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2012-09-17 08:15:27 AM
Keeps teh childenz safe from those mean old xbox live 12 year olds on voice chat.
 
2012-09-17 08:16:47 AM
But I certainly anticipate that, as we're going deeper into the life of the Wii U and we're seeing more and more games from the first-party teams, we're going to start to see games that do have online play and things like that."

This guy is a visionary.
 
2012-09-17 08:17:16 AM
"I think for a while now our fans have considered the WiiU to be the chance for Nintendo to re-enter the console race and validate our saying that we want to appeal to the core gamers instead of casuals. We simply wanted to dispel those rumors."

/good luck selling Kerfuffle without online multiplayer
 
2012-09-17 08:20:02 AM
Meh. The last console game I played multiplayer was Gears of War 3 and that was for Horde mode with a few friends. And in fairness, everyone who plays on Live/PSN are total douche nozzles (John Gabriel's Greater Internet Dickwad Theory in Action) and matchmaking is shiat. Give me dedicated servers or give me death.
 
2012-09-17 08:24:18 AM

YodaBlues: Meh. The last console game I played multiplayer was Gears of War 3 and that was for Horde mode with a few friends. And in fairness, everyone who plays on Live/PSN are total douche nozzles (John Gabriel's Greater Internet Dickwad Theory in Action) and matchmaking is shiat. Give me dedicated servers or give me death.


You're going to have to come to the PC for that.
 
2012-09-17 08:24:45 AM
I hate everyone. The Wii-U's single player games will be more than enough to entertain me.
 
2012-09-17 08:27:17 AM
misleading headline is misleading. It is only the game NintendoLand that won't have online play....
 
2012-09-17 08:29:44 AM

thunderbird8804: YodaBlues: Meh. The last console game I played multiplayer was Gears of War 3 and that was for Horde mode with a few friends. And in fairness, everyone who plays on Live/PSN are total douche nozzles (John Gabriel's Greater Internet Dickwad Theory in Action) and matchmaking is shiat. Give me dedicated servers or give me death.

You're going to have to come to the PC for that.


Oh, I'm a Member of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race, in fact it's my primary platform. :-D

I just farking hate matchmaking. Swear to god, you spend more time trying to get into in a game then you spend actually playing the game. Tried Gotham City Imposters on Steam when it went F2P, and it's not a bad game, but it has matchmaking and takes forever to get into a damn game. I don't want to spend friggin' 20 minutes trying to get into a game, I just want to play. 

/Look upon me with awe you dirty console gaming peasants!
 
2012-09-17 08:30:37 AM
I saw a display at a gamestop with what I assume were the launch titles. I can't remember all of them, but nothing stood out in the crowd.

Assassins Creed III - no need to buy a new console for that
Pikmin 3 - ok I guess
Tekken - still a bit surprised they were still making tekken games, but I don't keep up with fighting games
Scribblenaughts - I assume they're doing something more than just porting the ds version
Batman Arkham City - just in case you haven't played it yet I guess
FIFA - Again, this will probably be on every console, that is to say on a console people already own
Avengers - no screenshots on the box, no idea what that game will be like, probably another multi-console game

I wasn't impressed. I'm sure they have their regular exclusive Mario titles and the like, but for some reason they didn't have any advertisements for those. Maybe it was just that particular gamestop, but the release titles they had out there as an advertisement for the system were a huge miss. I wouldn't buy a new console for any of those games.

Combine that with huuuuge controllers that will probably be ultra expensive for people that want to play games with their friends and this no online thing... what's the main draw for wii u? Re-releases of Super Mario Bros. Wii with anti-aliasing?
 
2012-09-17 08:31:28 AM

YodaBlues: Meh. The last console game I played multiplayer was Gears of War 3 and that was for Horde mode with a few friends. And in fairness, everyone who plays on Live/PSN are total douche nozzles (John Gabriel's Greater Internet Dickwad Theory in Action) and matchmaking is shiat. Give me dedicated servers or give me death.


OK so you played a game featuring giant muscle bound men who engage in violence porn at minimum 5 times per minute and from the behavior of the young men who find that genre of game entertaining you determined that all console players are mouth breathers? Does this make sense to you?

