'n Lou Albano from the Super Mario Brothers Super Show, and you can't tell me any different.
 
2012-09-17 09:24:06 AM
 
2012-09-17 09:26:59 AM
TEST died? Holy crap where have I been? I don't watch wrestling anymore but I do peek at the websites from time to time, and I'm surprised I missed that one. I remember seeing him at a live event dark match a few years ago when he was attempting his comeback to WWE.
 
2012-09-17 10:17:02 AM

GavinTheAlmighty: Definitely


Thank you so much for spelling that word correctly.

/defiantly
//definatly
 
2012-09-17 10:18:16 AM

mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.


Macho Man saved us all from the Rapture.

scotteriology.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-17 10:30:01 AM
"...23 professional wrestlers that (sic) died too young..."

First slide: Lou Albano, 1933-2009

Maybe it's just me, but 76 years old doesn't sound too young for death.

/grew up in a rough neighborhood, apparently
 
2012-09-17 10:42:45 AM
Put me down as another that didn't know Test was dead. Wow.
 
2012-09-17 10:44:00 AM
I am shocked no one has said "WWE WELLNESS POLICY!"

I also always chuckle when people say John Cena is clean.
 
2012-09-17 10:50:44 AM

star_topology: TEST died? Holy crap where have I been? I don't watch wrestling anymore but I do peek at the websites from time to time, and I'm surprised I missed that one. I remember seeing him at a live event dark match a few years ago when he was attempting his comeback to WWE.


Yes, sadly Test died back in 2008 I believe. That one hurt because I actually knew him through a friend. I had been to his house a few times and played paintball with him once. He had his belts hanging on the wall of his office. He got us Raw tickets when they came to Tampa as well. I've said it in these threads before, eventhough he was a solid midcarder he will always be known as the guy that had to job to HHH in the stephanie wedding angle.
 
2012-09-17 11:23:16 AM
When you see how crippled and depressed some of these wrestlers get when they hit their sixties, you wonder if the ones that died young were the lucky ones.
 
2012-09-17 11:24:05 AM
Now let's make a list of musicians and actors who have died young, mostly due to drug abuse. Odd how famous people who live life hard and fast tend to die young.

If there's a huge inquiry into steroid use/abuse in wrestling and sports, shouldn't there be a bigger inquiry in the general entertainment business too? Do you really think Ryan Reynolds, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans et. al. all got ridiculous jacked by eating lots of chicken breasts and working out 5 hours a day?

Newsflash: You can't work out that much and gain muscle without the aid of some form of anabolic steroid. The human body doesn't react that way.
 
2012-09-17 11:28:39 AM

phedex: Has vince ever given the people drugs and said HERE TAKE THIS OR YOU'RE FIRED. I'm sure in all likelihood, no.


I'm hoping either Poe is at work, you're very young, or have memory issues; because this is apparently EXACTLY what happened back in the late 80s and early 90s, almost leading to the downfall of Vince and Terry(Hogan)in particular, and the trail that resulted definatley harmed Roddy Piper's career. I don't think there's any record stating Vince said "take them, or you're fired", but the implications(including the drugs mailed to his office, fedexed to hotels, etc in his name, might be a clue)are there.

Still, in the 1993 trial, a weepy Terry "Hulk" Hogan claimed that, even though the drugs came to the WWF through MacMahon most of the time, that Vinny didn't push it on them, and that it was a personal choice.... for 13 years.

So sure. He didn't "say" "take them or you're fired". It was just that... if you didn't take them, you weren't competative/looked the part.... and were benched/fired.

/jus' sayin'.
 
2012-09-17 11:31:04 AM
I had no idea that Test, Bossman, or rick Rude were dead. :(
 
2012-09-17 11:32:26 AM

UNC_Samurai: Deslided, for those of you who are tired of this crap.


Thank you, sir.
 
2012-09-17 11:32:39 AM

Snapper Carr: When the Benoit thing happened two years later, I stopped watching.


Same here, though I have to admit I was losing interest long before then.
 
2012-09-17 11:33:13 AM

Big Beef Burrito: UNC_Samurai: Deslided, for those of you who are tired of this crap.

Thank you, sir.


....you son of a biatch.
 
2012-09-17 11:33:38 AM
fark I hate the new preview/post system.

remove the EXACTLY(cause it wasn't, and i'm on medication... so uh, yeah)

and I spelled McMahon wrong.

