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2012-09-17 03:41:40 AM
People too set in their OS ways to upgrade aren't likely to be the people upgrading their Photoshop version either. They aren't likely to lose many customers over this.
 
2012-09-17 03:48:08 AM
People who still use XP deserve what they get (or don't).
 
2012-09-17 03:55:30 AM
at least these folks will still have paint.net
 
2012-09-17 03:55:44 AM

Bhruic: People too set in their OS ways to upgrade aren't likely to be the people upgrading their Photoshop version either. They aren't likely to lose many customers over this.


Exactly. The people buying the newest version of Photoshop aren't using a 4-5 year old computer that they don't want to pay to upgrade to Win7.
 
2012-09-17 03:56:18 AM
If you are a paying Photoshop customer you are not running XP.
 
2012-09-17 03:56:28 AM
Not a lot of professionals will be upset about this. Compared to getting a brand new workstation graphics card, upgrading your OS is chump change. If anything, they have already upgraded a long time ago.
 
2012-09-17 03:57:48 AM

GWSuperfan: at least these folks will still have paint.net


Had to go check the Gimp site to see if it still supported XP.

Sure does!
 
2012-09-17 04:03:03 AM

hinten: If you are a paying Photoshop customer you are not running XP.


bullocks.
 
2012-09-17 04:17:55 AM
The only reason I still use 32-bit XP is because it would cost thousands of dollars to replace the hardware I use which requires it. Stupid farking drivers.
 
2012-09-17 04:21:39 AM
PaintShop Pro FTW
 
2012-09-17 04:22:47 AM
There's still an essential computer somewhere at my work which runs on Win95 or 98, can't remember exactly, because they apparently don't want to try to find an updated version of whatever the hell software they're using.
 
2012-09-17 04:23:25 AM

mediablitz: GWSuperfan: at least these folks will still have paint.net

Had to go check the Gimp site to see if it still supported XP.

Sure does!


Holy mother of zod, I didn't realize gimp would run under windoze.
 
2012-09-17 04:25:55 AM
Yeah noone is going to cough for PS SEVEN to run on an XP machine. really noone. Like single figures. Total waste of time supporting it.
 
2012-09-17 04:41:47 AM
Has anyone actually paid for any version of Photoshop?
 
2012-09-17 04:48:11 AM

styckx: Has anyone actually paid for any version of Photoshop?


Not I. Though, I think the version I was running at work was paid for as part of a huge licensing deal, so maybe businesses might have to deal with this.
 
2012-09-17 04:56:26 AM

styckx: Has anyone actually paid for any version of Photoshop?


We did.
Which is what I think their business model is based on.
Kids download it for free before they have a job - become expert - and make sure that their office buys it when they are in on the decision.
Sure, some offices will continue to torrent it, but I think allowing your software to become the standard for image editing is a good call in the end.
 
2012-09-17 04:59:48 AM

styckx: Has anyone actually paid for any version of Photoshop?

I have it as part of Creative Cloud. If you're a student, it's pretty good value.
 
2012-09-17 05:05:07 AM
Tag is for Subby
 
2012-09-17 05:10:26 AM

digistil: Tag is for Subby


Yes, who exactly is stupid, subby? Adobe? Or those with beige computers and dust-laden CRTs loaded with viruses XP? If the latter, I stand corrected.
 
2012-09-17 05:14:05 AM
I still use XP on my old desktop. Works fine and I still have a dozen games I haven't finished on it. Why would I change that?
 
2012-09-17 05:18:45 AM

alienated: hinten: If you are a paying Photoshop customer you are not running XP.

bullocks.


Thanks for sharing your predicament with us. My thoughts are with you and yours.
 
2012-09-17 05:26:15 AM

Confabulat: I still use XP on my old desktop. Works fine and I still have a dozen games I haven't finished on it. Why would I change that?


What does that have to do with Photoshop???
 
Xai
2012-09-17 05:51:58 AM
I see their thinking here - who would pay £650 for software when they haven't paid £150 to upgrade their OS.
 
2012-09-17 05:53:14 AM

Confabulat: I still use XP on my old desktop. Works fine and I still have a dozen games I haven't finished on it. Why would I change that?


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-09-17 06:05:35 AM

mediablitz: Confabulat: I still use XP on my old desktop. Works fine and I still have a dozen games I haven't finished on it. Why would I change that?

