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(NewsOK)   Oklahoma judge (and former term-limited legislator) rules those who have had sex-change operations can't change their names because it is "fraud." He bases this on "science" citing the peer-review journal Genesis   (newsok.com) divider line 102
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2012-09-17 12:47:02 AM  
No sex change will circumvent this guy from being a total dick.
 
2012-09-17 01:02:03 AM  
I wish they'd stop calling them "sex change" operations.

Clowfish, and many other animals, can go from one breeding gender to another. They can actually change their sex. Humans can pop hormones and get very expensive plastic surgery on their gonads to simulate such a process, but it's the difference between a bird that can fly under its own power and a penguin strapped to some weather balloon.

We have to unlock the secrets of true gender swapping as well as regeneration or we're destined to remain hairless apes without hope in the event of nerve damage.

/No I'm not just waiting to slip some "Swapperin" into my buddy's drink and laugh when he wakes up after the party as a girl.
//Although if they did have such a pill, imagine the pranks you could pull.
 
2012-09-17 02:02:05 AM  

doglover:
//Although if they did have such a pill, imagine the pranks you could pull.


If there was such a pill, and assuming there was one to reverse the process, I would find it fascinating to spend time as a woman.
 
2012-09-17 02:49:32 AM  
Y'know, just cuz you think it's icky doesn't seem to be a compelling legal reason to deny a name change. Quoting scripture doesn't make it any more legal.
 
2012-09-17 02:53:38 AM  

doglover: I wish they'd stop calling them "sex change" operations.


They are typically referred to as "Gender reassignment procedures", a term encapsulating the spectrum between hormone replacement and surgery.
 
2012-09-17 02:59:25 AM  
"A so-called sex-change surgery can make one appear to be the opposite sex, but in fact they are nothing more than an imitation of the opposite sex," the judge wrote in a seven-page order last year.

It is my belief that this kind of bullshiat attitude is born of pure sexual insecurity. These assholes cannot STAND the idea that someone, born a man, doesn't want to be one anymore. Transgendered men are seen as apostates.

On the other side of the coin, people born women who want to be men are attacked because, by golly, maleness is SPECIAL! We're not going to humor you and PRETEND you've been part of the better gender from birth.

In conclusion fark all haters
 
2012-09-17 03:23:17 AM  
By that logic, it isn't right for people in witness protection to change their names, either. It's fraud, or some bullshiat.
 
2012-09-17 03:31:53 AM  
I just can't find a reason to give a solitary fark about what this person wants to do or be called as a name or pronoun. None.
 
2012-09-17 03:39:10 AM  

kingoomieiii: Transgendered men are seen as apostates.


They're quitters. You want a vagina? Maybe I wanted a pony when I was growing up. I didn't get one, son. It made me a better man, god damnit. I didn't get that pony so I worked hard to earn the money for it. Now I'm a judge and I have a dominatrix named Trixie who makes me pull her around in a little wagon three times a week wearing a horse mask and a tail bu- but I digress. You don't have a vagina, but work hard, vote republican, and you too can find a nice bottle blonde bimbo to let you play with hers till you're sick of the thing. Now if you'll excuse me I've got some minorities to oppress and a wagon to pull later.

Sincerely,
Judge Jackass.
 
2012-09-17 03:52:45 AM  
"To grant a name change in this case would be to assist that which is fraudulent," Graves wrote. "It is notable that Genesis 1:27-28 states: 'So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth ...' The DNA code shows God meant for them to stay male and female."

Good thing they are on top of that "using Sharia Law" stuff in OK. Wouldn't want someone using scripture to decide law!
 
2012-09-17 04:52:33 AM  
A law grad from Liberty University?
 
2012-09-17 04:54:21 AM  
I try to be a peaceful man, but I would love to hear this guy got his ass kicked.
 
2012-09-17 04:55:21 AM  

doglover: I wish they'd stop calling them "sex change" operations.

Clowfish, and many other animals, can go from one breeding gender to another. They can actually change their sex. Humans can pop hormones and get very expensive plastic surgery on their gonads to simulate such a process, but it's the difference between a bird that can fly under its own power and a penguin strapped to some weather balloon.

We have to unlock the secrets of true gender swapping as well as regeneration or we're destined to remain hairless apes without hope in the event of nerve damage.

/No I'm not just waiting to slip some "Swapperin" into my buddy's drink and laugh when he wakes up after the party as a girl.
//Although if they did have such a pill, imagine the pranks you could pull.


SEX CHANGE. as in TIRED oF HAVING "SEX" WITH PEOPLE OF THE OPPOSITE GENDER? HERE TAKE A "SEX" CHANGE, and soon you'll be farking men.
 
2012-09-17 04:56:13 AM  

kingoomieiii: "A so-called sex-change surgery can make one appear to be the opposite sex, but in fact they are nothing more than an imitation of the opposite sex," the judge wrote in a seven-page order last year.

It is my belief that this kind of bullshiat attitude is born of pure sexual insecurity. These assholes cannot STAND the idea that someone, born a man, doesn't want to be one anymore. Transgendered men are seen as apostates.