The rest is right. The entire steriod scandal back in the early 90s really did almost take Vince and his business out; infact, iirc, it was one of the things that led to Linda being made president of WWF in '93(because Vince was under indictment)

/going to go back to being sick now
//fark i hate being sick
///medication works nicely, though
 
2012-09-17 11:33:51 AM

machoprogrammer: I am shocked no one has said "WWE WELLNESS POLICY!"

I also always chuckle when people say John Cena is clean.


To be honest, I don't think anyone can say for sure that any of those guys are 100% clean, and the same can be said for most pro sports today.

That said though, if Cena is doping somehow, he hasn't shown any tell-tale signs of it (i.e-small head, insanely popped veins, etc). Sure, he's bigger now than he was before, but it doesn't look that weird. Eddie changed so much, you knew he was doping.
 
2012-09-17 11:34:46 AM

wantedbadass: Now let's make a list of musicians and actors who have died young, mostly due to drug abuse. Odd how famous people who live life hard and fast tend to die young.

If there's a huge inquiry into steroid use/abuse in wrestling and sports, shouldn't there be a bigger inquiry in the general entertainment business too? Do you really think Ryan Reynolds, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans et. al. all got ridiculous jacked by eating lots of chicken breasts and working out 5 hours a day?

Newsflash: You can't work out that much and gain muscle without the aid of some form of anabolic steroid. The human body doesn't react that way.


This. When a guy says "I worked out X hours a day!", where X is >2, that means steroids. The human body can only do so much training before overtraining occurs. Overtraining hinders muscle development since the body cannot recover.
 
2012-09-17 11:47:56 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: machoprogrammer: I am shocked no one has said "WWE WELLNESS POLICY!"

I also always chuckle when people say John Cena is clean.

To be honest, I don't think anyone can say for sure that any of those guys are 100% clean, and the same can be said for most pro sports today.

That said though, if Cena is doping somehow, he hasn't shown any tell-tale signs of it (i.e-small head, insanely popped veins, etc). Sure, he's bigger now than he was before, but it doesn't look that weird. Eddie changed so much, you knew he was doping.


Eh, Cena has the signature HGH jaw and forehead along with freakishly large hands, which is another sign.

He was a bodybuilder before becoming a wrestler, so he was likely juicing then as well, which makes it less obvious. He also has gotten a decent amount bigger over the years.

His brother also said he lifts weights 3 hours a day, which is a sign of steroids (if you work out 3 hours a day without the juice, you will get injured pretty quickly).
 
2012-09-17 12:04:42 PM

BlackCat23: phedex: Has vince ever given the people drugs and said HERE TAKE THIS OR YOU'RE FIRED. I'm sure in all likelihood, no.

I'm hoping either Poe is at work, you're very young, or have memory issues; because this is apparently EXACTLY what happened back in the late 80s and early 90s, almost leading to the downfall of Vince and Terry(Hogan)in particular, and the trail that resulted definatley harmed Roddy Piper's career. I don't think there's any record stating Vince said "take them, or you're fired", but the implications(including the drugs mailed to his office, fedexed to hotels, etc in his name, might be a clue)are there.

Still, in the 1993 trial, a weepy Terry "Hulk" Hogan claimed that, even though the drugs came to the WWF through MacMahon most of the time, that Vinny didn't push it on them, and that it was a personal choice.... for 13 years.

So sure. He didn't "say" "take them or you're fired". It was just that... if you didn't take them, you weren't competative/looked the part.... and were benched/fired.

/jus' sayin'.


Hogan was gassed up on steroids for years BEFORE he came to the WWF.


machoprogrammer: Grand_Moff_Joseph: machoprogrammer: I am shocked no one has said "WWE WELLNESS POLICY!"

I also always chuckle when people say John Cena is clean.

To be honest, I don't think anyone can say for sure that any of those guys are 100% clean, and the same can be said for most pro sports today.

That said though, if Cena is doping somehow, he hasn't shown any tell-tale signs of it (i.e-small head, insanely popped veins, etc). Sure, he's bigger now than he was before, but it doesn't look that weird. Eddie changed so much, you knew he was doping.

Eh, Cena has the signature HGH jaw and forehead along with freakishly large hands, which is another sign.

