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(Fox News)   Fox News has put together a slideshow of 23 professional wrestlers that died too young, and one that Vince McMahon has made disappear down the memory hole, especially in Linda's campaign years   (foxnews.com) divider line 102
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2012-09-17 06:37:48 AM  
There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.
 
2012-09-17 06:41:35 AM  
Oh look, it's this story again.
 
2012-09-17 06:44:57 AM  
Test is dead? Damn.
 
2012-09-17 06:47:22 AM  
Never heard about Bam Bam saving three kids from a burning house. That's freaking incredible.
 
2012-09-17 06:51:10 AM  
Wow, when I was a kid I went through a wrestling phase, and now most of those guys are apparently dead of ODs and Heart Attacks....
 
2012-09-17 06:52:56 AM  
Eddie died on my birthday.

When the Benoit thing happened two years later, I stopped watching.
 
2012-09-17 06:56:10 AM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Wow, when I was a kid I went through a wrestling phase, and now most of those guys are apparently dead of ODs and Heart Attacks....


It's what happens when Vince and Linda makes them pump on steroids and HGH. Also, the brain injuries they suffer make them loony. Like Chris Benoit, who killed his entire family and then himself because of the mental problems resulting from repeated head injuries.
 
2012-09-17 07:18:44 AM  
This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,
 
2012-09-17 07:21:53 AM  
Did the mix of kayfabe and real names bother anyone else? Seemed weirdly inconsistent to me.
 
2012-09-17 07:23:28 AM  

wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,


#2 sounds like an excellent booking line
 
2012-09-17 07:28:05 AM  

mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.


He didn't die. He went to Skyrim.
 
2012-09-17 08:03:03 AM  

wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,


The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.

That said, there were probably 5 people on that list that shouldn't be grouped with the others. Giant GOnzales and Andre were going to die young because of gigantism. They have medicine for that these days that they didn't have back then.
 
2012-09-17 08:06:55 AM  

wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,


Yes, I too hated the way they said nobody else died young and it's all Vince's fault. Oh, wait: absolutely nobody said that. You just made that up so that you could avoid engaging with disturbing facts.

If only there were some objective way to look at the topic. Like whether wrestlers have a higher mortality than other professions and an exceptionally high rate of death in middle age. Or whether they are abusing painkillers, steroids, HGH and other substances more than other people. Or whether the job and the lifestyle contribute to problems such as obesity, exhaustion, or brain damage.

Nah, that would require some reflection. So let's just dismiss the whole article with a ludicrous extremist strawman argument, because it conflicts with our fantasy life.
 
2012-09-17 08:13:47 AM  
A) I'm surprised this didn't start out with "In honor of the King's heart attack...."
B) What is Fox doing running an anti-Republican story in an election year? Do they hate the troops that love John Cena?
 
2012-09-17 08:15:45 AM  

Count_0: mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.

He didn't die. He went to Skyrim.


That's hilarious... I didn't expect to laugh that much.
 
2012-09-17 08:16:08 AM  

czetie:
Yes, I too hated the way they said nobody else died young and it's all Vince's fault. Oh, wait: absolutely nobody said that. You just made that up so that you could avoid engaging with disturbing facts.

Sure they did

RexTalionis:
It's what happens when Vince and Linda makes them pump on steroids and HGH. Also, the brain injuries they suffer make them loony. Like Chris Benoit, who killed his entire family and then himself because of the mental problems resulting from repeated head injuries.

See?

Orgasmatron138: Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel.

I know. but it says Junkyard Dog was assumed to have fallen asleep at the wheel.

 
2012-09-17 08:17:20 AM  

Orgasmatron138: ...and Andre were going to die young because of gigantism. They have medicine for that these days that they didn't have back then.


The treatments they have today are certainly better, but there were medicines Andre could have taken that would have controlled his growth and possibly prolonged his life. He chose not to take them for deeply personal reasons that, I suspect, anybody whose identity isn't defined by being over 7ft tall, 500lbs, and world famous could never properly appreciate.

/Technically speaking I am the world's smallest giant, so I'm getting a kick, etc.
 
2012-09-17 08:18:59 AM  
When he's not wearing his sunglasses, Randy Savage always looked like he was going to cry, like he hated his life but couldn't do anything else.
 