What does that have to do with Photoshop???


Oh it doesn't. If I was getting a new version of Photoshop I'd obviously not be using the old desktop. I was just pointing out to people above that people still do use XP and don't mind at all.

And I'm almost done with God of War on my PS2. Pretty fun game! I just snagged #2 off eBay for like 3 bucks, looking forward to it.
 
2012-09-17 06:12:50 AM

styckx: Has anyone actually paid for any version of Photoshop?


DING DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER


/serious, shiats expensive
//can't afford the 'buy' adobe products on a college student budget
///graphic designer
 
2012-09-17 06:21:58 AM

torch: PaintShop Pro FTW


FTFM.
 
2012-09-17 06:31:43 AM

Confabulat: mediablitz: Confabulat: I still use XP on my old desktop. Works fine and I still have a dozen games I haven't finished on it. Why would I change that?

What does that have to do with Photoshop???

Oh it doesn't. If I was getting a new version of Photoshop I'd obviously not be using the old desktop. I was just pointing out to people above that people still do use XP and don't mind at all.

And I'm almost done with God of War on my PS2. Pretty fun game! I just snagged #2 off eBay for like 3 bucks, looking forward to it.


Does this mean you don't wanna stand in line with me to buy the new iPhone?
 
2012-09-17 06:51:47 AM

0Icky0: styckx: Has anyone actually paid for any version of Photoshop?

We did.
Which is what I think their business model is based on.
Kids download it for free before they have a job - become expert - and make sure that their office buys it when they are in on the decision.
Sure, some offices will continue to torrent it, but I think allowing your software to become the standard for image editing is a good call in the end.


This is why Adobe has never really gone after individuals for pirating their software. In the end it works to their advantage by cementing their software as an industry standard. It's also why Microsoft has always sold college students full versions of Windows and Office for 10 bucks. Or at least they did when I was in school, can't say for sure if they still do.
 
2012-09-17 07:11:04 AM
Not that surprising, most people using photoshop will have a pc that was purchased in the last 6 years.
 
2012-09-17 07:19:00 AM
The cost of supporting latest Photoshop version on Windows XP is greater than the profits of sales to Windows XP users so thats why there is no Windows XP version.

CASE CLOSED ENCYCLOPEDIA BROWN!
 
2012-09-17 07:44:40 AM

torch: PaintShop Pro FTW


Has Corel finally come out with a 64 bit version of the program? Has the program stopped crashing when loaded up with several image files? Is the editing non-destructive to the original file like in Lightroom? Does it now include a panorama auto-stitcher? What about built-in HDR capabilities? Can you create a 100 Mpix image in it without it complaining?

Yeah, PSP was a good entry level program (the price was certainly right), but it is NOT PS. I can't do without PhotoShop with some of the work I do now (panoramas) - and yes, I did pay for it (they every so often do have special pricing so it wasn't full price).
 
2012-09-17 07:46:49 AM
Am I the only one who noticed that it requires Win 7 or better and no mention of Vista support in tfa?
 
2012-09-17 07:49:29 AM
I'm sorry, subby, am I supposed to be alarmed and dismayed that a software company isn't supporting an 11 year old operating system? 12 for those of us who had our hands on RC builds before public release.

XP is a stonking pile of fragrant garbage compared to Windows 7, especially those of us who have run more than 4 gigs of a RAM for more than a decade.
 
2012-09-17 07:53:54 AM
The checkout guy at my local grocer, a large chain, told me the checkout system runs Windows 98. I laughed, he saw my disbelief. So he asked the worker at the next aisle what OS they use. Windows98.
 
2012-09-17 08:07:09 AM
Dammit, this pisses me off.

Why? Because I HATE Adobe. And this is a Good Thing. Adobe is doing a Good Thing which means I have to like them just a little bit.

So...

Conflicted...

AUGH!!!
 
2012-09-17 08:09:42 AM

TheTrashcanMan: styckx: Has anyone actually paid for any version of Photoshop?

DING DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER


/serious, shiats expensive
//can't afford the 'buy' adobe products on a college student budget
///graphic designer


The Creative Cloud subscription isn't bad, $50 a month for a 1 year subscription and $75/mo if you go no commitment, and you get access to CS6 in its entirety.Just talked my boss into getting me set up with one so I could do some basic graphic design and video work in house instead of paying out the ass for another company to do it.
 