He was a bodybuilder before becoming a wrestler, so he was likely juicing then as well, which makes it less obvious. He also has gotten a decent amount bigger over the years.

His brother also said he lifts weights 3 hours a day, which is a sign of steroids (if you work out 3 hours a day without the juice, you will get injured pretty quickly).


Cena doesn't have enough time to lift for 3 hours a day. If you want to see an obviously roided Cena, look up his OVW footage as the Prototype.
 
2012-09-17 12:10:42 PM

RevMercutio: Hogan was gassed up on steroids for years BEFORE he came to the WWF.


Didn't argue otherwise, but check out what happened in 91 and 93. He, Piper, and Vince stood to lose the most from these cases, as the fed pulled the FedEx delivery rosters; and three names showed up the most. The point was that, for the 13 years he was already with the WWF, he had been juicing, and likely at the behest of Vince and Co. Doesn't mean he wasn't doing so before hand, just making the point that when people say the company didn't push it on the players, well, that's bullshiat.

/Vince was actually acquitted due to Terry's testimony in '93.
//terrible ruling, honestly; as the evidence was pretty solid(needles in his office, stuff sent to the Towers in his name, as well as hotels, etc; from their pill-mill doctor, yadda yadda
///but yes indeedy, anyone at the WWF level was probably juicing long before hand just to get there in the first place.
 
2012-09-17 12:13:44 PM

RevMercutio: Cena doesn't have enough time to lift for 3 hours a day. If you want to see an obviously roided Cena, look up his OVW footage as the Prototype.


He is just leaner then, but yeah, was likely on roids then. His brother said in an interview that Cena used to lift for 3 hours a day.

No way you can get that physique naturally (either current or during his Prototype days), especially when you are on the road 300 days of the year.
 
2012-09-17 12:17:39 PM

machoprogrammer: RevMercutio: Cena doesn't have enough time to lift for 3 hours a day. If you want to see an obviously roided Cena, look up his OVW footage as the Prototype.

He is just leaner then, but yeah, was likely on roids then. His brother said in an interview that Cena used to lift for 3 hours a day.

No way you can get that physique naturally (either current or during his Prototype days), especially when you are on the road 300 days of the year.


the only drugs John Cena is on are:

-Hustle
-Loyalty
-Respect

Why do you hate the troops? The kids? America? And the mommies with the cancer?
 
2012-09-17 12:38:32 PM

Count_0: mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.

He didn't die. He went to Skyrim.


holy shiat, I'm dying over here
 
2012-09-17 12:39:30 PM
representative of the unwashed masses

don't forget the fatties that Cena loves.
 
2012-09-17 01:10:36 PM

WSUCanuck: representative of the unwashed masses

don't forget the fatties that Cena loves.


U CAN'T C HIM, HE'S ROLLING IN FLOWER.
 
2012-09-17 01:11:07 PM

Big Beef Burrito: Big Beef Burrito: UNC_Samurai: Deslided, for those of you who are tired of this crap.

Thank you, sir.

....you son of a biatch.


I screwed up and pasted the wrong link. Sorry.

It's the least I could do
 
2012-09-17 01:15:50 PM
Is jake the snake still alive? He was my favorite
 
2012-09-17 01:17:05 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: I'd say that they have come a long ways in this generation. Little to no roids better screening and treatment (wellness program) etc.


If you think there's no gas in wrestling anymore, you're insane.

wippit: GavinTheAlmighty: I also hate how they say "they won several championships". No, that shiat was written for you. You didn't win anything.

Actors win awards. Why not wrestlers? Both parts were written for them.


Old old argument in wrestling: is a title a prop, or a recognition of your success? in my mind, it can be both. When Joanie "Chyna" Laurie won the IC strap it was a prop. She didn't deserve it. When Eddie Guerrero won the World Title, it was a prop, yes, but also a recognition of his success, a statement that they thought he could bring money into the company as the champion.
 
2012-09-17 01:18:57 PM

ltdanman44: Is jake the snake still alive? He was my favorite


Oddly enough, Jake the Snake is still alive. He's been in rehab a few dozen times, but he's still kicking.
 
2012-09-17 01:22:25 PM

ltdanman44: Is jake the snake still alive? He was my favorite


Yes, but only because he has Keith Richards-grade drug immunity.
 