On the other side of the coin, people born women who want to be men are attacked because, by golly, maleness is SPECIAL! We're not going to humor you and PRETEND you've been part of the better gender from birth.

In conclusion fark all haters


You can't change your gender (with current medical technology). You can change your appearance to mimic another gender but that is about it.

However, it a guy decides to change his name to Mary for some reason who the hell cares?
 
2012-09-17 05:00:33 AM  

vartian: doglover:
//Although if they did have such a pill, imagine the pranks you could pull.

If there was such a pill, and assuming there was one to reverse the process, I would find it fascinating to spend time as a woman.


Couple that with time travel and then you can go fark yourself.
 
2012-09-17 05:02:21 AM  
How hard is it for this dick to have the cases of this kind sent to another judge if he is biased against them for personal reasons.
 
2012-09-17 05:02:26 AM  

mediablitz: Good thing they are on top of that "using Sharia Law" stuff in OK. Wouldn't want someone using scripture to decide law!


Arguably quoting Genesis in a ruling is an application of Sharia Law; the Qur'an and the Bible differ very little in their telling of this story.

I'd pay to see someone make that argument in an OK appeal to a case with a biblical reference
 
2012-09-17 05:02:50 AM  
Wouldn't citing religious texts be an automatic "win" for any appeal?

It'd also be interesting, as a case study in stupidity, to know exactly what he thinks someone's name is going to do with reference to same-sex marriages. If your name is "Steve", you're fine, but if it's "Angela" you're screwed?

I guess if you're forced to get this judge, and he's going to be a dick, you could always go with a unisex name and bypass things. Not that you should have to.
 
2012-09-17 05:03:51 AM  
Iran would reject that state as being to religiously paranoid.
 
2012-09-17 05:05:30 AM  
A boy named "Sue" wanted for questioning by investigators working on a serial-fraud case.
 
2012-09-17 05:07:15 AM  

profplump: mediablitz: Good thing they are on top of that "using Sharia Law" stuff in OK. Wouldn't want someone using scripture to decide law!

Arguably quoting Genesis in a ruling is an application of Sharia Law; the Qur'an and the Bible differ very little in their telling of this story.

I'd pay to see someone make that argument in an OK appeal to a case with a biblical reference


When he created Eve, God turned male genetic material into a female human without altering "her" DNA, thus showing God explicitly condones gender reassignment.
 
2012-09-17 05:08:33 AM  

Public Savant: vartian: doglover:
//Although if they did have such a pill, imagine the pranks you could pull.

If there was such a pill, and assuming there was one to reverse the process, I would find it fascinating to spend time as a woman.

Couple that with time travel and then you can go fark yourself.


upload.wikimedia.org
The Man Who Folded Himself - David Gerrold (1973)
 
2012-09-17 05:08:48 AM  
Christie Ann? I would have denied the name change too and told her to pick something more creative like Shawanda Lasercannon or X'tiri Tuwǂani*.

/just kidding.
//judge is a jerk.

* ǂ = click
 
2012-09-17 05:10:42 AM  
i1048.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-17 05:14:40 AM  

PonceAlyosha: When he created Eve, God turned male genetic material into a female human without altering "her" DNA, thus showing God explicitly condones gender reassignment.


Exactly. And clearly anyone with XXY coding is committing fraud no matter what their name is, as their DNA doesn't sufficiently identify them as male or female. Or maybe their parents are committing fraud by choosing a gender-specific name? Or maybe their parents are committing fraud by creating a zygote without a clear gender.

I really wish the bible provided more specific guidance on this; as it stands I fear we may have to burn anyone with non-typical gender-related chromosomes as a witch. And maybe their parents too, for creating such devil spawn. Or at least the mother; presumably she was Satan-raped and the father had nothing to do with it.
 
2012-09-17 05:15:40 AM  

JerkyMeat: [i1048.photobucket.com image 420x300]


does look nicer than:

www.rush2112.com 

eee gad
 
2012-09-17 05:22:32 AM  
Let's change the names in this story from Oklahoma to Tehran and Bill Graves to Muhammad al Mahmoud and Genesis to Quran and see all the derps start shouting EHRMAGHERD SHARIA IS TEH SUXXORZ!!!!
 
2012-09-17 05:23:28 AM  

grimlock1972: How hard is it for this dick to have the cases of this kind sent to another judge if he is biased against them for personal reasons.


Well, what good is bias if you can't use it as a club to beat people over the head with?
 
2012-09-17 05:41:28 AM  
"Fraud," eh? Did something embarrassing happen to this judge last Saturday night?
 
2012-09-17 05:44:21 AM  
Relax, folks. this won't make it past the first appeal.
 
2012-09-17 05:52:55 AM  
Was the "scary" tag in hiding?
 
2012-09-17 05:57:31 AM  
who cares.........

/what a coont
//the "judge"
 
2012-09-17 06:05:01 AM  

thamike: "Fraud," eh? Did something embarrassing happen to this judge last Saturday night?


Kim is a girl's name damnit!!
 
2012-09-17 06:32:04 AM  
Let's remove him.
 