2012-09-17 08:13:20 AM

BizarreMan: Am I the only one who noticed that it requires Win 7 or better and no mention of Vista support in tfa?


Sounds like it, yes.
 
2012-09-17 08:26:27 AM

Neondistraction: 0Icky0: styckx: Has anyone actually paid for any version of Photoshop?

We did.
Which is what I think their business model is based on.
Kids download it for free before they have a job - become expert - and make sure that their office buys it when they are in on the decision.
Sure, some offices will continue to torrent it, but I think allowing your software to become the standard for image editing is a good call in the end.

This is why Adobe has never really gone after individuals for pirating their software. In the end it works to their advantage by cementing their software as an industry standard. It's also why Microsoft has always sold college students full versions of Windows and Office for 10 bucks. Or at least they did when I was in school, can't say for sure if they still do.


It's a little more now. I paid 40 bucks for Windows 7 Pro through the student deal. Admittedly, I hadn't been a student at the university email I used for 2 years at the time, but MicrOsoft just wanted a valid university email and didn't follOw up on checking on enrolment.

Office, which has pretty much everything the 500 dollar version has runs for about 80 bucks if you're a student.

Everyone seems to think Microsoft is teh ebul, but how many other companies do you know that allow you to beta thr super deluxe version of their software for free, and allow you to keep running that beta for another 6 months after the final version hits the street?

I'm also highly guilty of grabbing Acrobat Pro and Photoshop. Yeah, Acrobat has some bloat, but I've tried using stuff like Bluebeam and other "cheaper" PDF editing software and found that Acrobat works the best. It's not as huge of a memory hog, believe it or not, and it's much better at compression and backwards compatibility. Just because something is cheap doesn't always mean it ends up working right. Bluebeam was a pain in the ass.
 
2012-09-17 08:28:19 AM
Adobe licenses carry downgrade rights. I deal with this every day since some of our departments haven't been upgraded to XP or 64 bit yet. If you buy a license for any Adobe CS6 product, you can use previous versions until you have the capability to run the current offering. Premiere has been 64 bit only since CS5, so you can buy a license for the 64-bit CS6 version, but run CS4 until you can get fully upgraded. It is a pain in the ass, but some large companies take a while to get everyone up and running on the latest and greatest.
 
2012-09-17 08:29:16 AM

genepool lifeboat: Adobe licenses carry downgrade rights. I deal with this every day since some of our departments haven't been upgraded to XP or 64 bit yet. If you buy a license for any Adobe CS6 product, you can use previous versions until you have the capability to run the current offering. Premiere has been 64 bit only since CS5, so you can buy a license for the 64-bit CS6 version, but run CS4 until you can get fully upgraded. It is a pain in the ass, but some large companies take a while to get everyone up and running on the latest and greatest.


That should be FROM XP... coffee...
 
2012-09-17 08:40:26 AM

torch: PaintShop Pro FTW


I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum I guess. I update my OS but stay back level with the image editing software. Windows 7 has to disable aero every time I launch my now ancient PSP 9.
 
2012-09-17 09:36:14 AM
lol virtual machine. I run all kinds of crap I'm not "supposed" to.
didn't rtfa
 
2012-09-17 10:18:04 AM
I`m ok with this. The sooner `proper` computing apps move to 64 bit and CUDA (or AMD equiv) the better.
 
2012-09-17 10:19:38 AM

genepool lifeboat: genepool lifeboat: Adobe licenses carry downgrade rights. I deal with this every day since some of our departments haven't been upgraded to XP or 64 bit yet. If you buy a license for any Adobe CS6 product, you can use previous versions until you have the capability to run the current offering. Premiere has been 64 bit only since CS5, so you can buy a license for the 64-bit CS6 version, but run CS4 until you can get fully upgraded. It is a pain in the ass, but some large companies take a while to get everyone up and running on the latest and greatest.

That should be FROM XP... coffee...


Do you mean FROM xp TO 63 bit?

/oops, dropped a bit.
//64 bit, that`s it, 64.....
 
2012-09-17 10:20:35 AM
ITT: people too cheap to buy a legitimate copy of windows complain about software they aren't going to buy anyways that isn't compatible with their pirated OS.