2012-09-17 01:32:28 PM

saintstryfe: Representative of the unwashed masses: I'd say that they have come a long ways in this generation. Little to no roids better screening and treatment (wellness program) etc.

If you think there's no gas in wrestling anymore, you're insane.

wippit: GavinTheAlmighty: I also hate how they say "they won several championships". No, that shiat was written for you. You didn't win anything.

Actors win awards. Why not wrestlers? Both parts were written for them.

Old old argument in wrestling: is a title a prop, or a recognition of your success? in my mind, it can be both. When Joanie "Chyna" Laurie won the IC strap it was a prop. She didn't deserve it. When Eddie Guerrero won the World Title, it was a prop, yes, but also a recognition of his success, a statement that they thought he could bring money into the company as the champion.


I have no doubt that most of the guys use something. But I'd compare guys like Punk, Bryan, etc. etc. to some of the walking poofy muscle heads that were out there before and say they don't have the same types of issues.
 
2012-09-17 01:35:11 PM

wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,


Cancer? Yep. it's a not-uncommon side effect of many steriods and the use of HGH. One of the reasons many 'In the Know" about steriods side effects always suspected Lance Armstrong's cancer was too virulent and too advanced to be entirely natural.

Same with Massiv eobesity, often happens when you stop taking 'roid and your body can't natutrally produce enough testosterone to counter-act the estrogen you produce.
 
2012-09-17 01:36:36 PM

UNC_Samurai: Big Beef Burrito: Big Beef Burrito: UNC_Samurai: Deslided, for those of you who are tired of this crap.

Thank you, sir.

....you son of a biatch.

I screwed up and pasted the wrong link. Sorry.

It's the least I could do


Lol, thanks. I thought it was some new kind of rickroll.
 
2012-09-17 01:41:34 PM
23 died too young? Just another day in Chicago.
 
2012-09-17 01:41:46 PM

Magorn: Same with Massiv eobesity, often happens when you stop taking 'roid and your body can't natutrally produce enough testosterone to counter-act the estrogen you produce.


This is true. But the guys who was massively obese were never muscle heads at all. They were big in wrestling because they were massively obese. While that doesn't exclude the possibility that they were also taking steroids, I sincerely doubt their weight was due to coming off of steroids.

It should also be noted that many athletes tend to become obese after retiring or ceasing competition. This is because their appetites have grown to satisfy the training and muscle sustenance. Once they finish competing, they don't train as hard yet they tend to keep a similar eating schedule, resulting in massive weight gain. Steroids or not, the same amount of food and less activity means you're going to get fat.
 
2012-09-17 01:46:48 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: I'd say that they have come a long ways in this generation. Little to no roids better screening and treatment (wellness program) etc.


They went from no roid screening to litlte roid screening and occaisonally "catching" guys (then "suspending" them) to show they really mean business.

I guarantee that pain killers, cocaine and steroids are nearly as common as they were in the industry 30 years ago.

Although there are probably more fat chicks nowadays due to Cena's love of them
 
2012-09-17 01:48:20 PM

phedex: DjangoStonereaver: Orgasmatron138: wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,

The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.

I truly believe Vince does love the business of pro wrestling, but in his mind 'the business' consists
entirely of his company. That warps his perceptions.

I often wonder how much different the WWE would look if Vince's father had actually let him compete
as a working wrestler in his younger days. I wonder if he wouldn't treat his guys better, and not as
disposable commodities.

Heres the rub...

Has vince ever given the people drugs and said HERE TAKE THIS OR YOU'RE FIRED. I'm sure in all likelihood, no.
But since the early 80's, everyone has gotten used to 90% of wrestlers being just jacked like crazy. Very few actually make it in the business, and incrementally smaller is the amount of people who make it in the business without being jacked. You can be a mediocre wrestler, but if you come in with that look they will be more interested than if you don't.

If some guy, if being there is his dream, or he's already there and wants to maintain his build despite the constant travel (anyone who has traveled for any length of time knows just how difficult it is to stay in shape when you're flying/changing time zones/eating at odd hours), then its pretty much a given you will struggle and have to take things to keep your physique up. now punk/bryan, I would be shocked if they take anything because thats part of their gimmick/lifestyle and what makes them unique. Then again, not ...