Also why are dedicated servers necessary for horde mode? It's only 4 players at a time. Basically whats necessary for most of the games on consoles is a method for selecting the best possible host in any given game.

/I also enjoy Gears of War
//I just don't expect to have stimulating conversation with randoms when I play it
///then again I don't play with randoms
 
2012-09-17 08:35:25 AM

jbtilley: Combine that with huuuuge controllers that will probably be ultra expensive for people that want to play games with their friends and this no online thing... what's the main draw for wii u? Re-releases of Super Mario Bros. Wii with anti-aliasing?


IIRC there is only one huge controller and it comes with the console.
 
2012-09-17 08:39:26 AM

YodaBlues: thunderbird8804: YodaBlues: Meh. The last console game I played multiplayer was Gears of War 3 and that was for Horde mode with a few friends. And in fairness, everyone who plays on Live/PSN are total douche nozzles (John Gabriel's Greater Internet Dickwad Theory in Action) and matchmaking is shiat. Give me dedicated servers or give me death.

You're going to have to come to the PC for that.

Oh, I'm a Member of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race, in fact it's my primary platform. :-D

I just farking hate matchmaking. Swear to god, you spend more time trying to get into in a game then you spend actually playing the game. Tried Gotham City Imposters on Steam when it went F2P, and it's not a bad game, but it has matchmaking and takes forever to get into a damn game. I don't want to spend friggin' 20 minutes trying to get into a game, I just want to play. 

/Look upon me with awe you dirty console gaming peasants!


Yeah, that P2P shiat is for the birds, can't stand it.

t1.gstatic.com

/For life
 
2012-09-17 08:40:03 AM

Egoy3k: YodaBlues: Meh. The last console game I played multiplayer was Gears of War 3 and that was for Horde mode with a few friends. And in fairness, everyone who plays on Live/PSN are total douche nozzles (John Gabriel's Greater Internet Dickwad Theory in Action) and matchmaking is shiat. Give me dedicated servers or give me death.

OK so you played a game featuring giant muscle bound men who engage in violence porn at minimum 5 times per minute and from the behavior of the young men who find that genre of game entertaining you determined that all console players are mouth breathers? Does this make sense to you?

Also why are dedicated servers necessary for horde mode? It's only 4 players at a time. Basically whats necessary for most of the games on consoles is a method for selecting the best possible host in any given game.

/I also enjoy Gears of War
//I just don't expect to have stimulating conversation with randoms when I play it
///then again I don't play with randoms


Wow champ, you kind went full retard there. From what I understand, you should never go full retard.

Let me highlight the important part of that sentence for you : The last console game I played multiplayer was Gears of War 3 and that was for Horde mode with a few friends.

I played Horde with friends, not pubs. I was speaking in generalities regarding the other game modes. Perhaps not clear, but I think anyone whose spent more than 5 minutes playing deathmatch or any versus-type game mode on Live can vouch for the vileness and retardation of the average user.

Never said dedicated servers were necessary for Horde either, I'm talking about other game modes like CTF or deathmatch or whatever. And I'm not just talking about GoW3, these are general complaints regarding console gaming and why I wouldn't care if the WiiU (or other consoles) didn't have multiplayer. Multiplayer (unless it's co-op) on consoles kind of sucks for a multitude of reasons (random assholes, matchmaking, etc ), so it wouldn't bother me to not have it.

Clear?
 
2012-09-17 08:43:23 AM

Egoy3k: IIRC there is only one huge controller and it comes with the console.


I'm sure it comes with one, but does player 2 need a huge controller as well? if so that's a separate, and likely expensive purchase.
 
2012-09-17 08:43:45 AM

Egoy3k: jbtilley: Combine that with huuuuge controllers that will probably be ultra expensive for people that want to play games with their friends and this no online thing... what's the main draw for wii u? Re-releases of Super Mario Bros. Wii with anti-aliasing?

IIRC there is only one huge controller and it comes with the console.


Yeah I think I read it could support 2 of those potentially, but I'm hoping more developers will be using the more traditional looking Wii U Pro controller. I'm all for trying new things, but the controller we've all been using for years has stuck around because it works.
 