/Windows XP is nothing more then a security risk at this point
 
2012-09-17 10:21:34 AM

dready zim: genepool lifeboat: genepool lifeboat: Adobe licenses carry downgrade rights. I deal with this every day since some of our departments haven't been upgraded to XP or 64 bit yet. If you buy a license for any Adobe CS6 product, you can use previous versions until you have the capability to run the current offering. Premiere has been 64 bit only since CS5, so you can buy a license for the 64-bit CS6 version, but run CS4 until you can get fully upgraded. It is a pain in the ass, but some large companies take a while to get everyone up and running on the latest and greatest.

That should be FROM XP... coffee...

Do you mean FROM xp TO 63 bit?

/oops, dropped a bit.
//64 bit, that`s it, 64.....


Windows XP does have a 64 bit version

I don't think it lets you use more then 4GB ram, but it at least shows that you have it.
 
2012-09-17 10:38:04 AM

dready zim: Do you mean FROM xp TO 63 bit?

/oops, dropped a bit.
//64 bit, that`s it, 64.....


fluffy2097: Windows XP does have a 64 bit version

I don't think it lets you use more then 4GB ram, but it at least shows that you have it.


Yeah, what I meant to say was that we haven't upgraded everyone from XP 32-bit to either 64 bit or Windows 7. Obviously at this point we're not going to be going XP 64 Bit, but we've had to consider it for a few machines because of some of the archaic software out there in the legacy world. In a prefect world everything would just go to Win 7 and 64 bit, but, especially in Healthcare, companies look to save as much as they can for as long as they have to.
I'm a little more awake now.
 
2012-09-17 10:40:25 AM
If you're running the latest Photoshop and running Windows XP, you're already hindering the performance.
 
2012-09-17 10:42:42 AM
i.imgur.com

What a Windows XP user in 2012 might look like.
 
2012-09-17 11:04:22 AM
I realized long ago I don't want to cheap out on stuff I spend a lot of time doing, like computers and photoshop, so fine by me.
 
2012-09-17 11:12:22 AM

genepool lifeboat: because of some of the archaic software out there in the legacy world


Legacy software can usually be emulated in windows XP mode for windows 7. You should look into a dev box to try that on and see if it works. It doesn't always, but it's worth a shot. Drivers for legacy hardware are the worst because you'll never get them running on 7.

XP at this point is pretty much just a security risk. Microsoft is no longer working on active development and they'll only push out a security patch for it if there is a highly publicized exploit.
 
2012-09-17 11:14:49 AM

theurge14: [i.imgur.com image 500x371]

What a Windows XP user in 2012 might look like.


In this rare etching, you can see users of pirate copies of windows XP, smashing a windows 7 DVD press.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-17 11:38:53 AM

plc5_250: torch: PaintShop Pro FTW

Has Corel finally come out with a 64 bit version of the program? Has the program stopped crashing when loaded up with several image files? Is the editing non-destructive to the original file like in Lightroom? Does it now include a panorama auto-stitcher? What about built-in HDR capabilities? Can you create a 100 Mpix image in it without it complaining?

Yeah, PSP was a good entry level program (the price was certainly right), but it is NOT PS. I can't do without PhotoShop with some of the work I do now (panoramas) - and yes, I did pay for it (they every so often do have special pricing so it wasn't full price).


No, yes yes unsure yes dunno. Although the latest update may be 64bit.
 
2012-09-17 11:49:15 AM
I guess you guys will just have to pirate windows vista or windows 7 to go along with your pirated version of Photoshop cuz you damn sure didn't pay
 
2012-09-17 12:02:45 PM
Caelistis: XP is a stonking pile of fragrant garbage compared to Windows 7, especially those of us who have run more than 4 gigs of a RAM for more than a decade.

I got a greenlight, that's all I care about :P

// I don't even use windows anymore, except in VMs.

lordargent.com

plc5_250: Has Corel finally come out with a 64 bit version of the program? Has the program stopped crashing when loaded up with several image files? I

Does anyone from JASC still work there? Didn't Corel already have a paint style program before slurping up JASC? Who remembers installing Corel Draw 5 from floppies?
 
2012-09-17 12:12:40 PM

alienated: bullocks


Urban Dictionary: bullocks
A term Americans mistakenly use when they really mean to say bollocks.
 