Randy Orton is the best example of Vince not quite telling people to take the roids, but heavily implying it. Coming back from injury in i think 2008, Vince called him out on TV as looking puny. The moral of the story being that a healthy, natural looking body will get you crapped on by the boss, even while promoting a roid-free environment.
 
2012-09-17 01:50:51 PM

machoprogrammer: Representative of the unwashed masses: I'd say that they have come a long ways in this generation. Little to no roids better screening and treatment (wellness program) etc.

They went from no roid screening to litlte roid screening and occaisonally "catching" guys (then "suspending" them) to show they really mean business.

I guarantee that pain killers, cocaine and steroids are nearly as common as they were in the industry 30 years ago.

Although there are probably more fat chicks nowadays due to Cena's love of them


It takes a whole lotta woman to handle so much hustle, loyalty, and respect.
 
2012-09-17 01:51:04 PM
I know Bossman was dead... I never realized he was an actual ex-prison guard actually from Cobb County, Georgia. Talk about living the gimmick...
 
2012-09-17 01:52:15 PM

ltdanman44: Is jake the snake still alive? He was my favorite


Jake is alive, but he's constantly "Struggling with his personal demons" (drunk).
 
2012-09-17 02:01:07 PM

BlackCat23: phedex: Has vince ever given the people drugs and said HERE TAKE THIS OR YOU'RE FIRED. I'm sure in all likelihood, no.

I'm hoping either Poe is at work, you're very young, or have memory issues; because this is apparently EXACTLY what happened back in the late 80s and early 90s, almost leading to the downfall of Vince and Terry(Hogan)in particular, and the trail that resulted definatley harmed Roddy Piper's career. I don't think there's any record stating Vince said "take them, or you're fired", but the implications(including the drugs mailed to his office, fedexed to hotels, etc in his name, might be a clue)are there.

Still, in the 1993 trial, a weepy Terry "Hulk" Hogan claimed that, even though the drugs came to the WWF through MacMahon most of the time, that Vinny didn't push it on them, and that it was a personal choice.... for 13 years.

So sure. He didn't "say" "take them or you're fired". It was just that... if you didn't take them, you weren't competative/looked the part.... and were benched/fired.

/jus' sayin'.


homeboy i've been watching since I was 7 or 8 years old. I spent my time on the playground pretending I was marty jannetty, and my best friend was shawn michaels.... hell I had posters of jake and mr. perfect, went to WM, etc. whatever kind of loser I am, I'm definitely the kind that loves studying the history and watching the industry. Especially being that nearly everything about wrasslin evolves into "revisionist history" (i.e. andre weighed 700 pounds brother, broke my sternum body slamming him brother.)

Either way, like i said, I don't think that vince ever has held the drugs in his hand, put them out and said "take these", only that the implications of not taking them would likely mean you would have a very small role in the company due to looking like a normal person. I don't know all the details of the trials in the early 90's (I only knew that the ultimate warrior looked a lot smaller post WM6), but i know that the employees, vince, everyone was in the know about the drug issue. If there was a really detailed account somewhere of those trials I would certaninly love to read them.
 
2012-09-17 02:12:17 PM

ltdanman44: Is jake the snake still alive? He was my favorite


Favorite? The focused mind of a desperate man doesn't have time for favorites. It's not an eenie-meenie-miney-mo, catch a tiger by the toe kinda thing either... because anyone who's tried to catch a tiger by the toe ain't lived to tell about it. No, see, what we have here is pure, unadulterated instinct.

Dedicated.

Knowing.

Evolved.

To seek where the warm blood flows, and to spill it onto the mat. To cut off oxygen like Damien toying with his prey. To slither out of whatever holds you try. We'll both leave it all there in the ring tonight, my friend. But only one of us is walking out.
 
2012-09-17 02:12:44 PM
What people fail to realize about these guys is that, even with drugs aside, you're asked to maintain a ridiculous body size, ridiculous body fat %, AND be incredibly active.
 
2012-09-17 02:16:54 PM
John Tenta AKA Earthquake died of bladder cancer FFS. He shouldn't have been grouped with the others. Macho Man walked away from the biz and was happily married when a heart attack hit him while driving. Capt Lou Albino died at an old age. Junkyard dog died after falling asleep at the wheel. Big Boss Man had a heart attack. Andre the Giant and Giant Gonzalez died because they were freakishly oversized.

These people should not be grouped with the other drug users and steroid abusers. Good Job being Fair and Balanced Fox News.
 
