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(ESPN)   Tampa Bay knocks down Eli Manning as he takes a knee on the last play. Cheap shot or "clean, hard football until they tell us the game's over?"   (espn.go.com) divider line 449
    More: Interesting, Greg Schiano, Eli Manning, Tampa Bay, Giants, Tom Coughlin, David Diehl, franchise quarterback, Rutgers  
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2012-09-17 08:18:01 AM
In the NFL, it's a cheap shot. The games over, man, deal.
 
2012-09-17 08:38:11 AM
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2012-09-17 08:49:16 AM
It's a cheap shot.

/hate the Giants
 
2012-09-17 08:50:54 AM
I'm gonna go with "Media fodder with a 2 week lifespan".
 
2012-09-17 08:52:00 AM
Cheap shot.

/Packers fan
 
2012-09-17 08:52:26 AM
Cheap shot. The "WE'S KEEPS ON FIGHTIN" thing just makes him sound like a douche. He wasn't fighting for anything. You lost, let the guy take his knee and move on.

Plus there's millions of dollars worth of product on the field. Breaking accepted convention like that can lead to an injury.
 
2012-09-17 08:53:31 AM
If you want to see a clear cut cheap shot from yesterday, check out D'Qwell Jackson, of the Cleveland Browns' act.

/should be suspended
 
2012-09-17 08:57:21 AM
miracle at the meadowlands anybody?
 
2012-09-17 09:00:17 AM
Depends on the score. Down by seven or less? Bring the house. You're always one careless turnover away from a chance to win (or a chance to agonizingly choke if you're the Patriots). Down by more than a score. Sit back and take your loss like a man.
 
2012-09-17 09:01:10 AM
The next time that the Giants and Bucs are playing, and the Giants are going to knee it to ice the game, they should fake knee it and throw a TD.
 
2012-09-17 09:02:06 AM
Kneel from the shotgun formation or come prepared to play balls out for all 60 minutes, pussy boy
 
2012-09-17 09:02:21 AM

HotWingConspiracy: The "WE'S KEEPS ON FIGHTIN" thing just makes him sound like a douche.


It's easy to say "we fight until they tell us game over" when it's not your health on the line. That's the worst part -- it's just as likely that one of his guys would have broke something trying to jump over the line.

Makes you wonder about Eric LeGrand.
 
2012-09-17 09:05:11 AM

stevie1der: Depends on the score. Down by seven or less? Bring the house. You're always one careless turnover away from a chance to win (or a chance to agonizingly choke if you're the Patriots). Down by more than a score. Sit back and take your loss like a man.


agreed.
 
2012-09-17 09:06:07 AM

stevie1der: Depends on the score. Down by seven or less? Bring the house. You're always one careless turnover away from a chance to win (or a chance to agonizingly choke if you're the Patriots). Down by more than a score. Sit back and take your loss like a man.


This. Not a fan of "play until the whistle unless the other team just wants to end the game with a win." Like the QB-center exchange never gets fumbled.

Since the linked video shows nothing about the play...did he kneel it right away, at least? I really hate when QBs are kneeling but they stand around and wait to kneel (even when kneeling right away would still end the game).
 
2012-09-17 09:13:07 AM

IAmRight: Since the linked video shows nothing about the play...did he kneel it right away, at least? I really hate when QBs are kneeling but they stand around and wait to kneel (even when kneeling right away would still end the game).


Going from memory, he kneeled once he got the ball. The hit came after he had gotten to the ground and wasn't at all in a way of trying to recover a bad snap. Yes, game was within a score. Hell no, not playing hard and til the whistle and more like playing like s whiny loser.

/also pack fan who thought it was cheap
 
2012-09-17 09:15:36 AM
www.fanlistings.org
Never stop, never stop fighting till the fight is done.
 
2012-09-17 09:19:33 AM
As long as there is a scenario where the Bucs could have eeked out a win, then it's game on. If there was no hope, then it's a cheap shot.
 
2012-09-17 09:19:40 AM

basemetal: In the NFL, it's a cheap shot. The games over, man, deal.


If the game is over why are they still keeping time. Don't like playing to the end, or a full contact sport, play golf.
 
2012-09-17 09:21:47 AM
So we don't actually get to see the play, just hear some semi literate troglodytes whining about it. Thanks for that.
 
2012-09-17 09:22:45 AM
And of course the former players on ESPN this morning are trying to defend Schiano's decision. Just admit that the Bucs were trying to get under the Giants skin. It may have worked, but it's still a dick move.
 