2012-09-17 01:11:19 PM

fluffy2097: dready zim: genepool lifeboat: genepool lifeboat: Adobe licenses carry downgrade rights. I deal with this every day since some of our departments haven't been upgraded to XP or 64 bit yet. If you buy a license for any Adobe CS6 product, you can use previous versions until you have the capability to run the current offering. Premiere has been 64 bit only since CS5, so you can buy a license for the 64-bit CS6 version, but run CS4 until you can get fully upgraded. It is a pain in the ass, but some large companies take a while to get everyone up and running on the latest and greatest.

That should be FROM XP... coffee...

Do you mean FROM xp TO 63 bit?

/oops, dropped a bit.
//64 bit, that`s it, 64.....

Windows XP does have a 64 bit version

I don't think it lets you use more then 4GB ram, but it at least shows that you have it.


So it has some aspects of 64-bit, just not any of the useful ones. Like the ones that might be useful to say, photoshop.
 
2012-09-17 01:18:06 PM

jbtilley: torch: PaintShop Pro FTW

I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum I guess. I update my OS but stay back level with the image editing software. Windows 7 has to disable aero every time I launch my now ancient PSP 9.


It's come a long way since then.
 
2012-09-17 01:39:25 PM

dready zim: So it has some aspects of 64-bit, just not any of the useful ones. Like the ones that might be useful to say, photoshop.


All the problems of 64 bit, with none of the advantages really.

The people who say XP 64 is better then windows 7 are the same kind of people who buy a ton of cheap ass hardware, and a water cooling kit that costs more then the machine itself, so that they can overclock their hardware to the max, and get a computer that's 66% as fast as if they just spent all their money on the hardware in the first place.

/You cannot fix stupid
 
2012-09-17 01:40:32 PM
Adobe cannot be bothered by a paltry 3.7GB of ram.

// Ram, its what's for dinner.
 
2012-09-17 01:52:45 PM
But will it work with this!? This question needs to be asked cuz it's what I'm running at my home base...
ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2012-09-17 03:15:36 PM
Solidworks 2013, being released now, doesn't support Windows XP either. When we install SW2012 on XP, it warns us that this is the last version to support XP
 
2012-09-17 03:17:43 PM

Relatively Obscure: There's still an essential computer somewhere at my work which runs on Win95 or 98, can't remember exactly, because they apparently don't want to try to find an updated version of whatever the hell software they're using.


We have CNC equipment that runs on Windows95 and Win2k. It would cost us about $14,000 per machine to upgrade them to new controllers. Even then I think we will only have XP on them
 
2012-09-17 03:21:49 PM
If you really know how to use photoshop you can do just fine with version 7
 
2012-09-17 03:45:10 PM

italie: Adobe cannot be bothered by a paltry 3.7GB of ram.

// Ram, its what's for dinner.


I decided to stop doing after effects on laptop spec kit (8GB, dual core) a few years ago and got myself a proper machine. It would be nice to be able to let adobe use all my cores but I only have 24 GB of ram and I should have closer to 36GB for my machine. I`d really like a dual xeon with 16 real cores (32 with hyperthreading) but I would need over 96GB to let after effects use its legs.

I cannot imagine using a 32 bit machine ever again for anything more than games.

Anyone who wants to buy me a quadro 6000 would make me very happy.
 
2012-09-17 03:46:34 PM

weiserfireman: Relatively Obscure: There's still an essential computer somewhere at my work which runs on Win95 or 98, can't remember exactly, because they apparently don't want to try to find an updated version of whatever the hell software they're using.

We have CNC equipment that runs on Windows95 and Win2k. It would cost us about $14,000 per machine to upgrade them to new controllers. Even then I think we will only have XP on them


Let`s face it though, a CNC milling machine is hardly likely to be a security problem on the network.
 
2012-09-17 03:50:23 PM

italie: Adobe cannot be bothered by a paltry 3.7GB of ram.

// Ram, its what's for dinner.


This.

Hell, you can barely run Acrobat Reader on 3.7GB of RAM. It's like Adobe gathers their programming teams every year and challenges them to make their programs more bloated and slower than ever.
 
kab
2012-09-17 04:15:20 PM
Will it still support one of the most overinflated price tags in the business?

Yes?

Just checking.
 
2012-09-17 04:57:16 PM
I use CS3 at home on an XP machine from 2008 and CS5 at work on a Win7 machine from 2011. CS3 on XP is way faster.

Maybe it is my video card or something, but CS5 has a ton of split second pauses that are glaringly obvious when working really fast.
 