2012-09-17 02:39:13 PM

akuma976: John Tenta AKA Earthquake died of bladder cancer FFS. He shouldn't have been grouped with the others. Macho Man walked away from the biz and was happily married when a heart attack hit him while driving. Capt Lou Albino died at an old age. Junkyard dog died after falling asleep at the wheel. Big Boss Man had a heart attack. Andre the Giant and Giant Gonzalez died because they were freakishly oversized.

These people should not be grouped with the other drug users and steroid abusers. Good Job being Fair and Balanced Fox News.


Macho Man and Bossman's heart attack was likely caused by steroids and the abuse they took over the years (i.e. pain killers). Agreed on Earthquake, Andre, Giant Gonzalez and Albino though
 
2012-09-17 02:42:49 PM
Did El Gigante have acromegaly like Andre, Big Show, and Khali, or was he just freakishly tall like Yao Ming?
 
2012-09-17 02:58:53 PM

The Loaf: mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.

Macho Man saved us all from the Rapture.

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And then he became one with the Force

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2012-09-17 03:12:37 PM

phedex: If there was a really detailed account somewhere of those trials I would certaninly love to read them.


There's a book called "Sex Lies and Headlocks" that you might be interested in. it does an excellent job of poking and prodding around the "behind the scenes" of the business aspects of things back in the day. The 90s steroid scandal is covered pretty well.

Outside of that, a lot of the trail stuff is public record. It's been tossed around like a hot potato for 2 decades, and I don't think we'll ever know things completely. But the fact is, Vince had his hands in the dirty. Deep. It's not a matter of opinion, they have records(prescriptions ordered, filled, shipped to him, etc((see FedEx documents in 91 indictment)). But no one has ever said he "forced them to".


/my brother is like you. it's the reason I know of the book, etc. Frankly, it's the only thing I ever found interested about wrestling in my entire life, but we all have our druthers.
//the politics of the business is enormously tied with my home state, so while I have no interest in the "sport", the workings are sort of interesting.
 
2012-09-17 03:21:29 PM
List fails with no Mike Awesome.

Also, all of these wrestlers are dead and Scott Hall is still alive. Even Scott Hall complains that's farked up.
 
2012-09-17 03:52:11 PM

BlackCat23: phedex: If there was a really detailed account somewhere of those trials I would certaninly love to read them.

There's a book called "Sex Lies and Headlocks" that you might be interested in. it does an excellent job of poking and prodding around the "behind the scenes" of the business aspects of things back in the day. The 90s steroid scandal is covered pretty well..


It also has a fair amount of bullshiat in it. Your best bet about the Titan trials is Dave Meltzer and the Wrestling Observer.

wippit: I know Bossman was dead... I never realized he was an actual ex-prison guard actually from Cobb County, Georgia. Talk about living the gimmick...


And now his former partner, The One Man Gang/Akeem is a prison guard.
 
2012-09-17 04:01:48 PM
All anyone has to know about just how dangerous it is to become a professional wrestler can be learned from the von Erichs.
 
2012-09-17 04:04:18 PM

Orgasmatron138: wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,

The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.

That said, there were probably 5 people on that list that shouldn't be grouped with the others. Giant GOnzales and Andre were going to die young because of gigantism. They have medicine for that these days that they didn't have back then.


More properly, they have medicine and effective surgery that they didn't have back then, and in the case of Andre the Giant he had a particularly severe case of acromegaly and giantism where he would have had to have treatment as a teenager.

Someone who could have gone down that road but was able to take advantage of modern treatement would be none other than Big Show (also has giantism and acromegaly, but did get medical treatment including pituitary surgery before it got to the severity of Andre's).
 
2012-09-17 04:11:41 PM

RevMercutio: BlackCat23: phedex: If there was a really detailed account somewhere of those trials I would certaninly love to read them.

There's a book called "Sex Lies and Headlocks" that you might be interested in. it does an excellent job of poking and prodding around the "behind the scenes" of the business aspects of things back in the day. The 90s steroid scandal is covered pretty well..

It also has a fair amount of bullshiat in it. Your best bet about the Titan trials is Dave Meltzer and the Wrestling Observer.

.