2012-09-17 08:23:33 AM  

Snapper Carr: Did the mix of kayfabe and real names bother anyone else? Seemed weirdly inconsistent to me.


Definitely.

I also hate how they say "they won several championships". No, that shiat was written for you. You didn't win anything.
 
2012-09-17 08:28:43 AM  

GavinTheAlmighty: I also hate how they say "they won several championships". No, that shiat was written for you. You didn't win anything.


Actors win awards. Why not wrestlers? Both parts were written for them.
 
2012-09-17 08:29:13 AM  
Holy fark, wrestlers should never drive.
 
2012-09-17 08:30:47 AM  

czetie: Orgasmatron138: ...and Andre were going to die young because of gigantism. They have medicine for that these days that they didn't have back then.

The treatments they have today are certainly better, but there were medicines Andre could have taken that would have controlled his growth and possibly prolonged his life. He chose not to take them for deeply personal reasons that, I suspect, anybody whose identity isn't defined by being over 7ft tall, 500lbs, and world famous could never properly appreciate.

/Technically speaking I am the world's smallest giant, so I'm getting a kick, etc.


Plus, the fact that he was a legendary drinker probably didn't help matters.
 
2012-09-17 08:30:53 AM  

Flappyhead: Never heard about Bam Bam saving three kids from a burning house. That's freaking incredible.


I could be wrong, but I swear I heard that whole story wasn't true.

And I had no idea Giant Gonzales, Bam Bam Bigelow and Hercules Hernandez were gone. How depressing.
 
2012-09-17 08:32:31 AM  

Snapper Carr: Did the mix of kayfabe and real names bother anyone else? Seemed weirdly inconsistent to me.


No - I had to think for a moment to remember that Mike Lockwood was Crash Holly and Edward Fatu was Umaga (who is ANOTHER one I didn't realize was dead).
 
2012-09-17 08:40:38 AM  

mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.


Really? Aside from Benoit, Macho Man's death was the most publicized wrestling death I can remember. It was real news.
 
2012-09-17 08:41:46 AM  

Great_Milenko: mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.

Really? Aside from Benoit, Macho Man's death was the most publicized wrestling death I can remember. It was real news.


Hart got some decent coverage.
 
2012-09-17 08:59:53 AM  

Orgasmatron138: wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,

The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.


I truly believe Vince does love the business of pro wrestling, but in his mind 'the business' consists
entirely of his company. That warps his perceptions.

I often wonder how much different the WWE would look if Vince's father had actually let him compete
as a working wrestler in his younger days. I wonder if he wouldn't treat his guys better, and not as
disposable commodities.
 
2012-09-17 09:06:11 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Orgasmatron138: wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,

The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.

I truly believe Vince does love the business of pro wrestling, but in his mind 'the business' consists
entirely of his company. That warps his perceptions.

I often wonder how much different the WWE would look if Vince's father had actually let him compete
as a working wrestler in his younger days. I wonder if he wouldn't treat his guys better, and not as
disposable commodities.


I'd say that they have come a long ways in this generation. Little to no roids better screening and treatment (wellness program) etc.
 
2012-09-17 09:11:02 AM  

wippit: Actors win awards. Why not wrestlers? Both parts were written for them.


I guess when you put it that way, it does make sense.
 
2012-09-17 09:14:29 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Orgasmatron138: wippit: This slideshow has taught me much:

1. Only wrestlers die too young, and no other people do. Damn, you wrestling!

2. Vince can cause wrestlers to have diabetes, gigantism, cancer, falling asleep while driving, and massive obesity,

The percentage of young, dead wrestlers probably tops any other people grouped by profession. Randy Savage didn't fall asleep at the whee, he had a heart attack at the wheel. Vince McMahon may not be the satan that people say, but he did provide steroids and an environment where steroid use was rewarded for years.

I truly believe Vince does love the business of pro wrestling, but in his mind 'the business' consists
entirely of his company. That warps his perceptions.

I often wonder how much different the WWE would look if Vince's father had actually let him compete
as a working wrestler in his younger days. I wonder if he wouldn't treat his guys better, and not as
disposable commodities.