2012-09-17 09:23:32 AM
if this was Tampa taking a knee and the giants rushed like that and say Freeman got hurt you think he would have been giving the same speech about playing hard until the final whistle? No he would would be calling the Giants out for a cheap shot. I have been watching football for a long long time and i cant recall ever seeing that in the NFL.
 
2012-09-17 09:25:45 AM
Maybe put in the third stringer QB in for the kneel down?
 
2012-09-17 09:25:47 AM
 
2012-09-17 09:27:29 AM

thecpt: Found it


Thanks!

Now quit crying NY fans. That was absolutely nothing.
 
2012-09-17 09:27:43 AM
Who knows what can happen in the last seconds of a game?

Miracle at the Meadowlands
 
2012-09-17 09:28:39 AM

Crewmannumber6: So we don't actually get to see the play, just hear some semi literate troglodytes whining about it. Thanks for that.


The video of the play in question is in the link, you just have to sit through a commercial, a pause, players giving their opinions, a pause, and then finally the play.
 
2012-09-17 09:28:55 AM

AdamK: miracle at the meadowlands anybody?


on the QB taking a knee? are you high?
 
2012-09-17 09:29:02 AM

Lost Thought 00: Kneel from the shotgun formation or come prepared to play balls out for all 60 minutes, pussy boy


And everyone knows Eli is a whiny pussy. Fark him.
 
2012-09-17 09:31:11 AM

bgddy24601: [www.fanlistings.org image 262x365]
Never stop, never stop fighting till the fight is done.


You're nothing but a lot of talk and a badge!
 
2012-09-17 09:31:41 AM

ogie666: if this was Tampa taking a knee and the giants rushed like that and say Freeman got hurt you think he would have been giving the same speech about playing hard until the final whistle? No he would would be calling the Giants out for a cheap shot. I have been watching football for a long long time and i cant recall ever seeing that in the NFL.


it has been done a few times if I recall correctly.

The Giants are just upset and fanning the "cheap shot flames" because had it worked it would be known as Miracle in the Meadowlands II.


Had there been 1 second left and the Giants had to kickoff following a score would they blame Tampa for trying playing hard and trying to run back the kickoff instead of taking a knee and ending the game knowing the odds of returning the kick for a score are slim.

baseball players play hard until the last out, basketball plays until the final second if there is any chance of winning/tying the game same in hockey/soccer so why not in football.
 
2012-09-17 09:31:50 AM

ManateeGag: AdamK: miracle at the meadowlands anybody?

on the QB taking a knee? are you high?


The burst by the line is to interupt the center qb exchange. You've never seen that happen with Eli? Tampa should have hired Joe Nash as a special defensive consultant if they wanted to go that route though.
 
2012-09-17 09:32:00 AM

Lost Thought 00: Kneel from the shotgun formation or come prepared to play balls out for all 60 minutes, pussy boy


and if JPP or Tuck did that to your QB, you'd be crying like a little biatch.
 
2012-09-17 09:33:26 AM

thecpt: Found it


Um, he didn't look like he'd taken the knee - looked like they tried to get a push to cause a fumble on the exchange and Eli fell down and went boom. Wouldn't even be talked about if it weren't Eli and the Giants.

Besides, as I said earlier, no one should have to give an excuse for trying to hit Eli Manning. They should be required to give them for missing.
 
2012-09-17 09:34:43 AM
They were down by 7 and were attempting to cause a fumble. He pulled the same thing at the college level. The NYG are just farking crying because they weren't man enough to play a full 60 minutes instead of 59 and change. This is football.
 
2012-09-17 09:35:41 AM

ManateeGag: and if JPP or Tuck did that to your QB, you'd be crying like a little biatch.


Since they're defensive ends and no defensive end touched him (in fact, I don't think any Buc did - they just pushed the linemen into Manning), the other person would probably have more of a point than the Giants do.
 
2012-09-17 09:39:24 AM
Kind of bush-league, but having read the comments before watching the play, I was expecting much worse.
 
2012-09-17 09:39:45 AM

ManateeGag: and if JPP or Tuck did that to your QB, you'd be crying like a little biatch.


This is easily the best point. Five seconds left and its a long enough season. I don't want to see my quarterback roll his ankle on this pointless play.
 
2012-09-17 09:40:02 AM
biatch move is biatch move.

/there is apparently no video of it on the internet btw
 
2012-09-17 09:40:08 AM

Waldo Pepper: so why not in football.


because it puts a target on your players, especially the QB. if TB gets played extra hard one week by a team who needs the win to stay alive, the coach better not start crying if his QB gets hurt because of a percieved "cheap shot"
 
2012-09-17 09:40:14 AM

basemetal: In the NFL, it's a cheap shot. The games over, man, deal.