2012-09-17 08:45:05 AM

jbtilley: Egoy3k: IIRC there is only one huge controller and it comes with the console.

I'm sure it comes with one, but does player 2 need a huge controller as well? if so that's a separate, and likely expensive purchase.


I believe only one of the big controllers is supported off the bat, other players use nunchuks/Wii controllers.
 
2012-09-17 08:54:36 AM
So nintendo's coming out with "Crap" as their next console. Gotcha.
 
2012-09-17 08:56:18 AM
Can't wait for part 2, where they take out multiplayer entirely for the old-school 'Take turns' approach and they try to spin that into a better experience.

Then after that they can just ship you an empty case because the 'possibilty of a game is the best part, so we wanted to prolong that after we have your money'.

Take the 'Network' icon off the case dude, quit trying to justify a lie.
 
2012-09-17 08:57:45 AM

YodaBlues: I believe only one of the big controllers is supported off the bat, other players use nunchuks/Wii controllers.


Really not trying to be dense/argumentative (it comes natural ;) but that begs the question... does player 1 get some kind of advantage over player 2 then, or is the controller with the screen a largely unused and unnecessary gimmick? Like where they shoehorned wii motion controls in games that didn't need it and how you could have easily lived without a second screen on most DS games.

With the dreamcast I remember you could choose football plays and take the insert with you to play some mini game or other with sonic games. I can see how it would be nice to have but not required in those contexts. I'm assuming that this new controller is going to be very similar.
 
2012-09-17 09:01:47 AM
i fully expect nintendo's first party games to be few and far-between in online support, maybe mario kart... *crosses fingers*

it's getting call of duty black ops 2 at launch, so surely the network is developed enough that games will have online play, i just doubt nintendo themselves (outside of western devs like retro) will care when making their games
 
2012-09-17 09:02:24 AM

jbtilley: YodaBlues: I believe only one of the big controllers is supported off the bat, other players use nunchuks/Wii controllers.

Really not trying to be dense/argumentative (it comes natural ;) but that begs the question... does player 1 get some kind of advantage over player 2 then, or is the controller with the screen a largely unused and unnecessary gimmick? Like where they shoehorned wii motion controls in games that didn't need it and how you could have easily lived without a second screen on most DS games.

With the dreamcast I remember you could choose football plays and take the insert with you to play some mini game or other with sonic games. I can see how it would be nice to have but not required in those contexts. I'm assuming that this new controller is going to be very similar.


Honestly not sure, I believe it's going to developer based, so it'll be different on a game by game basis. I haven't really been following the WiiU stuff that closely. The only game that caught my eye so far is ZombieU and I think that's single player.
 
2012-09-17 09:06:19 AM

YodaBlues: I believe only one of the big controllers is supported off the bat, other players use nunchuks/Wii controllers.


I thought the other players used the pro controllers, and that the remote/nunchuks were only for backwards-compatible Wii titles. Have I been misled? There's a different number of inputs on the tablets vs remote/nunchuk.
 
2012-09-17 09:10:23 AM
I sorta wish Nintendo was traded someplace I was familiar with. I'd love to get LEAPS on Nintendo stock, with the expectation that the company will be NOTHING within three years.
 
2012-09-17 09:10:28 AM

GavinTheAlmighty: YodaBlues: I believe only one of the big controllers is supported off the bat, other players use nunchuks/Wii controllers.

I thought the other players used the pro controllers, and that the remote/nunchuks were only for backwards-compatible Wii titles. Have I been misled? There's a different number of inputs on the tablets vs remote/nunchuk.


Maybe, I'm definitely not the person to ask. I've only read a few articles on it over at PA Report and I thought they said only 1 of the big controllers was really supported, but I'm probably way off, sorry.
 
2012-09-17 09:13:54 AM

YodaBlues: Maybe, I'm definitely not the person to ask. I've only read a few articles on it over at PA Report and I thought they said only 1 of the big controllers was really supported, but I'm probably way off, sorry.


There's been a lot of conflicting reports about whether or not two tablets are supported, but I'm more interested in knowing what player 2 will use if not a second tablet. Not that I'd rush out to buy a second tablet anyway.
 