Heres the rub...

Has vince ever given the people drugs and said HERE TAKE THIS OR YOU'RE FIRED. I'm sure in all likelihood, no.
But since the early 80's, everyone has gotten used to 90% of wrestlers being just jacked like crazy. Very few actually make it in the business, and incrementally smaller is the amount of people who make it in the business without being jacked. You can be a mediocre wrestler, but if you come in with that look they will be more interested than if you don't.

If some guy, if being there is his dream, or he's already there and wants to maintain his build despite the constant travel (anyone who has traveled for any length of time knows just how difficult it is to stay in shape when you're flying/changing time zones/eating at odd hours), then its pretty much a given you will struggle and have to take things to keep your physique up. now punk/bryan, I would be shocked if they take anything because thats part of their gimmick/lifestyle and what makes them unique. Then again, nothing is really shocking any more, so who knows.

Either way, its impossible to not look at the business objectively, and see the amount of very obviously enhanced bodies through the years, and know that wether or not guys are implicitly told to take them, they will be taken to get ahead. Coupled with the taxing performances they put on 2-3 times a week, exhaustion, and travel, there really is nothing surprising that guys have to take a combo of steroids, pain killers, and depressants to make it through the week.

the wellness program, IMO, is a ruse simply used to punish guys who do something to really piss off management.
 
2012-09-17 09:24:01 AM  
I'll always remember Cap'n Lou Albano from the Super Mario Brothers Super Show, and you can't tell me any different.
 
2012-09-17 09:24:06 AM  
 
2012-09-17 09:26:59 AM  
TEST died? Holy crap where have I been? I don't watch wrestling anymore but I do peek at the websites from time to time, and I'm surprised I missed that one. I remember seeing him at a live event dark match a few years ago when he was attempting his comeback to WWE.
 
2012-09-17 10:17:02 AM  

GavinTheAlmighty: Definitely


Thank you so much for spelling that word correctly.

/defiantly
//definatly
 
2012-09-17 10:18:16 AM  

mediablitz: There were at least 5 in there I did not know had died, with Randy Savage at the top of the list.


Macho Man saved us all from the Rapture.

scotteriology.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-17 10:30:01 AM  
"...23 professional wrestlers that (sic) died too young..."

First slide: Lou Albano, 1933-2009

Maybe it's just me, but 76 years old doesn't sound too young for death.

/grew up in a rough neighborhood, apparently
 
2012-09-17 10:42:45 AM  
Put me down as another that didn't know Test was dead. Wow.
 
2012-09-17 10:44:00 AM  
I am shocked no one has said "WWE WELLNESS POLICY!"

I also always chuckle when people say John Cena is clean.
 
2012-09-17 10:50:44 AM  

star_topology: TEST died? Holy crap where have I been? I don't watch wrestling anymore but I do peek at the websites from time to time, and I'm surprised I missed that one. I remember seeing him at a live event dark match a few years ago when he was attempting his comeback to WWE.


Yes, sadly Test died back in 2008 I believe. That one hurt because I actually knew him through a friend. I had been to his house a few times and played paintball with him once. He had his belts hanging on the wall of his office. He got us Raw tickets when they came to Tampa as well. I've said it in these threads before, eventhough he was a solid midcarder he will always be known as the guy that had to job to HHH in the stephanie wedding angle.
 
2012-09-17 11:23:16 AM  
When you see how crippled and depressed some of these wrestlers get when they hit their sixties, you wonder if the ones that died young were the lucky ones.
 
2012-09-17 11:24:05 AM  
Now let's make a list of musicians and actors who have died young, mostly due to drug abuse. Odd how famous people who live life hard and fast tend to die young.

If there's a huge inquiry into steroid use/abuse in wrestling and sports, shouldn't there be a bigger inquiry in the general entertainment business too? Do you really think Ryan Reynolds, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans et. al. all got ridiculous jacked by eating lots of chicken breasts and working out 5 hours a day?

Newsflash: You can't work out that much and gain muscle without the aid of some form of anabolic steroid. The human body doesn't react that way.
 
2012-09-17 11:28:39 AM  

phedex: Has vince ever given the people drugs and said HERE TAKE THIS OR YOU'RE FIRED. I'm sure in all likelihood, no.