2012-09-17 06:36:55 AM  
So change it to Leslie.
 
2012-09-17 06:39:54 AM  

Bontesla: Let's remove him.


So you're saying get rid the dick :)
 
2012-09-17 06:48:55 AM  
Oh, Oklahoma. Jealous of Florida's tag, are we?
 
2012-09-17 07:06:22 AM  
"He wrote it also could hinder crime investigations - causing police officers searching for a male based on DNA evidence to ignore a potential suspect the officers believed was female."

So a right-wing GOP wing-nut is ruling/legislating against a rare crime/circumstance that might happen.

Like voters impersonation.

As Letterman said, there's no "OFF" position on the "Genius Switch".
 
2012-09-17 07:19:39 AM  
I wonder what this judge would do if they wanted to change their names to Pat?
 
2012-09-17 07:51:05 AM  
So legally I can change my name from Bob to Tom as both are masculine names but if I want Sally suddenly it is a fraud. What if my parents named me Sue (a boy named Sue) would that be a fraud also?
 
2012-09-17 07:55:24 AM  

Cheron: So legally I can change my name from Bob to Tom as both are masculine names but if I want Sally suddenly it is a fraud. What if my parents named me Sue (a boy named Sue) would that be a fraud also?


No, that would be a copyright violation.
 
2012-09-17 08:04:53 AM  
Reads headline...hahaha! Reads article...he actually did site genesis, sonofabiatch!
 
2012-09-17 08:07:16 AM  

Arumat: A boy named "Sue" wanted for questioning by investigators working on a serial-fraud case.


That is a tragic tale of the horror that accompany single parent households. It leads to violence, gambling, and alcoholism. All the more reason to make divorce criminal.

/sarcasm
 
2012-09-17 08:07:40 AM  

propasaurus: Y'know, just cuz you think it's icky doesn't seem to be a compelling legal reason to deny a name change. Quoting scripture doesn't make it any more legal.


I'm pretty sure quoting scripture makes it LESS legal. Judges are supposed to be impartial, not clearly religiously biased.
 
2012-09-17 08:09:30 AM  

jso2897: Relax, folks. this won't make it past the first appeal.


yes, but if the judge stays on the bench we will have to waste more time appealing every single one of his god awful rulings.
 
2012-09-17 08:15:49 AM  

RoyBatty: Public Savant: vartian: doglover:
//Although if they did have such a pill, imagine the pranks you could pull.

If there was such a pill, and assuming there was one to reverse the process, I would find it fascinating to spend time as a woman.

Couple that with time travel and then you can go fark yourself.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 190x283]
The Man Who Folded Himself - David Gerrold (1973)


I see your folded man (a good read) and raise you up, -All You Zombies- .
 
2012-09-17 08:25:39 AM  
This is why we can't have nice things here in Oklahoma, sheesh.
I don't know if it would work or not, but if they were to drive up the turnpike to Tulsa and establish residence there for thirty days they could file for the name change in Tulsa county, albeit it is still Oklahoma, T-town is a bit more on the liberal side than OKC. That would probably be the best choice next to leaving the state and getting it done in a more liberal state, or as okies call them, "satanic, heathens"
I love how the voters overwhelmingly approved the ban on sharia law a few years back but can't see how this is exactly the same.
 
2012-09-17 08:32:03 AM  

jimmyjackfunk: I love how the voters overwhelmingly approved the ban on sharia law a few years back but can't see how this is exactly the same.


To them, it is not the same - that is your issue right there. One involves their lovely Jesus, the other involves "them dirty, towel head, camel jockeys who pray to a child molesting polygamist - that the current President of the United States may or may not believe in too." One is the real truth inspired by the very word of God, the other is false documentation and a false God. Need I go on?
 
2012-09-17 08:33:42 AM  
Religion really farks people up, man.
 
2012-09-17 08:39:18 AM  

doglover: I wish they'd stop calling them "sex change" operations.

Clowfish, and many other animals, can go from one breeding gender to another. They can actually change their sex. Humans can pop hormones and get very expensive plastic surgery on their gonads to simulate such a process, but it's the difference between a bird that can fly under its own power and a penguin strapped to some weather balloon.


How is that relevant to the conversation? The mechanism for gender assignment in those animals are very much different than in humans for one thing they did not evolve sex chromosomes. The environment often determines gender in those taxa.

That being said, Graves in not involved in this thing called reality. He represented the district now represented by Sally Kern and is cut from the same cloth. He tried to get blatantly unconstitutional anti-evolution bills though the legislature.

Of course he has not compassion for or willingness to learn about the reality that nature sometimes does a bad job at gender assignment. Sometimes people are of one gender for most characteristics and the other for others. Some who want such procedures are victims of a nasty one: developing the obvious physical characteristics of one gender and yet developing the mental gender identity of the other. Our gender identity is more than seeing that we are male (or female) and then adopting the cultural roles of our gender. These sort of biological mistakes are possible because we all have all the genes for making both sexes. The X chromosome has a signal that says "develop as a male." But that process can go wrong.
 
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