2012-09-17 09:21:47 AM
Wow, that headline is 100% misleading. As someone posted above. The article talks about NINTENDO LAND being offline only. The Nintendo Network supports ONLINE PLAY . People need to stop spreading rumors. Also, you can use up to TWO Wii-U control pads, it's up to developers to choose what games support that feature. Due to the hit in performance (i.e, streaming video to two screens) I assume most multi-player games will use 1 control pad for one player and the rest wii controllers/pro pads etc. for local multi-player. If you think about that, then you can see how Nintendo is really going to push the online capabilities of their machine, since it's built more for online multi-player than offline.
 
2012-09-17 09:25:15 AM
"We look at online play and we think that it's important, and obviously for games where it makes sense, we're going to leverage it."

One game doesn't have online play. Subby, you suck.


Gavin/Yoda: Multiple gamepads (tablets) are supported by the hardware. As of yet, not by the software.

And from what I've read, Nintendo is looking to minimize that potential until well after launch. At which point the hardware price can come down to alevel where only 70% of people online will biatch about having to buy another one.
 
2012-09-17 09:25:46 AM
Also, here is a link to an article talking about games using two Gamepads (for some reason I thought the term was Control Pad earlier).

Link
 
2012-09-17 09:27:33 AM
I really want to hate this decision and be all pissed off about it, but I just can't.

Buddy convinced me to go buy Battlefield 3 the other day, got it and a nice Turtle Beach headset, whole nine yards. We jumped into a game and of course I was getting my ass handed to me, but it transcended that. If I was just losing but still getting some kills, that'd be one thing; that was pretty much the whole Modern Warfare experience for me. But this was another level. There'd be 4 or 5 of us trying to hold some position, and dudes would just come running in, jump over the barricade, drop straight to the prone position, and circle-strafe, killing every one of us before we had time to even turn around and aim. There was some beach-storming map where a sniper on the deck of a battleship had the entire map on lock-down; you'd spawn, run over the crest of a hill trying to get to the objective you needed to defend, and *pop* oh look there are my brains. And don't even get me started about the helicopters.

And about 5 minutes before I put my controller through my plasma, it finally occurred to me: I can't game like this anymore. I don't have the 5 hours a night it takes to get that good at an online game. Hell I don't have 5 hours a month to devote to it. If I even tried to play this game seriously one night a week I'd feel guilty about it, because either something around the house wasn't getting done or I was ignoring my family. So why do I want to put myself through this meat grinder if there's not going to be a payoff at the end?
 
2012-09-17 09:30:10 AM

sidcart42:
Gavin/Yoda: Multiple gamepads (tablets) are supported by the hardware. As of yet, not by the software.

And from what I've read, Nintendo is looking to minimize that potential until well after launch. At which point the hardware price can come down to alevel where only 70% of people online will biatch about having to buy another one.


Ahh, cool, good to know. Like I said previously, I'm only marginally interested in the WiiU anyway, that ZombieU game looks pretty sweet, but nothing else really does anything for me.
 
2012-09-17 09:35:33 AM
Since I met someone and have actually been playing with boobies, I think I'll skip this generation. Have fun.
 
2012-09-17 09:48:07 AM
Subby, that's not what TFA says at all. It says that Nintendo Land won't have online play. It's already been confirmed that Wii U will have online play, using a streamlined version of the Wii's system (yes, that means Friend Codes, but Nintendo swears to Aquabuddha they'll be easier to use this time around).
 
2012-09-17 09:49:35 AM

sidcart42: Gavin/Yoda: Multiple gamepads (tablets) are supported by the hardware. As of yet, not by the software.

And from what I've read, Nintendo is looking to minimize that potential until well after launch. At which point the hardware price can come down to alevel where only 70% of people online will biatch about having to buy another one.


Check, thanks for the clarity. Much appreciated!
 
2012-09-17 09:50:54 AM

jayhawk88: So why do I want to put myself through this meat grinder if there's not going to be a payoff at the end?


I reached pretty much the same decision. But I was one of those assholes who had shiat on lockdown. And after a few months of that I realized, well, jeez. What's the point? It's fun yeah but there's no payoff unless I want to put in 12 hours a day to get as good as the REALLY good assholes who go to competitions. And chicks are only slightly impressed when they see you killing everyone. Some chicks hate you more for it cause "omg that's sooo violent!". And the ones who are into the killing are not the competitive-type. I had a gamer lady who was interested in me but then got SUPER pissed because she didn't like that I was better than her at the game. No farking point.
 