It was an interesting time. Vince pretty much had to let the WWF nearly die because of the steroid trials. His biggest draws had to go. Ultimate Warrior's release was partly due to the trials and still receiving steroids, Hulk Hogan visibly shrank in that era then left the company, and everyone Vince had left to push were smaller guys who were good workers, but didn't equal up to his giant steroid freak fetish.

There's also talk that if Vince was convicted and did a prison stretch, He would have ran the WWF from prison, like a mafia don, with Pat Patterson and Jerry Jarrett doing the day to day booking but still having to clear everything through Vince.
 
2012-09-17 04:25:08 PM

czetie: Orgasmatron138: ...and Andre were going to die young because of gigantism. They have medicine for that these days that they didn't have back then.

The treatments they have today are certainly better, but there were medicines Andre could have taken that would have controlled his growth and possibly prolonged his life. He chose not to take them for deeply personal reasons that, I suspect, anybody whose identity isn't defined by being over 7ft tall, 500lbs, and world famous could never properly appreciate.

/Technically speaking I am the world's smallest giant, so I'm getting a kick, etc.


Well...yes, and no....

At the time Andre the Giant was wrestling (and particularly when he started his wrestling career), there actually weren't the treatments we have now--the treatments for acromegaly even now are either surgery or radiation to the pituitary gland (almost all cases of acromegaly combined with giantism are due to adenomas of the pituitary gland that develop in childhood--in the case of Big Show, for instance, he was already well into puberty and well above the ADULT norms for height and weight by the time he was twelve).

When Andre the Giant was still around, somatostatin analogues were not yet in common use (hell, HGH was just in the beginnings of being approved for extreme dwarfism in children and octreolide was only approved in the early nineties for palliative treatment of VIPoma and carcinoid tumor of the gastrointestinal tract), growth hormone receptor agonists were unheard of, and surgery and radiation treatment of the pituitary gland was much riskier than it is nowadays (and also stood not just a good chance of ending Andre's career, but could have actually risked brain damage). Seeing the experimental stage of treatment for pituitary disorders up to the latest point of his life, I can see why he might refuse surgery--especially since the damage had already been done by the time he was in wrestling and would have been palliative at best.

For surgery to have been effective on him, he would have likely had to get surgery by the time he was in his twenties--seeing as he was born in 1946, this would have been around when he entered wrestling in 1970 or so, when the medical options we have now for treating acromegaly simply didn't exist. (In comparison, Big Show got his pituitary surgery when he was in his very early twenties, which is why he was nowhere near as severely affected--and even at that point, surgical treatment for acromegaly was just starting to get out of the "experimental and requiring lifelong supplementation of other pituitary hormones" stage.)
 
2012-09-17 04:37:52 PM

Great Porn Dragon: czetie: Orgasmatron138: ...and Andre were going to die young because of gigantism. They have medicine for that these days that they didn't have back then.

The treatments they have today are certainly better, but there were medicines Andre could have taken that would have controlled his growth and possibly prolonged his life. He chose not to take them for deeply personal reasons that, I suspect, anybody whose identity isn't defined by being over 7ft tall, 500lbs, and world famous could never properly appreciate.

/Technically speaking I am the world's smallest giant, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

Well...yes, and no....

At the time Andre the Giant was wrestling (and particularly when he started his wrestling career), there actually weren't the treatments we have now--the treatments for acromegaly even now are either surgery or radiation to the pituitary gland (almost all cases of acromegaly combined with giantism are due to adenomas of the pituitary gland that develop in childhood--in the case of Big Show, for instance, he was already well into puberty and well above the ADULT norms for height and weight by the time he was twelve).

When Andre the Giant was still around, somatostatin analogues were not yet in common use (hell, HGH was just in the beginnings of being approved for extreme dwarfism in children and octreolide was only approved in the early nineties for palliative treatment of VIPoma and carcinoid tumor of the gastrointestinal tract), growth hormone receptor agonists were unheard of, and surgery and radiation treatment of the pituitary gland was much riskier than it is nowadays (and also stood not just a good chance of ending Andre's career, but could have actually risked brain damage). Seeing the experimental stage of treatment for pituitary disorders up to the latest point of his life, I can see why he might refuse surgery--especially since the damage had already been done by the time he was in wrestling and would have been palliative at best.

For sur ...


Thank you.

I'd always wondered whether the medical procedures that helped out, for example, Big Show had been developed at the time they would have done Andre any good. No one ever provided a straight answer.