2012-09-17 05:00:44 PM
If this was Apple, there'd be articles praising them as geniuses and innovators.

They should end support for the mouse, THEN they'd be decalred geniuses.
No? Still only if Apple does it?
 
2012-09-17 05:04:55 PM

Kanemano: If you really know how to use photoshop you can do just fine with version 7


Hell, i could make due with 4.0... maybe even earlier, but never tried.
 
2012-09-17 05:22:14 PM

Elemental79: I use CS3 at home on an XP machine from 2008 and CS5 at work on a Win7 machine from 2011. CS3 on XP is way faster.

Maybe it is my video card or something, but CS5 has a ton of split second pauses that are glaringly obvious when working really fast.


Yes.
 
2012-09-17 07:46:01 PM

hinten: If you are a paying Photoshop customer you are not running XP.


Of course not, you're running (Mountain) Lion. :)
 
2012-09-17 08:10:36 PM

theurge14: What a Windows XP user in 2012 might look like.


Screw u. That guy is likely younger than I am.
Of machines running within arms length:
Win 7
Win 7
Win7/Win8 dual boot (laptop)
Server2008/LinuxMint dual boot (laptop)
Win 7 media box attached to the 61"
untangle firewall

VMs:
Server2012+SharePoint2013
Server2012Essentials
LinuxMint
Server2008R2+SharePoint2010
about to crank up an XP VM and see if Quake I will run reliably

Hint - not all 'old guys' are Luddites or clueless.
 
2012-09-17 08:51:36 PM

Neondistraction: 0Icky0: styckx: Has anyone actually paid for any version of Photoshop?

We did.
Which is what I think their business model is based on.
Kids download it for free before they have a job - become expert - and make sure that their office buys it when they are in on the decision.
Sure, some offices will continue to torrent it, but I think allowing your software to become the standard for image editing is a good call in the end.

This is why Adobe has never really gone after individuals for pirating their software. In the end it works to their advantage by cementing their software as an industry standard. It's also why Microsoft has always sold college students full versions of Windows and Office for 10 bucks. Or at least they did when I was in school, can't say for sure if they still do.


I got copies of Windows XP, Vista and 7 for free, in addition to Visual studios and a few other things, but what was available to you was dependent on your major.

/I was CS, if you didn't gather that from the VS
//Windows 8 upgrades are only $40(non upgrade version is still the usual)...but not sure if want
 
2012-09-17 08:54:06 PM
In other news, apparently they still make Photoshop for Windows.
 
2012-09-17 09:03:38 PM
MrEricSir : In other news, apparently they still make Photoshop for Windows.

Where have you been? Adobe and Apple haven't been getting along for a while now (blame the whole flash thing).

Hell, I think some photoshop versions even came out on Windows before Mac as well.
 
2012-09-17 10:38:29 PM

Neondistraction: This is why Adobe has never really gone after individuals for pirating their software. In the end it works to their advantage by cementing their software as an industry standard. It's also why Microsoft has always sold college students full versions of Windows and Office for 10 bucks. Or at least they did when I was in school, can't say for sure if they still do.


Yeah, Adobe only goes after the people who actually pay for it. What's the top-end Creative Suite retail for nowadays... $2,700 or so? ;)

The university I work for has site license deals with Adobe and Microsoft. Everybody gets Office (Professional Plus or Mac Home & Business) and Adobe Creative Suite (Design Premium for students, Master Collection for faculty/staff) free, as well as Windows upgrades (Win7 Enterprise) and free subscriptions to TechNet. Faculty/staff also get MS Project and Visio, but I haven't cared enough to download those.
 
2012-09-17 11:45:41 PM

Kanemano: If you really know how to use photoshop you can do just fine with version 7


It's true. *shifty eyes*
 
2012-09-18 12:01:31 AM

lordargent: Does anyone from JASC still work there? Didn't Corel already have a paint style program before slurping up JASC? Who remembers installing Corel Draw 5 from floppies?


How many were there? The last time I did Office on floppies it was 17.
 
2012-09-18 01:04:48 AM
saturn badger : How many were there? The last time I did Office on floppies it was 17.

Corel Draw 5 on floppies (sans clipart) was about a dozen floppies IIRC.

You could get Corel Draw 6 on floppies, but it was a special order and cost $150 bones more than the CD version (50 floppies).
 