2012-09-17 09:53:34 AM
Something I think we can all agree on as of midnight tonight is that no one gives a shiat about Nintendo anyhow because it doesn't support Borderlands II.
 
2012-09-17 09:54:31 AM

sirgrim: Since I met someone and have actually been playing with boobies, I think I'll skip this generation. Have fun.


You came in to this thread to pull the "Look guys, I HAVE A GIRLFRIEND WITH BOOBS AND EVERYTHING". Think about that.
 
2012-09-17 10:04:05 AM
I am tempted to purchase a Wii U console at or near launch only because the likelihood of being able to modify the console for homebrew purposes decreases with newer revisions of the hardware and the firmware.
 
2012-09-17 10:06:01 AM
 
2012-09-17 10:06:11 AM
I see the "you can only be competent at a video game if you invest 25 hours a week in it" fallacy is in full force in this thread.
 
2012-09-17 10:09:22 AM
This system is gonna sell like haggis in Paris.
 
2012-09-17 10:10:58 AM

Jim_Callahan: Something I think we can all agree on as of midnight tonight is that no one gives a shiat about Nintendo anyhow because it doesn't support Borderlands II.


Is it better than the first? Original always sort of bored me.

/just put Dark Souls back in this weekend...holy sh*t the griefing community has gotten out of hand in this game...
 
2012-09-17 10:13:04 AM

Mike_LowELL: I see the "you can only be competent at a video game if you invest 25 hours a week in it" fallacy is in full force in this thread.


Well you know we aren't all born with natural video game skills and an 11 inch cock *eyeroll*
 
2012-09-17 10:17:05 AM
I hope this thing bombs horribly, for the simple reason I want nintendo to become a software company. I'm not buying their crappy systems for the handful of games I want to play.
 
2012-09-17 10:18:24 AM

Dimensio: modify the console for homebrew purposes


I never got in to homebrew. Are there really developers writing games for an audience that small, as opposed to writing for the PC they need to write the game?

I mean, I can understand wanting to write homebrew for the DS or iphone, but for a console?
 
2012-09-17 10:18:36 AM
You could write for Fox News, subtard
 
2012-09-17 10:23:47 AM

loser0: Dimensio: modify the console for homebrew purposes

I never got in to homebrew. Are there really developers writing games for an audience that small, as opposed to writing for the PC they need to write the game?

I mean, I can understand wanting to write homebrew for the DS or iphone, but for a console?


I employ "homebrew" applications for running old console emulators (because I refuse to re-purchase already owned games on the "Virtual Console"), SCUMMVM and USB Loader GX (used because running games off of hard drive rather than the original disc nearly entirely eliminates load times). I have not investigated other uses, though an extensive list is available.
 
2012-09-17 10:29:32 AM
The insecurities in this thread are amazing.
 
2012-09-17 10:33:27 AM
I hope it comes with a free cat.
 
2012-09-17 11:08:35 AM

wyltoknow: jayhawk88: So why do I want to put myself through this meat grinder if there's not going to be a payoff at the end?

I reached pretty much the same decision. But I was one of those assholes who had shiat on lockdown. And after a few months of that I realized, well, jeez. What's the point? It's fun yeah but there's no payoff unless I want to put in 12 hours a day to get as good as the REALLY good assholes who go to competitions. And chicks are only slightly impressed when they see you killing everyone. Some chicks hate you more for it cause "omg that's sooo violent!". And the ones who are into the killing are not the competitive-type. I had a gamer lady who was interested in me but then got SUPER pissed because she didn't like that I was better than her at the game. No farking point.


I have the opposite problem, I hate playing BF BC2 with my girlfriend cause she always mops the floor in online and when we play lol
 
2012-09-17 11:18:53 AM

moistD: misleading headline is misleading. It is only the game NintendoLand that won't have online play....


Yeah, really. I came here to unleash some serious rage on the headline. No way Nintendo is insane enough to not have any online multiplayer for a new console in 2012.
 
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