I'm hoping either Poe is at work, you're very young, or have memory issues; because this is apparently EXACTLY what happened back in the late 80s and early 90s, almost leading to the downfall of Vince and Terry(Hogan)in particular, and the trail that resulted definatley harmed Roddy Piper's career. I don't think there's any record stating Vince said "take them, or you're fired", but the implications(including the drugs mailed to his office, fedexed to hotels, etc in his name, might be a clue)are there.

Still, in the 1993 trial, a weepy Terry "Hulk" Hogan claimed that, even though the drugs came to the WWF through MacMahon most of the time, that Vinny didn't push it on them, and that it was a personal choice.... for 13 years.

So sure. He didn't "say" "take them or you're fired". It was just that... if you didn't take them, you weren't competative/looked the part.... and were benched/fired.

/jus' sayin'.
 
2012-09-17 11:31:04 AM  
I had no idea that Test, Bossman, or rick Rude were dead. :(
 
2012-09-17 11:32:26 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Deslided, for those of you who are tired of this crap.


Thank you, sir.
 
2012-09-17 11:32:39 AM  

Snapper Carr: When the Benoit thing happened two years later, I stopped watching.


Same here, though I have to admit I was losing interest long before then.
 
2012-09-17 11:33:13 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: UNC_Samurai: Deslided, for those of you who are tired of this crap.

Thank you, sir.


....you son of a biatch.
 
2012-09-17 11:33:38 AM  
fark I hate the new preview/post system.

remove the EXACTLY(cause it wasn't, and i'm on medication... so uh, yeah)

and I spelled McMahon wrong.

The rest is right. The entire steriod scandal back in the early 90s really did almost take Vince and his business out; infact, iirc, it was one of the things that led to Linda being made president of WWF in '93(because Vince was under indictment)

/going to go back to being sick now
//fark i hate being sick
///medication works nicely, though
 
2012-09-17 11:33:51 AM  

machoprogrammer: I am shocked no one has said "WWE WELLNESS POLICY!"

I also always chuckle when people say John Cena is clean.


To be honest, I don't think anyone can say for sure that any of those guys are 100% clean, and the same can be said for most pro sports today.

That said though, if Cena is doping somehow, he hasn't shown any tell-tale signs of it (i.e-small head, insanely popped veins, etc). Sure, he's bigger now than he was before, but it doesn't look that weird. Eddie changed so much, you knew he was doping.
 
2012-09-17 11:34:46 AM  

wantedbadass: Now let's make a list of musicians and actors who have died young, mostly due to drug abuse. Odd how famous people who live life hard and fast tend to die young.

If there's a huge inquiry into steroid use/abuse in wrestling and sports, shouldn't there be a bigger inquiry in the general entertainment business too? Do you really think Ryan Reynolds, Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans et. al. all got ridiculous jacked by eating lots of chicken breasts and working out 5 hours a day?

Newsflash: You can't work out that much and gain muscle without the aid of some form of anabolic steroid. The human body doesn't react that way.


This. When a guy says "I worked out X hours a day!", where X is >2, that means steroids. The human body can only do so much training before overtraining occurs. Overtraining hinders muscle development since the body cannot recover.
 
2012-09-17 11:47:56 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: machoprogrammer: I am shocked no one has said "WWE WELLNESS POLICY!"

I also always chuckle when people say John Cena is clean.

To be honest, I don't think anyone can say for sure that any of those guys are 100% clean, and the same can be said for most pro sports today.

That said though, if Cena is doping somehow, he hasn't shown any tell-tale signs of it (i.e-small head, insanely popped veins, etc). Sure, he's bigger now than he was before, but it doesn't look that weird. Eddie changed so much, you knew he was doping.


Eh, Cena has the signature HGH jaw and forehead along with freakishly large hands, which is another sign.

He was a bodybuilder before becoming a wrestler, so he was likely juicing then as well, which makes it less obvious. He also has gotten a decent amount bigger over the years.

His brother also said he lifts weights 3 hours a day, which is a sign of steroids (if you work out 3 hours a day without the juice, you will get injured pretty quickly).
 
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