It was a 1 score game. If it's possible for him to fumble and return it for a TD, then I'm going to give it a go.

These are grown men getting paid well to play a physical game. I'd rather hear less whining.

Hell, looking at the video, that's the weakest knockdown I've ever seen in football. Eli is lucky he didn't get a grass stain.

/Not a Bucs or Giants fan
 
2012-09-17 09:42:25 AM

ManateeGag: Waldo Pepper: so why not in football.

because it puts a target on your players, especially the QB. if TB gets played extra hard one week by a team who needs the win to stay alive, the coach better not start crying if his QB gets hurt because of a percieved "cheap shot"


And that is why you have your backup take victory formation...
 
2012-09-17 09:43:26 AM
What do you know! Eli Manning really DOES drive a Toyota.
 
2012-09-17 09:44:04 AM

Waldo Pepper: ogie666: if this was Tampa taking a knee and the giants rushed like that and say Freeman got hurt you think he would have been giving the same speech about playing hard until the final whistle? No he would would be calling the Giants out for a cheap shot. I have been watching football for a long long time and i cant recall ever seeing that in the NFL.

it has been done a few times if I recall correctly.

The Giants are just upset and fanning the "cheap shot flames" because had it worked it would be known as Miracle in the Meadowlands II.


Had there been 1 second left and the Giants had to kickoff following a score would they blame Tampa for trying playing hard and trying to run back the kickoff instead of taking a knee and ending the game knowing the odds of returning the kick for a score are slim.

baseball players play hard until the last out
, basketball plays until the final second if there is any chance of winning/tying the game same in hockey/soccer so why not in football.


Not a Sox fan I see. If he was kneeling before he got hit, and the guy had time to stop it's dirty. If not, then it's a clean hit.

/Sox fan
//Can we get the real refs back yet?
 
2012-09-17 09:44:15 AM

cettin: And that is why you have your backup take victory formation...


Well the argument there is that your starter is best at taking the snap, but I thought most teams had the shotgun super victory wildcat formation with a hands team guy for plays like that.
 
2012-09-17 09:45:28 AM
If you are gonna just take a knee then why play the play at all? If you are going to run a play prepare to get hit. Did the official throw a late hit flag? No? Then STFU.
 
2012-09-17 09:45:53 AM
I think it has to do with the replacement refs. Schiano was probably betting on the refs not being as quick to blow the whistle, giving his guys a bit more time to make something happen.
 
2012-09-17 09:46:28 AM

The Muthaship: If you want to see a clear cut cheap shot from yesterday, check out D'Qwell Jackson, of the Cleveland Browns' act.

/should be suspended


hey, you got a link for that?

/cheap shot, coughlin was right to be pissed.
 
2012-09-17 09:47:05 AM

Sargun: They were down by 7 and were attempting to cause a fumble. He pulled the same thing at the college level. The NYG are just farking crying because they weren't man enough to play a full 60 minutes instead of 59 and change. This is football.


Man enough to come back and win the game, though. It is football, a football game won by the Giants (in pretty spectacular fashion), so I'm not sure questioning their manhood is really an effective tactic.

I don't blame the Bucs for trying this, they were a fumbled exchange away from having a chance to win. The Giants should have just run a play, even if it was just Eli taking the snap and running back before kneeling.

Now if Tampa was down by more than a TD, i.e. a fumbled snap would do them no good, it's a pretty cheap play. Here though it is just a violation of etiquette and unwritten rules, which really makes for media fodder more than anything else.
 
2012-09-17 09:47:26 AM

ManateeGag: Lost Thought 00: Kneel from the shotgun formation or come prepared to play balls out for all 60 minutes, pussy boy

and if JPP or Tuck did that to your QB, you'd be crying like a little biatch.


ManateeGag: Waldo Pepper: so why not in football.

because it puts a target on your players, especially the QB. if TB gets played extra hard one week by a team who needs the win to stay alive, the coach better not start crying if his QB gets hurt because of a percieved "cheap shot"


Your "arguments" involve a hell of a lot of conjecture. Want to try again?
 
2012-09-17 09:47:27 AM

Tickle Mittens: basemetal: In the NFL, it's a cheap shot. The games over, man, deal.

If the game is over why are they still keeping time. Don't like playing to the end, or a full contact sport, play golf.


Basically this.
 
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