Andre just got the short end of the stick. He knew he was farked, and by all accounts lived like a man who knew he was going to die young. Although the fact that he wrestled about 5 years longer than he should have didn't help matters. After he came back from back surgery and filming The Princess Bride in late '86, he was in no condition to wrestle anymore. The whole reason he switched to the black singlet with the strap was to hide the back brace he needed to wear. But, he kept going until 1990, when he could no longer move without crutches.
 
2012-09-17 05:04:02 PM

Already Disturbed: ltdanman44: Is jake the snake still alive? He was my favorite

Favorite? The focused mind of a desperate man doesn't have time for favorites. It's not an eenie-meenie-miney-mo, catch a tiger by the toe kinda thing either... because anyone who's tried to catch a tiger by the toe ain't lived to tell about it. No, see, what we have here is pure, unadulterated instinct.

Dedicated.

Knowing.

Evolved.

To seek where the warm blood flows, and to spill it onto the mat. To cut off oxygen like Damien toying with his prey. To slither out of whatever holds you try. We'll both leave it all there in the ring tonight, my friend. But only one of us is walking out.


www.futuramics.info

this was pretty neat to watch. even tho it was like 7 years ago Link
 
2012-09-17 06:51:21 PM
If you haven't heard any of them, Andre the Giant's drinking stories are "Ripley's Believe it or Not"-kind of stuff.

Link
 
2012-09-17 06:52:42 PM

Krustofsky: If you haven't heard any of them, Andre the Giant's drinking stories are "Ripley's Believe it or Not"-kind of stuff.

Link


Let's not forget about the time he shiat on Bad News Brown in the ring.
 
2012-09-17 06:56:58 PM
Whar is Monday Night Raw thread!? WHAR!!??
 
2012-09-17 06:57:38 PM

lucasorvis: Whar is Monday Night Raw thread!? WHAR!!??


coming in the next 20 minutes or so.
 
2012-09-17 07:02:59 PM
DAMNIT, I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG! *breaks down crying*
 
2012-09-17 07:14:54 PM
McMahon never made anyone do anything. Nobody forced anyone to shoot steroids and get hit in the head with metal chairs.

These stories remind me of the fashion model outrage over how thin and androgynous they look. Dont like it? Dont do it.
 
2012-09-17 07:30:03 PM

o5iiawah: These stories remind me of the fashion model outrage over how thin and androgynous they look. Dont like it? Dont do it.


Meanwhile, Warren Sapp is somewhere complaining about slavery.
 
2012-09-17 10:16:06 PM
Which one is the memory hole reference?
 
2012-09-17 10:42:28 PM

Christian Bale: Which one is the memory hole reference?


Benoit, the kiddie strangler.
 
2012-09-18 02:07:23 AM
I didn't know that Test died, according to his wikipedia entry it was probably steroid-induced:

His death was ruled an accidental overdose of oxycodone.[23] It was later determined by forensic pathologist Dr. Bennet Omalu that Martin had severe chronic traumatic encephalopathy, an Alzheimer's-like form of brain damage that fellow pro wrestler Chris Benoit was found to be suffering from shortly before his death in 2007, caused by repeated concussions and subconcussive head injuries.

Didn't know he died, and I found out in this thread that Mike Awesome died. His match against Yoshihiro Tajiri from around 2000 was amazing.
 
2012-09-18 02:14:11 AM
this one with Mike Awesome vs Masato Tanaka was incredibly good as well.
 
2012-09-18 08:44:31 AM

lelio: I didn't know that Test died, according to his wikipedia entry it was probably steroid-induced:

His death was ruled an accidental overdose of oxycodone.[23] It was later determined by forensic pathologist Dr. Bennet Omalu that Martin had severe chronic traumatic encephalopathy, an Alzheimer's-like form of brain damage that fellow pro wrestler Chris Benoit was found to be suffering from shortly before his death in 2007, caused by repeated concussions and subconcussive head injuries.

Didn't know he died, and I found out in this thread that Mike Awesome died. His match against Yoshihiro Tajiri from around 2000 was amazing.


Actually, it says it is from concussions and head injuries, not steroids. They probably didn't help, though
 
2012-09-18 12:37:35 PM
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2012-09-18 03:58:20 PM
Way to know your demographic, Faux News.
 
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