2012-09-18 09:27:19 AM

ColSanders: italie: Adobe cannot be bothered by a paltry 3.7GB of ram.

// Ram, its what's for dinner.

This.

Hell, you can barely run Acrobat Reader on 3.7GB of RAM. It's like Adobe gathers their programming teams every year and challenges them to make their programs more bloated and slower than ever.


Adobe bloat is nothing like their cheaper competitors. Seriously, I'm stuck using Acrobat 8 at work, and it boots a heck of a lot quicker than Bluebeam 7 ever did. Ditto for Open Office vs. Microsoft Office. Cheap/Free doesn't alway translate to better. Sometimes yeah, it does, but for other things, you get what you pay for.
 
2012-09-18 03:08:19 PM
If it was 2004, would you be upset that photoshop 5 or 6 or whatever version was coming out did not support Windows 95?
 
2012-09-18 04:25:29 PM
What is with all of the XP rage anyhow? It got us through the other crap.
 
2012-09-18 05:08:29 PM

Bhruic: People too set in their OS ways to upgrade aren't likely to be the people upgrading their Photoshop version either. They aren't likely to lose many customers over this.


Considering that Microsoft will also soon stop supporting Windows XP it doesn't surprise me that other software developers are doing the same exact thing.
 
2012-09-18 07:31:25 PM

fluffy2097: dready zim: So it has some aspects of 64-bit, just not any of the useful ones. Like the ones that might be useful to say, photoshop.

All the problems of 64 bit, with none of the advantages really.

The people who say XP 64 is better then windows 7 are the same kind of people who buy a ton of cheap ass hardware, and a water cooling kit that costs more then the machine itself, so that they can overclock their hardware to the max, and get a computer that's 66% as fast as if they just spent all their money on the hardware in the first place.

/You cannot fix stupid


Who on earth are the people that say XP 64 is better than Win7? XP 64 was a bastard of an O/S from day one and has never had proper support from any hardware vendor or even Microsoft themselves. MS set that thing out there and then was like "What? Should we not have done that?" Where on earth would you even find drivers for it in this day and age.

andyofne: Bhruic: People too set in their OS ways to upgrade aren't likely to be the people upgrading their Photoshop version either. They aren't likely to lose many customers over this.

Considering that Microsoft will also soon stop supporting Windows XP it doesn't surprise me that other software developers are doing the same exact thing.


Google is dropping support for IE8 entirely, which is their way of saying "Upgrade your O/S, dumbass". Granted you could still get by with Chrome or Firefox but frankly the market share still held by XP is limited almost exclusively to the following groups:

a) corporate users ("FUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuu")
b) the woefully misinformed ("My friend knows a lot about computers and he says Windows 7 is just awful")
c) the willfully ignorant ("Windows 7 is a resource hog, runs really slow and crashes constantly")
d) those who have no real reason to upgrade ("I've had this PC for nine years and it's never crashed once!")
e) users of pirated software (See: China)

and every major software (and hardware) vendor sees the writing on the wall for XP and just wants to divest themselves of any costs associated with supporting it.

It's about time, too.
 
2012-09-18 10:13:09 PM

A Shambling Mound: Who on earth are the people that say XP 64 is better than Win7? XP 64 was a bastard of an O/S from day one and has never had proper support from any hardware vendor or even Microsoft themselves. MS set that thing out there and then was like "What? Should we not have done that?" Where on earth would you even find drivers for it in this day and age.


I completely agree.

Some people still use it as an excuse to stick with XP though, but only idiots really.
 
2012-09-19 12:53:38 AM
A Shambling Mound: a) corporate users ("FUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuu")

f) those who only need to run windows in a VM to run one or two very windows specific programs.

// in my case, MS access. It's easier to just keep an XP VM around than to put in the time and effort to convert everything.

// needs a better way to read or convert old ass jet DBs for use in ubuntu.
 
2012-09-20 01:10:57 PM

lordargent: A Shambling Mound: a) corporate users ("FUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuu")

f) those who only need to run windows in a VM to run one or two very windows specific programs.

// in my case, MS access. It's easier to just keep an XP VM around than to put in the time and effort to convert everything.

// needs a better way to read or convert old ass jet DBs for use in ubuntu.


Yeah he uses a pretty broad angry brush there. I have a lengthy list of programs he would hate. Old audio stuff mostly. mostly.
 
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